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SonOfLiberty

Games you like, but others don't

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esmittystud101

- Trials series

- Assassin's Creed: Syndicate

- Salt and Sanxtuary

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SonOfLiberty

Beyond Two Souls - my overall most favorite game, even though the plot is a bit silly and I'm not a fan of 'save the world' plots/endings in general. It works both as a package as well as in the details. How many games get you to know a child soldier? Or let you play as a kid that burns down a house? I also love the gameplay and the fact that there's no mission failure anywhere. You just get a different outcome based on what you do.

I can't believe I forget this. I love this game too, but it didn't seem to be as well recieved as Heavy Rain. The story only seems silly IMO because it's told out of order making it difficult to follow.

 

However on the PS4 version (the one I have) there's a remix mode that puts all the chapters in chronological order making the story make a lot more sense.

 

My favourite thing Aiden can do is possess people. That's so bad ass.

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RogerWho

^ I actually really like the fact that BTS is told out of order. Overall I'm sure they spent a lot of time and thinking figuring out the right order so that it doesn't get stale and missions that go after each other often give extra context. In fact two missions actually are in order, exactly where the suspense after the first one would kill me otherwise :D I don't think I'd enjoy the game as much if it was linear. I mean I loved how you can play as a kid but I wouldn't want to spend the first half of the game like that and then move on. It's the mixing that makes it more interesting. The only issue if I remember correctly was that 'Prologue' was placed as the last element of the timeline even though it actually wasn't.

 

By the silly story I mean... For example you wander in the desert and just happen to run into those ghosts. That was a really weird coincidence if you ask me and I don't think it was explained otherwise. I also wasn't completely sold on the whole mix of 'real' world and the paranormal, but still better than random sci-fi elements just dropped into the plot, like the case of Heavy Rain (and Fahrenheit, from what I've heard).

 

Still, great game. Detroid: Become Human may be the only game that could convince me to get a PS4 when it comes out. I so hope they won't mess it up somehow.

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ClaudeSpeed1911

1. Dynasty Warrior Series (any Warriors game to be honest). Yes its repetitive however, the game is still fun to play if you just want to button mash and feel like a badass. Its a chill game that I play to calm down or if I played a hard game like Souls and I just want to kick ass and feel like a badass. The characters in the games are also fun and I have a smile on my face when I hear the so bad its good voice acting and the characters in the game interact.

 

2. Saints Row III/IV. I hated what Saints Row have become and I would like the series to go back to the balanced way the series used to be (Fun activities and gameplay but a serious with funny/sad moments storyline). The games are still fun and I would get the itch to play them sometimes (same with SR2) because they are good game. Hopefully the series goes back to its roots.

 

3. GTAIV. Offcourse this game is on this list, I love it so much and I feel its still the best HD GTA along EFLC and GTA CTW. The hate the game gets on other forums really makes it feel like a bad game.

 

4. Duke Nukem Forever. The game is dated, looks like sh*t and plays nothing like a Duke game and Duke himself turned into a douchbag. The game has some gross moments like what happens to the twins and Duke's reaction to them. I still had fun with the game because I expected a game from 2005 and got what I wanted. The dlc for the game however is much more fun than the full game and it had better pacing and better visuals. (Who the hell decided to make Las Vegas take place in the day? Would have looked much better had it been set at night.)

 

5. Kane and Lynch series. Both games had their ups and downs, the first one had bad shooting mechanics but still fun and a great atomsphere and level variety and level design. The second game however had a great gritty atomsphere with nice visuals and gun play but the levels were much more linear and less free compared to the first one. Both games had great protagonists which are supposed to make the player feel like a bad guy and not an anti hero. Hopefully one day they will finish the series.

 

6. Driver San Fransisco. The game was not like the rest of the games in the series in that you can get out of cars (similiar to the first one) but were still a good game with good mechanics, the banter between the Tanner and the people you meet when you shift to different cars are funny and the story is entertaining. Gameplay mechanics are solid and feels so much like an updated gameplay of DRIVER 1 and 2.

 

7. Hotline Miami 2. Game was solid and fun with good story and music. The biggest complains I hear is that people don't like the level design because its more shootouts focused and that's fine. If you play the game differently and not like the first one then you will like it as much as the original.

