Political Correctness

[sivispacem 21,585]

I'd be interested to see the contrast between the mission statement and the actual terms of service. Pretty sure there's a clause in the latter which basically says "we reserve the right to do effectively whatever we want with your account and its contents". 

[Eutyphro 3,098]

12 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Pretty sure there's a clause in the latter which basically says "we reserve the right to do effectively whatever we want with your account and its contents". 

Yeah, I think there's an almost certainty nearing probability that this is effectively the case.

Edited November 9, 2018 by Eutyphro

[Clem Fandango 5,174]

The content of the videos in the abstract didn't get him banned, the mass-sharing and wanking from right-wing gamers did.

 

Shirrako is a smirking c*nt who only posts raw gameplay footage with incredibly spoilery titles and thumbnails. f*ck him. 

[Grotti Vigilante 1,287]

5 hours ago, Clem Fandango said:

The content of the videos in the abstract didn't get him banned, the mass-sharing and wanking from right-wing gamers did.

That just makes the thing more ridiculous then. How is it on the YouTube user who uploaded the video if people began to share it? 

[Eutyphro 3,098]

It's a common smear tactic on the left to pretend that the makers of content they do not like are responsible for everything everyone engaging with that content says or does. It makes no sense at all, but this is common.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Eutyphro

[Clem Fandango 5,174]

It's common? How often are you discussing youtubers getting banned? 

 

I'm just explaining why it happened. I don't care. This- like almost all examples of PC gone mad- is some bureaucratic corporate knee jerk. 

[make total destroy 20,239]

6 hours ago, Eutyphro said:

It's a common smear tactic on the left to pretend that the makers of content they do not like are responsible for everything everyone engaging with that content says or does. 

I mean, it's pretty obvious the video was made just to pander to anti-feminist Gamergate types--or just self-described gamers in general, I guess. It was tailored specifically for the kind of people that send rape and death threats to women game developers and critics on Twitter, or who stab their roommates to death and then run people over with their car because no woman will willingly have sex with them. I'm not gonna shed a tear because some so-called content creator didn't get his adsense money from a video of him playing a f*cking video game. I don't really give a sh*t. At the end of the day, Google is a private company and they can more-or-less do what they want with their platforms. If you have a problem with that, blame capitalism, not 'the left'--which this has literally nothing to do with, as per usual. 

[Eutyphro 3,098]

10 hours ago, make total destroy said:

Google is a private company and they can more-or-less do what they want with their platforms. If you have a problem with that, blame capitalism, not 'the left'--which this has literally nothing to do with, as per usual. 

You're confusing several different arguments and pretending they are the same. I have never blamed 'the left' for censorship from Google, as that would be completely incoherent.

[Grotti Vigilante 1,287]

16 hours ago, make total destroy said:

I mean, it's pretty obvious the video was made just to pander to anti-feminist Gamergate types--or just self-described gamers in general, I guess. It was tailored specifically for the kind of people that send rape and death threats to women game developers and critics on Twitter, or who stab their roommates to death and then run people over with their car because no woman will willingly have sex with them. 

How do you know that? Is that just your personal take on the situation or has there been some leaked source confirming this was the context behind the video's creation? This very same user has a video of killing Ku Klux Klan members, so given this person seems to have "tailored" to the people you described alongside the ultra-extremists who think everyone who is to the right of Stalin is a racist, I'd say he's just a sh*tposter who likes things edgy, rather than someone who wants to cater to people who are nothing short of psychopaths.

 

16 hours ago, make total destroy said:

At the end of the day, Google is a private company and they can more-or-less do what they want with their platforms. If you have a problem with that, blame capitalism, not 'the left'--which this has literally nothing to do with, as per usual. 

Nothing to do with it? You do know that Vice News is a left-wing leaning news source that reported on this thing in the first place, right? I wouldn't expect anyone but the left to create such an outrage over someone abusing a suffragette in a video game, and nor would I expect anyone other than an overthinking left-winger to make out that the video is a reflection over how the people who liked the video and play the game somehow support violence against women. The article went as far as to say that gaming culture was ensconced in blatant misogyny.

 

So again, who but a left-winger would go as far as to make out that something as simple as someone uploading a video of them doing over-the-top things in a video game was a reflection over gaming culture as a whole? I've been a gamer for years, pretty much all my life even, and I really don't appreciate being tarnished with a brush by some self-righteous bleeding heart moral busybody whose never even met me, or in fact the majority of gamers. I've never attempted to murder a woman in my lifetime, nor have I ever tried to feed them to alligators or pigs. 

