Pegasus vehicle spamming

[Kyrrari]

The least R* could do is make the damn cooldown start when the Hydra is destroyed, not when it's spawned. 2 minute cooldown doesn't mean a damn thing when it takes you 3 to get to the helipad and then to the target... At least if I blow your ass out of the sky 2 extra minutes of clear airspace is enough to finish a delivery.

[CarimboHanky]

voted NO!

 

seriously, the game is full of cooldowns already, the fact some people think adding more would fix anything give me headache!

[Roronoa Zoro]

I just shoot them down, and go on about my business. I also have no desire to have a cooldown on the vehicles i bought, so no.

[SeveralChickens]

There's a five minute cooldown for calling in PV's, so it makes absolutely no sense to not have one for pegasus vehicles. Especially armed ones such as the tank and the hydra.

 

If I gotta wait five minutes to call in my PV after you blow it up with your hydra, you should have to wait five minutes to call in your hydra if I take you out. Either remove the cooldown for PV's, or add it for hydra's/armed pegasus vehicles.

Edited June 21, 2016 by SeveralChickens

[SoDank_ItPainsMe]

Remove mechanic cooldown or reduce it to a minute not 5, cool down the jets only.

[SeveralChickens]

voted NO!

 

seriously, the game is full of cooldowns already, the fact some people think adding more would fix anything give me headache!

 

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

I gotta wait five minutes to have my freaking bike delivered, but Mr. Jet griefer can just instantly grab another hydra? Da fuq?

Edited June 21, 2016 by SeveralChickens

[CarimboHanky]

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

 

R* removing the useless 5mins cooldown for pv request would be better, that cooldown serves no purpose at all, it never stopped or slowed down car duping, which is the main reason why it was put in place.

[Mr_Zombly]

 

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

R* removing the useless 5mins cooldown for pv request would be better, that cooldown serves no purpose at all, it never stopped or slowed down car duping, which is the main reason why it was put in place.

 

I agree there, the pv cooldwon is a bitch, but I still think there should be cool downs for the op pegasus vehicles. It's more likely to happen than a nerf anyway.

[MrGrandis]

 

 

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

R* removing the useless 5mins cooldown for pv request would be better, that cooldown serves no purpose at all, it never stopped or slowed down car duping, which is the main reason why it was put in place.

 

I agree there, the pv cooldwon is a bitch, but I still think there should be cool downs for the op pegasus vehicles. It's more likely to happen than a nerf anyway.

 

Adding cool down for Hydra? People will get the Lazer instead. (And a experienced pilot will go for the Lazer not Hydra anyway)

[Mr_Zombly]

 

 

 

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

R* removing the useless 5mins cooldown for pv request would be better, that cooldown serves no purpose at all, it never stopped or slowed down car duping, which is the main reason why it was put in place.

 

I agree there, the pv cooldwon is a bitch, but I still think there should be cool downs for the op pegasus vehicles. It's more likely to happen than a nerf anyway.

 

Adding cool down for Hydra? People will get the Lazer instead. (And a experienced pilot will go for the Lazer not Hydra anyway)

 

At least there's effort and/or money put into getting one though even if it isn't much, it's more than the hydra.

[Razgriz67]

 

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

I gotta wait five minutes to have my freaking bike delivered, but Mr. Jet griefer can just instantly grab another hydra? Da fuq?

 

 

And what pisses me off more (and happens to me way more often) is i call my PV I die before it arrives but now I gotta wait 5 f*cking min to call it in again cuse it failed to be delivered because I died

 

Adding cool down for Hydra? People will get the Lazer instead. (And a experienced pilot will go for the Lazer not Hydra anyway)

 

 

Problem? I don't see one

 

your avoiding everyone's complaint of Hydra spamming.

[MrGrandis]

 

 

Because it would add balance.

 

Blow up someone's PV after they just called it in, and they gotta wait five minutes. Blow up someone's hydra, and they can call in another one instantly. Back to back to back if they had to.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

I gotta wait five minutes to have my freaking bike delivered, but Mr. Jet griefer can just instantly grab another hydra? Da fuq?

 

And what pisses me off more (and happens to me way more often) is i call my PV I die before it arrives but now I gotta wait 5 f*cking min to call it in again cuse it failed to be delivered because I died

 

Adding cool down for Hydra? People will get the Lazer instead. (And a experienced pilot will go for the Lazer not Hydra anyway)

 

Problem? I don't see one

 

your avoiding everyone's complaint of Hydra spamming.