 

These are the ones that came to mind, will update if more games come up.

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Fuzzknuckles

 

Mad Max: A lot of people I know that played this didn't enjoy it anywhere near as much as I did. Sure, it's repetitive, feels sparse and empty and can be quite a lonely experience, but anyone that has seen Mad Max 2 should know that that's exactly how that world should be. Charging around the final area in a fully-tricked out car feels excellent and the fighting mechanics were brutally solid. Love it.

Gotten Mad Max a few months ago on PC. Been playing it quite alot ever since. Enjoying it big time and your brief explanation why the game is good is spot on. I'm taking my time though (I'm the kind of person who wants to go through every area with everything plundered/explored). Which means I have to take it easy and take breaks with this game (because yes, else it's way too repetetive).

 

It's the kind of game you should buy either at launch and take a course of a year to complete or buy as a bargain and also savor the experience. Overdoing just makes you hate the game for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, absolutely. I took it pretty slowly and did 99% of everything but I think Dragon Age: Inquisition came out around the time I was finishing up and my gf commandeered my PS4 to play that instead.

 

I'm tempted to play it again but I don't think it'll have anywhere near as much impact a second time through.

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nargris

Too Human.

 

Many condemed the game for its unusual combat mechanics (namely using the right stick to swing you melee weapon).

 

But i loved the premise and setting of the game (sci-fi mixed with norse mythology) and the controls were quite easy to get used to.

 

Would love to a sequel or another game set in the same universe.

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RogerWho

Duke Nukem Forever is a funny one. People often talk about old shooters, but usually it's only about the really retro ones, like Doom and DN3D. I like shooters from the later era, which were already sophisticated enough to have some stories and genuine atmosphere but were still made by devs who were fans of games and not corporate committees.

 

I mean shooters like Quake 2, Half-Life (obviously), Soldier of Fortune, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and one game I'll mention at the end. This era pretty much ended when Halo and Medal of Honor: Allied Assault came out.

 

Well, DNF does kinda feel like this kind of games and thus I did like when those bits were visible. I'll play the game again one day just for that. Of course as a whole it was really bad when it came out and made even worse with all those borrowed mechanics that absolutely didn't fit, like physics puzzles and a 2 weapons limit - I can't even begin to fathom who could think of that in a Duke game. And of course it had a sh*tty bland ending just like almost all the games of its time. But damn, if this game got finished back when it should've been, around 1998 or so, it would have been truly spectacular.

 

Speaking of games regarded as the worst ever...

 

Get ready...

 

Here's one I forgot...

 

You ready?

 

Sit down.

 

Here it comes.

 

Daikatana.

 

I got this game in 2004 or so from a bargain bin since I was curious what the fuzz is about. I wasn't paying attention to games during its development and release and thus had no reason to be biased or hyped. So I bought it, played it with the latest patch (that had improved AI, balance and allowed for quicksaving) and you know what? It's really great after it gets going.

 

Yea, the beginning sucks. Shame really and doubly so because only the first couple of levels were included in the demo so everyone remembers the game as 'a frog and mosquito killing simulator'. But that's really the worst part of the game by a lightyear. Most people have no idea because they've never played it, or abandoned it too quickly.

 

Especially the 2nd and 3rd parts of the game are truly great - fun to play, typical Romero's level design and unique environments. If you don't know, the game takes place in 4 distinct eras where each one has unique weapons, monsters and everything else (apart from the titular sword). The ancient Greece and Scandinavia in the middle ages are among the most unique environments in any game. Funnily enough there are also RPG elements which I don't normally like in shooters but work well here.

 

It's really a shame that the game was so overhyped, delayed and suffered all those problems. Even though it's broken at times and the first part is really bad, the game itself deserved to be remembered in a much better light.

 

Note: yea I know some people have played it and didn't like it anyway but that's true for any game.

 

I guess the GameSpy review sums it up well. Damn I miss those old GameSpy reviewers...

 

However, of all the games that I've reviewed, Daikatana is the only game that I've intended to keep on my system so that I can continue playing it. That alone should tell you that it does something right. If you're willing to look past all of the negative comments about the game floating around and give the game a chance, I believe that you'll greatly enjoy the experience. Once you get past those mosquitoes and frogs that is...

