'Fastest car in the game' is getting ridiculous

[fleecejohnson83]

[Smooth Longsack]

[Hurst.]

T20 is still king in my eyes

 

Granted its not the fastest in a straight line or acceleration anymore, but I find its the best all round super car. Braking, cornering and handling is superior for me.

[Arrows to Athens]

Your list was false though. T20 is faster than any of those cars around a track until the X80

By fast, we usually mean straight line speed. But then again, you have to be more specific.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Arrows to Athens

[RavageTheJaguar]

i have always thought that the people who are like "omg the new fastest whatever" or are like "ravage sell your khamelion it sucks its not the fastest" are total idiots.

 

does anyone actually care about racing in this game? if you do then that is sad, considering that this isnt a racing game, its driving physics are trash for racing, the new update is just a trackmania rip off & a crappy one at that, & all the races are just PIT manuver fests anyway.

 

it gets old. ill drive the khamelion if i want, because i love it. almost everyone who says this probably never races anyway.

[We Are Ninja]

...ill drive the khamelion if i want, because i love it...

[Above Omnipotence]

LOL Even the X80 wasn't the fastest around a track on certain tracks.

[Mattoropael]

i have always thought that the people who are like "omg the new fastest whatever" or are like "ravage sell your khamelion it sucks its not the fastest" are total idiots.

 

does anyone actually care about racing in this game? if you do then that is sad, considering that this isnt a racing game, its driving physics are trash for racing, the new update is just a trackmania rip off & a crappy one at that, & all the races are just PIT manuver fests anyway.

 

it gets old. ill drive the khamelion if i want, because i love it. almost everyone who says this probably never races anyway.

 

Ravage, sell your Khamelion, its sound sucks!

 

.... Just kidding, of course. The real question, however, is just how those people fill their garage slots? We have 50 slots and only 11 land vehicle classes (bikes excluded since they have exclusive slots), if they go by "if it's not fast sell it", they won't even fill 3 garages. They're massive hypocrites if they have a 4th garage that has anything in it.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Mattoropael

[Polaco]

^

 

 

Edit: Just did a bit better than that. Ps4

 

It is not the true speed...gosh...

[nido997]

 

 

 

 

lool you guys , mine was around 350 Km/h , which is around 217 mph ..250 mph is ridicusly fast though !

[Amy Vinewood]

 

^

Edit: Just did a bit better than that. Ps4

 

It is not the true speed...gosh...

How else are you supposed to get a speed in this game?

I know some speedometers are not accurate, thats why i took a screenshot of my social club stats.

In this game, that's the speed rockstar says it is.

[Tonguegirl]

 

 

^

Edit: Just did a bit better than that. Ps4

It is not the true speed...gosh...

How else are you supposed to get a speed in this game?

I know some speedometers are not accurate, thats why i took a screenshot of my social club stats.

In this game, that's the speed rockstar says it is.

 

 

I get what you're saying about recorded speed, but for me the annoyance comes from the disparity between the recorded speed and the achievable speed in the Highest Speed Challenge.

 

My recorded speed for my Banshee is 173mph but I know that the highest speed I've ever achieved in the HSC is 149mph. So where did I manage to hit 173mph? I choose the most favourable roads with the best slopes and there is absolutely no way that thing is ever getting up to 173mph.

 

Not trying to be a bitch, but what R* says about vehicle speed isn't necessarilly the truth, just look at the top speeds on Legendary. For me, the only 'accurate' speed test (if there can be such a thing in a video game) is the highest speed challenge. If I can't see it happening in front of me it doesn't mean anything.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Tonguegirl

[Hunter]

I get what you're saying about recorded speed, but for me the annoyance comes from the disparity between the recorded speed and the achievable speed in the Highest Speed Challenge.

 

My recorded speed for my Banshee is 173mph but I know that the highest speed I've ever achieved in the HSC is 149mph. So where did I manage to hit 173mph? I choose the most favourable roads with the best slopes and there is absolutely no way that thing is ever getting up to 173mph.

 

Not trying to be a bitch, but what R* says about vehicle speed isn't necessarilly the truth, just look at the top speeds on Legendary. For me, the only 'accurate' speed test (if there can be such a thing in a video game) is the highest speed challenge. If I can't see it happening in front of me it doesn't mean anything.

 

But who's to say that's any more accurate than the recorded speed? Who decides which is the right one?

 

She's just working with what's given anyway; just like everyone else in this thread who also posted their speed from the same source.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Amy Vinewood]

Who decides which is the right one?

