Pegasus vehicle spamming

[Mr_Zombly]

I've seen a lot more jet spamming recently, with a lot more passive mode abuse too.

 

Here's an example of what I mean with some great commentary on the amazing tactics on display.

 

 

 

Now the guy doing it, wasn't very "pro" (contrary to his name) but if a semi competent pilot was doing this, it would pretty much ruin the session.

 

I didn't capture all his jet pull outs, he was waaayyy to unpredictable but I estimate he pulled out around 15 (no exaggeration)

 

On a serious note, do you guys believe that something has to be done about how accessible vehicles capable of such easy killing should be. I understand that they do cost millions initially but that's chump change for most of the community.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

Edited June 21, 2016 by Mr_Zombly

[Hunter]

The Hydra (as long as it's in its current, un-nerfed state) should have a considerable cool down on calling it up. It's disrupting things a little too much.

 

Helicopters don't really need anything unless they finally get the buffs they deserve though. Until then, they're too weak to justify a long cool down, in my opinion.

[FrozenDanCicle]

I voted no, but I would have voted yes if an, 'only on the hydra,' was an option and I would have voted for 5 minutes.

 

I also think if there was a hydra cooldown, it should not affect ones other vehicles and the cooldown should only exist in freeroam.

 

If someone comes after me in a buzzard or savage and manages to evade my homing retaliation, mote power to them.

[20451ecneps]

They should add a cool down that's similar to the Mechanic's, but only for certain Pegasus vehicles, such as the Hydra and....well no, just the Hydra.

 

The attack helicopters may be powerful, but they're not that hard to take down compared to the Hydra.

 

This obviously wouldn't stop them altogether, but it would (in my opinion) be a step in the right direction.

[Mr_Zombly]

I voted no, but I would have voted yes if an, 'only on the hydra,' was an option and I would have voted for 5 minutes.

 

I also think if there was a hydra cooldown, it should not affect ones other vehicles and the cooldown should only exist in freeroam.

 

If someone comes after me in a buzzard or savage and manages to evade my homing retaliation, mote power to them.

Added to poll

They should add a cool down that's similar to the Mechanic's, but only for certain Pegasus vehicles, such as the Hydra and....well no, just the Hydra.

 

The attack helicopters may be powerful, but they're not that hard to take down compared to the Hydra.

 

This obviously wouldn't stop them altogether, but it would (in my opinion) be a step in the right direction.

I don't mind a hydra attack, recently I've been getting better at knowing when to shoot and predicting their movements, but it would be more intense if it wasn't so f*cking common to be honest. It's like replaying a specific scene in an action movie, it gets f*cking dull if you watch it repeatedly.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Mr_Zombly

[Nick1020]

I'd take a 5 minute waiting period for any armed aircraft or vehicle. Makes no sense I can call in another hydra after I'm shot down.

[Hunter]

I would make the cool downs like this (only for armed vehicles):

 

Hydra: 15 minutes. Might seem harsh, but a good pilot can stay up in the air that long pretty easily. In the old days, I could last over an hour in a jet. Besides, without a cool down, sniping is useless against jets - I can swap mine in 20 seconds, literally.

 

Savage: 10 minutes. But only if it has a considerable armour buff, and maybe perhaps a missile jammer. Then it would be something that would deserve to be a rare sight.

 

Valkyrie: More or less the same as the Savage really.

 

Buzzard: 5 minutes. If it had a missile jammer anyway.

 

Rhino: 10 minutes.

 

Insurgent: 10 minutes.

 

The Annihilator and Technical are too weak to deserve a cool down; not without some major buffing anyway.

 

But I think (forgive me if I'm wrong) the Hydra is the main focus. And that definitely needs a cool down, in its current state.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Fail_At_GTA]

Just learn to deal with Hydras. Protip: don't use the homing launcher. Any competent pilot can avoid it extremely easy. Personally I love making people shoot all of their rockets at me, then I let them buy more, then let them continue. I don't need to kill them, its fun to avoid the rockets.

