Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 1)

[Spider-Vice]

We won't know until the game releases, but yes, Rockstar is infamous for scripting trailers (and leaving the script files in the game sometimes!). However, we'll see what the extra processing power in next-gen consoles can do. Let's remember that V was basically a last-gen port.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Spider-Vice

[eyman]

It's just a heads up. At the end of the day, who doesn't want RDR2 to look great?.

[Playboi]

The graphics in RDR3 simply look more like a +1 in GTA 5 NG, with the lighting effects and shading of RDR2. What's more unbelievable is the environmental stuff. How the NPCs seem to go about their business and make it look like a real small trading outpost/town. That stuff had to be pre-planned, all placed there to make it look nicer. No way there's that much ambiance going on in the game proper.

What do you mean by pre-planned? So you're saying that the town we see in trailer with all those NPCs wandering around won't be in the final game? That doesn't make any sense, that scene is the most common one in the trailer, there is no such thing as too much ambiance, RDR1 had those same type of towns with NPC's doing whatever they pleased, towns are actually the least demanding part to render, they have nearly no foliage

Edited April 17, 2017 by SenseiAboobz

[J.Dillinger Blackheart]

 

The graphics in RDR3 simply look more like a +1 in GTA 5 NG, with the lighting effects and shading of RDR2. What's more unbelievable is the environmental stuff. How the NPCs seem to go about their business and make it look like a real small trading outpost/town. That stuff had to be pre-planned, all placed there to make it look nicer. No way there's that much ambiance going on in the game proper.

What do you mean by pre-planned? So you're saying that the town we see in trailer with all those NPCs wandering around won't be in the final game? That doesn't make any sense, that scene is the most common one in the trailer, there is no such thing as too much ambiance, RDR1 had those same type of towns with NPC's doing whatever they please, towns are actually the least demanding part to render, they have nearly no foliage R* isn't EA or 1 of these half ass devs that will say "in game engine footage" then u see the final gameplay your like WTF. That was a honest trailer if u ask me.

[DGSimo]

 

The graphics in RDR3 simply look more like a +1 in GTA 5 NG, with the lighting effects and shading of RDR2. What's more unbelievable is the environmental stuff. How the NPCs seem to go about their business and make it look like a real small trading outpost/town. That stuff had to be pre-planned, all placed there to make it look nicer. No way there's that much ambiance going on in the game proper.

What do you mean by pre-planned? So you're saying that the town we see in trailer with all those NPCs wandering around won't be in the final game? That doesn't make any sense, that scene is the most common one in the trailer, there is no such thing as too much ambiance, RDR1 had those same type of towns with NPC's doing whatever they please, towns are actually the least demanding part to render, they have nearly no foliageThey mean "scripted", as in they programmed the NPCs to behave in a very specific manner or action specifically for capturing footage for the trailer is all.

 

Obviously the final game will have its own AI and ambience but time constraints aren't going to let the video capture director sit there waiting for that specific moment(s) to happen that you see in the trailer at random so it's scripted instead to happen.

 

It's kind of a moot point though as we saw 7 years ago in RDR townsfolk and NPCs going about their business or loitering around buildings. The high fidelity of the visuals, physics and weight to what we see thanks to the new iteration of RAGE and Euphoria just makes it all look more real than before.

 

R* isn't EA or 1 of these half ass devs that will say "in game engine footage" then u see the final gameplay your like WTF. That was a honest trailer if u ask me.

Lol that's a bit of a contradictory statement given the same could be said for the RDR2 trailer which was just a in-game engine footage with no gameplay slice.

 

Edit: If you guys want something to look forward to, the new issue of Edge magazine should surface either later this week or the next.

Edited April 17, 2017 by DGSimo

[HandSoap2811]

Having fun matter! Not graphics

[J.Dillinger Blackheart]

 

 

The graphics in RDR3 simply look more like a +1 in GTA 5 NG, with the lighting effects and shading of RDR2. What's more unbelievable is the environmental stuff. How the NPCs seem to go about their business and make it look like a real small trading outpost/town. That stuff had to be pre-planned, all placed there to make it look nicer. No way there's that much ambiance going on in the game proper.

What do you mean by pre-planned? So you're saying that the town we see in trailer with all those NPCs wandering around won't be in the final game? That doesn't make any sense, that scene is the most common one in the trailer, there is no such thing as too much ambiance, RDR1 had those same type of towns with NPC's doing whatever they please, towns are actually the least demanding part to render, they have nearly no foliage

They mean "scripted", as in they programmed the NPCs to behave in a very specific manner or action specifically for capturing footage for the trailer is all.