Whoever thinks they are right, of course (:

[Tonguegirl]

But who's to say that's any more accurate than the recorded speed? Who decides which is the right one?

 

She's just working with what's given anyway; just like everyone else in this thread who also posted their speed from the same source.

 

 

It's not about deciding who's right, it's about not trusting R* with figures that don't seem to have any basis in reality. All my social club stat' tells me is that I hit such and such a speed. No further information about when or where, that's not good enough for me. I like to see it on the screen while it's happening. i know for a fact that the Banshee will not get up to 173mph in freemode during the speed challenge, so where are they getting their information?

 

It's bad enough that they bullshi**ed us about the top speeds on the websites, they're also just making up figures and posting them to social club. And for me that's what it feels like, that they're just making stuff up. If the social club stat' is correct, why isn't it reflected in the speed challenge?; unless of course the speedometer is broken in the speed challenge. It could be one or the other, certainly one of them is wrong.

 

For me, the ability to be able to see and record it is all that matters. That's what I want from a video game, that is after all what the speed challenge is for. The social club stat' is the equivalent of doing 'Kill List', but you can't see any of the enemies you just start firing wildly in all directions, then 10 minutes later it tells you that you won and you killed 44 enemies. That's not fun, that's just the game making sh*t up.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Tonguegirl

[Zader]

Can I post this in here, or are people going to laugh at me?

 

[Tonguegirl]

That Trashmaster does have some 'ooommph' to it lol.

[Murciélago]

[Hunter]

 

 

 

But who's to say that's any more accurate than the recorded speed? Who decides which is the right one?

 

She's just working with what's given anyway; just like everyone else in this thread who also posted their speed from the same source.

 

 

It's not about deciding who's right, it's about not trusting R* with figures that don't seem to have any basis in reality. All my social club stat' tells me is that I hit such and such a speed. No further information about when or where, that's not good enough for me. I like to see it on the screen while it's happening. i know for a fact that the Banshee will not get up to 173mph in freemode during the speed challenge, so where are they getting their information?

 

It's bad enough that they bullshi**ed us about the top speeds on the websites, they're also just making up figures and posting them to social club. And for me that's what it feels like, that they're just making stuff up. If the social club stat' is correct, why isn't it reflected in the speed challenge?; unless of course the speedometer is broken in the speed challenge. It could be one or the other, certainly one of them is wrong.

 

For me, the ability to be able to see and record it is all that matters. That's what I want from a video game, that is after all what the speed challenge is for. The social club stat' is the equivalent of doing 'Kill List', but you can't see any of the enemies you just start firing wildly in all directions, then 10 minutes later it tells you that you won and you killed 44 enemies. That's not fun, that's just the game making sh*t up.

 

 

 

But in the speed challenge, who's measuring the speed? I mean, it's Rockstar saying it either way.

 

I don't know which one is the "true" speed. Not that it matters a whole lot anyway lol.

[Tonguegirl]

 

 

 

 

But who's to say that's any more accurate than the recorded speed? Who decides which is the right one?

 

She's just working with what's given anyway; just like everyone else in this thread who also posted their speed from the same source.

 

 

It's not about deciding who's right, it's about not trusting R* with figures that don't seem to have any basis in reality. All my social club stat' tells me is that I hit such and such a speed. No further information about when or where, that's not good enough for me. I like to see it on the screen while it's happening. i know for a fact that the Banshee will not get up to 173mph in freemode during the speed challenge, so where are they getting their information?

 

It's bad enough that they bullshi**ed us about the top speeds on the websites, they're also just making up figures and posting them to social club. And for me that's what it feels like, that they're just making stuff up. If the social club stat' is correct, why isn't it reflected in the speed challenge?; unless of course the speedometer is broken in the speed challenge. It could be one or the other, certainly one of them is wrong.

 

For me, the ability to be able to see and record it is all that matters. That's what I want from a video game, that is after all what the speed challenge is for. The social club stat' is the equivalent of doing 'Kill List', but you can't see any of the enemies you just start firing wildly in all directions, then 10 minutes later it tells you that you won and you killed 44 enemies. That's not fun, that's just the game making sh*t up.

 

 

 

But in the speed challenge, who's measuring the speed? I mean, it's Rockstar saying it either way.

 

I don't know which one is the "true" speed. Not that it matters a whole lot anyway lol.

 

 

Oh you wanna play hard-ball do ya . Fine, you asked for it.

 

All of your free-aim Buzzard kills were helped along by the game without your knowledge.

 

I didn't want to have to go there, but I think it's for the best that it's out there now.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Tonguegirl

[Hunter]

 

 

Oh you wanna play hard-ball do ya . Fine, you asked for it.