[Mr_Zombly]

Just learn to deal with Hydras. Protip: don't use the homing launcher. Any competent pilot can avoid it extremely easy. Personally I love making people shoot all of their rockets at me, then I let them buy more, then let them continue. I don't need to kill them, its fun to avoid the rockets.

 

I don't mind a hydra attack, recently I've been getting better at knowing when to shoot and predicting their movements, but it would be more intense if it wasn't so f*cking common to be honest. It's like replaying a specific scene in an action movie, it gets f*cking dull if you watch it repeatedly.

 

[LeeTone]

A cooldown would affect PVE as well so no.

[Hunter]

Just learn to deal with Hydras. Protip: don't use the homing launcher. Any competent pilot can avoid it extremely easy. Personally I love making people shoot all of their rockets at me, then I let them buy more, then let them continue. I don't need to kill them, its fun to avoid the rockets.

I'm sure he deals with jets just fine. Saying something's overpowered, or that it should have a longer cool down, well it's not the same as saying you can't deal with it. It's simply having an opinion.

 

I take down jets plenty (this was just one of many the other day):

 

 

 

I still think they're pretty overpowered. Ideally, there should be a small nerf. If not though, then I'd go with either:

 

• A serious new weapon/vehicle to make them less of a pest.

 

• An extended cool down.

 

A cooldown would affect PVE as well so no.

A very valid point. I don't really have anything to counter it with lol.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[MrGrandis]

No, i just hate cooldown timer, i got fed up with the cooldown for personal vehicles already.

[elfoam]

Best thing about this update was the removal of the pegasus auto recall which I had HATED since it was introduced.

[Mr_Zombly]

A cooldown would affect PVE as well so no.

I don't see how it would have a huge impact on it, if your hydra is on cooldown, grab a savage, if not vice versa, plus if you're mainly up against npcs, they're easily caught up with in most vehicles, and you can still spawn buzzards and lazers naturally.

[R3CON]

I watched the video (and had a good laugh) so I understand the concern, but I'm not in favor of a cool down.

 

It just seems more restrictive than beneficial and I don't find jets to be that big of a problem (personally). The other armed Pegasus vehicles are manageable.

[FlacidJack]

I HATE COOLDOWNS

 

Even if you think it's a good idea at some point it will hinder you. Just look at the PV cool down, we all need to stand around waiting for our own vehicles because a fraction of players abused their mechanic. That's no solution IMO, if anything maybe just restrict the use of vehicles after we crash them but not just because we use them.

[Razgriz67]

I like how the Pegasus has transformed, It used to be that you can call a vehicle and then your stuck with it even if you chose the wrong one (still the case on 360) thus preventing spamming, but nope now you call call and relocate the spawn as many times as you want and even call again when your already in a Pegasus vehicle

 

Then there was the cool down which I now only see when I destroy my Hydra in the middle of a lobby event like Criminal Damage

 

So yes. Yes i don't mind bringing back the cool down

 

oh and i say an equal 5 min cool down for all Pegasus vehicles no Pegasus vehicle should get special treatment (just like no personal vehicles get no special treatment coughinsurgentcough)

Edited June 21, 2016 by razgriz67

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

As much as i think its OP...please...no more cooldowns...on the contrary

 

Also the jets shoud simply be nerfed on their explosive canon thing

[Diana_McFarland]

idk how to feel on this.

 

ive been recently getting into the whole Hydra jet scene and

 

I tend to kill myself alot when i fly (im bad)

 

on Saturday i crashed around 26 times...

 

The saving graces was me being able to get my hydra back seemingly instantly and be right were i left off.

 

its seemingly for a reason ---------------------

 

 

 

DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON PEGASUS NOT EVEN PICKING UP.

After being hung up on or being left on ringing, i literally sit there and roast the phone companies for like an hour straight.

 

THIS IS LITERALLY THE MOST TRIGGERING THIS I HAVE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH ON GTAO.