[Eutyphro 3,098]

3 hours ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Is that just your personal take on the situation or has there been some leaked source confirming this was the context behind the video's creation?

He's already admitted on the previous page that intent and context don't really matter to him anyway, so then he might as well make it up.

[Switch 836]

I watched the video and i felt no type of way, because it's a video game and i don't really care what people do to NPCs in video games that give you the choice to kill or hurt anyone. Where it goes from edgy to bad, for me, is when people in the comment section of that video start writing hateful things that have nothing to do with the video game. I get why youtube removed his channel, it's bad press and not a good look, but since they choose to ban him in the first place they should have kept it that way. I guess this is the extent of "discrimination" against men since it's always about f*cking video games and youtube lmao.

 

Edited November 17, 2018 by Switch

[Guest]

<disclaimer>I might be tripinng.  

 

I'm pretty sure it's account was reactivated a few hours after being sin binned.   Either way it's a over reaction by the general public and the powers at Youtube.  People need to distinguish between reality and fiction. 

[Brobinski 516]

On 11/23/2018 at 4:48 PM, Purevil said:

<disclaimer>I might be tripinng.  

 

I'm pretty sure it's account was reactivated a few hours after being sin binned.   Either way it's a over reaction by the general public and the powers at Youtube.  People need to distinguish between reality and fiction. 

 

I'm not gonna weigh in on the banning of the account, because that's not the issue I want to address in this post, although it is potentially troublesome.

 

What I do want to comment on is the line of

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People need to distinguish between reality and fiction. 

This isn't your classic "Violent media makes people violent" argument that we're so used to having about media. This case is about people's reactions to media.

 

What is worrying about the whole situation is not that a company created a game where you have the opportunity to beat up a suffragette, especially considering there is no benefit or incentive associated with to doing so (at least, in game). What is worrying is how people took that image and capitalised on it. It was viewed over a million times and if you go and look at the comments on the video you'll be able to find some people who would very much agree with similar actions taking place in the real world.

 

Fiction holds up a mirror to the world in which it was created. Interactive media does not only that but holds a mirror up directly to the consumer themselves.

 

The story here wasn't ever really that Rockstar made a game where you could beat up a suffragette (the fiction), the story was the shocking amount of steam a video about doing so picked up, and what that tells us about a percentage population as a whole (the reality).

 

Fiction and reality are obviously separate, but don't make the mistake of thinking they're completely divorced from one another.

Edited December 1, 2018 by Brobinski

[Eutyphro 3,098]

The main reason people found harming the suffragette so enjoyable is because it is taboo. And the taboo atmosphere was boosted to a massive degree by the attempt at censorship. If harming the ingame white supremacists was as taboo, then this would've received similar large publicity.

 

There is an army of resentful incels that want to see feminists harmed. Sure. It's a factor. But another large factor is mainstream politically correct enforcement of taboos.

[Clem Fandango 5,174]

That it's about transgressing taboos is a pretty wanky analysis. Some people probably thought it was funny because she's positioned such that you hear her when customising your character at the tailor (coupled with the game's bad acoustics that makes everyone sound like they're right next to you) and only has one line. Almost all of the people sharing and commenting on the video though were like "lol feminazi c*nts ruining video games."

 

You really should reflect on your priorities or you're going to realise one day looking back that you spent a pivotal historical moment for civil rights complaining about gamers getting banned on youtube. 

[Eutyphro 3,098]

On 12/3/2018 at 3:11 AM, Clem Fandango said:

That it's about transgressing taboos is a pretty wanky analysis.

nice argumentum ad wankum
 

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Almost all of the people sharing and commenting on the video though were like "lol feminazi c*nts ruining video games."

Might be due to feminists demonizing young men, and feminists that don't even game themselves demonizing gaming culture. You want to rant about toxic incels, but you don't acknowledge toxic feminists (because you for whatever motive pander to them). Try acknowledging both, and you get the complete picture.
 

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You really should reflect on your priorities or you're going to realise one day looking back that you spent a pivotal historical moment for civil rights complaining about gamers getting banned on youtube.

Fighting against censorship on online media platforms is actually important and productive. Assaulting police officers in the streets with your face covered isn't.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Eutyphro