 

The graphics may be dated, but it's the most fun I've had in a single-player first person shooter since Half-Life.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

1. GTA IV - Totally cool and really amazing features. I was amazed when I played that game. Cool missions and a lots of stuff to discover. Has got many NY places.

2. Prototype 2 - This game really gives a hardcore challenge to GTA IV. It's a Sci Fi game. Bit it's NYC is totally demolished, that's what I hate about it. Bit it has a more Detailed NY feelings than GTA IV. I only prefer GTA IV on Prototype 2 coz of GTA IV's Features, and Storyline. In Graphics Comparision, Prototye 2 gains a Victory.

3. Prince of Persia : The Sands of Time - Really cool game, good for PC. Should really give a try.

4. TBOGT - Have NY feelings, but Differently. The Ballad Of Gay Tony injects an Overdose of Guns, Glitz and Glamour in Liberty City. Discover the Dangerous Nightlife Situations of Liberty City. Everything's modern in this game, especially the guns. The Clubs, they're amazing. The Ballad Of Gay Tony seems to be easy, but it's the hardest of all GTAs.

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RogerWho

3. Prince of Persia : The Sands of Time

:blink: Who doesn't like this game? Besides me I mean. In general the game is regarded as a classic and some people like Yahtzee never shut up about how awesome it is. I don't like it since it had the worst combat ever, a lot of puzzles were murderous (literally) even though the platforming was good.

 

If there's a PoP game that's generally disliked, it's the 2008 reboot. Which I actually really liked, not just because it was easy as hell :lol: but it had a nice fairy tale atmosphere and beautiful music.

 

 

 

Also, Ubisoft released it for PC on disc without any sort of DRM whatsoever. I ran out to buy it as soon as I learned this. Alas, the DRM-free episode didn't last :(

 

BTW do we have a topic for forgotten gems?

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DEALUX

If there's one thing I learned from this topic, it's that GTAIV isn't disliked nearly as much as y'all claim it to be seein how it's listed in 90% of the posts here.

I hate the game for its performance issues on PC. There is no PC in the world (AFAIK) that can run this game properly. The console versions weren't too good either. PS3 was a sub 30 FPS experience for the most part. Xbox 360 version was a bit better because it ran with an unlocked frame rate (20-40 FPS range) but it was still badly optimized. Other than that I love the game but I can't forgive R* for not fixing the PC version.

 

Most of the games I enjoy are games that most people I know don't seem to like. I like racing sims and open world games like GTA but I feel like I'm mostly alone in preferring them among my online friends. My real life acquaintances aren't really huge gamers so they don't really count. The good thing is that my best friend has similar preferences so we get to play together from time to time. My sister likes games like Witcher and Mass Effect, which is good because I like games like that too, but we don't really have much else in common gaming wise.

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Fuzzknuckles

Most of the games I enjoy are games that most people I know don't seem to like. I like racing sims and open world games like GTA but I feel like I'm mostly alone in preferring them among my online friends. My real life acquaintances aren't really huge gamers so they don't really count.

 

Pretty much everyone I have on my PSN list is either into FPS games or FPS games. It's that simple. And so dull.

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BlackScout

2. GTA IV (like you mentioned). Similarly to Dead Island, your opinions will be immediately shut down. It's a very disappointing divide in the playerbase.

I don't think that is classifiable to the idea of the thread...

I mean; GTA IV is liked by many, many people... I see that those who enjoyed it and liked it are in bigger number than those who hated/disliked.

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Tigereyesxx

The Division, first shooter that I actually stuck with. Great World, awesome story, and fantastic combat. This is not including the Dark Zone which I have yet to fully conquer,or explore.I have managed to get top end weapons by doing challenges outside the Dark zone,in my view a very underrated and unappreciated masterpiece.

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acmilano

-GTA IV and V. They were hit with critics,and some things could be better solved,but overall they were good. It was nice exploring Liberty City and Los Santos in HD,see the Niko's migrant story and adventures of V's trio.

-Assassin's Creed 1. It started an good series and even if it was a repetitive it was nice window to past and to one interesting time period.

-Mass Effect 3. Ending is now infamous and it had even some other problems but it was for a most part a good game. Main story missions were good,characters were interesting and I would always like to play this one.