 

Obviously the final game will have its own AI and ambience but time constraints aren't going to let the video capture director sit there waiting for that specific moment(s) to happen that you see in the trailer at random so it's scripted instead to happen.

 

It's kind of a moot point though as we saw 7 years ago in RDR townsfolk and NPCs going about their business or loitering around buildings. The high fidelity of the visuals, physics and weight to what we see thanks to the new iteration of RAGE and Euphoria just makes it all look more real than before.

 

R* isn't EA or 1 of these half ass devs that will say "in game engine footage" then u see the final gameplay your like WTF. That was a honest trailer if u ask me.

Lol that's a bit of a contradictory statement given the same could be said for the RDR2 trailer which was just a in-game engine footage with no gameplay slice.

 

Edit: If you guys want something to look forward to, the new issue of Edge magazine should surface either later this week or the next.

lol Hold up, No gameplay slice? So the part where the Npc or whoever is walking with the horse isn't gameplay? That's a cutscene? Look at the BF2 trailer, "in game footage" is complete bs is what I mean.

[eastriver]

The graphics in RDR2 are very similar to those of V PC's on maximum settings (and even V NG consoles). They're not unbelievable at all, not to mention a new RAGE version would obviously have better shaders and stuff.

Yeaaapp...

 

What probably pops out to people is the really good art direction.

[Forek]

lol Hold up, No gameplay slice? So the part where the Npc or whoever is walking with the horse isn't gameplay? That's a cutscene? Look at the BF2 trailer, "in game footage" is complete bs is what I mean.

 

 

That's not gameplay, its just scripted scene.

Edited April 17, 2017 by ForegPL

[saintsrow]

 

 

 

The graphics in RDR3 simply look more like a +1 in GTA 5 NG, with the lighting effects and shading of RDR2. What's more unbelievable is the environmental stuff. How the NPCs seem to go about their business and make it look like a real small trading outpost/town. That stuff had to be pre-planned, all placed there to make it look nicer. No way there's that much ambiance going on in the game proper.

What do you mean by pre-planned? So you're saying that the town we see in trailer with all those NPCs wandering around won't be in the final game? That doesn't make any sense, that scene is the most common one in the trailer, there is no such thing as too much ambiance, RDR1 had those same type of towns with NPC's doing whatever they please, towns are actually the least demanding part to render, they have nearly no foliage

They mean "scripted", as in they programmed the NPCs to behave in a very specific manner or action specifically for capturing footage for the trailer is all.

 

Obviously the final game will have its own AI and ambience but time constraints aren't going to let the video capture director sit there waiting for that specific moment(s) to happen that you see in the trailer at random so it's scripted instead to happen.

 

It's kind of a moot point though as we saw 7 years ago in RDR townsfolk and NPCs going about their business or loitering around buildings. The high fidelity of the visuals, physics and weight to what we see thanks to the new iteration of RAGE and Euphoria just makes it all look more real than before.

 

R* isn't EA or 1 of these half ass devs that will say "in game engine footage" then u see the final gameplay your like WTF. That was a honest trailer if u ask me.

Lol that's a bit of a contradictory statement given the same could be said for the RDR2 trailer which was just a in-game engine footage with no gameplay slice.

 

Edit: If you guys want something to look forward to, the new issue of Edge magazine should surface either later this week or the next.

lol Hold up, No gameplay slice? So the part where the Npc or whoever is walking with the horse isn't gameplay? That's a cutscene? Look at the BF2 trailer, "in game footage" is complete bs is what I mean.

 

 

Rockstar's trailers typically consist of snippets of cutscenes, and sometimes some cinematic footage that couldn't be done by players (until the Editor came along).

 

I just watched the RDR2 teaser again (it still thrills) and I don't see anything in there that looks like actual over-the shoulder third person gameplay. There are two tiny snippets showing the back of a cowboy, but camera looks cinematic, not in-game footage.

 

I think it's dishonest (and completely typical) for game companies to fill their trailers with scripted, directed scenes that, at best, appear in cutscenes, giving viewers a false impression of rich interactions and animations that players do not have access to. These trailers are just a fun cinematic editing exercise for the marketing department.

 

SAD!

 

EDIT: ^ Ninja'd me in post above!

Edited April 17, 2017 by saintsrow

[DisCrafted]

Rockstar not revealing much about the game doesn't mean anything tbh and it certainly doesn't mean that it'll get delayed. This is just how Rockstar's marketing works, i mean people had to wait one YEAR before the second GTA V trailer so that says something.

