[Vehicles] The Official B*tch & Moan Topic

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Just now, Commander S said:

 

 

See, I guess the thinking there was that you can then paint the car itself red or something, and do the car version of this:

 

 

(similar to that one Hermes decal set, in fact)

 

...oh, good grief - please don't tell me they made a standardised template for all the Coquette Classic decals, and cut them off at the same point, just in order to let you change the colour of the 'nose' for the fighter plane one...

At this point I don't really know anymore

[ZeroSafe]

5 minutes ago, Commander S said:

 

 

See, I guess the thinking there was that you can then paint the car itself red or something, and do the car version of this:

 

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(similar to that one Hermes decal set, in fact)

 

...oh, good grief - please don't tell me they made a standardised template for all the Coquette Classic decals, and cut them off at the same point, just in order to let you change the colour of the 'nose' for the fighter plane one...

Looks like they're all based off of a template, but at least the "Two Tone Racer" livery doesn't seem to cut off at the same point as the others:

 

However, it still looks really shoddily made because the side decals are a little too low along with two of them overlapping with parts of the car they shouldn't (the RON decal overlapping with the Coquette badging and the Hayes decal overlapping with the door jamb instead of being under that "lube" decal; I've never seen that on any professionally done livery before).

[DeadArashi]

The fact that the "Jester Classic" is a Toyota Supra and not a 1991 Honda NSX.

 

I mean, if the "Jester" is based off the 2015 Honda NSX, you would think the "Classic" would also be a Honda... considering Dinka in-game represents Honda and Karin is Toyota...

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

23 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Yes and no.

 

 

 

So it seems that I'm f*cking blind cuz I thought that SkylineGTRFreak somehow managed to get the full livery instead of just coloring the rest of the car in a matching color lol

 

This liveries look literally unfinished.

[Commander S]

3 hours ago, DeadArashi said:

The fact that the "Jester Classic" is a Toyota Supra and not a 1991 Honda NSX.

 

I mean, if the "Jester" is based off the 2015 Honda NSX, you would think the "Classic" would also be a Honda... considering Dinka in-game represents Honda and Karin is Toyota...

That, and some of the design issues with it (like the squared-off headlights) stem from R* trying to make it look like the San Andreas Jester (plus, yanno, the sculpt quality looking worse than a NASCAR body shell... ).

 

That's why I hope (assuming R* even adds anything remotely like it) R* doesn't compromise something like an RX-7 FD by trying to fudge it into being more like the SA ZR-350, or the same with the 300ZX and the Euros. As far as HD-era GTA is concerned, fidelity to reality > slavish adherence to 3D-era designs (and for the next GTA, again, I really hope they do a full visual reset of vehicles, and aim for an even higher level of verisimilitude).

[DeadArashi]

47 minutes ago, Commander S said:

That, and some of the design issues with it (like the squared-off headlights) stem from R* trying to make it look like the San Andreas Jester (plus, yanno, the sculpt quality looking worse than a NASCAR body shell... ).

 

That's why I hope (assuming R* even adds anything remotely like it) R* doesn't compromise something like an RX-7 FD by trying to fudge it into being more like the SA ZR-350, or the same with the 300ZX and the Euros. As far as HD-era GTA is concerned, fidelity to reality > slavish adherence to 3D-era designs (and for the next GTA, again, I really hope they do a full visual reset of vehicles, and aim for an even higher level of verisimilitude).

100% agree. I'm all for bringing back old 3D-era vehicles... as long as they are properly re-imaged for the HD-era quality. In my opinion, the Hunter is a prime example of this done right

 

[Commander S]

Exactly - or this:

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

10 minutes ago, Commander S said:

Exactly - or this:

Be careful who you call ugly in High School...

[Commander S]

Meanwhile, you've got this - and comparing the greenhouse pillars/glass/etc. (which look literally 2-dimensional in the GTAO version - as in, flat, like paper), it's just ...no:
 

3 hours ago, Sr_Stark11 said:

Real and Fake, side by side

 

 

 

 

 

And I figured I'd compare something else, something I consider a good GTAO design, just to see if I wasn't starting to see things that weren't there, and ...well, look at the Stafford compared to a real-life Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud or Bentley S:
 

On 7/24/2018 at 3:29 PM, TG_Stig said:

 

 

 

 

And nope, I'm not going bonkers - the Stafford has proper pillar 'heft', accurate proportions and details, panel lines, the sculpt has realistic solidity to it - and where the Jester Classic design is basically a 'freehand' approximation of a Supra (but not too close, because licensing), the Stafford is an accurate Roller, but with those rear arch covers and front vents borrowed from similar looking Jaguar models (Mark VIII/IX), to get around copyright.

 

It's what I keep coming back to about Mafia II's awesome car designs/sculpts - and I just hope that the reason why the JC looks so amateurish is that it's an early GTA V WIP model that they dug up and finished off (because they're making use of old content), compared to all-new things like the Stafford. Better that than the alternative, which is that both cars are new, there are wildly divergent standards from artist to artists at R*, and no-one's doing a good enough job with quality control to keep things consistent...