-Binary Domain. I bought this game with out mucgh expectations and really loved it. Gameplay was fun,characters were interesting and I was suprised that went so silent in gaming world.

-Driver SF. Great driving and bunch of good cars. It also didn't get much attention but it was my favorite 2011 game. Even my friends who doesn't really play videogames but love cars liked to play this one at my house.

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ClaudeSpeed1911

-Binary Domain. I bought this game with out mucgh expectations and really loved it. Gameplay was fun,characters were interesting and I was suprised that went so silent in gaming world.

 

I knew I forgot something, this game was a hidden gem. Looks generic at first look but damn if it wasn't one of the best shooter last gen.

 

PLAY THIS GAME PEOPLE!!! Its f*cking awesome.

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Sunrise Driver

- True Crime NYC

- Japanese train simulators

- CSI Telltale games

- Driv3r

 

And get ready for this one because it's the most hated game ever:

 

GTA V

 

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JosephStalin

True Crime streets of L.A for its time was a very solid action game which was met with mostly very average reviews, the story was cliche & mediocre but the gun combat & hand to hand combat for its time was fantastic & intense, well ahead of superior titles like GTA & Max Payne in that particular regard.

 

 

 

 

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Osho

Gothic 3.

Speaking as a huge Gothic fan who totally understands the criticisms towards this game, still I can see the ambitious project the developers were pursuing and they did manage to offer great things like sheer variety in gameplay, huge size of the world that feels so rewarding and beautiful, the amazing faction system still unsurpassed by any AAA RPG even this day, and the amount of freedom the game gives the player in how to solve the problems is simply unmatched in any AAA RPG games.

Based on the merits of the game itself as a modern RPG and not the flaws, Gothic 3 feels like a masterpiece in many ways when compared with mediocre titles ( disclaimer: personal opinion ) like Fallout 4, Skyrim and Dragon age: Inquisition.

The community patches manage to polish this rough gem of a game on release to a good extent and there's already G3 - CSP under development; which when released will solve a lot of issues with the story, as well.

So yeah, a lot of people dislike for reasons that more or less are valid but there's still a lot to like about this game which no other modern RPGs are able to offer. I enjoyed it despite the flaws. Not too bad. Worth the time.

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Zello

Alpha Protocol that game is just soo bad the gameplay is just terrible I enjoyed it but seriously this must be the worst boss fight in gaming ever

 

What I did enjoy was the dialogue and making Michael Thornton look like an ass

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Dr. Robotnik

Call of Duty: World at War - I've always only been in it for the campaigns (they're cheap fun, as short and on-rails as they are after the earlier games), and for my money WaW is one of the very best and most atmospheric of the series. The Pacific Theater stuff was awesome (and how cool is it having Keifer Sutherland as your sarge?), but the Russian side of the campaign just blew me away. Storming the Reichstag and taking it over is one of my favorite video game moments ever, no joke. And oh my god, that soundtrack. People may have been disappointed by another WWII game after Modern Warfare, but I'm really glad more fans are realizing that WaW is a very good entry in its own right now that some time has passed.

 

This. The CoD series in general has a lot of overlooked pathos. I didn't even really dislike Ghosts.

 

Games by David Cage have a rather undeserved reputation, I feel (Beyond: Two Souls has already been mentioned here, but enough good things can't be said about Ellen Page as Jodie and Willem Dafoe as Dawkins). Critics have really soured on Heavy Rain over the years, and it's definitely deeply flawed, but if you play it as what it is at its core, a story about father-son relationships, it really can work; the final confrontation between the Origami Killer and Ethan (if he's come to the warehouse alone) is quite moving.

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Fuzzknuckles

So it's pretty conclusive - people don't actually hate IV. The reality is that the bigger fans of IV are just massively insecure about the game.

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Mister Pink

Driv3r and Driver: Parallel Lines. It's strange because PL was more like GTA IV, the driving, the escape system all influence GTA IV yet nobody really liked PL. The story was also set in New York and 1978 and 2006 and they did a pretty good job at the time of the change in time.

 

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Highly underrated game...

 

 

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HaythamKenway

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6. Driver San Fransisco. The game was not like the rest of the games in the series in that you can get out of cars (similiar to the first one) but were still a good game with good mechanics, the banter between the Tanner and the people you meet when you shift to different cars are funny and the story is entertaining. Gameplay mechanics are solid and feels so much like an updated gameplay of DRIVER 1 and 2.