[SleezerZ]

Remember Kirsty, IP ban that motherf*cker if nothing shows today. We have no time for lazy unoriginal "trolls" who have nothing better to do with their time

While i can understand your reasons, i find it immature of you to use this heavy swearing word towards me. I don't know for what reason i would get banned, as i'm definitely not trolling and having a normal discussion with people here. You might have misunderstood how i expressed myself, i just redirected what someone told me, with no guarantee that it's correct, i even said that it might not be true at all in the comment. I didn't mean to come over as some kind of leaker. Also, nothing better to do with my time? As far as i (and the others too) can see, you're the one keep coming back and being immature towards someone who just shared info in a RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 GENERAL CHAT while the others just went on with their lives and continued their daily discussions what this thread is about.

I'm pretty sure being toxic and swearing is not allowed on this forum.

So i'll just go on and ignore your replies from now on as there are many more mature people on here to talk with and wish everyone here to have nice conversations about upcoming information from Rockstar when i might get banned.

And yes, i am sorry indeed when nothing comes today, i'm just a rdr fan too like anyone else here and get frustrated too about no info when release is just 6 months away.

[bilala21]

 

Remember Kirsty, IP ban that motherf*cker if nothing shows today. We have no time for lazy unoriginal "trolls" who have nothing better to do with their time

While i can understand your reasons, i find it immature of you to use this heavy swearing word towards me. I don't know for what reason i would get banned, as i'm definitely not trolling and having a normal discussion with people here. You might have misunderstood how i expressed myself, i just redirected what someone told me, with no guarantee that it's correct, i even said that it might not be true at all in the comment. I didn't mean to come over as some kind of leaker. Also, nothing better to do with my time? As far as i (and the others too) can see, you're the one keep coming back and being immature towards someone who just shared info in a RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 GENERAL CHAT while the others just went on with their lives and continued their daily discussions what this thread is about.

I'm pretty sure being toxic and swearing is not allowed on this forum.

So i'll just go on and ignore your replies from now on as there are many more mature people on here to talk with and wish everyone here to have nice conversations about upcoming information from Rockstar when i might get banned.

And yes, i am sorry indeed when nothing comes today, i'm just a rdr fan too like anyone else here and get frustrated too about no info when release is just 6 months away.

 

I hope you're right and we get something today, I'm getting fed up!

[SleezerZ]

 

 

Remember Kirsty, IP ban that motherf*cker if nothing shows today. We have no time for lazy unoriginal "trolls" who have nothing better to do with their time

While i can understand your reasons, i find it immature of you to use this heavy swearing word towards me. I don't know for what reason i would get banned, as i'm definitely not trolling and having a normal discussion with people here. You might have misunderstood how i expressed myself, i just redirected what someone told me, with no guarantee that it's correct, i even said that it might not be true at all in the comment. I didn't mean to come over as some kind of leaker. Also, nothing better to do with my time? As far as i (and the others too) can see, you're the one keep coming back and being immature towards someone who just shared info in a RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 GENERAL CHAT while the others just went on with their lives and continued their daily discussions what this thread is about.

I'm pretty sure being toxic and swearing is not allowed on this forum.

So i'll just go on and ignore your replies from now on as there are many more mature people on here to talk with and wish everyone here to have nice conversations about upcoming information from Rockstar when i might get banned.

And yes, i am sorry indeed when nothing comes today, i'm just a rdr fan too like anyone else here and get frustrated too about no info when release is just 6 months away.

 

I hope you're right and we get something today, I'm getting fed up!

 

Me too But it's better to not get that hyped up, afterall the disappointment will be bigger then.

[Spider-Vice]

Usually, info that isn't game announcements and stuff usually comes by 2 PM BST, which has already passed, so... Another week of despair, likely!

Edited April 17, 2017 by Spider-Vice

[kBlaise]

Announcements almost never happen on/around holidays anyway. The likelyhood of anything new popping up in the past couple of days was about 0.004%.

[Rockstar Vienna]

This monday is a holiday for many countries ffs!

[Spider-Vice]

Well, they usually announce based on US holidays because all the marketing comes from New York.

[SleezerZ]

Usually, info that isn't game announcements and stuff usually comes by 2 PM BST, which has already passed, so... Another week of despair, likely!

Rdr2 and its teasers were on 4pm bst/5pm utc. But you're likely right and my next hope is that one guy that said trailer in 9 days which RedDagger mentioned.

[Spider-Vice]

Because that was a game announcement. GTA V was announced at 5 PM, but most subsequent news came at 2 PM, early morning NYC time. Also, let me break this to you but Dagger was just making a point about people believing things easily.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Spider-Vice

[SleezerZ]

Because that was a game announcement. GTA V was announced at 5 PM, but most subsequent news came at 2 PM, early morning NYC time. Also, let me break this to you but Dagger was just making a point about people believing things easily.