I dont oppose adding a timer to a specific high fire power pegasus vehicle, jist saying that it wont stop people flying jets around

[Azarael]

A cooldown is desperately needed on Pegasus vehicles. GTA should not be a military simulator, but the lack of cooldown on Pegasus vehicles is making it one. It's absolutely unfair that I can put work in to destroy your inherently overpowered military vehicle and you are able to replace it for $200 within 2 minutes. There is no balancing factor on military vehicles relative to standard vehicles. Free Roam will continue to be lol military vehicles until this stops, because I have absolutely no motivation to try to fight in a Ruiner or a T20 or a Maverick or even a Stockade if I can, instead, near-permanently drive around in a military vehicle.

 

This is probably why people don't bother to mass shoot down military vehicles and we have topics about jets. If a Hydra had a 30-60 minute cooldown, you could bet your ass that more people would heavy snipe them down, knowing that the problem is then dealt with for a significant period of time, rather than you making the jet smoke, the pilot bailing and hitting Passive, and then him being back in the air within 2 minutes in a brand spanking new $200 Hydra. If I wreck a T20 I have to pay $20,000. If I wreck a Hydra? $200. Ridiculous.

 

Maybe the people opposing a cooldown with one liners like "lol there are too many cooldowns" or "lol that won't fix anything" could actually make a point? You know, about how military vehicles are fine without a cooldown and it totally doesn't make the entire game about military vehicles when you can, if you so wish, spend 90% of your play time in an overpowered military vehicle?

 

Wish these people would go play Battlefield rather than try to make an urban crime simulation game about freaking military crap. There are plenty of games infested with military weapons and vehicles, but no games like what GTA should be and mostly was back in the SA:MP days.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Azarael

[chillandgo]

First post in what... 11 years

 

I have been playing the latest update with a hydra. I use it to pick up packages and also defend team members. I never grief other people and any time I need to fly in close proximity to other players I send a chat message saying friendly. One time I sent the message and still a guy took me down with a homing missile. Instead of raging and battling him for hours I just said hey dude I said I wasn't gonna attack you. This time the guy apologized and said he is so used to seeing jet griefers he thought I'd be the same.

 

Even if this guy continued to be hostile to me I wouldn't care - it is gta and people can play as they like.

 

Now occasionally when grabbing packages I will get a bit damaged and usually I nose dive and parachute out, call pegasus and parachute all the way down to my new hydra.

 

This is how I play, I love flying in this game. Now if they were to put in a 5 minute cooldown I can see a couple of problems:

 

1) if I call pegasus and it glitches out and says, when you get to the pickup point; "sorry we have been unable to bring you your aircraft" then most likely rockstar is incompetent enough that I will be forced to wait 5 minutes to call it again

2) if it chooses to put my aircraft near a player and the player steals it then that's another 5 minute cooldown

 

So in conclusion I say do not prevent me from playing in my non hostile ways just because of others who like to abuse the feature. Also I believe if you are polite in chat to the person griefing you then you are much more likely to reach a positive resolution, as opposed to raging hard in the chat. Say: "Hey dude you're rekking me good, good fight but can we call a truce for a bit?" rather than "OMFG f*ckING JET GRIEFING 12 YEAR OLDS GET A LIFE"

 

 

[MrGrandis]

A cooldown is desperately needed on Pegasus vehicles. GTA should not be a military simulator, but the lack of cooldown on Pegasus vehicles is making it one. It's absolutely unfair that I can put work in to destroy your inherently overpowered military vehicle and you are able to replace it for $200 within 2 minutes. There is no balancing factor on military vehicles relative to standard vehicles. Free Roam will continue to be lol military vehicles until this stops, because I have absolutely no motivation to try to fight in a Ruiner or a T20 or a Maverick or even a Stockade if I can, instead, near-permanently drive around in a military vehicle.

 

This is probably why people don't bother to mass shoot down military vehicles and we have topics about jets. If a Hydra had a 30-60 minute cooldown, you could bet your ass that more people would heavy snipe them down, knowing that the problem is then dealt with for a significant period of time, rather than you making the jet smoke, the pilot bailing and hitting Passive, and then him being back in the air within 2 minutes in a brand spanking new $200 Hydra. If I wreck a T20 I have to pay $20,000. If I wreck a Hydra? $200. Ridiculous.

 

Maybe the people opposing a cooldown with one liners like "lol there are too many cooldowns" or "lol that won't fix anything" could actually make a point? You know, about how military vehicles are fine without a cooldown and it totally doesn't make the entire game about military vehicles when you can, if you so wish, spend 90% of your play time in an overpowered military vehicle?

 

Wish these people would go play Battlefield rather than try to make an urban crime simulation game about freaking military crap. There are plenty of games infested with military weapons and vehicles, but no games like what GTA should be and mostly was back in the SA:MP days.