 

All of your free-aim Buzzard kills were helped along by the game without your knowledge.

 

I didn't want to have to go there, but I think it's for the best that it's out there now.

 

Hmmmmm, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

 

[Big_Show]

Yeah seriously how dare R* release new cars that are faster than previously released cars. So that the supercar I bought a year ago is still the fastest for the life of the game. New cars should all be slower than the old cars so nobody wants to buy them, so R* never sells anymore sharkcards and then they can stop investing resources into creating new downloadable content and the game can finally become obsolete and we can move on with our lives. Great idea OP!

[Polaco]

How else are you supposed to get a speed in this game?

I know some speedometers are not accurate, thats why i took a screenshot of my social club stats.

In this game, that's the speed rockstar says it is.

No.

 

An example is High Speed Challenge. Another example, is comparing by how fast you pass by cars in highway. Consider they are around 100kph, and you pass by them relatively fast. You probably overtook them around ~190-200kph.

Another example is using different speedometers.

Another example is checking vehicle files.

And, another one is using a real speed mod, and comparing the results. Those mods give you the real speed.

 

For example, notice how "slow" a jet with afterburner fly. You can see things, you can read plates flying them. And if they were at their real speed, you couldn't even count the plates on your way.

Now take it to cars. Consider cars in this game, any of them, go much slower than a Jet. If Jets are already slower, guess how slow are cars then.

 

But if you want concrete results, use speedometers, or do the HSC, simple as that. There's a guy on youtube...Broughy1322 if I'm not wrong. He did many tests with this already, and you clearly see our vehicles doesn't have that +200mph speed.

 

Now, I'll take here a very curious question. Around 2-3 patches ago (DLCs), we had the old websites for cars in-game. Those websites claimed some speeds like +300kph (~186mph). R* removed ANY numbers of speed from them and put bars instead. Now consider, there's a real speed limit of 120mph (OK OK, some cars exceed it, but just a bit), and someone buy a SharkCard and then, buy a car in-game, lets say Adder, and then, on HSC event, this person can't make that said speed. Wouldn't it be R* promising something that can not be done? Wouldn't be them forced to get your money back because they said you can go X fast with that car, but actually you can't? As far as I know, they would.

 

Understand now WHY the limit indeed exists? Even a fool can see his car is going MUCH slower than what is shown on that "dashboard" (sh*tboard IMHO).

 

"But but, why Social Club show those speeds?" Because it is not synchronized with the game, as the dashboard isn't with the real speed. Simple as that.

 

See this video, and compare the overtakes here vs in-game:

 

You probably can see the overtakes there are much faster than in-game.

 

Now, another example:

 

(with mod, see speedometer and the difference between Adder and NPCs).

[Hunter]

No.

 

 

 

An example is High Speed Challenge. Another example, is comparing by how fast you pass by cars in highway. Consider they are around 100kph, and you pass by them relatively fast. You probably overtook them around ~190-200kph.

Another example is using different speedometers.

Another example is checking vehicle files.

And, another one is using a real speed mod, and comparing the results. Those mods give you the real speed.

"No"? "No" to what? You're not making sense. I don't think a question was put out there for you to say "no" to.

 

As for this other stuff:

 

• "An example is High Speed Challenge."

Who is measuring the speed during High Speed Challenge? Who is to say this is more accurate than than the Social Club stats?

 

• "Another example, is comparing by how fast you pass by cars in highway."

What good is that? You're suggesting we should all just take a guess at what speed we're going, then put that out as a fact?

 

• "Another example is using different speedometers."

The speedometers are widely known to be completely inaccurate.

 

• "Another example is checking vehicle files. And, another one is using a real speed mod, and comparing the results. Those mods give you the real speed."

Why are you assuming everyone's on PC?

For example, notice how "slow" a jet with afterburner fly. You can see things, you can read plates flying them. And if they were at their real speed, you couldn't even count the plates on your way.

 

 

 

Now take it to cars. Consider cars in this game, any of them, go much slower than a Jet. If Jets are already slower, guess how slow are cars then.

What do jets have to do with this? For what it's worth, in my extensive time using jets, I haven't ever read anyone's license plate.

 

But if you want concrete results, use speedometers.

Even a fool can see his car is going MUCH slower than what is shown on that "dashboard".

