GTA_stu Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 It looks like it pretty much already has failed. I think the orchestrators of the coup were probably gambling on more initial support from the population and possibly the international community. But straight away it was condemned by leaders and there seemed to be far more Turkish people protesting against the coup in the streets instead of supporting it. So they completely misread the situation. Eutyphro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyspoid Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Is there any legitimate word on the intentions of those staying the coup? From what I read it seemed that they wanted to increase security and prevent further acts of terror? If this is the case it will be interesting to see how they go about enforcing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownBear Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) As much as I dislike Erdogan and would prefer a secular Western Turkey, he is the democratically elected president. If you believe in democracy you should condemn the coup. Sometimes people will vote for an authoritarian Islamist, it's not always the choice you want. That isn't the way it works. It's a hard situation, because Turkey is an extremely divided country. It struggles with it's identity of being a supposedly secular, Westernised country and the fact it is a majority Muslim country. Generally speaking, the young, educated and urban Turks, particularly on the West Coast, are left wing and Anti-Erdogan. However, the majority of Turkish people are often poorly educated, religious and rural; it is this group which generally supports Erdogan. Of course, with two main groups with radically different views, this is a major problem. I am completely against Erdogan and if this is the only way to overthrow him, I think it has to be done, this situation is far from new in Turkey. However, this was not the right time to destabilise the country in such a way. Sources seem very conflicted right now, it seems like the government are saying it's been tackled, while the military are saying they've overthrown the government. Edited July 16, 2016 by BrownBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowDude Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) One of the worst organized coup attempts I have ever heard of or witnessed. Why the hell are ALL important politicians of the government running around freely during the coup? How is the "ousted" president able to appear in the media when the armed forces announce that they have taken over the state? Why does the military start assaulting Erdogan's hotel JUST after he left it? Why the hell does the military take actions only in the two biggest cities and nowhere else? Did they really think that they could take over Turkey with a handful of F-16 jets and less than 1000 soldiers? Why did they only seize one TV channel (TRT) but left the all the AKP-friendly channels like ATV untouched? I don't know man, smells like a staged show to me, but we'll know more when the days pass I guess... One thing can be said for sure: If Erdogan emerges victorious out of this, he will have removed the last hindrances on his way to the presidential-"democracy" he's been wanting to establish for so long. Edited July 16, 2016 by KnowDude DarkSavageDeathlyCloud, Platypus Chairlines and Eutyphro 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnClay Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 So why is this all happening in the first place? I don't even know where Turkey actually is on a map, so excuse my lack of knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaundi. Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 A coup in Turkey is long overdue. Bit of a shame it failed. Sunrise Driver and Skeever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svip Posted July 16, 2016 Author Share Posted July 16, 2016 Police are arresting soldiers that attempted the coup. Pro-Erdogan fighter shot down a pro-coup helicopter over Ankara. I believe this coup attempt will fail. To moderators: Please add the word 'attempt' after 'coup d'état' in the title. You and your liberal BS. Main TV station shut down, Parliament bombed Capital City is locked down Most populated city is in chaos President in hiding. Successful coup, but a better question instead of forcing 'attempted' is how long the coup will last for How was this a successful coup? They had the state TV station for 2-3 hours. I learnt of the coup attempt around 23:00 CEST, around 01:30, it was apparent the coup was failing. When you made your post, this should also be apparent to you. Unless, of course, you just didn't want to see the writing on the wall. slimeball supreme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughtius Maximus Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) It was such a clusterf*ck down here last night. The last night, I was out, walking down the neighborhood. Then my dad called me and told me to come home immediately. Well, I rushed to my home right away because my dad didn't tell me anything as talking about the situation in an open language would be problematic, y'know the wire might be tapped and all that stuff. Later, I got home and my dad said that there's a military coup taking place most probably. At first, there's was an athmosphere from which you can