lefantome Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 If you see how many studios Rockstar has and how many games they release you will be surprised. RDR came out 6 yearso ago. R* San Diego hasn't release anything since then. It they will release it in a year from now, it would be a 7 years development. RDR had a development time of around 6 years but in the meantime R* San Diego released other 3 games, and we all know how problematic was RDR development. Rockstar latest game came out 2.5 years ago and there is not even a new game in sight despite the fact that they have many studios. So much wasted potential. DedetOS1, Luddite and Journey_95 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 San Diego also developed GTA. Rockstar is considered one now, all studios help in the same projects to enable them to make bigger projects, so the latest San Diego release wasn't 7 years ago, it was 2.5 years ago. I'm pretty sure they're working on things, maybe more than one thing, Rockstar's only problem is announcement and release scheduling. Jabalous, PhillBellic, Sussus Amongus and 5 others 8 GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives the beginning is moments ago, the end is moments away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Rockstar's projects have become driven by all studios instead of a single one. An environments artist at San Diego studio might be involved in creating the environments of GTA V as much as another employee of the same position at North studio. So, technically, San Diego's last project was actually GTA V, and whatever logo you see on the case or the introduction of the game is most likely used only as a signifier/identifier for North studio. From a marketing point of view, attaching a certain studio to a specific project helps to create a varied image of the company's studios when someone is looking from outside. Edited June 19, 2016 by FiS!!HeR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Not even, the main logo on the boxart is the yellow R* logo. The R* North logo on the back is because, well, North are still the main devs, plus that's where GTA originated. UltraGizmo64 1 GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives the beginning is moments ago, the end is moments away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Yes, that's normal. All box cases, dating back to earliest Rockstar's games, have always come with their yellow logo on the front. Anyway, it's known by now that Rockstar doesn't work on two projects a time in full production. All studios work on a single project, release it and them move on to the next project. Pre-production work can start on other games during that time. The latest example, GTA V, almost took two years to finish when it went into full production (Late 2011). I think that Red Dead 3 has been in full production since Late 2014 and it might take 3 years to completely finish. If anything, Rockstar will take longer time to develop their games with each new jump in hardware. This, to me, seems to be the trend. Spider-Vice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUT THE BENZ Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 good things take time. In a November 2011 interview, dan houser of Rockstar Games said that despite what the general public might think, Rockstar likes to "spend a bit of time" at the end of projects before deciding what to do next. "Basically we have been meaning to start [Max Payne 3] for a while, but we have limited bandwidth and limited studios, and more games to make than we've started. So suddenly it was a good slot," Houser said, explaining why it took eight years to follow up Max Payne 2. "Also, contrary to a lot of people, we like to take a little bit of time at the end of a game before starting a sequel, so we can wait for the excitement or disappointment and everything else of the experience to shake down and really see what we should do in the next game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefantome Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Too much time, hundreds of developers 5+ years and you end with an half assed storyline. Kafonix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUT THE BENZ Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Too much time, hundreds of developers 5+ years and you end with an half assed storyline. What game are you referring to exactly, supposedly ending with an half assed storyline? edit: I'm just curious, not gonna start a huge back and forth. but you know that whether a story and/or its characters is interesting/satisfying, mostly depends on personal taste, and whether you can relate. the content itself might not be as bad as it's made out to be by some people R* produces stuff that is right up my alley, so I have never been disappointed in terms of story/characters/dialogue/music etc. Their games have always been top notch and felt really polished. Maybe, just maybe, that's because they actually take their time with these games. Edited June 22, 2016 by Noclue_42 Sussus Amongus, UltraGizmo64, AmigaMix and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kafonix Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Too much time, hundreds of developers 5+ years and you end with an half assed storyline. What game are you referring to exactly, supposedly ending with an half assed storyline? There is only one R* game with a half assed story line. Table Tennis GTA V. The Dedito Gae, Journey_95, Agem and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey_95 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Yeah they have been really lazy lately and just focusing on sh*tty GTA Online (instead of SP DLC's). And GTA V is a prime example that more time doesn't mean a better product. Its an ok game but after all the hype and waiting rather underwhelming... Really hope they put more effort in their next game (a new Red Dead or a new IP, both would be fine with me) Edited June 23, 2016 by Journey_95 Gtaman_92, 9i OTD, Algonquin Assassin and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaman_92 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) They turn into lazy c*nts now. I miss the 2009-2012 R*, back when they had more energy and ambition. Edited June 24, 2016 by Gtaman_92 Original Light and Xiled 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirGrandTheft Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 We need a new Title, GTA Online is awesome but it's getting boring now it's a few years old and we need something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian J. Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) R* use to have an awesome release schedule. I could always expect a good title each year, heck in 2003 they released 3 games. Talking release dates: 2000-Midnight Club 2001-Max Payne 2001-Grand Theft Auto III 2002-Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 2003-Midnight Club II 2003-Max Payne 2 2003-Manhunt 2004-Red Dead Revolver 2004-Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 2005-Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition 2005-Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories 2006-Bully 2006-Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories 2007-Manhunt 2 2008-Midnight Club: Los Angeles 2008-Grand Theft Auto IV 2009-Grand Theft Auto: Episodes From Liberty City 2009-Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars 2010-Red Dead Redemption 2012-Max Payne 3 2013-Grand Theft Auto V 2016- One can see things changed. And let's not beat around the bush but GTA V is not that great, and majority of people will agree that last good one (let's face it, a legend) from R* was RDR. Edited June 27, 2016 by Adrian J. 9i OTD and Xiled 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Your list might be missing other titles, but just to be recent, it's missing 2011's L.A.Noire and 2012's Max Payne 3. However, you might be able to drop L.A.Noire given that it wasn't built it by Rockstar from the ground (it was Team Bondi's), and instead their work was more like a touch up. I doubt that we will go again through this trend of getting a new Rockstar game every year. From now on, or actually from the time GTA V was released in 2013, it will be a new game every 2-4 years, unless they increase their humans resources substantially. They will probably compensate for this by creating larger multiplayer worlds that can live for years ahead similar to the current situation of GTA Online. Edited June 26, 2016 by FiS!!HeR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian J. Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Dang it, forgot about MP3. And yea, I didn't put LA Noire because it wasn't their game. They were able to do it back then, it is doable now. Edited June 27, 2016 by Adrian J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I'd rather they take their time and continue to give us unique experiences than follow the EA or Ubi model and release the same game every year with very little to distinguish it from the last one. Games take time, you can speed that up by having more people, but that can lead to cookie cutter games that don't innovate or provide anything fresh. The last few AC games have all been nearly identical, for example. Sussus Amongus 1 Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian J. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 And this is where you're wrong. They were able to put out games year after year, that were different and unique. Not only different franchises, but sequels to those game were better each time. Vice City build up on what III had started, San Andreas took the series to a place no game went before. And IV? Some people says that it had less things to do, but the story and characters were the best in the series. And that's what gave IV it's identity. What about Midnight Club? Started out as a simple arcade street race that fans wanna see return. From a game with made up cars to tuning of real vehicles, adding bikes and special abilities, open world and more stuff to collect, places to explore. Max Payne series, Bully. What about those? Bully was something we never had before and it definitely stands out from their collection, just like Manhunt does. And what about one of the greatest games of last gen, Red Dead Redemption. So if all that isn't unique, fresh or innovative on a yearly basis? sh*t, than I don't know what is. SchizNitz, feckyerlife, Kafonix and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 You should see valve... otachi, Franceska and Original Light 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John The Grudge Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) People assume they're working on a third game in the Red Dead series but there's no evidence of that. Rockstar have never once said they'd make another Red Dead. The only thing Rockstar have confirmed is that they're just focusing on GTA Online. My guess is that R* San Diego (and every other R* studio) is working on GTA Online updates and GTA Online 2. I imagine that the profit margins for GTA Online is far higher than any single player game. So I can't see them wasting time and money on something less profitable. Edited July 13, 2016 by John The Grudge Sussus Amongus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUT THE BENZ Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 yo John, you just drop by to stomp on our red dead-ish hopes and dreams here and there? not cool, yo! Adrian J. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John The Grudge Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) I've lost faith. Shark Cards are super profitable and there's no going back. After so many years of nothing but GTA Online I think it's time to accept that Rockstar is not the same company that released Red Dead or even GTA V. It's raining shark card money and it's easy money. Single player games like Red Dead cost fortunes to make and aren't nearly as profitable. I don't think they need a single player mode to shift the next GTA Online. I'd love to be wrong. People say Rockstar are incredibly secretive but what if that's not the case. What if they've been open about what they're working on but all they're working on is GTAO. Maybe the reason we haven't heard about a new Red Dead or GTA V dlc is because they were never working on those things. Six years it's been since Redemption. Surely it's time to let it go. Edited July 13, 2016 by John The Grudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUT THE BENZ Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) I've lost faith. Shark Cards are super profitable and there's no going back. After so many years of nothing but GTA Online I think it's time to accept that Rockstar is not the same company that released Red Dead or even GTA V. It's raining shark card money and it's easy money. Single player games like Red Dead cost fortunes to make and aren't nearly as profitable. I don't think they need a single player mode to shift the next GTA Online. I'd love to be wrong. People say Rockstar are incredibly secretive but what if that's not the case. What if they've been open about what they're working on but all they're working on is GTAO. Maybe the reason we haven't heard about a new Red Dead or GTA V dlc is because they were never working on those things. Six years it's been since Redemption. Surely it's time to let it go. well I get what you're saying. but consider that, and hopefully it's still in the spirit, R* dudes said they wanna make the games THEY want, games they want to play, games they dig etc. I can't imagine anyone capable of creating these games to want nothing but shark-cards paying online worlds that have you hanging in the CLOUD for faaaar tooo loooooong. no sir, they do have something other cooking in the oven, quite sure of that. The Benz gone and gta online just making great profits is what keeps R* from announcing anything new if you ask me. they can a) rest on the success of gta online, and b) they have to wait out/settle the lawsuit issue before getting "out there" again in a way other than releasing minor updates to gta online. imagine you make RDR, then see it becomes GOTY and is universally blessed as one of THE games to ever have been made. and then you think, well, next time we could make it even deeper