(...)

 

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-Driver SF. Great driving and bunch of good cars. It also didn't get much attention but it was my favorite 2011 game. Even my friends who doesn't really play videogames but love cars liked to play this one at my house.

These!

 

Shame on me for forgetting Driver: SF. What a silly little game, yet never overly absurd. It was clear that the developers had a lot of fun playing with the unique concept, both in terms of gameplay (so much fun phasing in and out of cars, crashing them left and right as if I was playing with toy cars again) and the writing (all that great banter and funny characters).

 

I wish we'd see more of games like this again. You know, high profile, AAA production values, yet self-contained, one-and-done cool idea that the developers can truly go wild with. To generalize a lot, sometimes it feels like everything is just either these massive franchises built for dozens of sequels or scrambling indie low budget games and Kickstarter projects coasting on nostalgia. And I miss these mid-tier games that the 6th and, to a much lesser degree, 7th generation were full of.

 

Anyway, there's also another game I forgot to mention: The Godfather II. It was repetitive and already badly aged on the release, but it nicely expanded upon the formula of the first game. I loved building up my own gang, customizing everything, taking over the plethora of businesses and rackets across multiple cities (Miami and Havana!), all with their own specific bonuses and perks and assassinating enemy mobsters, going from the bottom right up to the top. The family system was cool too, with the character classes and promotions, which made the usually anonymous hired muscle a much more vital part of the gameplay. And finally, the alternate take on the film's story, with greater roles for Fredo and Hagen was more interesting then the semi-rigid approach of the first game.

 

So it's pretty conclusive - people don't actually hate IV. The reality is that the bigger fans of IV are just massively insecure about the game.

I know that people are okay with IV nowadays - first, it's been eight years, for Christ's sake, only the most severe fan grudges last this long; and second, this forum might be the biggest IV fan haven on the internet, so of course people will be more positively inclined here.

 

But the insecurity and defensiveness came from somewhere. I remember 08 and 09. I wasn't here, on these forums, so I can't speak about the state here, but I remember how bad things were elsewhere. The negativity against V might be bad, but at least it's more or less contained here. The negativity against IV? You couldn't get away from it. Every single discussion about the game, wherever you went, was poisoned by it. It was lambasted exactly as Watch Dogs is now. So, of course the people who were engaged in those sh*tstorms still feel as if IV is the one universally hated black sheep.

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Kiffster

I seem to remember that Splinter Cell Conviction got a lot of hate for the heavier focus on combat instead of stealth, but I really liked the game. A lot. I still managed to be stealthy throughout most of the game and didn't mind the few parts where I felt it was necessary to go in guns blazing. It was still very much a stealth game in my opinion. More so than Double Agent which I though was mediocre at best.

 

And somebody up there mentioned the Prince of Persia reboot, another ubi game that received a lot of hate for being too different. I personally loved the game. Everything from the amazing graphics, awesome world, combat, acrobatics, the chick, soundtrack etc. In a lot of ways I actually think it was the best POP game to date. Such a shame that ubi ditched all their plans for any sequels. Even worse that they ditched the franchise completely to rather focus on that ass creed stuff.

 

Other than those two, I also enjoyed Watch Dogs (only real complaints are the driving and the mostly terrible soundtrack) and Dragon Age II (really good game imo despite its massive flaws like all the reused areas and dull, badly designed city etc. Excellent combat, characters, story and quests were all good enough for me to forgive Bioware. Still their worst game ever tho, but it ain't bad).

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SonOfLiberty

I know that people are okay with IV nowadays - first, it's been eight years, for Christ's sake, only the most severe fan grudges last this long; and second, this forum might be the biggest IV fan haven on the internet, so of course people will be more positively inclined here.

 

But the insecurity and defensiveness came from somewhere. I remember 08 and 09. I wasn't here, on these forums, so I can't speak about the state here, but I remember how bad things were elsewhere. The negativity against V might be bad, but at least it's more or less contained here. The negativity against IV? You couldn't get away from it. Every single discussion about the game, wherever you went, was poisoned by it. It was lambasted exactly as Watch Dogs is now. So, of course the people who were engaged in those sh*tstorms still feel as if IV is the one universally hated black sheep.