tell that there can be really a coup taking place. Y'know, tanks, ambulances, helicopters wandering around huge cities shown in news, cops and soldiers clashing with each other. However, the way the things took shape in about one or two hours later made me wonder if it's "really" a coup (but honestly, I've had my doubts before). Because it's a little bit cheesy when there were politicians all over the TV making statements... and the cheesiest of all was that those aforementioned politicians or people are mostly related to the government in a way or two. All this made me think that "if it's an unauthorized military coup not given permission by the govenment itself, why there are goverment associates all over the TV, giving speeches freely instead of hiding". I mean, in that case, they should have been cracked down almost in a moment. I personally believe that this was nothing more than a hoax carried out by Erdogan himself to give him an excuse for dominating his "one-man" regime. And the worst thing is that it's like making choice between two bad guys; I mean Turkey has not much of good memories with military taking charge earlier in date, but on the other hand, there's this guy in power whom even the people that saw 1980 military coup say that is worse than Kenan Evren himself... damn. Edited July 16, 2016 by Loosestring slimeball supreme and KnowDude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmilano Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Eight Turish soldiers escaped to Greece with helicopter and seek asylum. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-turkish-military-helicopter-greece-soldiers-requests-asylum-lands-troops-latest-a7140431.html Rebels took one frigate and kidnapped a commander of Turkish Navy. http://en.israel-today.ru/reuters-rebels-took-the-ship-and-kidnapped-the-commander-of-the-turkish-navy.html So far it seems that some 265 people died on both sides. Turkish PM even threatening with reintroduction of Death Penalty again. Still it seems that Coup failed and there will be a purge in Turkish Army and other institutions. And Erdogan will use this to get rid of all oponnents,who participated and who didn't,so both secularists and Gulen supporters will be under attack. And it seems that Erdogan still have large support so any regime change won't happen soon. Too bad for so much victims,these days human life become wery cheap in this world. Edited July 16, 2016 by acmilano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caysle Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 fiction Platypus Chairlines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutyphro Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) One of the worst organized coup attempts I have ever heard of or witnessed. Why the hell are ALL important politicians of the government running around freely during the coup? How is the "ousted" president able to appear in the media when the armed forces announce that they have taken over the state? Why does the military start assaulting Erdogan's hotel JUST after he left it? Why the hell does the military take actions only in the two biggest cities and nowhere else? Did they really think that they could take over Turkey with a handful of F-16 jets and less than 1000 soldiers? Why did they only seize one TV channel (TRT) but left the all the AKP-friendly channels like ATV untouched? Haha, you are right. It reminds me of how Turkey played against Spain in the Euros. It was utterly chanceless and crappy. To those who say it was fake, I'm sure dozens of people died and there were gunfights in the street in a fake coup attempt, yeah right. Edited July 16, 2016 by Eutyphro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmilano Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 This one is... NSFW;a soldier beheaded on Istanbul bridge: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkish-soldier-beheaded-pro-government-8433319?ICID=FB_mirror_main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Either Turkish military top brass that orchestrated this "Coup attempt" had their fingers up their asses and spontaneously forgot all their strategic training and basic common sense or this was less a well planned coup than a well planned ploy, perhaps a takeover attempt the Erdogan regime were informed of way ahead of it coming to pass, or maybe the plotters were really just that daft. Whatever the truth might be it has presented a golden opportunity for up-until-now semi-Dictator Erdogan giving him carte blanche to double down on his already deplorable record of human rights abuses, execute instead of imprison his political rivals and perhaps most damningly of all rewrite the constitution as he sees fit, pretty much allowing him to go full-on Dictator and his supporters will laud him for it like never before. – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigsters Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 A friend of mine in my building mentioned in are phone conversation earlier on about the coup that America has Nuclear weapons in Turkey, but I never heard that anywhere else except from him, he said the Canadian CTV mentioned nukes there in there news last night, note my friend has minor brain damage from tumors being removed from his head every five to ten years and is forgetful and mixed up at times!.. "You don't understand! I could've had