[IceDree]

On 7/30/2018 at 10:29 AM, Commander S said:

...oh, good grief - please don't tell me they made a standardised template for all the Coquette Classic decals, and cut them off at the same point, just in order to let you change the colour of the 'nose' for the fighter plane one...

Most likely the case.

[DeadArashi]

the fact older aircraft that can be made into personal vehicles cant be given performance and/or weapon upgrades and countermeasures

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

19 hours ago, DeadArashi said:

the fact older aircraft that can be made into personal vehicles cant be given performance and/or weapon upgrades and countermeasures

It's a shame that R* ditched the whole Benny's/MOC/Avenger upgrade thing because they would have added Custom versions for Pegasus aircraft.

 

Like for example, imagine an Hydra Custom with Barrage Rockets and Bombs?

 

 

[DeadArashi]

2 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

It's a shame that R* ditched the whole Benny's/MOC/Avenger upgrade thing because they would have added Custom versions for Pegasus aircraft.

 

Like for example, imagine an Hydra Custom with Barrage Rockets and Bombs?

 

 

Or the Savage with Barrage Rockets and Countermeasures

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

34 minutes ago, DeadArashi said:

Or the Savage with Barrage Rockets and Countermeasures

In that case, you will like this

 

On 6/7/2018 at 6:18 AM, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Savage Custom

 

- Replaces the Savage's fixed Minigun:

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For a Yak-B style gatling gun fully movable by the gunner, like the one from the Valkyrie:

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RL example:

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- Replaces the Savage's rocket pods:

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For a set of four UB-32 style rocket pods that fire Barrage Missiles, like the ones from the V-65 Molotok:

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RL example (middle one):

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- Swaps the pilot and gunner positions and replaces the Savage's interior:

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For a Russian turquoise cockpit, like the one from the V-65 Molotok:

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Real life example:

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- Liveries based on Russian, Polish, American, Afgan and many more armies, in addition to the stock "Zancudo" livery and the Gunrunning liveries:

 

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- Armor, Engine and Handling upgrades, Bombs and Countermeasures.

 

- Functional sidedoors.

 

[Arrows to Athens]

36 minutes ago, DeadArashi said:

Or the Savage with Barrage Rockets and Countermeasures

Now we're talking. How about extended canon range?

Edited August 5, 2018 by Arrows to Athens

[DeadArashi]

31 minutes ago, Arrows to Athens said:

Now we're talking. How about extended canon range?

or co-pilot controlled gun. I find the range is fine but end up crashing into things cuase, lets face it, the Savage isn't the smallest and nimblest of helicopters in the game. Not full turret traverse like on the Hunter or Akula, just the 60/60, 20/60 (left/right, up/down in deg).

 

@Voodoo-Hendrix I like the suggestions you make there. As you said, the gunner controlling the gun is a must, why R* made it so they can control the rockets is beyond me. Not to mention they already have the swivel mount already modelled in-game.

 

What if you could choose the mounting for the Homing and Barrage Missiles? Would put the Barrage as the innermost and the Homing on the outermost mounts.

Homing you have what's already there and the mount from the Akula, because if we look at your Real Life Example it's rather similar
 

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For the Barrage Missiles you would have; stock, UB-32 style and the one from the Akula

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Also, +1 for functional side doors. It's something that's always annoyed me, almost as much as the fact that the seat in the back can't be used

[Mach1bud]

My Mamba still doesn't have stripes.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

6 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

My Mamba still doesn't have stripes.

Soon™

 

https://twitter.com/FoxySnaps/status/1021848745506484224

 

I don't know how to embed the tweet lol

 

 

 

 

[Mach1bud]

4 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Soon™

 

https://twitter.com/FoxySnaps/status/1021848745506484224

 

I don't know how to embed the tweet lol

 

 

 

 

I know they are coming, I'm just saying it hasn't happened yet lol.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

56 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

I know they are coming, I'm just saying it hasn't happened yet lol.

Talking about liveries, why the Mamba didn't got a double stripes livery?

 

Even something like a single stripe could be good IMO.

 

 

Abd while we're at it, why they didn't added more customization options like front and back bumpers? They did it with the Prairie and the Patriot, why not with the Mamba too?

 

Even better, why they didn't replaced its interior and engine models for something more accurate?

 

I love my Mamba but seeing so much wasted potential on it hurts

Edited August 5, 2018 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[79'Blazer4x4]

28 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Talking about liveries, why the Mamba didn't got a double stripes livery?

 

Even something like a single stripe could be good IMO.

 

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Abd while we're at it, why they didn't added more customization options like front and back bumpers? They did it with the Prairie and the Patriot, why not with the Mamba too?

 

Even better, why they didn't replaced its interior and engine models for something more accurate?

 

I love my Mamba but seeing so much wasted potential on it hurts

We really need those wheels too. The stock Mamba ones are accurate in style, but they're far too large. It doesn't look right with massive wheels and low profile tires.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

12 minutes ago, 79'Blazer4x4 said:

We really need those wheels too. The stock Mamba ones are accurate in style, but they're far too large. It doesn't look right with massive wheels and low profile tires.

