Official Mass Effect Topic

[Creed Bratton]

Both models aren't that different, technically. One just seems more conventionally pretty than the other and IMO that doesn't bother me. That's more interesting honestly.

Beauty isn't the point. When you take into consideration the actual model that she was based on, it speaks volumes about Bioware's competence and talent involved.

 

Maybe that's why the facial animations are so screwy, all the facial features are just too damn big.

I don't think so. As far as I'm aware there are two ways to do facial animations. Either with or without the use of motion capture. MGS V uses motion capture for example, and some big AAA titles like Uncharted 4, Tomb Raider, GTA V, LA Noire etc. And then there are games that don't do it. But one such game is also The Witcher 3. Unlike Mass Effect Andromeda though, CDPR decided not just to create a basic facial animation algorithm, they also decided to handcraft every facial animation. The amount of detail that went into it is quite staggering. That's why they don't have that "uncanny valley" feel than even some motion capture tends to have.

[Fuzzknuckles]

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

[WHAT!?]

 

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

 

 

I dunno know. I think anon is closer to the mark.

 

The stock model looks like she was born prematurely and suffers a cranial defect. Maybe that explains the odd motor skills. I might have just created the back story that gives BioWare a pass.

 

 

 

[feckyerlife]

so sad and so true

 

[Fuzzknuckles]

Yes, because the entire team, every single one of them, worked on that one face. f*ck's sake.

 

 

 

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

 

 

I dunno know. I think anon is closer to the mark.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about more accurate to the model it was based on, I'm talking about looking like an average person.

 

I mean, I guess the question I'm subconciously asking is whether she needed to be based on a "hot model" or whether, 40+ years into gaming, it's time to base our games characters on average people? Rather than pandering to bed-wetting little boys who can't handle playing as a girl unless she's a hot girl that they could fap over.

 

Which, really opens up some very interesting other questions - why do guys only want to play as a girl you'd have one off the wrist to? Do they secretly want to be a hot girl so that men can jack it to them?

 

THIS RABBIT HOLE GOES PRETTY DEEP.

[Gay Tony]

If I were Jayde I'd be pretty insulted I think. Sorta odd too because Scott looks much more like his model than she does.

[WHAT!?]

Yes, because the entire team, every single one of them, worked on that one face. f*ck's sake.

 

 

 

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

 

 

I dunno know. I think anon is closer to the mark.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about more accurate to the model it was based on, I'm talking about looking like an average person.

 

I mean, I guess the question I'm subconciously asking is whether she needed to be based on a "hot model" or whether, 40+ years into gaming, it's time to base our games characters on average people? Rather than pandering to bed-wetting little boys who can't handle playing as a girl unless she's a hot girl that they could fap over.

 

Which, really opens up some very interesting other questions - why do guys only want to play as a girl you'd have one off the wrist to? Do they secretly want to be a hot girl so that men can jack it to them?

 

THIS RABBIT HOLE GOES PRETTY DEEP.

 

That's a fair enough observation, I'd only counter with... Why did the design team start with a hot model if they were going to make said model look remarkably less attractive? I'm looking at it less from a standpoint of giving everyone equal representation and more from a perspective of "did their finished product accurately represent their source material?". To which I'd say that it does not... and it makes me question whether its an issue of incompetence or if they actively made a decision to "ugly her up" in an effort to appeal to the argument you're making here.

 

Anyway, I always play as a dude. Maybe I caught the gay. Help me Mike Pence.

[Candy_Licker]

Yes, because the entire team, every single one of them, worked on that one face. f*ck's sake.

 

 

 

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

 

 

I dunno know. I think anon is closer to the mark.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about more accurate to the model it was based on, I'm talking about looking like an average person.

 

I mean, I guess the question I'm subconciously asking is whether she needed to be based on a "hot model" or whether, 40+ years into gaming, it's time to base our games characters on average people? Rather than pandering to bed-wetting little boys who can't handle playing as a girl unless she's a hot girl that they could fap over.

 

Which, really opens up some very interesting other questions - why do guys only want to play as a girl you'd have one off the wrist to? Do they secretly want to be a hot girl so that men can jack it to them?

 

 

 

Don't go into stawman territory here. This has nothing to do with attractiveness. Yes, there have been numerous complaints about not having enough pretty characters by some dudes, but this is mostly about companions, and it's not the reason the faces (especially that of Sara) gets so much hate. Her face just looks unnatural. Bloated, but even more unnatural is her glowing skin.