 

 

 

Now, I'll take here a very curious question. Around 2-3 patches ago (DLCs), we had the old websites for cars in-game. Those websites claimed some speeds like +300kph (~186mph). R* removed ANY numbers of speed from them and put bars instead. Now consider, there's a real speed limit of 120mph (OK OK, some cars exceed it, but just a bit), and someone buy a SharkCard and then, buy a car in-game, lets say Adder, and then, on HSC event, this person can't make that said speed. Wouldn't it be R* promising something that can not be done? Wouldn't be them forced to get your money back because they said you can go X fast with that car, but actually you can't? As far as I know, they would.

What does this have to do with anything? No one brought up shark cards, or the websites, or whatever it is you're saying there.

 

Understand now WHY the limit indeed exists? Even a fool can see his car is going MUCH slower than what is shown on that "dashboard" (sh*tboard IMHO).

 

"But but, why Social Club show those speeds?" Because it is not synchronized with the game, as the dashboard isn't with the real speed. Simple as that.

Show me where anything was said about the dashboard. While you're at it, stop putting words in people's mouths.

 

And please don't adopt that slimy, condescending attitude - it's especially outrageous considering your wall of text is full of contradictions, inane rambling, and other assorted BS.

 

Now, another example:

 

(with mod, see speedometer and the difference between Adder and NPCs).

That's a single player mod - single player speeds don't translate into online speeds at all.

 

To conclude; she's just working with the speed the game is telling her she was at, just like various other people here (who, funnily enough, I don't see getting all this backlash).

[Polaco]

1) "No"? "No" to what? You're not making sense. I don't think a question was put out there for you to say "no" to.

 

As for this other stuff:

 

• "An example is High Speed Challenge."

Who is measuring the speed during High Speed Challenge? Who is to say this is more accurate than than the Social Club stats?

 

• "Another example, is comparing by how fast you pass by cars in highway."

What good is that? You're suggesting we should all just take a guess at what speed we're going, then put that out as a fact?

 

• "Another example is using different speedometers."

The speedometers are widely known to be completely inaccurate.

 

• "Another example is checking vehicle files. And, another one is using a real speed mod, and comparing the results. Those mods give you the real speed."

Why are you assuming everyone's on PC?

 

2) What do jets have to do with this? For what it's worth, in my extensive time using jets, I haven't ever read anyone's license plate.

 

3) What does this have to do with anything? No one brought up shark cards, or the websites, or whatever it is you're saying there.

 

4) Show me where anything was said about the dashboard. While you're at it, stop putting words in people's mouths.

 

And please don't adopt that slimy, condescending attitude - it's especially outrageous considering your wall of text is full of contradictions, inane rambling, and other assorted BS.

 

5) That's a single player mod - single player speeds don't translate into online speeds at all.

 

To conclude; she's just working with the speed the game is telling her she was at, just like various other people here (who, funnily enough, I don't see getting all this backlash).

I've enumerated the parts to make it easier to answer and to make it easier for you to understand, since it seems you have some problem to assimilate things.

 

1) The no was to the statement "In this game, that's the speed rockstar says it is.". Who is measuring? THE GAME! Simple as that. And then you may say "Oh but, the dashboard is a part of the game that measures it too, so that's right too" NO. The dashboard is an animation, non-synchronized to vehicle's speed.

There are speedometers mods which can measure almost 100% accurately the speed. I'm on PC, I don't care about who's on PS4, XBox One, I don't have consoles, I can't talk about them. I'm talking about speed, not which device the person is using to play the game.

 

Now, I'll take a line from handling.meta file, from Adder:

<fInitialDriveMaxFlatVel value="160.000000" />

 

The values are for vehicles without modifications, and measured in kph, kg (weight) and other metric systems. Of course, these are not the real value: they are a percentage of them. For example, lets say the Adder in-game reach 125mph (~201kph), and this value show 160kph (the .000 are just like, 160,0000...), so it is showing around ~80% of its real speed. How the game "gives" it the other 20%? I don't know, I don't had enough time to check completely how it works.

 

2) I'm talking about outdoors on the street. In a real Jet, you couldn't even read them if you fly low like that (which is prohibited in most zones) using an afterburner. That's just for comparison. Sorry if your mind couldn't think a bit.

 

3) I'm not saying anyone DID bought them HERE, on this topic. I'm just saying they removed that...haven't you ever wondered why? Gosh...

 

4) See this video, please, and stop acting like a dumb:

 

 

5) They do. Game doesn't use 2 separate files for online AND single player. The physics are the same, the behaviour is the same.

 

Seriously, you are the kind of guy who simply doesn't support paradoxes, try to fight them, to shut them, and fail. If most of people agree the speed is correct and everything is ok, then it's fine. If anyone, ever, say something is wrong, the world comes against him just because it escape the common stupid sense.

