Honestly think shark cards ruined rockstar.

[brose_sfr]

GTAO is the best product R* has put out to date.

 

it is also the only product that offers Sharkbait.

 

I'd say the pesky cards helped make the game great.

[aaronBLUEeyes]

I've been playing GTA since the first game came out around 1997-98. It became my favorite video game series of all time. I completed every game 100% even going as far as getting level 10 in GTA 4 multilayer. (which takes forf*ckingever) Now fast forward to 2013. GTA 5 comes out, and soon after, Online. Now in the beginning the prices for everything were reasonable. Hell in the first update, everything was free. But now every update costs an arm and a leg. Almost 20k for an average item of clothing and almost 100k for a full outfit. Cars are ridiculously expensive to fully modify, and making money in game takes forever. The culprit for this? Shark Cards. The microtransactions where rockstar gets most of their profit now. When you're playing legit without shark cards or money glitches, it's pretty much impossible to stay above a million dollars. I've lost a whole damn lot of respect for rockstar over their greed with the shark cards. I hope one day they can go back to the old ways.

Forgot to mention that I also believe shark cards to be the reason we didn't get the single player dlc we were promised. Remember 2014 when they announced it? Yeah still not here, due to the success of GTA online.

This should be in bitch and moan thread, as prices have increased so has the opportunity to make millions.

 

On launch players had a difficult time making $500k in weeks let alone a cool million, today players can make a million in less than a day in several ways from selling CEO cargo, to exporting cars, to MC business sales, to heists and x2 $$$ events.

 

Without Shark Cards there would be a subscription system, fact, for Rockstar had an interview on the subject and disclosed they explored subscriptions and micro transactions to maintain and profit from GtaOnline. They choose correctly because subscription services for games like WOW and ESO were under allot of controversy and console players at large refused to pay a subscription fee.

 

Just play the game, have fun, and save up to buy what you want.

[Mokrie Dela]

Guys opinion is still valid. It also echos my own. I didn't play online often, except during the first six month. I grinded and managed to get a ahitty apartment, then a better one. Then the transfer bonus helped me get a penthouse. I found the slog to get money tedious, and unrewarding, so when I got the opportunity to make a hundred mil via an exploit, I took it. I was never going to buy a shark card; I just wanted to enjoy the game and have fun, and the grind to earn money back then was boring to me

 

I see the updates as two things:

 

1)imho, they're small, half assed packs. Very little interesting in many of them for me. I see them as a way to get revenue; half ass a dlc and make people want to buy the stuff in it via shark cards. And it works.

 

2) the shark card system has given us free dlc. My above point is ehy I think we never got sp dlc, but at least they're not charging to download these miniscule packs. In that sense, we can't complain.

 

 

The problem is that rockstar had set such a high standard with a couple of their games, such that we expect more, and that's fair enough. I don't think rockstar put any effort or pride into the dlcs, screwed over the SP gamers (none of these dlc cars are available in SP, and some of the systems in gtao aren't available in sp either (setting personal vehicle for example). I think even the sp story was written without them from going past second gear.

[Tomdon]

Rockstar is a business. The goal of any business is profit. Its rather simple.

[Mokrie Dela]

Rockstar is a business. The goal of any business is profit. Its rather simple.

And despite my reservations, they've got a brilliant business model, and I see RDR following suit... they'd be stupid not to from a business sense

[egomaniac247]

Rockstar is a business. The goal of any business is profit. Its rather simple.

 

 

Exactly. They do not exist for your philanthropy. They exist to make money. I bought this game over 3 years ago.....and I still play it almost daily because of how often they've kept it updated. They don't force me to pay real money for the privilege of doing so but offer me the option IF I WANT IT.

 

I fail to see a downside here. Rock on Rockstar, you Rock!

[aaronBLUEeyes]

Guys opinion is still valid. It also echos my own. I didn't play online often, except during the first six month. I grinded and managed to get a ahitty apartment, then a better one. Then the transfer bonus helped me get a penthouse. I found the slog to get money tedious, and unrewarding, so when I got the opportunity to make a hundred mil via an exploit, I took it. I was never going to buy a shark card; I just wanted to enjoy the game and have fun, and the grind to earn money back then was boring to me

 

I see the updates as two things:

 

1)imho, they're small, half assed packs. Very little interesting in many of them for me. I see them as a way to get revenue; half ass a dlc and make people want to buy the stuff in it via shark cards. And it works.