Yeah, my Ellie needs some Mamba wheels so bad:

 

 

[DeadArashi]

@Voodoo-Hendrix

 

Bad phtotoshop is bad but it serves the point for weapon mount customisation

Edited August 5, 2018 by DeadArashi

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

6 hours ago, DeadArashi said:

@Voodoo-Hendrix I like the suggestions you make there. As you said, the gunner controlling the gun is a must, why R* made it so they can control the rockets is beyond me. Not to mention they already have the swivel mount already modelled in-game.

 

What if you could choose the mounting for the Homing and Barrage Missiles? Would put the Barrage as the innermost and the Homing on the outermost mounts.

Homing you have what's already there and the mount from the Akula, because if we look at your Real Life Example it's rather similar
 

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For the Barrage Missiles you would have; stock, UB-32 style and the one from the Akula

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Also, +1 for functional side doors. It's something that's always annoyed me, almost as much as the fact that the seat in the back can't be used

I like how you think, for some reason I forgot about the Homing Missiles while doing that concept long ago lol

 

Using the Akula's rocket pods as an alternative could work too, I like it!

 

Some time ago, @MGgames100made this real quick:

 

On 6/9/2018 at 12:20 PM, MGgames100 said:

Ok. 8 mins.

Maybe something like this + your suggestions could be good!

 

9 minutes ago, DeadArashi said:

@Voodoo-Hendrix

 

Bad phtotoshop is bad but it serves the point for weapon mount customisation

Looks good to me!

 

The idea of being able to choose the loadout for helicopters could be nice!

 

Imagine a Savage with four Barrage Rocket pods or four Homing Missile pods or two and two...

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

For some reason, I can't add this quote to my post above.

 

@Alvarezmade this quick Photoshop some time ago too:

 

On 6/9/2018 at 10:22 AM, Alvarez said:

Just something done real quick.

 

Sorry for the double post, I thought this one would merge with the one before it, this site is weird

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[DeadArashi]

13 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Looks good to me!

 

The idea of being able to choose the loadout for helicopters could be nice!

 

Imagine a Savage with four Barrage Rocket pods or four Homing Missile pods or two and two...

God, I don't even know what sort of configuration I would choose

 

1 minute ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

For some reason, I can't add this quote to my post above.

 

@Alvarezmade this quick Photoshop some time ago too:

 

 

Sorry for the double post, I thought this one would merge with the one before it, this site is weird

Oh shiet, that actually looks legit

 

 

Well, until the Savage gets an upgrade, the Akula sits as my favourite helicopter. But I do have some issues with it, and they are also weapon related. For starters, I've never really liked having player controlled miniguns. Explosive cannons are fine, but a minigun that requires continued aimed fire on target to be effective while in an aircraft that likes to bob around and be very unstable... yer. I would like to see the option to remove the fold-out miniguns and swap them for Homing Missiles. This would mean that Homing Missiles would be removed from the Stub Wing upgrades, but allow for the pilot to take both Homing and Barrage Missiles.

 

 

Though an interesting upgrade option could be added that puts a single minigun on each Stub Wing in swivel mounts similar to the one on the nose that are controlled by the two rear passengers. The benefit of this is having a possible total of 4 miniguns that are able to aim and fire at targets behind you to keep enemies far enough away to no get a missile lock on and would help make up for the lack of countermeasures.

 

Or if someone wanted to make it a literal gunship, they could leave the fold in-wings with miniguns and add the minigun stub wings to get a total of 6 miniguns laying fire at target in-front of them

Edited August 5, 2018 by DeadArashi

[Pizzahut]

A minor thing, but apparently the Buckingham Shamal airplane only has one livery now. I found this out in sp with mods, but in online this plane also spawns only with the MyFly livery. Is this R* being lazy since it HAS to be the MyFly livery in that one Solomon mission, so they're just removing the other livery's so it's always the MyFly one? As far as I know, the Air Emu one is gone. not sure if this is already known

[DeadArashi]

@Voodoo-Hendrix photoshop might be dodgy but 3D models are great (if they were textured anyway, I just can't be f*cked exporting all the textures, but it serves its purpose for both the Savage and Akula)

Savage

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Akula

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Rear-passenger controlled miniguns on the Stub Wings

Pilot controlled miniguns replaced with Homing Missiles

 

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[Yellow Dog with Cone]

33 minutes ago, DeadArashi said:

@Voodoo-Hendrix photoshop might be dodgy but 3D models are great (if they were textured anyway, I just can't be f*cked exporting all the textures, but it serves its purpose for both the Savage and Akula)

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Rear-passenger controlled miniguns on the Stub Wings

Pilot controlled miniguns replaced with Homing Missiles

 

This... Is... Beautiful!

 

You should post this in both the Savage and Akula's threads too!

 

Good job!

 

Also send it to R* too pls

[DeadArashi]

1 hour ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Good job!

 

 

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Also send it to R* too pls

 

Many thanks friend, and I was planning to send it away. Will drop them into their appropriate threads as well