and better and put more things in it, while we leave the not-so-good sh*t out. yeah, you will want to make another game. also, the span of years between games, that's nothing new really. someone posted a list here somewhere. max payne 3 took 5 or 6 years to make, almost the same with l.a. noire (though that development was quite different from the rest), RDR took 5 years, too?! good things take time, and they only have limited bandwidth or something along those lines, dan houser or someone else, once, somehwere, said. Edited July 13, 2016 by Noclue_42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Rockstar isn't conspiring against its fans for not having a new game announced or released since GTA V. There are many variables to conclude why they're taking their time, but if you come to think about it, GTA V has just almost, but no exactly yet, completed full 3 years since it released in 2013. First, we have to accept that all studios dedicated most of their resources to create the game, which means that barley no one was left to work on some other project. It wasn't like if you imagine San Diego studio saying "OK, we worked a year and a half on GTA V, the rest North and others will complete, so we gotta start working on next RD". Hell, they even used dedicated teams from overseas (Look up: Rockstar Gamed Dedicated Unit) to just be able to complete the game on its time. It was a huge and ambitious project that got all Rockstar's studios attention from day one to the day of hallelujah. Look at what other AAA studios are doing on this generation. What about Naughty Dog? since The Last of Us released in 2013, they didn't make anything to the market except the recent, two-months old Uncharted 4. It took them 3 years to create this very linear game! now, how would you even think that Rockstar can pull off mega open world games with extreme attention to details in this same period? yeah yeah, I understand that Naughty do is a hundreds people studio and Rockstar is a company that has triple the number, but then again, it's a matter of how big and ambitious are your projects and how many actual resources are there to fulfill all duties. It's a complicated matter, but there's not a single reason to believe that GTA Online is actually withholding new ambitious projects. It's just that the time needed to make a new game one PS4 and X1 has increased and it's not difficult to believe in this. Edited July 13, 2016 by Jabalous Dutch Psycho and Spider-Vice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kBlaise Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) GTA Online is not holding back anything. San Diego and the other studios have absolutely nothing to do with GTA Online anyway. They've been working on something for many years now. The point of GTAO updates is to bridge over this huge stretch of time until the next big Rockstar announcement. Otherwise there'd be complete silence which would we worse than what we have now. Edited July 13, 2016 by kBlaise Spider-Vice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PkUnzipper Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) While I agree with much of what OP said, you also have to consider the scope of the next gen game. As much as I loved RDR base game and all of it's DLC, you have to admit there's not much of a story left with John Marston's death. I could see a continuation of this title with his son/daughter on a revenge mission for the MQ though. But that whole storyline is really limited in what the devs could do for a story. They'd have to literally re-invent the game with a new protagonist and backstory. Then there are other franchise titles that got sidelined like RDR. Like Bully 2 which R* indicated would be the next title they were getting ready to make an official announcement on. Edited July 15, 2016 by PkUnzipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucke Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I think there are two reasons why it's taking such a long time. 1. Making games for the next generation of consoles requires a lot more work than games for last gen 2. GTA V and GTA Online have been so successful that they are making enough money without having to release anything new. That means that they can take their time and create a game with a much higher quality. I bet they want to work this long on all their games, but previous titles hasn't generated enough money to allow that. I've heard them repeatedly say in interviews that their projects are taking the time they need. They are not going to release something that they don't think is good enough. Rockstar cares about quality first and foremost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mv6 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Look at the previous Rockstar games. Red Dead Redemption(2010) Max Payne(2012) Gta V(2013,development started in 09) it has been three years since they released a major AAA title. I think they'll announce something around October or November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4R3ON Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Remember when they they said that GTA Online needs to rest? http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-online-wont-be-supported-forever-take-two-ceo-/1100-6440383/ I think whey will stop supporting GTA Online this year,and in January-March they will probably announce something new,thats my prediction. UltraGizmo64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error2k Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 R* use to have an awesome release schedule. I could always expect a good title each year, heck in 2003 they released 3 games. Talking release dates: 2000-Midnight Club 2001-Max Payne 2001-Grand Theft Auto III 2002-Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 2003-Midnight Club II 2003-Max Payne 2 2003-Manhunt 2004-Red Dead Revolver 2004-Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 2005-Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition 2005-Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories 2006-Bully 2006-Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories 2007-Manhunt 2 2008-Midnight Club: Los Angeles 2008-Grand Theft Auto IV 2009-Grand Theft Auto: Episodes From Liberty City 2009-Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars 2010-Red Dead Redemption 2012-Max Payne 3 2013-Grand Theft Auto V 2016- One can see things changed. And let's not beat around the bush but GTA V is not that great, and majority of people will agree that last good one (let's face it, a legend) from R* was RDR. Yes, they released games every year but most of these games had content cut from previous games. For example Manhunt used Vice City engine, Vice City was like GTA 3 and had smaller map. Their games always had the same engine and it was kinda boring. I'd rather wait few more years and have more polished and fresh game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4R3ON Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I can already see new announcement early next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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