 

2) the shark card system has given us free dlc. My above point is ehy I think we never got sp dlc, but at least they're not charging to download these miniscule packs. In that sense, we can't complain.

 

 

The problem is that rockstar had set such a high standard with a couple of their games, such that we expect more, and that's fair enough. I don't think rockstar put any effort or pride into the dlcs, screwed over the SP gamers (none of these dlc cars are available in SP, and some of the systems in gtao aren't available in sp either (setting personal vehicle for example). I think even the sp story was written without them from going past second gear.

I disagree to a point and feel the updates have become more robust with time, until heists were released ALL the updates were focused on possessions mostly with very little game play content changes.

 

However, since the leap to CG each update has added more playable content, from free roam challenges, to adversary modes, to stunt races, to CEO/VIP, to MCs and everything in between.

 

The game rewards longevity and players earning sizable money over time. Too many people focus on earning money more than having fun and playing. Play the things you like to play and money adds up quickly.

 

SP gaming is dead IMO, players want to play with and against other users more than the converse. I think co-op PVE will replace traditional SP content, but still not be as predominate as multiplayer titles.

 

Additionally, companies can yield more from the online experience allowing a game to last years; whereas, a SP game is done when most people beat it in a relatively short time and then it's over. Minus the fanatics who are into speed runs and new game plus content.

 

That's why Rockstar North completely morphed it's studio to focus chiefly on GtaOnline because that's where the demand and the money is.

Edited January 4, 2017 by aaronBLUEeyes

[YlQP..]

Late but here's my two cents.

 

I don't know why this thread hasn't been locked yet and sent to the B&M or Wishlist Thread. But since Bikers came out, few months ago, which is why I mentioned locked, you can earn millions by grinding Biker Missions and they're really easy so I don't understand why you are too lazy to grind unless you have a full time job that let's you play once a week.

 

And blame the modders for causing this, R* doesn't care about legit users anymore, hell, they can raise the price of one simple outfit to 1,000,000 GTA$ if they wanted. They've turned this game into a joke when it comes to typical lobbies.

 

Anyone who calls someone a hacker for giving money to others on GTA:O deserves to get a slap in the face real hard.

[Xiled]

Reason singleplayer games are slowly disappearing is because of game developers making 6 hour stories where you watch cutscenes for a lot of it and have quicktime events. They all focus on online games with preorder "deals", having "betas" a month before official game launch, "deluxe" editions, season passes to get "dlc" that is ripped from the final version to be sold back to you for an additional $50. Last thing we want them to do is have subscription based games to "pay" for dedicated servers and paid dlcs and the headache of drm.

 

People may actually support the game if we had servers that didn't give you daily issues, let alone the last 2 weeks of saving failed messages. Maybe if they didn't lock off vehicles in new updates for 2 months just for the sake of making people wait to buy later. Maybe if they actually balanced things in game and actually fixed dozens of bugs and glitches people would be more supportive. Maybe if you didn't have to wait for so many loading screens the game wouldn't feel like so much of a grind. Like play an adversary mode a round of whatever lasts like a few minutes and than you go back to clouds and wait for the next round to start.

 

Not the modders fault that R* let them transfer modded accounts for a year and a half without checking if they were legit or not. Shark cards were shown you could buy them in the online tutorial cutscene before you even played the first race and this was a month before beach bum dlc where everything was 100% free until the Highlife dlc. They waited to turn them on until December when they got there terrible launch under control.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Xiled

[iddqdvie]

other than the fact shark cards are optional and do not effect the game in any way...

 

what op fails to realize is that all the stuff that were free and reasonably priced are still available in the game, they have not been taken away...

 

Its the NEW stuff that cost more..the fancy stuff, the stuff that sets you apart and adds to your in game personality...you know the stuff they made AFTER the game's release...the stuff that performs or looks better than the previous..

 

When they said they want it to be a growing economy every1 was creaming their pants, not knowing how any form of economy actually works...

 

as the game's life goes on... people will earn more and more money...of course newer, better things will cost more...there are players that splurge out and buy every thing, every update while barely making a dent in their account...

