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Niobium

least favorite IV protagonist

least favorite protag  

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  1. 1. least favorite protag



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O.J.Simpson

Johnny for betraying my man Ray.

 

Luis has grown on me he's honestly only really a douche to troy, outside of that I quite liked him.

 

 

Niko would annihilate them both though and make them his bitches they would be serving him Vodka on the rocks in maid outfits if Niko wanted them to.

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PhillBellic

Luis is getting really hammered here. As he would say, "Oye. What the fu*k?!"

 

:D

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theNGclan

Luis.

 

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ULPaperContact

Sorry dude.

 

Johnny.

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Michael

I had a hard time choosing between Johnny and Luis because I didn't like them both that much but I guess I'm going for Luis because he reminds me of Franklin. Franklin has always follow orders from someone. He first worked as a repo guy and after that he became Michael De Santa's little slave. And don't forget Lamar who kept crying about him leaving Strawberry.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

I liked them all but...

Johnny will do. Sorry :(

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Dr. Robotnik

vote, i am curious to know who is the least favorite around here.

 

 

sh*tpost

YOU BETTER NOT VOTE JOHNNY OR I'LL BE ANGERY

 

 

 

I'm sorry, man. Nothing personal.

 

You might be wondering why I haven't picked Luis, given that I've repeatedly cited him as the most bland of three IV-era protags. That hasn't changed, but I don't really find him offensive, either; just uninteresting. If nothing else, he does get some funny lines here and there.

 

But Johnny is someone who I genuinely dislike the more I play the DLC. He's short-sighted and hypocritical, and not in a subtle, nuanced way like Niko. For one thing, I can't figure out why he essentially takes Billy's side at first and says "f*ck 'em" when Jim breaks the news that the Chinese have come calling for the heroin. He never wanted it to begin with (partially because he knew it was the last thing Billy needed, and partially because he knew it would attract attention), so why is he so keen to hang on to it all of a sudden? And why do he and Jim think it's such a great idea to try and sell the Chinese their stolen property? Billy setting him up aside (which is a plot point that isn't really introduced until TBoGT regardless), they react exactly how you would expect.

 

But the whole business with Ray and the diamond loot is what really drives me up the wall. Why did Johnny ever think he could get away with ripping him off? Why did even he do it? Because Ray was kind of a dick to him, and he's just that petty? Because he was butthurt that Ray was f*cking a girl he was already trying to cut out of his life? Because he blamed him for Luis showing up to take back the diamonds, even though he was the one who helped steal the diamonds and thus should've had some idea of where they came from and what to expect as a result? Niko, for the most part, seems to understand that being a career criminal means you have to do business with people you hate and who hate you. How Johnny could get to where he is without figuring that out is beyond me.

 

The DLC generally tries to paint Johnny as being in the same position as Niko; a deeply flawed but relatively pragmatic person who mostly just wants to make a living, but gets screwed over by a corrupt and rapidly-changing system. But Niko's cognitive dissonance made him complex and sympathetic; Johnny just comes across as either unusually boneheaded or a victim of inconsistent character writing.

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HaythamKenway

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For one thing, I can't figure out why he essentially takes Billy's side at first and says "f*ck 'em" when Jim breaks the news that the Chinese have come calling for the heroin. He never wanted it to begin with (partially because he knew it was the last thing Billy needed, and partially because he knew it would attract attention), so why is he so keen to hang on to it all of a sudden? And why do he and Jim think it's such a great idea to try and sell the Chinese their stolen property? Billy setting him up aside (which is a plot point that isn't really introduced until TBoGT regardless), they react exactly how you would expect.

Good point about Johnny initially agreeing with Billy. Yup, that's inconsistent. I guess he might have expected the Triads to drive a hard bargain and pay a fraction of the heroin's worth? Johnny doesn't want a fight, true, but he's greedy. I'm quite sure he wouldn't be on board if he didn't get something out of the deal. Also, he walks in on a heated conversation about a topic he wasn't informed about, so it could be more like just him, throwing it out there.

 

Switching sides back to Jim, well, Jim instantly brings up the Chinese killing off the Angels while also suggesting a diplomatic resolution to the issue. Then Johnny himself starts listing all the problems the Lost have gotten themselves into and that getting into a feud with the Triads is not exactly the wisest decision. And about trusting the Triads, he trusted Jim, who believed the Triads were willing to play ball and avoid bloodshed.

