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SpriteFan274

GTA IV Special Vehicle Guide

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SpriteFan274

It always spawns with a RANDOM Luster, sometimes the Luster is not visible, sometimes the Luster is visible... Though be careful as one Luster seems to always be not Special (if the Vehicle is not EC).

Lustered Vehicles are Vehicles which are always randomly Lustered, and the Luster List can be determined from the Carcols.dat through Luster Theory.

IV Confirmations will wait until I get TLaD and TBoGT done...

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Lethal Vaccine

Yeah, from all the Vehicles I obtained personally and out of all the Playthroughs I've done and being observant these days, I can assure you that IF a Vehicle HAS a Luster, then it ALWAYS will have one, but more than likely, it's Random and that is when we say Lustered. If it's a SET Luster, which is usually not so often with Lustered Vehicles, then we don't even include the "Lustered" Terminology and just make note that the entire Vehicle is EC. Only when the Luster CHANGES (Random), do we include the Terminology as "Lustered." Sometimes Vehicles are EC, sometimes Vehicles are Lustered, and sometimes Vehicles are EC/Lustered. But the fact is that ONLY IF IT'S A RANDOM LUSTER do we call it a "Lustered" Vehicle.

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It's said to only be obtainable on Xbox 360. I personally can't confirm any of this to be true or false, though. Check to see what happens for yourself if you want this Rancher.

Can confirm that EC Green and Blue Rancher IS obtainable on PC, so it's not Xbox exclusive.

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Lethal Vaccine

Well, what I meant is PS3/360 as these are different with PC being very similar to 360. So whatever works for PC should work for 360. Whatever works for 360 should work for PC. It's just PS3 having the different Scripts or something comparing the Platforms, thus things are different.

 

There is already recordings on Youtube both from PC and 360 for that EC/Lustered Light Blue Super GT from the Mission No. 1 for Brucie. I can't get it on PS3, but it's no issues on PC or 360. So the Rancher is probably safe on PC/360, but not on PS3. I haven't checked it out myself, though...

 

This is stuff I read on other Guides out there which have proven to be faulty these past months, so the information could be completely bogus in general...

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But remember about EC Light Blue Marbelle which you can obtain with Pass on Xbox and can't on PC. Also I still can't fail Dust Off for EC Maverick, so there are definitely some differences. So I thought that this will be useful to mention about EC Rancher.

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Yeah, that is true it would seem. That the Dust Off EC Maverick is different on PC while it's basic on 360. As for PS3, I am not sure how it's like as I never bothered trying to obtain it, so I can't comment. And yeah, that EC Marbelle, it seemed to also be obtainable with pass on 360, but not PC. Again, no idea about PS3 as I never tried it yet.

 

The good news is that I am seriously at the end of the line for TBoGT and just have 9 more Story Missions to pass until I am 100% at which time I need to use the Mission Replays to get 7 more Special Vehicles as well as get "100%'s" on the remaining Story Missions I need. TBoGT, CW, and V are the only GTA's to "grade you" on the Missions and due to having the OCD with needing everything perfect, I am "forced" to do these dumb 100%'s on the Missions even though it's totally bullsh*t and pathetic. But after I do this for TBoGT, then I just need to save my 1st Save File in a different Save Slot, remove the 16 Special Vehicles, and then use Replays to get 16 Special Vehicles (the final 16 that exist) for my 2nd Save which will already be 100%, thus I don't need to do literally anything but get these Special Vehicles and it's done. So in other words, TBoGT 2 Saves will be done by the end of the Month, maybe a bit sooner, maybe a bit later like the first week of November, but either way, I will soon be back to IV and when I get to IV and my 2nd Save File, I may actually go through like you and Vivid are doing and not record the Vehicles, obviously, but at least try and obtain EVERY SINGLE ONE of them just to see if there is any Platform Differences with PS3, 360, and PC. I already know the Super GT from No. 1 is completely unobtainable with PASSING the Mission and only possible with Mission Failure. Perhaps that may not work, but it should. Just passing surely doesn't work.

 

I can't wait to get back to IV as TBoGT seriously blows and is not fun as you're graded on bullsh*t and need to pass the Missions how Rockstar sees fit. You can pass the Missions with ease and quickly, only to get 50% on the Mission since you didn't "do what Rockstar said you should do." TBoGT and V suffer from this horribly. CW has Medals like V does, but thankfully CW doesn't suffer from that sh*t so badly...

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Lethal Vaccine

I am nearly ready to start IV and trying to finish my Starter Save + 2nd 100% Save File with 10 different Special Vehicles from my 1st Save File!