 

and for those that can barely afford, it gives them an incentive, something to play for, grind for whatever you wanna call it, which in turn keeps this game popular...

 

You don't HAVE to buy any of the new items, you are not forced to play any game mode...its all choice...

 

 

 

you are just super nostalgic about past GTAs which is cool but imagine the kids playing now...imagine how sick this is for them, back when everything felt newer, back when you were young excited and more easily impressed...shark cards never hurt nobody...

Aaaaand another lost sheep. You guys believe in god too? hm? yeah, thought so!

[Jimrod]

I think the only things which have really "ruined" GTA were the amount of glitched billions early on (which I think artificially inflated prices for those who didn't cheat) and the fact that in a game based entirely around THEFT you have to BUY nearly every decent vehicle.

[Xiled]

Oh its only nostalgia apparently that's why I like playing the older ones so much to this day. Apparently more features and less restrictions is a bad thing. Never stopped playing gta games since I started playing them many years ago. Still impressed with them now as much as I did when I was younger. Only major thing that changed in them were the graphics which are like a added bonus as the years go on. Until gta v where literally all they improved were the graphics while downgrading a lot of the things that made gta as a franchise unique and different from so many companies.

 

Buy theft Auto Online is a more fitting name for gta online

Edited January 5, 2017 by Xiled

[DeniLHell]

only thing ruining GTA are (online) modders, money glitchers etc.

only thing shark cards are doing is giving lazy and/or impatient people options to get what they want earlier/without working for it.

so tired of those shark card discussions...

oh yes rockstar is so greedy ... that's why we have no subscription fee to pay, get free DLC's, can buy everything with in game currency, etc ...

yes things are getting more expensive - but as mentioned before people can earn money a lot faster now.

If you can't afford everything immediately there's a word called "end-game-content" for it.

but OH NO that means we need to invest some time to get what we want - Unbelievable ... "Modder here? can you drop money plz?"

 

-.-

[Donnie Danko]

 

Rockstar is a business. The goal of any business is profit. Its rather simple.

And despite my reservations, they've got a brilliant business model, and I see RDR following suit... they'd be stupid not to from a business sense

So, they're going to sell us three new horses every couple of weeks?

[.Vooodu.]

As everyone already pointed out. Cash cards did ruin this game.

 

Every aspect of GTA O is built around cash card and balancing payouts. Every single thing.. From Insurance to forced public games.

 

 

Also.. cash cards killed GTA V dlc's. As in.. there is NONE. Not f*ckin one DLC. The game company that basically set the standard on high qaulity DLC such as Undead Nightmare... Gay Tony and Lost and Damned sold out to cash cards.

 

Make a couple missions... Make a couple high priced vehicles. Make a hype video.. Profit.

 

 

Hope they don't ruin Red Dead... But i think Red Dead will be more of a normal game with no cash card baiting. I think Red Dead will serve as the cool down before GTA 6.

 

And GTA 6 will be twice as bad as this game currently is when it comes to cash grabbing.

[woteva]

Honestly. I think Shark Cards makes R* continue.

 

So nobody bought a shark card. How did R* make so much cash? If i get sick of grinding, i will play something else.

 

Shark Cards didn't ruin GTAO. They kept it alive. (But they killed SPDLC for sure.)

 

The new stuff got cheaper (forget the special vehicles, they are fun but absoluteley unnecessary, still better than the yacht). Why. Great White (+ an afternoon of vip work for upgrades and the feeling you earned it).

 

The useful stuff is cheap. Always was. Cheapest office, mc, warehouse will do. Kuruma for missions and DO and the Buzzard.

 

The game is not new. Every gamer should know about sales by now (or be able to google).

 

Last week i joined a 'stock-car' race, no own vehicles, no slipstream and no catch-up. Pure fun and highly competitive. Same amount of money. Glad i didn't quit.

 

Making DOs, avoiding FR and doing VIP Work gives you a lot of money without that grindfeeling. Doing this with two chars but focus only on one for the needs and wants.

Edited January 5, 2017 by woteva

[Foppezão]

Yesterday after work, I won 700k with races alone (premium and double $ with normal stunt races in full lobbies), then I have some meth product left and half a garage of cars to export. Making money was never so easy and yet so fun to do..