To brush this off as some sort of pubertal ragefast because Bioware chose to create a non-sexualized realistic character is ridiculous apologism.

I don't want to say this hobby face looks more realistic, because it is pointless discussing about that based on this comparison photo.

[Candy_Licker]

 

Gamespot is giving this game a 6/10. i havent seen any great reviews yet, mostly negative or meh

 

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/mass-effect-andromeda-review/1900-6416638/

I wouldn't say Gamespot is the most reliable gaming website out there. Reviews seem mixed at the moment, ranging from 6/10 to 9/10.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/mass-effect-andromeda?ref=hp It's currently at 7.5 average.

 

Despite the bugs and animations I'm still going to get it. Partially because I'm a Mass Effect junky but also because everything I've seen so far shows this is a game I want to play. It just looks like so much fun, and ultimately that's the most important reason to play videogames.

 

 

7.5 on average for a major title like ME means it's really, really bad. It it was halfway decent, it would get ratings around 85. Also, read the entries that haven't awarded a score. Some pretty brutal stuff.

 

If press scores are already so-so, you can expect a damning verdict by user score. I know many disappointed ex-Bioware fans and gamergate morons have been waiting and searching for every tiny chance to lash out against the game, and it looks like Bioware delivered them a big birthday cake . They are going to have a field day. I expect a giant ocean of tears and nerdrage here.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Candy_Licker

[feckyerlife]

 

Yes, because the entire team, every single one of them, worked on that one face. f*ck's sake.

 

 

 

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

 

 

I dunno know. I think anon is closer to the mark.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about more accurate to the model it was based on, I'm talking about looking like an average person.

 

I mean, I guess the question I'm subconciously asking is whether she needed to be based on a "hot model" or whether, 40+ years into gaming, it's time to base our games characters on average people? Rather than pandering to bed-wetting little boys who can't handle playing as a girl unless she's a hot girl that they could fap over.

 

Which, really opens up some very interesting other questions - why do guys only want to play as a girl you'd have one off the wrist to? Do they secretly want to be a hot girl so that men can jack it to them?

 

 

 

Don't go into stawman territory here. This has nothing to do with attractiveness. Yes, there have been numerous complaints about not having enough pretty characters by some dudes, but this is mostly about companions, and it's not the reason the faces (especially that of Sara) gets so much hate. Her face just looks unnatural. Bloated, but even more unnatural is her glowing skin.

To brush this off as some sort of pubertal ragefast because Bioware chose to create a non-sexualized realistic character is ridiculous apologism.

I don't want to say this hobby face looks more realistic, because it is pointless discussing about that based on this comparison photo.

 

she looks like she just had her wisdom teeth removed.

[Candy_Licker]

 

 

Yes, because the entire team, every single one of them, worked on that one face. f*ck's sake.

 

 

 

That's more interesting honestly.

It's also more honest. While the "anon" generated model (tweaked from the real model by the looks of it, so not a massive achievement) is more conventionally attractive, she looks less real IMO.

 

And considering the last 30-odd years of gaming has resulted in a f*cking tsunami of unrealistic, titsandass female characters, I'm ready to welcome female characters that are more than that.

 

 

I dunno know. I think anon is closer to the mark.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about more accurate to the model it was based on, I'm talking about looking like an average person.

 

I mean, I guess the question I'm subconciously asking is whether she needed to be based on a "hot model" or whether, 40+ years into gaming, it's time to base our games characters on average people? Rather than pandering to bed-wetting little boys who can't handle playing as a girl unless she's a hot girl that they could fap over.

 

Which, really opens up some very interesting other questions - why do guys only want to play as a girl you'd have one off the wrist to? Do they secretly want to be a hot girl so that men can jack it to them?

 

 

 

Don't go into stawman territory here. This has nothing to do with attractiveness. Yes, there have been numerous complaints about not having enough pretty characters by some dudes, but this is mostly about companions, and it's not the reason the faces (especially that of Sara) gets so much hate. Her face just looks unnatural. Bloated, but even more unnatural is her glowing skin.

To brush this off as some sort of pubertal ragefast because Bioware chose to create a non-sexualized realistic character is ridiculous apologism.

I don't want to say this hobby face looks more realistic, because it is pointless discussing about that based on this comparison photo.

 

she looks like she just had her wisdom teeth removed.

 

 

Or after being a full year on prednisolone.

[chronic lumbago]

Now I'm officially butthurt. I don't want to be and I honestly don't think anything good about the "the game sucks balls even before I've played it" attidute, but damn, how could it be so bad?