This. If GTA IV was more universally praised among fans during release I think we would've seen more of its influences in GTA V. Critically and financially it was a success, but it never seemed to resonate among fans (at the time) as a game with universal appeal.

 

It's well documented the story/missions had a low completion rate for example.

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otachi

Gta iv and V

 

Splinter cell conviction and blacklist,Great games by their own rights,screw haters.

 

Watchdogs.

 

Batman arkham origins.

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RogerWho

GTA IV had the problem that it pretty much kickstarted the whole 'ludonarrative dissonance' debate which went on for years and every time it popped up, GTA IV was stated as an example.

 

The other debates that were raging while GTA IV was still big were 'are games art?', early SJW issues, and of course, game violence.

 

At the end, there wasn't a single point about that game that wasn't overanalyzed from these and other perspectives by the critics. Now add some genuine issues the game had (such as the abysmal PC port and some in-game annoyances), the fact that it was quite a different experience from the arcade GTAs of earlier, its relation to other games (such as Saints Row 2 and Mafia II), the hype and 10/10 reviews and damn, you really couldn't move an inch on the internet without running into another GTA IV criticism.

 

Funny thing that almost everyone had something else (bad) to say about it, but at the end it seemed like the game is at fault for everything, from minor gaming trends to global hunger.

 

Now I suppose a lot of the criticism the game received was/is rather valid but it was still rather disproportionate even considering how huge a phenomenon it was.

 

At the time, I didn't really care since, like I said, a lot of it was valid and I hadn't really appreciated the game until later. But yea, it was quite ridiculous.

 

It's something like No Man's Sky gets today. A lot of people like it, a lot of people hate it, but just browsing the net gives you an idea it's the devil incarnate.

 

An earlier example was Doom 3. Also a divisive game which got a lot of flak, often called 'a tech demo' (despite having a story twice as long than what was usual at the time).

 

I guess every game that delivers something else than what's commonly expected gets this treatment, regardless how it was actually advertised. But rarely does such an sh*t-avalanche fall on a single game for many various and unrelated reasons like was the case of GTA IV. Basically look at any of Osho's post: anything and everything that's bad about anything, GTA IV is cited as an example. That was basically the internet in '08 - '09.

 

A little bit like COD for the last 6 or so years, except people have been tired of COD for ages while GTA always gets people passionate so that makes things worse.

 

Which reminds me: Doom 3 goes on my list too. Atmospheric and scary as f*ck and people complained about all the wrong things. The torchlight mechanic? Amazing. Yes it didn't make sense but it worked so well from the gameplay perspective.

Edited by RogerWho

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Basically look at any of Osho's post: anything and everything that's bad about anything, GTA IV is cited as an example. That was basically the internet in '08 - '09

Oh. Lol.

So, you mean all that is STILL not happening in soo.. many posts that cite V as an example on a daily basis to avenge what happened in '08 - '09 by making others also undergo the same suffering as them in 2016???

Very cute, really nice!!!

 

OT:

- POP Warrior Within. All I know is there were a lot of criticisms about the game not living up to the first. For me the first was quite boring. Warrior Within was a much better game and quite fun which I still replay at times.

- Splinter Cell Double Agent. One of those very rare games that should be played on the console because of the horrible PC port, but even then I don't think the game got enough appreciation in its day. Its personally my favorite splinter cell.

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:D Well you gotta admit, V doesn't have it nearly as bad, not outside this forum anyway. Nobody really talks about it. With IV you even had that Jack Thompson guy stirr up the pot so it was regularly even in traditional news, outside of any game/tech talks.

 

Speaking of Splinter Cell, not really hated but completely forgotten is Pandora Tomorrow. I think it's the best of the first 3 honestly. CT was awesome mechanically and beautiful aesthetically but when I replayed the trilogy, it didn't seem as interesting as PT. Shame nobody cares about it, even to the degree that it's not even on Steam unlike all the other Cells. There's some lighting bug in one level and they wouldn't bother fixing it.

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GTA III

GTA Vice City

Zelda: A Link to the Past

Resident Evil: Revelations

Dead Island

Final Fantasy X-2

True Crime - Christmas 03 did not disappoint.

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