 

GTA IV 2nd Save File Special Vehicles:

 

AP/Lustered Speedo, AP/Lustered Sultan, AP/Lustered NRG 900, AP/Lustered Cognoscenti, AP/Lustered Sentinel with EC Rims, AP/Lustered Mafia Sentinel, AP/Lustered Mafia PMP 600 with Hybrid Grill, AP/Lustered Huntley Sport, AP/Lustered Russian Schafter with EC Grill, AP/Lustered Russian Rebla

 

As you can see, these 10 Special Vehicles I want are all BASE COLOR BLACK with a Random Luster (will reload until the ones I like spawn). Unlike my 1st Save where I picked the "Revenge" Ending, I will be doing the "Deal" Ending this time just to try something different.

 

@zazaza and/or Vivid Shadows:

 

If I were you guys, since Alderney is now unlocked, I would record the AP Conversion. It CAN be done after 100%, HOWEVER, you waste a LOT OF TIME doing it. Why? Well, when you send a Girlfriend an Email to date her, you must wait 24 Hours IN GAME for them to reply back to Schedule a Date and sleeping/saving in the bed to progress time does NOT work. You must actually be playing the game, doing Missions, etc, etc, etc, to progress time and receive an Email. Since I waited until after 100%, I had to send an Email and then literally idle my game for 48 real life Minutes a pop. So I wasted about 7 Hours just idling with the game on, not doing anything, and the Total Playing Time rising by 7 Hours or so to convert 10 Special Vehicles to AP.

 

You guys will have to make "cuts" in the Video. Like showing how to get the Girlfriends by going onto Craplist.net and Love-Meet.net and then cutting the Video and waiting until they reply to Niko's Email at which time you can record once more showing the next step in the process and after emailing them back, you schedule the Date and have your Special Vehicle at the ready for the Date and making the Vehicle of your choice AP...

 

In other words, it's incredibly easy, but a lot of waiting for them to Email Niko back so you might as well be waiting on Emails WHILE you do Missions and such so you're not wasting time like I did AFTER 100%. It's a 3-Part Process. Contacting them, waiting for them to contact you back to set up a Date, then arriving at their House on the designated Day and Time for the Date with your Vehicle you want to make AP. Then once converted to AP, showing the BP, DP, EP, and FP Properties...

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zazaza691

Thank you for this information. Although I don't care about stats this time, I'm still going to convert all my vehicles to AP. And to be honest I don't even have extra 7 hours of free time, so your advice is very helpful. I don't know when I record this conversion, but it surely won't be in the end of the guide. I'm currently at Unique Police Stockade and I believe I should try to get it with EC Bright Red Biff at the same time. Will see if it's possible.

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Lethal Vaccine

Yeah, I have been following all the new IV Videos on your Channel as well as Vivid Shadows' Channel and it's hyping me up for IV. Finally...People actually recording the Special Vehicles and not leaving the HD Era to rot. IV, TLaD, and TBoGT are all still pretty good for Special Vehicles. CW, too...These shouldn't be missed...

 

Good luck on the Stockade and Biff at the same time. Would be awesome if you did it, though, I still think getting the Stockade alone with passing the Mission is the best and one of the bigger challenges in IV. That is the one I have. I didn't get it from Three Leaf Clover as both Models are the SAME (With/Without BP Front Windshield) but in TLC, you must fail while in Tunnel of Death, you do not...

 

But yeah, it's much better to convert the Special Vehicles as you go instead of waiting until after 100% to do it. It will feel like you're not wasting ANY TIME at all doing it like that unlike how it is if you wait. At that time, you will have NOTHING to do but to just sit there, idling the game and wasting time.

 

Which 10 are you going for? You still didn't decide? Be aware that the "Random" Tuner Oracle is probably not a Special Vehicle but will need 100% confirmation on it once SpriteFan274 gets to IV, which is taking quite some time as of recently. Nothing really has been confirmed for IV yet other than the 10 Special Vehicles I personally have in my 1st Save File as I gave him the Carcols of what the Editor was saying and he told me if they were special or not and ALL 10 were indeed special and converted to AP. Surely, MOST of the Special Vehicles ARE actually special in the Guide, but some will probably be fake, so just be aware. You should really have the 4 "Unique" Vehicles at least as they are all one time only and only 4 of them out of the gobs of EC's and Luster Vehicles in the entire game...

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Yes, I still didn't decide. I'm planning to get all 4 Unique ones as well as some "Hybrid" ones (PCJ 600 looks cool). Probably one Helicopter and some sport cars. But will see.

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Lethal Vaccine

Yeah, some Hybrid Vehicles do indeed look cool, but imo, nothing really stands out to me in IV for being Hybrid. I really like the EC Red Hybrid Packer in TLaD, though. However, it's always available but incredibly rare to find during Gang Wars. Still looks awesome for being Hybrid, though, with a Fuel Tank AND a Ramp.