There is NO place for a 6/10 or 7/10 in Mass Effect. Technical issues aside, the thing that got me worried the most is the bad writing and boring quests. Really Bioware?

 

ONCE in my life I decided to preorder. ONE f*ckING TIME IN MY LIFE. Who knows, maybe I'll like it as a game, but from what I've heard so far, I'm sadly convinced that Andromeda won't be a worthy Mass Effect title. Maybe I'll simply be less disappointed because now I know it's flawed?

 

All I can do now is rant anyways, so I'll better keep this to myself.

It looked just so damn promising.. bad time for space games eh?

Edited March 20, 2017 by fashion

[feckyerlife]

Now I'm officially butthurt. I don't want to be and I honestly don't think anything good about the "the game sucks balls even before I've played it" attidute, but damn, how could it be so bad?

There is NO place for a 6/10 or 7/10 in Mass Effect. Technical issues aside, the thing that got me worried the most is the bad writing and boring quests. Really Bioware?

 

ONCE in my life I decided to preorder. ONE f*ckING TIME IN MY LIFE. Who knows, maybe I'll like it as a game, but from what I've heard so far, I'm sadly convinced that Andromeda won't be a worthy Mass Effect title. Maybe I'll simply be less disappointed because now I know it's flawed?

 

All I can do now is rant anyways, so I'll better keep this to myself.

It looked just so damn promising.. bad time for space games eh?

the more i read, the more this game sounds like a space version of DA:I and that is what scares me the most.

[Creed Bratton]

the more i read, the more this game sounds like a space version of DA:I and that is what scares me the most.

Dragon Age Inquisition is a bad game. There were some good parts but overall not nearly enough to justify its existence. And I never want to play that game again. Playing it felt like boring work. And it looks like ME:A follows very similar design philosophy. But gameplay is probably better than DA:I simply because combat looks like fun. On the other hand writing in DA:I wasn't as cringeworthy. It was nothing special, but it wasn't really bad.

 

I've seen more of the multiplayer footage. And now I wish that multiplayer mode can be purchased separately. Maybe EA will come to its senses and release Battlefield: Mass Effect some day. Although it probably should be an arena shooter. So much potential with this IP and this is the best that they can come up with. It's such a shame that it belongs to one of the most unworthy companies in existence.

Edited March 20, 2017 by The Yokel

[Candy_Licker]

Now I'm officially butthurt. I don't want to be and I honestly don't think anything good about the "the game sucks balls even before I've played it" attidute, but damn, how could it be so bad?

There is NO place for a 6/10 or 7/10 in Mass Effect. Technical issues aside, the thing that got me worried the most is the bad writing and boring quests. Really Bioware?

 

ONCE in my life I decided to preorder. ONE f*ckING TIME IN MY LIFE. Who knows, maybe I'll like it as a game, but from what I've heard so far, I'm sadly convinced that Andromeda won't be a worthy Mass Effect title. Maybe I'll simply be less disappointed because now I know it's flawed?

 

All I can do now is rant anyways, so I'll better keep this to myself.

It looked just so damn promising.. bad time for space games eh?

 

You have to remeber, all what's left of Bioware is the name now, the people behind the name that made are long gone.

[Leftist Bastard]

so sad and so true

 

I'm sorry but this is a f*cking joke. Pretending CDPR isn't a massive AAA studio is disingenuous to say the least. Witcher 3 was an 80$ million dollar production; with 240 in house developers working on it around the clock and 1,500 people globally and it was made in Poland; which gives that money considerably more mileage than it would in the states/Canada.

 

They're only indie on the most technical of terms, because they're not owned by a big publisher but their capabilities are that of a big studio like Bethesda or BioWare. But for all we know Witcher 3 might have genuinely cost more to make than MEA has.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Leftist Bastard

[feckyerlife]

 

so sad and so true

 

I'm sorry but this is a f*cking joke. Pretending CDPR isn't a massive AAA studio is disingenuous to say the least. Witcher 3 was an 80$ million dollar production; with 240 in house developers working on it around the clock and 1,500 people globally and it was made in Poland; which gives that money considerably more mileage than it would in the states/Canada.

 

They're only indie on the most technical of terms, because they're not owned by a big publisher but their capabilities are that of a big studio like Bethesda or BioWare. But for all we know Witcher 3 might have genuinely cost more to make than MEA has.