In order to remove the jet griefing that everyone hates, removing the explosive cannons or switch them to the minigun used on the turreted limo/ karin technical will be better then cooldown timer. Solving overpowered vehicle should address the problem on them not how frequent you can acquire it. Edited June 21, 2016 by Mr Grandis

[Jehannum]

No more cooldowns.

[Azarael]

 

A cooldown is desperately needed on Pegasus vehicles. GTA should not be a military simulator, but the lack of cooldown on Pegasus vehicles is making it one. It's absolutely unfair that I can put work in to destroy your inherently overpowered military vehicle and you are able to replace it for $200 within 2 minutes. There is no balancing factor on military vehicles relative to standard vehicles. Free Roam will continue to be lol military vehicles until this stops, because I have absolutely no motivation to try to fight in a Ruiner or a T20 or a Maverick or even a Stockade if I can, instead, near-permanently drive around in a military vehicle.

 

This is probably why people don't bother to mass shoot down military vehicles and we have topics about jets. If a Hydra had a 30-60 minute cooldown, you could bet your ass that more people would heavy snipe them down, knowing that the problem is then dealt with for a significant period of time, rather than you making the jet smoke, the pilot bailing and hitting Passive, and then him being back in the air within 2 minutes in a brand spanking new $200 Hydra. If I wreck a T20 I have to pay $20,000. If I wreck a Hydra? $200. Ridiculous.

 

Maybe the people opposing a cooldown with one liners like "lol there are too many cooldowns" or "lol that won't fix anything" could actually make a point? You know, about how military vehicles are fine without a cooldown and it totally doesn't make the entire game about military vehicles when you can, if you so wish, spend 90% of your play time in an overpowered military vehicle?

 

Wish these people would go play Battlefield rather than try to make an urban crime simulation game about freaking military crap. There are plenty of games infested with military weapons and vehicles, but no games like what GTA should be and mostly was back in the SA:MP days.

In order to remove the jet griefing that everyone hates, removing the explosive cannons or switch them to the minigun used on the turreted limo/ karin technical will be better then cooldown timer. Solving overpowered vehicle should address the problem on them not how frequent you can acquire it.

 

 

But nerfing jets isn't the only reason to introduce a cooldown timer. The other problem is that because military vehicles are so cheap to replace and can be called so frequently, there is no motivation to use the non-military vehicles in free roam unless you are forced to.

 

I didn't sign up for a military simulator, I signed up for GTA, as it's defined by single player. The series always restricts the military hardware until either the end of the storyline or very close to that point and the missions are rarely about military vehicles. Online by contrast is almost entirely about military and combat vehicles. This warps the game into something it's not and that it cannot do well.

 

 

No more cooldowns.

 

And this is why voting is a cancer. I can spend all my time detailing my position and then someone like you can drive by with a one-liner and add your vote and it's counted exactly the same as mine. For all I know you could be a jet griefer.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Azarael

[MrGrandis]

GTA become a military simulator because R* fu*ked it up.

 

They introduced you shouldn't own, for example, the tank in the first place.

 

Oh the tank is too powerful? Nerf them

Oh you got raped by Lazer? Don't worry you can now too with the cops turned blind eyes aid

Oh you can't fight them around Zancoudo? We now let you purchase the Hydra!

 

Bit by bit R* removing the traditional GTA style where you should ground battle in cars and guns, and turned to somethine completely different.

 

If R* ever address the issue with military simulator, adding a timer will not stop people doing it.

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

i had a great laugh from that on-point commentary, from your laugh especially.

[Azarael]

It wouldn't stop it completely, but it would go a long way towards doing so.

 

I don't totally disagree with having military vehicles available. It's just that some people want them to be vastly more powerful than standard vehicles while costing less to replace and having almost the same uptime. That's ridiculous and it leads to the gameplay being totally masked, as you said.

 

Modifying the cooldown and cost goes a long way towards balancing these vehicles, as not only do they become less prevalent, but regular players have much more of an incentive to shoot them down when they do appear because they know there is actually a cost to the military vehicle user for losing the vehicle.

 

Military vehicle users know this and it's why a lot of them are rushing to vote "no". It's very telling that when we discuss nerfing military vehicles, there are objections based in realism, but when an alternative method of balancing them comes along which preserves their more "realistic" power but reduces the prevalence (again in line with realism), suddenly it's not about realism any more - it's about protecting their OP. That's why these vote threads are pointless - you can't filter out people who are voting based on preserving their OP from the poll.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Azarael

[Razgriz67]

If R* ever address the issue with military simulator, adding a timer will not stop people doing it.