 

Btw @ zazaza and Vivid...The Schafter you guys obtained during The Master and the Molotov (1 of 2) as well as the Schafter (with the Sultan and NRG 900) during Easy as Can Be are "special" but not for the reasons you guys stated. Like The Master and the Molotov Schafter (1 of 2 and PROBABLY 2 of 2) is NOT Russian! It's a regular Black Schafter, but what is special here is the EC Black Rims. Nothing about the Body Color is special, though. Only the Black Rims. Now, the Schafter in Easy as Can Be looks like it's ONCE AGAIN A REGULAR Schafter, only here, it's EC Black Rims AND a Luster. Thus Lustered Schafter with EC Black Rims. Lancet and this Guide has a lot of errors in terms of these Schafters. Not ALL of them are Russian. Only some are Russian. There is a very subtle, but noticeable difference between a Schafter and a Russian Schafter. A Russian Schafter has a pointy bumper underneath the grill and the grill is USUALLY Black (under normal circumstances). A regular Schafter has a rounded bumper underneath the grill which is always Silver in color. So when it ACTUALLY is a RUSSIAN Schafter with a Silver Grill, the Grill IS in fact special, but if it's a REGULAR Schafter, the Silver Grill is totally normal. The Master and the Molotov Schafter is NOT Russian and only special for the EC Black Rims and the Easy as Can Be Schafter is NOT Russian, either, and only special for the Luster and EC Black Rims.

 

A Lustered Russian Schafter with Silver Grill and EC Black Rims can be seen during "A Revenger's Tragedy (Deal)" Ending Mission and here it truly is Russian and one of a kind. There is many of these Black Schafters in IV, however, the point is, they aren't ALL Russian or ALL normal. There is some normal, some Russian, so only if you know how to tell them apart will you know which is which and why it's special...

 

Anyways, gonna start working on the remaining 126 Pigeons for my IV Starter Save tomorrow until it's done which should be in 6 Days if everything goes to plan or at worst, 14 Days if this is difficult which I am expecting SOME Pigeons will be treacherous. I hope to do 20 a Day, which would be good, or at worst, 10 a Day, which would be slower and bring me closer to 2 Weeks to do these. Either way, in a Week or two, it should be done with and I will be ready to start the 2nd Save File.

 

I also looked at the 10 Special Vehicles I want, how to get them, what Lusters can spawn on them, etc, etc...I can't wait to get this 2nd Save File done and take several months off from GTA before starting my new LCS Mobile 100% Save...

 

IV Project(s) should be finished before Christmas or before the New Year of 2018.

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BoomyJohnny

hmm... i have been lurking here a while and since it is a long-"ish" Thread... did not read all replies... I am currently trying confirm if all of the vehicles here are obtainable and/or special ON THE PC VERSION...

 

I do not know if someone has discovered this yet...

 

Game Version: PC

Mission Given by: Jon Gravelli

Mission Name: Liquidize the Assets

Vehicle: PONY

Color: Black/Lustered

Status: Currently Failed the Mission

 

How I Did It: Do not destroy the vans. Choose which Lustered Pony. Drive away from the mission zone. Park it.

 

it's a Pony though, unless you are one of those who likes to drive vans in GTA, do not keep it :D

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Lethal Vaccine

I doubt the Black Color is special (will need to confirm with Carcols), but the Luster is probably special. Especially if it's RANDOMLY Lustered like most Vehicles are. You can download the Hazard Save Editor and open your Save up with the Editor and go to the "Garage" Tab and give us the Colors here in the Topic to identify if it's special or not. By the sounds of it, it would seem special, though, and a new Special Vehicle, one that was totally missed previously...

 

Can you get it with passing the Mission? Any more information? I may just pull up a Youtube Video and just watch the Mission play out and identify this Pony in the Video on Youtube...

 

Thing is, MOST of these things HAVE BEEN confirmed to be possible on X360 and PC. The Platform that is mostly unknown right now is PS3. It's not your fault of course, but it IS annoying that literally nobody plays on other Platforms that need confirmation still, while people are playing on Platforms that many people have already checked to see if these are obtainable and they are. Afterall, zazaza and Vivid Shadows are doing Videos and both are on PC and going one by one and obtaining them ALL in the Guide...So we will know soon enough if they can ALL be obtained or not.

 

@zazaza and Vivid, make sure you record this new Lustered Pony for your Video Guides...

 

We need someone to confirm it with the Editor and give us the 4 Lines of Colors that the Editor reads, though...

 

UPDATE ON MY STARTER SAVE:

 

There is only 88 Pigeons left for me to shoot dead before all 200 are done in my Starter Save and at which time I can start my 2nd Save File. When I finish these Pigeons in the beginning with 6 Stars, I plan to show the Annihilator spawning with a Photo on the MeTV Building as well as a Photo of the Pause Menu Stats (not the ENTIRE Pause Menu, though, as there is too much to show). I should be done in 7 to 8 days...