class. I could've been a contender. I could've been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am." On the Waterfront 1954 M.Brando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_fan Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) The fact that the military didn't get hold of Erdogan first and also didn't shut down the media earlier so he couldn't tell the citizens to rebel in the street is perplexing. I thought that would be the first thing you would do in a situation like this. Edited July 16, 2016 by arsenal_fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svip Posted July 16, 2016 Author Share Posted July 16, 2016 Turkey has an estimated 50-90 B61 nuclear weapons at Incirlik Air Base. The weapons are actually owned by the United States, and it is the US military that controls them. It's a concept called nuclear sharing and the US is the only provider of nuclear weapons in that regard. Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and Italy also have similar arrangements. Also, I have learnt that Erdogan has fired 2700+ judges, most likely Gülen loyalists. I just cannot find an English language source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmilano Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) A friend of mine in my building mentioned in are phone conversation earlier on about the coup that America has Nuclear weapons in Turkey, but I never heard that anywhere else except from him, he said the Canadian CTV mentioned nukes there in there news last night, note my friend has minor brain damage from tumors being removed from his head every five to ten years and is forgetful and mixed up at times!.. http://thebulletin.org/status-us-nuclear-weapons-turkey Some 90 B61 American nuclear bombs are in Turkey,in Incirlik military base. Edit:and now that same base is under lockdown and power is cut off: https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Jul-16/362447-turkey-authorities-impose-lockdown-at-incirlik-air-base-us-consulate.ashx Edited July 16, 2016 by acmilano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutyphro Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 This one is... NSFW;a soldier beheaded on Istanbul bridge: I'm also seeing videos of many Erdogan supporters getting overrun by tanks. Those were some extreme scenes yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmilano Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) This one is... NSFW;a soldier beheaded on Istanbul bridge: I'm also seeing videos of many Erdogan supporters getting overrun by tanks. Those were some extreme scenes yesterday. I actually have to apology for jumping to conclusion.The soldier was not really beheaded and still alive on unedited video here: https://twitter.com/Sokakhaber5/status/754268069564977152 Propaganda is working wery much today. Edited July 16, 2016 by acmilano otachi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus Chairlines Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) One of the worst organized coup attempts I have ever heard of or witnessed. Why the hell are ALL important politicians of the government running around freely during the coup? How is the "ousted" president able to appear in the media when the armed forces announce that they have taken over the state? Why does the military start assaulting Erdogan's hotel JUST after he left it? Why the hell does the military take actions only in the two biggest cities and nowhere else? Did they really think that they could take over Turkey with a handful of F-16 jets and less than 1000 soldiers? Why did they only seize one TV channel (TRT) but left the all the AKP-friendly channels like ATV untouched? Like I thought, it's a play of f*cking AKP. To be honest at first it gave me the impression that it's going to be successful (though I was torn between of wishing it to be done or to be failed. Because while seeing a subversion is happening for real and most likely Erdogan is going down makes me glad, on the other hand I thought he should be gone with the popular will [which I don't really believe in from now on as the almost half -and they have increased- of the country are f*cking sheep] cause if the democracy derails once, it's almost impossible to take it back. But with a democracy like the one that the president carries out, it seems to me that we'll never reach a fine level of welfare. Anyway, let's get down to cases) But as the hours passed seeing Erdogan on some TV channels with his as unconvincing as ever speechs, I was doubtful of whether a real coup is taking place. How can the president be that free? Moreover, how can he be still around? There wasn't a huge panic and soldiers in the city I live, only in the capital and Istanbul. For f*cks sake, is that how a true coup should look like? Many crazy and ignorant people went out upon a call from Erdogan at the risk of being shot or even killed. How can they be that easygoing? They didn't think any bad outcome, after all they are the real the patriotics while the ones that don't leave their home for "him" aren't, right? Would patriotics attack their soldiers on the streets? I don't know, better ask it to them.In the end, it was a badly fictionalised piece of sh*t in which many innocent people have died for no reason at all. Nicely played, Erdogan. Edited July 17, 2016 by pavulabreaker KnowDude and Caysle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Well, my