If you'd come with this statement when we're grinding coveted and rooftoop rumble, I'd agree.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Foppezão

[aaronBLUEeyes]

As everyone already pointed out. Cash cards did ruin this game.

 

 

Stop saying everyone because you're wrong. Only some believe what you do.

 

The rest, like myself, don't agree with that statement and therefore is not everyone.

 

There's nothing wrong with cash cards, buy them if you want to or don't.... The choice is yours.

 

Cash is king in the game just like reality, after lvl 120 it's the only thing that matters.

 

If you play regularly you should be doing just fine and not even need to buy one.

Edited January 5, 2017 by aaronBLUEeyes

[brose_sfr]

the DLC for GTA4 & RDR were great, but short.

 

there was nothing about them that kept anyone playing them once completed.

 

they've done a great job with GTAO & I hope they contunie this path for future GTA titles.

 

a DLC for RDR2 will probably happen since there's not a whole lot they could put in the online world & that's fine, but if they would have stuck to the GTA4 model, I would have been done with the game 2 years ago.

[BlackMilk]

Ruined Rockstar? I think they're still in business and doing good. Game's not exactly ruined either, still enjoying it quite a lot.

Just more drama from people who want everything quickly and can't be bothered to put in the time to get stuff. I would be more tactful about it as I generally try to avoid upsetting people, but this is all it really is. If you refrain from making threads like these and instead take a few minutes to look at some of the other threads around that people created to help other players quickly make money (CaliMeatWagon for example, and all contributors in threads like his) you could've gotten a fortune already.

 

It's not hard to stay above one million. Even if you're playing alone. It's hardly surprising that people complain about prices when at the same time a lot of people (can't remember if it's the same crowd, but it does say something about us) have said numerous times that they did stuff like purchasing literally every single Pegasus vehicle available. What's wrong with not wanting everything immediately?

If you're going to be playing an online game for a long time, why do you have to have everything NOW? Why not tomorrow or next week?

 

Hell, I'm a collector who transferred over from PS3 and I think people are too crazy about this. Four characters with (back there) three full garages each. I'm sticking with one account now but damn well aim to fill up all my properties over time. Thing is, I already have well over sixty vehicles combined and while those vehicles I don't yet have are tempting to buy, I still have all those others to enjoy. And ofcourse playing the game itself with some nice people from time to time.

 

Slow the hell down and enjoy the journey and all that. It's not all about the destination.

[Nick1020]

You know if ea or Activision owned this franchise, we'd be paying for every dlc plus shark cards. It's not that hard making money. In fact, rockstar even do sales to give people a chance to buy something they'll never use ie yachts or super voleto. If you really want something, it's not that hard to work for it.

 

Edit: OK maybe for the Ruiner 2000 but you don't have to buy it you know.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Nick1020

[Bxx]

Aaaaand another lost sheep. You guys believe in god too? hm? yeah, thought so!

Boy that's hella edgy.

You can hear Linkin Park playing in distance.

[Mokrie Dela]

Nothing wrong with Linkin Park. Except the hunting party...

 

I wonder how much of this GTAo revenue will be invested in RDR? Will that game be the ultimate like many of us thought GTA v would be? Or will it just be set up to be a fiscal pleaser?

 

One thing that can give SP games more life (that I'm amazed rockstar haven't done) is a branching storyline, a true one where your choices do matter, not half assed like gtaiv's so-called branching story...

[Dr Labuschagne]

I don't understand why this is still up? The fact is, if we didn't have Sharkcards every DLC would have had a price tag. Besides these are optional, no one is pointing a gun to your head and saying you should buy one. You can still grind to reach your target...

[_PANiC_]

I don't understand why this is still up? The fact is, if we didn't have Sharkcards every DLC would have had a price tag. Besides these are optional, no one is pointing a gun to your head and saying you should buy one. You can still grind to reach your target...

 

Cash cards should be there as an option for people who a) Wants something quicker than it takes to earn b) Just doesn't have the time to game to keep up with cost of items in updates (Yes these people exist, saying "tough sh*t, dont play" to these people just makes you a major dickhead) c) NEW PLAYERS! who just cant keep up with friends who have been playing for years and should have a fair priced option to "catch up"

 

If they released all the major updates as paid for DLC they could only really charge between £6.99 - £12.99. Which when you consider to actually buy the contents of most updates would cost you over £100 real money in cash cards or literally hours and hours of grinding the game! cash cards doesn't feel like great value for anyone.