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I doubt the Black Color is special (will need to confirm with Carcols), but the Luster is probably special. Especially if it's RANDOMLY Lustered like most Vehicles are. You can download the Hazard Save Editor and open your Save up with the Editor and go to the "Garage" Tab and give us the Colors here in the Topic to identify if it's special or not. By the sounds of it, it would seem special, though, and a new Special Vehicle, one that was totally missed previously...

 

Can you get it with passing the Mission? Any more information? I may just pull up a Youtube Video and just watch the Mission play out and identify this Pony in the Video on Youtube...

 

Thing is, MOST of these things HAVE BEEN confirmed to be possible on X360 and PC. The Platform that is mostly unknown right now is PS3. It's not your fault of course, but it IS annoying that literally nobody plays on other Platforms that need confirmation still, while people are playing on Platforms that many people have already checked to see if these are obtainable and they are. Afterall, zazaza and Vivid Shadows are doing Videos and both are on PC and going one by one and obtaining them ALL in the Guide...So we will know soon enough if they can ALL be obtained or not.

 

@zazaza and Vivid, make sure you record this new Lustered Pony for your Video Guides...

 

We need someone to confirm it with the Editor and give us the 4 Lines of Colors that the Editor reads, though...

 

UPDATE ON MY STARTER SAVE:

 

There is only 88 Pigeons left for me to shoot dead before all 200 are done in my Starter Save and at which time I can start my 2nd Save File. When I finish these Pigeons in the beginning with 6 Stars, I plan to show the Annihilator spawning with a Photo on the MeTV Building as well as a Photo of the Pause Menu Stats (not the ENTIRE Pause Menu, though, as there is too much to show). I should be done in 7 to 8 days...

carcols.dat does not have that color. and the lusters are random so it is somehow a set color by the mission script.

 

it's 1,1,Luster Random.

carcols.dat for pony is 11,11,12, 13,13,12, 20,20,12, 23,23,12, 31,31,12, 56,56,12, 77,77,12, 95,95,12, 41,41,41, 48,48,48, 64,64,64,

 

I actually made a Spreadsheet for the Special Vehicles. with Carcols.dat on sheet 2 and special vehicles on Sheet 1. It's a WIP, I might share it soon and credit goes to those who discovered the vehicles and made the guides prior.I am planning to share it soon as it is finished.

 

i tried passing the mission by destroying the van and pushing it on the parking spot. but i just disappeared during the phone call with Gravelli. I will keep trying when I get the time maybe there is a way.

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Lethal Vaccine

So it's EC/Lustered and not just Lustered? Awesome! Making it special in TWO ways!

 

Other than like 2 Mavericks in IV (Babysitting with Cheats and the White Maverick with Black Stripes), no WRECKS need to be pushed to a Parking Space, and yeah, they usually vanish in these games quickly. Perhaps try driving a Pony to a Parking Space, shooting it until it catches fire, then driving away from the area BEFORE it blows up and when the Mission is passed, hopefully it'll repair in the Parking Space and when you return keep your fingers crossed that it's still there...However, if this doesn't work, then I guess it will NEED a Mission Failure to get this one. Either way, it looks like a new Special Vehicle and has to be added into the Guide and recorded...

 

What is 1, 1? It's Black Poly Body Color? I am sort of new to this Carcols stuff, so I could be wrong. I thought 0, 0 was Black and 1, 1 was Black Poly or something. Again, I am not sure if this is EC, but from what you say, it's EC Black or Black Poly and ALSO Randomly Lustered making it special in both ways.

 

Be aware that SpriteFan274 and myself only say "Lustered" in the Property Tags of a Vehicle IF IT'S RANDOMLY LUSTERED. If there is a SET Body Color and a SET Luster, we just classify the entire Vehicle as "EC." But if the Body Color is not special, yet it has a Luster that changes every time you reload the Mission, then we call it "Lustered," but not EC. But it looks like this Set Color on the Pony is special AS WELL AS the random Luster, thus "EC/Lustered Pony."

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BoomyJohnny

I am still trying to get acquainted with using the appropriate terminology.

Yeah, as you would say it, it is "EC/Lustered Pony"

0 is Black and 1 is Black Poly

 

I also realised that this might need to be updated to the list

 

Game Version: PC
Mission Given by: Phil Bell
Mission Name: Truck Hustle
Vehicle: PONY
Color: Not EC Grey Color #20/Lustered
Status: Mission FAIL
Note: This is PONY on the Proximal Right. 20,20,12 is the one of the default colors in carcols.dat. but 3 out of 11 are lusters that make "Lustered". This is a pain as more than half the time it is not special.
Vehicle: PONY
Color: EC Grey Color #22/Lustered
Status: Mission FAIL
Note: This is the Pony on the Left. the Color is EC. Same as above another difficult luster to acquire but at least it's EC.
So, the 2 ponies are different shades of grey. not 50 (har har).