dad is in Turkey in the south in a city called Alanya. He said the airports are open, that people are on the streets, and that the country is fine. Idk about that though. Turkey will lose hella tourism though. Notice that the sh*t that happens in Turkey are in their big cities. Istanbul and Ankara. Edited July 16, 2016 by Chewie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoopy Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) fiction It was a prank bro ... On topic: Tribute to the Turkish people who foiled the coup, they had the courage to stand in front of tanks and fight for their democracy against the putschists. Edited July 16, 2016 by Shmoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutyphro Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 On topic: Tribute to the Turkish people who foiled the coup, they had the courage to stand in front of tanks and fight for their democracy against the putschists. Sadly most of those standing in front of tanks got smeared all over the pavement. If you want to see the proof of that go to liveleak.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Turkey may well have dodged a bullet. Oftentimes, these military strongmen types (Cromwell, Pinochet, and so on) don't work out very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoopy Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) On topic: Tribute to the Turkish people who foiled the coup, they had the courage to stand in front of tanks and fight for their democracy against the putschists. Sadly most of those standing in front of tanks got smeared all over the pavement. If you want to see the proof of that go to liveleak.. Links please ? Holy sh*t Eutyphro, WTF this I just see ? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=75e_1468646982 Edited July 16, 2016 by Shmoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Tribute to the Turkish people who foiled the coup, they had the courage to stand in front of tanks and fight for their democracy against the putschists. Courage to defend a demagogue, history is rife with such "heroic" sods. Also: Killing off party-critical media ahead of an election, imprisoning (and now seeking to execute) his political rivals or really anyone that dears question his authority, repressing of the Kurdish people and human rights abuses on a massive scale scream anything remotely resembling democracy to you? Tchuck, Moth, Eutyphro and 5 others 8 – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otachi Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Why you all act like conspiracy theorist you always made fun of?? The turkish people want their leader,those people who made the coup are going to be executed so no way erdogan planned this,i doubt anyone would get himself killed to make his leader more popular,he is already popular and very lovable among the majority of the turkish people. Shmoopy and slimeball supreme 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutyphro Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Links please ? Holy sh*t Eutyphro, WTF this I just see ? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=75e_1468646982 Yep, and that isn't even the only video like that.. Must've been a goddamn splatter spree. It's f*cking horrifying. @Raavi: You are absolutely 100% right, but that doesn't make it better for it to turn into a military dictatorship. The people were right to go to the streets. Like I said, the coup was a lose lose scenario. We get an even more dictatorial Erdogan now. If the coup succeeded there would have been military dictatorship. Both are absolutely horrible. These are bad developments for Turkey. Edited July 16, 2016 by Eutyphro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonox Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 In the meantime, I'll just pay my respects (assuming the coup was a real one) to the soldiers who had the courage to stand up for one of Turkey's traditional core values that is secularism, even while likely knowing that the Islamists supporting Erdogan would violently try to counter the attempt. Platypus Chairlines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 @Raavi: You are absolutely 100% right, but that doesn't make it better for it to turn into a military dictatorship. The people were right to go to the streets. Like I said, the coup was a lose lose scenario. We get an even more dictatorial Erdogan now. If the coup succeeded there would have been military dictatorship. Both are absolutely horrible. These are bad developments for Turkey. Oh no argument there, but I struggle to see, save for indeed a coup or Erdogan being brought up on charges and put on a plane to the The Hague, how the situation in Turkey is going to improve. I mean he is not going to go anywhere any time soon, and with his uprooting of the Turkish constitution in the offing, which he undoubtedly will fast-track now, things indeed look like they're going to only go from bad to worse. I get the whole the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know line of reasoning, but I do think a coup whilst undoubtedly claiming many victims in the short term one way or another would've paved the way to a better future for Turkey in the longterm than is the case now. – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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