 

Again what a lot of people keep forgetting is that R* arent adding something that wasnt there before. There just re-adding what they removed.

 

There used to be a timer for all Pegasus Vehicles which since has been removed. but no one really cared untill VIP work came out because thats when the Hydra spamming grew to a ridiculous frequency.

 

Why so against re-adding a balancing feature?

 

Oh and Azarael there isnt a 2 min cool down to call in a hydra. it just takes 2 min on average to get back in one if shot down

Edited June 21, 2016 by razgriz67

[Hunter]

Well if you are suffering from Hydra abuse it affects your logic lol.

razgriz67 and l Marksman God l are die hard jet guys, and they support cool downs on them, so your assumption doesn't really pan out.

[Azarael]

Oh and Azarael there isnt a 2 min cool down to call in a hydra. it just takes 2 min on average to get back in one if shot down

 

 

I stand corrected on that, then.

[TreFacTor]

Voted no because theres already a cool down. You do still have to get to an area to pick up said vehicle aside from the vip vehicles. Someone also pointed out that this restriction would hinder pve also.

[Aether]

Wait... so there WAS a cooldown for pegasus and rockstar took it away?

 

At first I thought this was just a simple anti-pilot hate thread disguised as a thread regarding all of the pegasus vehicles(wait a second.....).

 

 

However if rockstar had a system/game mechanic in place and they removed it then even I would agree with putting the timer back. They always have to tweak something that actually does upset the balance. Those fiends.

 

Those noobie ass H-27 drivers were a pain in the ass before when they stayed in passive mode forever. Now they can just spam more hydras on top of that?

 

Down with passive mode and that stupid hydra spamming hahaha. Just don't f*ck with the P-996 and I won't give a sh*t.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Tempest

[MrGrandis]

 

If R* ever address the issue with military simulator, adding a timer will not stop people doing it.

Again what a lot of people keep forgetting is that R* arent adding something that wasnt there before. There just re-adding what they removed.

 

There used to be a timer for all Pegasus Vehicles which since has been removed. but no one really cared untill VIP work came out because thats when the Hydra spamming grew to a ridiculous frequency.

 

Why so against re-adding a balancing feature?

 

Oh and Azarael there isnt a 2 min cool down to call in a hydra. it just takes 2 min on average to get back in one if shot down

 

Just think of the scenario where someone above mentioned, if you want to use it quick ( not for griefing) and it got transfered to other place or recalled by pegasus, a cooldown timer will not be on your side.

 

Seeing recently (not so recent) the mission payout are maxinised around $25k, i think increasing the cost for using it once is better. It make sense as maintaining a jet in real life is expensive, military type vehicle should cost more to call. Not just $200. They did it with the CEO update where using your assistant to get your pegasus vehicle, the one equip with weapons are much more coatly to a point i just use my car, and drove to the helipad instead

Edited June 21, 2016 by Mr Grandis

[Furry_Monkey]

Just have "Jonny on the spot" deliver it instead. That way, half the time it would be upside-down or underground.

 

 

I voted "yes for the Hydra", but I personally don't have a problem with them, even when you do get a Pegasus spammer. It would make some sense though, and it would certainly curtail a lot of moaning in this forum (lel - sure).

Edited June 21, 2016 by Furry_Monkey

[.Vooodu.]

Im all for adding a major cool down to jets at the very least. . Sure why not.. And remove passive in the jet too.

 

 

I could give a rats ass if they did that... Whats the worst that could happen besides less jets for a small time being?

Edited June 21, 2016 by .Vooodu.

[Gridl0k]

Passive mode disabled in Swift etc but not Hydra

Cooldown for PVs but not Hydra

Cooldown for CEO vehicles but not Hydra

Rank requirement for Dubsta 6x6 but not Hydra

Dodo only spawns at runways but not Hydra

Homing missile fatal against helicopters but not Hydra

Homing missile from behind can't be avoided in helicopters but not Hydra

 

And people are complaining?

Edited June 21, 2016 by Gridl0k

[kk9fan97]

There are enough f*cking cooldowns in the game already.

Yes but on all the wrong stuff. Like having to wait to call for a new personal vehicle when some (jet) idiot blows it up 20 seconds after you get it, or when you get killed before the game spawns your PV. You have to wait out the timer after to be able call for a car.

 

When there are certain freeroam events going on there is a Pegasus timer. About a month after the freeroam events update was released I got blown up in my buzzard while one of the freeroam events was active (can't recall which one) and I had to wait 4 minutes until I could call for a replacement Buzzard or any of my other Pegasus vehicles.

 

So seeing how they already got that timer, there is no excuse for why they can't have it there all the time for the Hydra.