 

That's all there's to it, I guess. I suppose it's really about Jim, above anything else. All Billy needed to set Johnny up was to plant the idea in Jim and then be vehemently opposed to it - and then Johnny would argue for the deal on the principle. That's actually another way we could look at Johnny's weird OOC suggestion at the start of the discussion - the point of the cutscene might have been that Johnny can't think objectively and will always side with Jim, regardless of the factors at play, making the stark divide in the club clear. Which is something that Billy used against him.

 

 

But the whole business with Ray and the diamond loot is what really drives me up the wall. Why did Johnny ever think he could get away with ripping him off? Why did even he do it? Because Ray was kind of a dick to him, and he's just that petty? Because he was butthurt that Ray was f*cking a girl he was already trying to cut out of his life? Because he blamed him for Luis showing up to take back the diamonds, even though he was the one who helped steal the diamonds and thus should've had some idea of where they came from and what to expect as a result?

The diamond deal happens after the civil war, with the club destroyed and everyone but Johnny's inner circle dead (perhaps it would have been a good idea to have the clubhouse deserted already at that point in storyline). He didn't care at that point. He had nothing tying him down, no responsibility. That's where the greed and the inability to accept authority in any way, two of his biggest character flaws, are shown at their earnest. He saw a chance for the last, big fat payoff and so he took it. It was stupid and irrational by design.

 

That's the thing about Johnny. He might be a "sensible" biker, who wants to survive within the system, while Billy just wants to cause havok, but he still believes he can somehow avoid its rules in some way. He's more moderate, but he still wants to aggresively pursue power and riches. The difference between them is that he understands his limits and the consequence of his actions - until the diamond deal, when he felt no need to. That's what Angus's ending speech is about. It's not just about Billy's part in driving the club to the ground, but Johnny's as well. They're not so different, really.

 

The message of TLaD is that "the system" is everpresent. Just changes form. The Lost believe themselves to be outside of it, they still subscribe to some romantic ideal of being the ultimate rebels, some more than the others, but even Johnny and Jim eventually fall victim to that line of thought. It's about how you can't ever think of yourself as an exception and act without regard for your environment and the consequences of your actions - those higher up on the ladder will always hold power over you and break you down, effortlessly.

 

"Well, that combination of greed and f*cked up stupidity works well in the government. Not so much when you're a f*cking crook."

 

Oh boy, that veered off course. Anyway, Johnny being boneheaded? Yes. Yes, he was. That was the point.

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RogerWho

I don't see any problem with Johnny taking Bill's side for once. He may not liked stealing the H, but once they have it, he sees no reason why they should just hand it over to the first group of thugs who claim it's theirs. It's quite natural that the first reaction would be "f*ck them".

 

Imagine you bought a 2nd hand phone and someone rings your door and claim it's actually their phone, without any real proof. Would you just hand it over? Of course not. And we're talking about criminals here. Yes, the Chinese reacted just as we might expect but that doesn't mean it wasn't worth a shot trying to get some money out of it. It's not like the biker gang will just roll over and let the Chinese piss on them.

 

Second, it was his first reaction before having all the information. After he got the explanation, he sort of changed his mind. What's wrong with that?

 

The internet forums are teaching us otherwise, but he world is not black and white. You don't need to stick with one truth and treat the other side as the eternal enemy. And you can also change your mind.

 

If anything, this is the sort of writing I like because it makes characters appear more human. Second, you can also take it as Johnny being the mediator standing the middle ground between the evil psycho Billy and Jim the family guy. Don't forget Johnny is still a tough biker and will not always be 100% smart and pragmatic.

 

As for Ray, I've always felt there has to be something missing here, like large chunks of his story being cut in development or something. Everyone treats him like the biggest scumbag and feels justified in ripping him off, while in the story we never see him treating anyone too badly. We're obviously missing some significant backstory. If you ask me, it's a failure of the story as a whole, not just particular characters. I kinda learned to live with it, although I'd love to know what was planned there originally.

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B Dawg

As for Ray, I've always felt there has to be something missing here, like large chunks of his story being cut in development or something. Everyone treats him like the biggest scumbag and feels justified in ripping him off, while in the story we never see him treating anyone too badly. We're obviously missing some significant backstory. If you ask me, it's a failure of the story as a whole, not just particular characters. I kinda learned to live with it, although I'd love to know what was planned there originally.