 

I feel like I am fixated with Pony(s) now.

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Lethal Vaccine

SpriteFan274 is the Author of the Guide(s), so he can make all these adjustments. It wasn't until recently, about 2 months ago when I became really involved with IV, TLaD, and TBoGT and finding out whether the Special Vehicles written on the Internet in various Guides including this one were real or not or what EXACTLY makes them special, like "Unique," "EC," "Lustered," however, most of the things I learned are in TLaD and TBoGT as they have a much shorter amount of Special Vehicles and in terms of the TLaD and TBoGT, I single handed, went through on PS3 (EfLC Disc - Greatest Hits) and obtained ALL known and existing Special Vehicles each of those games had to offer and made 2 Save Files for EACH game to get all of them and have found many, many errors from what I read on the Internet previously. Luckily, with the help of SpriteFan274 and Carcols, we found everything for TLaD/TBoGT, but not yet for IV. So this Guide is very messy and "outdated" as of now. Any help to make it better is greatly appreciated, of course...

 

Ok, so that Pony in Liquidizing the Assets is EC (Black Poly) and Lustered (Random/Changes). Do you know by chance WHAT Lusters can spawn on it? I don't need EXACT Names of the Colors of what the Editor says, but just the basics, like Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange, etc, etc...I've watched some Videos on Youtube and didn't really see many great Lusters that stand out on the Pony and I also saw how you can get it with a couple different possible variations (metal bars on top/no medal bars on top). Not only should it be great to identify what makes a Special Vehicle special whether it's Unique, EC, or Lustered or all of the above simultaneously, if there is a Luster for it that changes, we should try and list all of the possible and special Lusters for each randomly Lustered Special Vehicle in these games, imo. It's a lot of work, of course, but maybe not. SpriteFan274 was able to help me in terms of identifying possible Lusters on some of the Special Vehicles I obtained in TLaD/TBoGT and also in my 1st GTA IV Save File, even BEFORE obtaining them. He gave me a List of all the possible Lusters and I literally saw all of them or most of them as some were repeated, until I found the one I wanted. It took him very little time to tell me the possible Lusters for a specific Vehicle, but this should be done with ALL of them so when people reading the Guide want to get a Special Vehicle for their Saves, they will know what Lusters can be found on the Vehicle and reload until the specific one spawns for them that interests them. I always hate not knowing WHAT COLORS of Lusters that can spawn on a specific Special Vehicle I am going for when doing Save Files. Reloading 20 times isn't an option and a waste of time. I rather read the Colors on the Web, and simply reload until I find it...

 

This is also good information for zazaza and Vivid for when they record these Special Vehicles...We don't want anything here that is NOT special...We found quite a few fake Special Vehicles in TLaD and one in TBoGT and many errors on what made them Special, so there is probably a truck load of problems in this Guide. It's a Work in Progress...

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Lustered Vehicles are defined as Vehicles which have a Random Luster applied to them every time you start the Mission... From observation and practice I made a thing called Luster Theory which can easily identify which RANDOM Lusters can be applied on to Story Vehicles which are Lustered...

Luster Theory - If a Vehicle is (Randomly) Lustered in IV/TLaD/TBoGT, then the Random Lusters can be identified from Carcols.dat as the third and fourth Color for the Vehicle. The reason why this works is that the Vehicle was spawned with normal Traffic Colors and THEN the Script applied Color 1 and Color 2 to the Vehicle ONLY, thus the Color 3 and 4 don't change and stay on the Vehicle. The Combination of the Vehicle's Color makes it Special.

Let's take the Lustered Black Oracle from TBoGT as an example.

Oracle's Carcols (Traffic Colors) are: 0,0,57, 0,0,0, 0,0,61, 1,1,54, 7,7,48, 10,10,18, 11,11,97, 20,20,86, 22,22,66, 46,46,91, 40,40,35, 49,49,53, 52,52,51, 54,54,53, 57,57,58, 70,70,118, 76,76,118, 106,106,108, 16,16,76, 9,9,91, 15,15,93, 19,19,93, 13,13,80,

The Lustered Black Oracle has set 0 as Color 1 and a set 0 on Color 2, making the 3rd Color changed making it a random Luster (Lustered). Color 1 and 2 are not Special from Carcols so it's not EC.