 

I would rather they charged for the crappy updates and made them completely optional, i mean how many would most people of usactually bought! i could of passed on around 95% of them so far .But their unfair and unreasonable pricing/ in-game earing model makes more money for them via cash cards, fair enough, but please stop trying to glitter a turd when it comes to fairness or value for money with cash cards and GTAO updates

 

tldr - Cash cards havent ruined Rockstar, its great model for them. Cash Cards are unreasonably priced and thats ruined the game for a lot of people. Great for you if your not one them.

Edited January 6, 2017 by _PANiC_

[FaultyDroid]

People are far too quick to forget they are getting free updates, hours & hours of content for a three year old last-gen title. Shark cards are an option, no one is forcing you to pay anything. Oh & inb4: "i paid $60 for GTAV" because the game we have now in GTAO was not what was intended or promised when GTAV was released. If R* took the subscription route, or charged full-whack for bikers, import / export etc (like bungie did with destiny) then I could understand the constant bawwing..

 

edit: I will agree that shark cards are a bit overpriced for some though. Though one does have to wonder if there are so many money glitchers because things are so expensive (as seems to be the common argument here) or maybe R* ramped up the prices of things like the Ruiner 2000 because they know at least 50% of their userbase are walking around with billions in their accounts?

Edited January 6, 2017 by FaultyDroid

[Maibatsu545]

I am so f*cking sick of seeing the "it's free!" argument. The data is free to download. To actually acquire the items you have to pay in GTA funbux, and the only way you can collect the MASSIVE amounts needed for the overpriced items in this game is to either pay for shark cards or sink way, way too many hours playing the same f*cking missions over and over and over like it's your job because they pay you peanuts in comparison. I've given up on GTAForums though honestly. They would pay Rockstar for any rip off that comes their way, and would still kiss Rockstar's ass on top of it. Thankfully people outside of the deluded bootlickers on this forum are waking up to the bullsh*t that Rockstar has pulled, and thank God for that.

 

You are in fact paying for it, either with your real money, or your time. Nothing is free.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Maibatsu545

[Godmother]

ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD...doesn't mean sh*t if you're playing in an EMPTY SANDBOX

 

Have everything in this game...still bored with a HUGE map and NOONE around

 

if EVERYONE PLAYING THIS GAME was GIVEN EVERYTHING...they would get bored real quick

 

SHANK CARDS aren't the problem...

 

LAZY GAME DESIGN...too busy counting their money instead of transforming a USELESS DESERT environment into a USEFUL ONE...AND ADDING MORE THAN 32 PLAYERS

 

"imagine going to a big dance club...and it's empty...only a tiny amount of people are in there...in the bathroom" - and the asshole griefer in the jet

 

...the future looks bright for the gaming industry...eventually...WE'LL HAVE THE GAME WE DESERVE

 

"everywhere I go...I'll see a player doin somethin" - thousands of players in a session

Edited January 6, 2017 by Godmother

[trhacker01]

Never have and never will buy a shark card, and thankfully I have that option. Meanwhile those cards are why they still invest in this game and it's still relevant. Things have become way overpriced and money has become way easy to make. Rooftop rumble doesn't cut it anymore and I'm alright with that.

[.Vooodu.]

Meanwhile those cards are why they still invest in this game

 

 

Of course.. Cash cards are why they keep putting out updates that are tied to cash cards..

 

Cash cards are why this game is so restrictive.

ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD...doesn't mean sh*t if you're playing in an EMPTY SANDBOX

 

Have everything in this game...still bored with a HUGE map and NOONE around

 

if EVERYONE PLAYING THIS GAME was GIVEN EVERYTHING...they would get bored real quick

 

 

 

I disagree with this...

 

I mean. I would not get bored if i have everything. ( I don't play sober tho)

 

I do get bored grinding the same sh*t over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and over. And over...

 

 

Just to buy somethings... And then start all over again.

 

 

It really depends on what kind of player you are.

 

 

I say cash cards did ruin this game on a more grounded/game play level. Because the prices are high.. in order to entice you to buy the cash cards.

 

Which means unless you grind, glitch or buy cash cards. You won't have much.

Edited January 6, 2017 by .Vooodu.