Start to think a bit out of the box, and let of being the stupid who you are now.

[JustinR512]

In the beginning, it was widely known that cars had slower max speeds in MP than they did in SP. It was assumed that this was due to the difficulty in syncing the positions of multiple players with each other when some of them are moving rapidly.

 

Whether there is still a difference between MP and SP today is something I don't know, but I do know that this difference wasn't created by having "2 separate files for online AND single player". Nothing so complicated as that would be needed. Just a simple bit of code that limits the speed of any vehicle by a certain amount if the game mode is MP.

 

In general, the reason for speed caps in this game isn't because Rockstar is dumb or they want to limit your fun. It's because of how huge the game world is, and how much information to draw the world needs to be loaded into memory.

[Hunter]

There are speedometers mods which can measure almost 100% accurately the speed. I'm on PC, I don't care about who's on PS4, XBox One, I don't have consoles, I can't talk about them. I'm talking about speed, not which device the person is using to play the game.

Well we're on consoles, so we don't care about who's on PC, or your cr*ppy mods.

 

And then you may say "Oh but, the dashboard is a part of the game that measures it too, so that's right too" NO.

Excuse me? Who said the dashboard gives the correct speed? I sure as hell didn't, and she sure as hell didn't.

 

Stop making stuff up. Stupid, obnoxious, little whore.

 

2) I'm talking about outdoors on the street. In a real Jet, you couldn't even read them if you fly low like that (which is prohibited in most zones) using an afterburner.

Jets don't drive down the street. Stop bringing up off-topic BS.

 

3) I'm not saying anyone DID bought them HERE, on this topic. I'm just saying they removed that...haven't you ever wondered why? Gosh...

 

Shark cards don't have anything to do with this. Frankly, I fail to see how half of your post actually considers the matter at hand, but then it's barely legible, so that might be it.

 

4) See this video, please, and stop acting like a dumb:

-snip-

I don't care about your stupid, irrelevant video. I asked you to show where anyone said dashboards give a reliable reading, and you haven't shown that. Until you do, stop putting words in people's mouths. Moron.

 

5) They do. Game doesn't use 2 separate files for online AND single player. The physics are the same, the behaviour is the same.

They don't. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

Oh boy, you obviously never heard of irony, did you?

 

"let of being the stupid" ... Lmao.

 

You obviously are less intelligent than a baby gorilla, so stop saying how smart you are, lol.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Arrows to Athens]

I'm pretty sure the Social Club stats, in-game website stats, and the speedometer are all inaccurate. Broughy has already proven this. Is the free roam top speed challenge speedometer accurate? Well, I can't be completely sure, but it's definitely much more accurate than the other three listed. If you want the top speeds of all cars and bikes, click the link in my signature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Top speed of all cars and bikes (read the description):

 

Edited July 17, 2016 by Arrows to Athens

[Tonguegirl]

^^ I think this may be a nutshell moment ^^

[Polaco]

-snip-

I would for once again, answer your stupidity, but this time, I won't. I won't spend my time with people like you.

 

You are in some kind of infinite loop of what-the-f*ck, and all you do is creat discussion on stupid points, go against people and insult them. I came here, shown examples, show values, show everything, and you still insult me, and say I'm wrong. I really tried, by any means to explain you how speed in-game works, and why there's a "limit". You still said all of it is BS, which came from my mind, and basically ignored any reasoned argument made by me. You can do whatever you want, reply to my post here, or provoke me anywhere, but now, you've just shown yourself, and who you are is a nasty, ignorant and stupid person. Instead of admit I was right, you simply went against any rational logic. I feel bad for you. Don't expect a reply from me to you again.

 

In general, the reason for speed caps in this game isn't because Rockstar is dumb or they want to limit your fun. It's because of how huge the game world is, and how much information to draw the world needs to be loaded into memory.

I wish it was the real reason, but look: my PC specs aren't the best out there, really. I get around 35-40fps on High. I used mods those allow you to go faster (in SP, obviously, I don't want to be banned), 2x faster to be honest, like in the video, with full traffic and etc, and there was ZERO fps drop, lag or anything else. Load memory faster (because your vehicle is going faster, then you arrive, for example, at that building faster, and it needs to be loaded faster, too), isn't a reason here, unfortunately. What is the reason then? I really don't know. I saw many people going much faster (with mods) and they had no problems too. I think, like we choose our aim, we could be able to choose if we want realistic top speed or not, too.

 

-//-

Thanks for putting together all those videos. Basically, that's it, too.