Yeah, the thing with Ray is so weird. I hope the protagonists (Niko and Johnny) aren't merely judging Ray based on his personality. f*cking yokels :lol:

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Journey_95

Luis is getting really hammered here. As he would say, "Oye. What the fu*k?!"

 

:D

Thats because he sucks, I even prefer Trevor (who can at least be entertaining at times).

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PhillBellic

 

Luis is getting really hammered here. As he would say, "Oye. What the fu*k?!"

 

:D

Thats because he sucks, I even prefer Trevor (who can at least be entertaining at times).

 

Psst. Don't let Niobium see your Post. :p

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Dr. Robotnik

As for Ray, I've always felt there has to be something missing here, like large chunks of his story being cut in development or something. Everyone treats him like the biggest scumbag and feels justified in ripping him off, while in the story we never see him treating anyone too badly. We're obviously missing some significant backstory. If you ask me, it's a failure of the story as a whole, not just particular characters. I kinda learned to live with it, although I'd love to know what was planned there originally.

 

I thought the interactions between him and Niko in the main game more or less worked. There, he was a sleazy kind of guy and probably untrustworthy in the long term, but he didn't go out of his way to screw Niko over, and while Niko disliked him, he ended up killing him mostly because Jimmy told him to rather than out of any serious grudge.

 

It was with Johnny where they kind of faltered. Maybe they didn't mean for Johnny to be seen as totally in the right, but I still feel like if they weren't trying to nudge us towards taking his side, they would've had other characters like Angus be more critical of him than they were. I can't shake the impression that they were a little biased in favor of Johnny in a way they weren't with Niko.

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Sunrise Driver

 

Johnny - the worst not just in GTAs but all games I've played.

 

I wish Trevor was in GTA 4. The best protagonist ever in games.

INFIDEL

 

 

 

 

Last time someone called me like this was a guard in Assassin's Creed 1.

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Platybus

I voted Luis (for the reasons already stated, though @Neon_Dreaming wrote a compelling argument defending the Hispanic).

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RogerWho

So at the end I decided to vote for Niko. He's alright but a bit of a Mary Sue and not as interesting as Johnny. And like I said Luis is my man, so there we go.

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Niobium

 

 

Johnny - the worst not just in GTAs but all games I've played.

 

I wish Trevor was in GTA 4. The best protagonist ever in games.

INFIDEL

 

 

 

 

Last time someone called me like this was a guard in Assassin's Creed 1.

 

 

WELL HE WAS PROBABLY RIGHT

 

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SeroH

Luis would need a therapist. I found him very depressed as he doesn't know who is he, Downtown changed Luis a lot.

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B Dawg

The hellhole that is Lower Algonquin is killing Luis from the inside :(

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TommySpaghetti

Luis. TBoGT was a bore fest IMO

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HeySlickThatsMe

hard question since i like johnny niko and luis...

i choosed johnny becase i don't know who i can choose

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iiCriminnaaL 49
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It's gotta be Luis for me.

 

    I don't dislike him, but I just find him uninteresting and generic to some extent, at least compared to Niko and Johnny. However, I put him over both Trevor and Franklin in my list. And he also started to grow up more in my mind recently.

 

 

As for Johnny, I know that there's probably as many people who hate him as the ones who like him. Some dislike him for being a biker, some consider him soft, some find him not hotheaded enough for a biker, some see him too evil, everyone has his opinion and point of view. But for me, he's still my favorite protagonist in the series.

 

    Anyway, I just think that people exaggerate when they call him a soft biker. I've probably stated this a lot recently (lol 😛), but if they pay more attention to The Lost and Damned's story, they'll realize that he's just a criminal who thinks before acting, in most cases anyway. He does what he gotta do to reach his goal, but he knows that there's gotta be a limit. So, for instance, he forced Pretty Boy's face to a bike's wheel to have him talk, and he got the word he wanted, but unlike Billy, he didn't find it a necessary to throw a hammer on the first's face. When it comes to the war with the Angels of Death, most people just remember that Johnny settled a truce with them, and forget that he eventually supported the idea of breaking it during the first mission, "And you know what? Peace and prosperity be damned!" - Johnny. So, things went dry between the two clubs again, and Johnny battled them several times later during the story, but he knows that killing an Angel lieutenant will get things even worse and will cause a lot of loses, because that's totally different from the usual street fights that occur between gangs. Billy just didn't give a sh*t of what could have happened and killed the lieutenant just for "crashing my party".