If the Luster (which is always the 3rd Color in the sets of three) is found on Traffic 0,0 Oracles, then the Luster is not Special and the Vehicle is found in Traffic. From Carcols.dat you can see that the Lusters are 57, 0, 61. If the Lustered Oracle gets there Lusters, the Luster is not Special.

However, if the Oracle gets the Lusters 54, 48, 18, 97, 86, 66, 91, 35, 53, 51, 58, 118, 108, 76, 93 or 80, then the Oracle is Special from the Combination of the Luster Color and Body Color.

If the Lustered Vehicle itself is EC (Color 1 and 2 being Set and Special) then ALL Lusters are Special.

Also, take note I said Color 4 is changeable too. This makes the Unique Slamvan in TBoGT have different and random Rims every time. Same with the Lustered Black Huntley Sport in IV from the Deal Final Mission, this makes the 4th Color changeable, and the 4th Color is the Stripe along the Vehicle, thus it's a Lustered Black Huntley Sport with EC Random Stripe.

All in it's time... I've still got to finish up some of the TLaD and TBoGT Vehicles and then I'll switch to IV finally. I still need to check how "real" the EC/Lustered Zombie is, if the EC White Vincent is actually Lustered, potentionally undiscovered Special Vehicles, Drug and Gang Wars Vehicles etc.


If that Pony is Lustered then it would have these random Lusters applied on it: 12, 41, 48, 64. Take note that SOME Vehicles aren't Lustered and are only EC, which means the Luster Color is SET just like the Body Color!
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Exactly what he said, the lusters are dependent on the 3rd number. Hence why I concluded that 3 out 11 times the Pony will be Lustered because Luster Color #12 are on the default colors 8x.

 

Now, as for vehicles with Extra/4th Color. They are somehow dependent on the Luster/3rd Color.

i.e. The Huntley Sport's 4th Color will reflect whatever Luster it comes with on carcols.dat.

 

like in this photo

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(The Revenger's Tragedy kill Jacob repeatedly and push then pick what you want)

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Yes, because the Huntley Sport first gets spawned with TRAFFIC COLORS, and THEN it gets SET COLOR 1 AND 2. The Stripe is Color 4. Luster is always Color 3. This is the Luster Theory I've seen happening in TLaD and TBoGT and does in fact happen in IV.

huntley, 0,59,113,90, 0,0,103,0, 1,1,79,1, 3,3,103,3, 4,4,82,4, 6,6,84,6, 11,11,86,11, 16,16,92,16, 23,23,25,23, 34,34,28,34, 36,36,27,36, 47,47,91,47, 52,52,53,52, 53,53,51,53, 64,64,65,64, 69,69,63,69, 70,70,64,70, 0,0,12,32, 73,73,58,73, 76,76,58,76,


Thus the Huntley Sport can spawn in a 113 Luster together with a 90 Stripe... 103 Luster with a 0 Stripe (this Huntley wouldn't be Special then)... 103 Luster with 3 Stripe... etc. etc. etc.

Slamvan in TBoGT works the same way...

Now I've checked and confirmed that EC Vincent in TBoGT being Lustered. Vincent half of the time spawns in a Black Poly Luster because half of the Carcols Color Combinations for the Vincent have a Black Poly Luster, and the other half being Lustered in another way. Why do I always make TBoGT and TLaD examples? Because these games work the SAME way with Lusters same with IV.

Take note that the Variants are always a huge Factor in confirming Special Vehicles. Let's just take a TLaD example again. In TLaD Gang Wars there's a Black Sentinel with Green Luster, and a Black PMP 600 with Red Luster. These Color Combinations ARE FOUND in Carcols.dat, but they're still EC! So why are they EC (EC in terms of the Luster being only Special, if the Color 1 and Color 2 are not Special but the Color 3 is SET!!! and Special, then the Vehicle is EC !!!!!!!)?

Because only Mafia PMP 600's and Mafia Sentinels are found in these Colors IN TRAFFIC, yet the normal Sentinels and PMP 600s aren't... Only in these Gang Wars. The Non-Gang (Civilian) Variant combined with these Colors make the Vehicle EC. This is what I call Theory 2. Theory 1 is the Luster Theory.

EC Carcols.dat Theory (Theory 2) - If a Vehicle can't be found in the combination of the Color and the Variant in Traffic as found in a Mission, and if the Color Combination is in fact in Carcols.dat, then the Vehicle is EC nonetheless.

Also, something about Pay and Spray. Pay and Spray DOES NOT give Gang Colors, thus Theory 2 works.

Take this example from TLaD. In Malc's 1st Encounter a Wolfsbane and Nightblade are found in Blue and Red Color. They were though to be EC. But they are not EC even though Pay and Spray doesn't give these Colors, because they can be found in Traffic being ridden by AoD Gang Members in Traffic. Now, I think and am sure the Variants are the same for the Malc and Traffic Nightblade and Wolfsbane, which would make these Vehicles Rare in these Colors, but still findable in Traffic, making them non-EC.
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those are the huntley sport from The Revenger's Tragedy resulting from repeatedly killing Jacob in the car.