 

thats fine and dandy and probably true, but the witcher 3 is also 2 years old. This game should look better than witcher 3, not 5 steps back. it reminds me of a bethesda game. Also i dont think of CDPR as a massive AAA studio until after the witcher 3. before W3 i thought of them as a minor AAA studio, no one knew who CDPR was until W3 besides the hardcore witcher fans. Regular people have known bioware for 20 yrs.

[Leftist Bastard]

It's actually kinda crazy that it's been 2 years. Feels like yesterday.

 

The Witcher 1 and 2 were hits [2 more so than one, I think] that put them on the map and got them the funding for TW3. TW3 was a big production rivaling those you'd see from Ubisoft studios or EA funded studios, like BioWare.

 

I'm not against the comparison in itself but CDPR aren't 3 Polish friends making games with track suits for sustenance. Its a big production.

[Creed Bratton]

Also i dont think of CDPR as a massive AAA studio until after the witcher 3. before W3 i thought of them as a minor AAA studio, no one knew who CDPR was until W3 besides the hardcore witcher fans. Regular people have known bioware for 20 yrs.

This is correct. And it's also why I'm pumped for Cyberpunk 2077. I can't even begin to imagine what they have in store.

 

I'm not against the comparison in itself but CDPR aren't 3 Polish friends making games with track suits for sustenance. Its a big production.

It doesn't matter how big it is. Even if it's 3000 they're still all wearing Adidas tracksuits.

Edited March 20, 2017 by The Yokel

[dudclub55]

thats fine and dandy and probably true, but the witcher 3 is also 2 years old. This game should look better than witcher 3, not 5 steps back. it reminds me of a bethesda game. Also i dont think of CDPR as a massive AAA studio until after the witcher 3. before W3 i thought of them as a minor AAA studio, no one knew who CDPR was until W3 besides the hardcore witcher fans. Regular people have known bioware for 20 yrs.

 

 

 

 

MEA's budget is actually half of that of TW3's.

[HaythamKenway]

CDPR is just in an incredibly fortunate position. They can comparatively hire better talent for much cheaper, while still happily drowning them in the crunch like everyone else, than a studio based in one of Canada's biggest and most expensive cities. They are independent, meaning no international moloch cracking whips over them, telling them how to make their game, while they also run big enough business on the publishing side to afford AAA budgets (unlike other local devs who mostly either slave under conglomerates who throw them scraps of outsourced projects, beg for money on Kickstarter or scrape by with small indie titles). And finally, The Witcher was simply their dream passion project. These people went in wanting to do justice to a series that is one of tentpoles of the fantasy genre around here. It wasn't just a paycheck for them.

 

CDPR is a lucky deviation in the current industry. Meanwhile BioWare got the EA kiss of death and turned into their dedicated RPG division.

 

Back to MEA, I've watched some more late game videos (including romance) and the dialogue is like The Citadel DLC with Watch Dogs 2 smashed together. Part Joss Whedon and part cringe-on-purpose.

 

Yeah. This really isn't for everyone. I chuckled a lot though. There's lot of genuinely funny quips and gags there that really endear you to the characters, in ME's grand tradition of drunk Tali and singing Mordin and quirky Legion etc. I'm a degenerate who likes this kind of humor, I guess.

 

The difference, I suppose, is that Mordin had a lot of depth beyond being a wacky salarian scientist. Whether MEA's crew lives up to that, that will only be answered with a full playthrough. I already gave up on Peebee though, I doubt they can do anything to redeem her.

Edited March 20, 2017 by HaythamKenway

[Jonesizzle]

Got a call from GameStop and instead of a midnight release they are doing a 9 clock release... f*cking score.

[Quinn_flower]

i bought the deluxe edition. only reason i got a pc was to play with mods and finally experience mass effect in ultra quality on 1070.

 

i wont let the reviews bother me but i do hope they fix it.

[Jonesizzle]

I've heard about all the reviews, but as long as it feels like a mass effect game then that's good enough for me.

[GIRR]

Half an hour to go!

[Quinn_flower]

45 mins to dl left smh hurry up already!!!!!

[Joemoetoe]

[GIRR]

That Korgans voice! He's so faaaaabulous LMAO

[Coin]

Honestly I'm just surprised that it's 2017 and some people still even care about what Gamespot, IGN et al put out in terms of reviews.

 

I've heard about all the reviews, but as long as it feels like a mass effect game then that's good enough for me.

 

I'm with you on this.

Edited March 21, 2017 by JZFB

[Fallcreek]

I'm enjoying the game so far, but is anyone else wish the character creation was more flushed out? It feels kind of shallow imo. Still managed to make a decent looking Ryder though, so I can't really complain all that much lol.