 

    So, Johnny was mostly doing alright IMO, but he the only time he seriously f*cked up was when he ripped Ray off without considering shutting him down first. And that's not totally out of character, because he's a criminal, and criminals are mostly greedy and untrustworthy, which makes recklessness very expected, even when he's careful for the most of time. However, if you ask me, I'd say that it was refreshing to be the "bad guy" in this situation, when for the most of time protagonists only get betrayed, but they rarely rip someone off. Well, at least he's loyal to those who are his true friends.

 

    When it comes to his relationship with Ashley, I can agree that this is his weakness. He always tries to cut her off his head, but can't help but to protect her. I actually liked this, because it adds more emotions to the story and makes you feel like this criminal has something to care about besides running his gang. Of course, he broke up with her at the end of the story, and you can tell that he really meant it, "You're speaking a foreign language to me now, lady. Now get the f*ck outta here." and "I finally cut her loose in my head, man". You know what happened in GTA V though, but that's another story.

 

    As for being hotheaded, some would argue that he's not hotheaded enough for a biker, but I disagree;

Spoiler

"And you know what? Peace and prosperity be damned!", 9:03. And just look what he did to Pretty Boy at 13:16:

 

4:52:

 

He wasn't going to let some corrupt FIB agents use him and The Lost, so:

 

Maybe that's not something that shows if he is hotheaded or not, but his interaction with Brian, Niko, Playboy X and the undercover cops gives the assumption that he is:

 

Like every other storyline mission, this one was just epic, especially at 4:36:

 

Again, not sure if this counts as being hotheaded, but it's obvious that he wasn't worried in case the deal was going to turn into a war. "Look, man, we can do business or go to war. It's your call", 6:47:

 

He broke into Brian's safehouse, smoked all of the traitor Lost bikers out, and took the house for himself (killing Brian was optional here, but Johnny still kills him in a random encounter if spared):

 

3:43:

 

5:37. You also might've liked the beef he had with the LCPD.

 

He was forced to do it, but you gotta see his interaction with Roman and the Russians, and especially Roman:

 

That's when he planned to betray Ray. He also sent a crew of The Lost after Luis and Tony to make sure they aren't coming back at him and the bikers. His interaction with Evan was also dope:

 

There he goes like "f*ck it" and takes Boccino's goons out. Betraying him, as he previously planned:

 

Do I have to say anything here?

 

You don't expect someone who is not hotheaded to compete in an illegal bike race where its competitors are associated baseball bats. And listen to that badass laugh, 0:31:

 

Let alone his quotes and overall attitude, whether with the characters or in shootouts (even in freeroam, although that's not canon).

 

 

Now I'm not just trying to praise Johnny for the sake of being my favorite protagonist 😛, but those just were points that I've always wanted share.

Edited by iiCriminnaaL 49

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Jack Lupino

All of them

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Outlaw Biker Viking

Luis Fernando Lopez, though I still like him. Just not quite to the same extent as Niko or Johnny. 

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TheSantader25

Tough choice between Niko and Johnny. Alright. Johnny takes the cake. 

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SonOfLiberty

Poor Luis. He's the black sheep like his game is.

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Max.pain
On 3/22/2019 at 8:33 AM, SonOfLiberty said:

Poor Luis. He's the black sheep like his game is

that’s racist...like i give a sh...

 

Luis, he’s not an interesting guy or doesn’t have a special personality like niko and johnny, just a simple guy who works in clubs and such for a guy, ohh and the ott story makes him weaker.

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junkpile

Johnny doesn't do it for me. 

He got watered down from Gta 4 to Tlad. 

The latter I still enjoy but imo R* messed him up. 

Yeah, "I messed up" fitting last words for him. 

I liked his Gta 5 appearance. 

 

Luis comes shortly after. Both Johnny's and his behavior (gameplay, drug and gang wars etc) contradicts the attitude they show in the story. 

 

Niko my favorite protagonist of all Gtas so far

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