 

I do no think those are theories. that is how the game behaves.

 

The mission script (*.sco) dictates only color#1 and color #2. Then another string for Luster (#3)/Extra(#4) if not random. i.e. the command script line for Vlad's Marbelle, sets the colors 66,66. Then gives it a fixed 8,0 for 3rd and 4th.

 

So, the existence of random lusters is due to the absence of the command line for Color #3 and #4 on the script.

 

Now, here comes my argument.

 

The Washington Luster Dilemma: the washington appears 3x with a set color of 0,0,8,0.

a.) Stevie's Car Thefts

b.) Undertaker

c.) To Live and Die in Alderney

 

carcols.dat defaults black washington's in traffic as 0,0,12,0.

 

the vehicle is not EC. the lusters are both within the grey palette.

 

does this fit the criteria for special vehicles? or not?

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washington, 0,0,12, 4,4,12, 6,6,12, 10,10,12, 21,21,12, 23,23,12, 25,25,12, 33,33,35, 37,37,32, 49,49,63, 52,52,56, 54,54,55, 65,65,63, 67,67,118, 70,70,65, 98,98,90, 16,16,76, 9,9,91, 15,15,93, 19,19,93, 13,13,80,


Traffic Black Washington is 0,0,12.

These Washingtons are 0,0,8. 0,0,8 is nowhere in Carcols.dat. Thus this IS EC!

You can't call it Lustered because the Luster is not "Random" and the Color 1 and 2 aren't EC. But the Color 3 (Luster) is SET!!!!!, which makes the Vehicle itself EC for the Color and SET Luster Combination.

8 and 12 are different Colors, different RGB. Even if they're quite similar, they're different Colors, thus EC...

Be very careful for Color IDs. Some Colors have the same Name but have different RGB (thus being different Colors). There are differently named Colors/IDs but have the same RGB, which makes them the same Color. There's two Colors with the different ID, same RGB, same Name, but the only thing different (except for the ID obviously) is how the Police Scanner calls it when you're wanted while you're driving it... Pff.

8 and 12 are different Colors as checked again, thus these Washingtons are Special and EC.
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8 and 12 are different Colors as checked again, thus these Washingtons are Special and EC.

 

 

:cool:

 

now, I have added 3 more to the list.

 

but wait, I actually found more. Faustin's DF8-90 are all EC. This was actually the 1st vehicle that made me realise that I need to confirm the number palette as i was driving it and bumped into a different shade of grey. not fifty. (har har, pfft again).

 

Michelle's Merit is EC/Lustered.

Lyle's Oracle is EC/Lustered.

etc.

 

 

It's on my unfinished spreadsheet which hopefully, I can finish by the weekend.

 

here is the link to a work in progress: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C9ZoIwpkcfim4K2RDuYa_2bGxFRV61W0QHgJlHhr_RA/edit?usp=sharing

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Incredible, guys! Keep all the facts and finds coming! :)

 

I can tell over the next few months we can all work together on finding out all this stuff for IV and the Special Vehicles! This is something I always dreamed of...Clarity in determining the Special Vehicles in IV, TLaD, and TBoGT.

 

Stevie's Car Theft's Washington was always a suspicion of mine to be FAKE, but I am glad it's actually EC. Very subtle, but still EC in the end for its combination...

 

SpriteFan274, make sure you remember all the changes and fixes for the Guide. So much needs to be changed in terms of what is actually EC, Lustered, EC/Lustered, etc, etc...

 

You guys are making my excited to start my 2nd IV Save! Should be ready by the 3rd week of November once I finish the remaining Pigeons in my Starter Save. Only 78 left! :D:p

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I think the EC Random Tuner Oracle is just a fake Special Vehicle. Why? Because you can take any Tuner Oracle and take it to Pay and Spray. You'll get a Random Colored Tuner Oracle...

Awesome that you're doing this for IV!!! I've done the same stuff for TLaD and TBoGT and seen how the Games work, made the Luster Theory etc. etc. It was a fun experience. I will add your findings in the Guide and check the Vehicles myself too for full confirmation.

This Guide is just outdated as heck and needs a lot of work done. First I need to finish up the other Guides and finish TBoGT stuff and then move to IV, rewrite the Guide, the List, add the facts and finally be done with the HD Era.

I've also done CW Stuff in the past too and figured that all of these EC Vehicles on PSP were fake, except for the Cruiser? But that's off-topic.

Can you comment on the Lustered Red and Silver Sanchez in your Spreadsheet? It's 8.1 there. What do you mean with the Color 1 and 2 being random? If so then the Vehicle itself is not Special...