Interesting, well he's right about it then and got me with that.

[Rockstar Vienna]

Well, they usually announce based on US holidays because all the marketing comes from New York.

Yes, but it's not about that. Many people around the world (including the UK today if I'm not mistaken) will be busy with other things today. They would most likely miss out on news today. Sure, they teased RDR 2 for the first time on a Sunday too but now we're talking about proper info after 6 months of nothing in form of a trailer (plus release date of course)!? Sry, but why the heck are we still discussing this nonsense? And all this because of this nice gentleman who "doesn't have anything bad in mind, just shares what he was told and just wants do discuss with us." Sorry if that's not the textbook definition of bad trolling, i don't know what it is.

 

Anyway... I'll leave it at that. Won't "discuss" this any further.

[J.Dillinger Blackheart]

It's slow for April, Tomorrow is probably the release of the D.o.D followed by some sales & a new adversary mode will probably fill April up. May could very well be the month for info, But the Gun running update could release early or mid may along with new a adversary mode and that might be it for May idk. But my gut is telling me, Don't expect nothing until June. But im expecting the unexpected, let's see how this goes

[Rockstar Vienna]

It's slow for April, Tomorrow is probably the release of the D.o.D followed by some sales & a new adversary mode will probably fill April up. May could very well be the month for info, But the Gun running update could release early or mid may along with new a adversary mode and that might be it for May idk. But my gut is telling me, Don't expect nothing until June. But im expecting the unexpected, let's see how this goes

Oh man... how many adversary modes are already out there? You'd think people already had enough!?

[SleezerZ]

 

Well, they usually announce based on US holidays because all the marketing comes from New York.

Yes, but it's not about that. Many people around the world (including the UK today if I'm not mistaken) will be busy with other things today. They would most likely miss out on news today. Sure, they teased RDR 2 for the first time on a Sunday too but now we're talking about proper info after 6 months of nothing in form of a trailer (plus release date of course)!? Sry, but why the heck are we still discussing this nonsense? And all this because of this nice gentleman who "doesn't have anything bad in mind, just shares what he was told and just wants do discuss with us." Sorry if that's not the textbook definition of bad trolling, i don't know what it is.

 

Anyway... I'll leave it at that. Won't "discuss" this any further.

 

Now i'm confused, so is this thread not about discussing rdr2?

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

 

 

Well, they usually announce based on US holidays because all the marketing comes from New York.

Yes, but it's not about that. Many people around the world (including the UK today if I'm not mistaken) will be busy with other things today. They would most likely miss out on news today. Sure, they teased RDR 2 for the first time on a Sunday too but now we're talking about proper info after 6 months of nothing in form of a trailer (plus release date of course)!? Sry, but why the heck are we still discussing this nonsense? And all this because of this nice gentleman who "doesn't have anything bad in mind, just shares what he was told and just wants do discuss with us." Sorry if that's not the textbook definition of bad trolling, i don't know what it is.

 

Anyway... I'll leave it at that. Won't "discuss" this any further.

 

Now i'm confused, so is this thread not about discussing rdr2?

 

Yes. It is. Now drop the bullsh*t act and discuss

[eyman]

 

Oh man... how many adversary modes are already out there? You'd think people already had enough!?

 

 

I've noticed people have already had enough. If Adversary modes weren't double RP and GTA$ nobody would touch them.

 

Freeroam is the biggest attraction for GTA Online, now if I worked at R* I would make everything in RD Online Freeroam (no lobbies). Who knows maybe that is what they meant when R* said The game’s vast and atmospheric world will also provide the foundation for a brand new online multiplayer experience.

Edited April 17, 2017 by eyman

[Vespid]

I dont know if this was shared here already but according to this source, Xbox might end up partnering with Rockstar for RDR2 on Scorpio but till now it seemed like it was a Playstation tie up!

http://m.windowscentral.com/forza-motorsport-7-4k-project-scorpio-xbox?_ga=1.226095450.1935949275.1491108855

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

I dont know if this was shared here already but according to this source, Xbox might end up partnering with Rockstar for RDR2 on Scorpio but till now it seemed like it was a Playstation tie up!

http://m.windowscentral.com/forza-motorsport-7-4k-project-scorpio-xbox?_ga=1.226095450.1935949275.1491108855

Thats because it IS a PlayStation partnership. They cant just switch out of the blue

[Spider-Vice]

This has been discussed before and it only means Microsof wants to show off RDR2 on their console too, it basically just confirms it'll probably have a Scorpio release.