- Mechanic (doesn't pick up whats seems to be 60% of the time) EVEN THOUGH HIS PAYCHECK HAS NEVER SKIPPED A BEAT

- Pegasus (offers a vehicle transportation service) DOESN'T PICKUP 50% OF THE TIME

- Mors Mutual. offers insuran..) you know what, before i fly off the handle im just not even gonna say anything else.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Diana_McFarland

[Shadowfennekin]

Only for the Hydra.

It's your own damn fault if something else is killing you, A tank? lol You can easily outrun that unless your in a Faggio. The Savage is hardly a threat and I've been sniping Buzzards since before Homing Launcher,

 

And the cooldown starts from the moment the Hydra is destroyed. 10 mins is what'd be best. A few is too short honestly.

[Kyrrari]

Honestly, I voted yes for with weapons and 10 minutes, but the hydra is so op it should be treated like the opposite of a personal vehicle. You manage to lose it, not only is the cooldown long, but you're charged 10% of it's price as insurance fees. If you don't treat your op death machine with respect and care, you pay for it. It's called a deductible and anyone who owns an insured vehicle IRL knows how expensive that could be.

[l Marksman God l]

Definitely yes, even if all Pegasus vehicles had a cool down,only the Hydra would be necessary; we don't see people getting Savages after Savages. In my opinion the Hydra shouldn't even spawn at helipads(I know it's a vtol but whatever), that would also slow down the Hydra spamming. I normally use jets in freemode to help some friends or in zancudo wars, and there's nothing more annoying than noobs calling jet after jet, going passive trying to disable behind you, going off radar, etc..

[elfoam]

You guys fail worse at game design than even Rockstar and they are pretty bad.. Any time you nerf freedom, add cooldowns or add useless cutscenes that cant be skipped you make a games playability suffer. Why make a game worse on purpose? Are you into self torture?. Imagine doing a mission and have to wait for a new chopper.. Freakin bad enough waiting for a car.

[Razgriz67]

You guys fail worse at game design than even Rockstar and they are pretty bad.. Any time you nerf freedom, add cooldowns or add useless cutscenes that cant be skipped you make a games playability suffer. Why make a game worse on purpose? Are you into self torture?. Imagine doing a mission and have to wait for a new chopper.. Freakin bad enough waiting for a car.

Yes let's not bring back the thing that helped prevent spamming in the first place.

 

Granted I do think people that want more then a 5 min cool down for a hydra are morons.

 

But I assume they are coming with a lot of suffering brought on by hydras.

 

And as an active VIP work hunter even I have to admit the hydra to hydra time is ridiculously short (it can literally take me seconds to parachute into another hydra)

[NecroNeedle]

Cooldown for hydra yes.

[elfoam]

Well if you are suffering from Hydra abuse it affects your logic lol. For me a hydra is just a crate delivery bus, it would be a hard days work landing my Besra at every crate pickup and drop off.

[rodrich266]

Yeah well it's only necessary on the Hydra, everything else could stay like it is, considering how they are not abused because they can be fairly dealt with.

 

5 minutes is fine, more would be better, but really not necessary. Also let's bear in mind that you can literally be in any Peg vehicle and just call another new one, and the hydra should be restricted from that too.

 

Personally I HATE cooldowns, with PVs its disgustingly unnecessary, what wrong could come from calling your mechanic on demand and he delivering any time? With the Hydra its another story, since its a vehicle that has very powerful weapons mounted and it's high speeds make all ground enemies cannon fodder (I know it's a jet and that's how they're meant to work). The players have taken advantage of this system and many use it to grief, but so is this life of ours.

 

I can only hope they find a fix or workaround for the Hydra problem. As for the PVs I will fight for the removal of cooldowns!

[M*A*R*I*N*A]

No, i just hate cooldown timer, i got fed up with the cooldown for personal vehicles already.

Agree.

[ChumpDelux]

I just want to say, I enjoyed the commentary of the video in the OP and it made me lol a lot. I'm actually surprised he didn't constantly retire his CEO to go passive whilst getting his jets.

[Mattoropael]

There are enough f*cking cooldowns in the game already.