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Can you comment on the Lustered Red and Silver Sanchez in your Spreadsheet? It's 8.1 there. What do you mean with the Color 1 and 2 being random? If so then the Vehicle itself is not Special...

the PC version spawns the Traffic Sanchez(s) at the end. (it was hell reloading the mission and finding out that it was just traffic Sanchez. The Red and Silver Sanchez always has the Yellow/Golden Luster on it.

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Huh, so it's just a normal sh*tty Traffic Sanchez, atleast on the PC Version? Hm, okay, that one should be removed from the Guide then. In TBoGT there was a suspected "Lustered Random PMP 600", which was bullsh*t because a Vehicle can't be Special-Lustered plus Random Colored... Doesn't make sense.

You can easily check the Lusters for each Lustered Vehicle and distinguish which are Special and which aren't (in terms of Color and Luster Combination) just by using Carcols.dat, as already said... Luster Theory must be a fact (for Randomly Lustered Vehicles).

And about that newly found Liquidizing the Assets Pony... If it's EC Color 1 and EC Color 2... Then shouldn't all possible Lusters be Special? They must be sometimes not visibly Lustered, but all Lusters, even if the Luster is sh*tty and not really visible, should be Special.

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Guys, also make note that this Guide does NOT include the EC Black and Silver Cognoscenti 1 of 2 OR 2 of 2 since there is the EC Black and Silver Cognoscenti with White Ribbon. Now, perhaps the Black/Silver SHOULD be added in as maybe it's a DIFFERENT Black or Silver, thus making it an entirely DIFFERENT Special Vehicle. Way back when I first made this Guide and before giving it over to SpriteFan274, I didn't include those thinking it was the SAME one as the Black/Silver with White Ribbon, only these didn't have the White Ribbon making them inferior and not needed. So someone can check if there's any difference in Colors between them. The White Ribbon Cognoscenti is far superior IF the Colors are identical on all of them and you can PASS the Mission whilst obtaining that EC Black/Silver Cognoscenti with White Ribbon, so it's all around a better option...

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And about that newly found Liquidizing the Assets Pony... If it's EC Color 1 and EC Color 2... Then shouldn't all possible Lusters be Special? They must be sometimes not visibly Lustered, but all Lusters, even if the Luster is sh*tty and not really visible, should be Special.

yes, basically, the 5 vans are unique color sets (EC/Lustered). The grey/white lusters are an inconvenience. They just make the car look shiny.

 

 

Guys, also make note that this Guide does NOT include the EC Black and Silver Cognoscenti 1 of 2 OR 2 of 2 since there is the EC Black and Silver Cognoscenti with White Ribbon. Now, perhaps the Black/Silver SHOULD be added in as maybe it's a DIFFERENT Black or Silver, thus making it an entirely DIFFERENT Special Vehicle. Way back when I first made this Guide and before giving it over to SpriteFan274, I didn't include those thinking it was the SAME one as the Black/Silver with White Ribbon, only these didn't have the White Ribbon making them inferior and not needed. So someone can check if there's any difference in Colors between them. The White Ribbon Cognoscenti is far superior IF the Colors are identical on all of them and you can PASS the Mission whilst obtaining that EC Black/Silver Cognoscenti with White Ribbon, so it's all around a better option...

 

True, it's just there but... ofc we did not bother with it for the last 9 years. :panic:

A possible parking space with both the cognoscenti with ribbon and one without.

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After today, I will only have 49 more Pigeons to do in Alderney in the beginning with 6 Stars until 11.95% Game Completion is reached and Photo Time! :D:p Can't wait until this is done as it's an insane task that, in the past, I thought I would never be able to do, but it's quite fun and easy, actually. To be honest, it's easier than 50 Stunt Jumps with 6 Stars or the 30 Most Wanted with 6 Stars. Those are much more horrendous to me compared to Pigeons, which I THOUGHT would be much worse with 6 Stars. It's simple if you have a Maverick, Sniper Rifle, and SMG and I always have a Maverick saved in Roman's Parking Spaces in Hove Beach and MAX Ammo for all 7 Weapon Slots. I also know where many Pickups are for Body Armor and various Ammo if I need any. Also can get a NEW Maverick at any given time if the current one I am flying takes too much damage...

 

I really can't wait to finally start my 2nd Save File and go for another set of 10 Special Vehicles and make them all AP! :)

 

For the new Pony in Liquidizing the Assets, what very VISIBLE and good looking Luster can spawn on it? I usually like very bright ones that you can see very clearly. USUALLY those are Red Colors, but sometimes Blues, Greens, Oranges, and Yellows stand out, too...

 

EDIT: 151 Done, 49 More to Go! :)

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