Buff the Savage

[aaronBLUEeyes]

I think the cannons work great, the rockets are pretty good also. Sounds like you can't aim very well sir.

 

I do agree it's too slow, and a flying deathtrap because it also has no armor.

 

if it were to be buffed i would say make it a bit faster, more agile and give it the ability to have an armor upgrade to take 1-2 rocket hits and this should also be applied to the Valkyrie.

[enjoyingorc6742]

i want the savage to have the armor necessary to have it take one rocket and not smoke afterwards.

[Switch]

I just tried it out and i also agree that it really needs a armor buff, its just too weak.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Switch__

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

The savage doesnt need a buff.

It has the most powerful explosive rounds on the game, and since it is more stationary than jets, It means it is easier to aim and shoot with its cannons.Not only that, it is able to sloot missiles without cooldown, and with a copilot able to shoot them, its one of the deadliest vehicles in the game by far if you know how to use it, which isnt your case, so get better with it if you cant aim the cannons well. My suggestion for you is to activate first person mode, and attend the flight school with the buzzard. If you know how to aim with the buzzard, then you wont have any problem at all to aim with the savage .If you cant do that, then eat sh*t from other players, the savage has been buffed once and wont get any more buffs, as Rockstar's standards.

One last thing, the savage isnt supposed to be a freeroam tool, but is supposed to be a tool for mission grinders, so if you bought it to grief other players in freeroam, you did the wrong choice, you should have bought the hydra instead, with which is easier to evade homing launchers and other type of guns (except sniper rifles).The hydra isnt that great on missions tho, but is your choice i suppose. Every vehicle has its advantages and disantvages, a concept which the majority of gtaF people didnt stil understand or completely ignore, making them in fact ignorants.

Savage's lack of armour make it for its deadly attacking capabilities.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Urustay Gordov

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

Please mods, lock this thread, there are too many topics about an improbable savage buff on these forums.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Urustay Gordov

[Hunter]

The savage doesnt need a buff.

It has the most powerful explosive rounds on the game, and since it is more stationary than jets, It means it is easier to aim and shoot with its cannons.Not only that, it is able to sloot missiles without cooldown, and with a copilot able to shoot them, its one of the deadliest vehicles in the game by far if you know how to use it, which isnt your case, so get better with if you cant aim the cannons well. My suggestion for you is to activate first person mode, and attend the flight school with the buzzard. If you know how to aim with the buzzard, then you wont have any problem at all to aim with the savage .If you cant do that, then eat sh*t from other players, the savage has been buffed once and wont get any more buffs, as Rockstar's standards.

One last thing, the savage isnt supposed to be a freeroam tool, but is supposed to be a tool for mission grinders, so if you bought it to grief other players in freeroam, you did the wrong choice, you should have bought the hydra instead, with which is easier to evade homing launchers and other type of guns (except sniper rifles).The hydra isnt that great on missions tho, but is your choice i suppose. Every vehicle has its advantages and disantvages, a concept which the majority of gtaF people didnt stil understand or completely ignore, making them ignorants.

Savage's lack of armour make it for its deadly attacking capabilities.

Pffft, show us a video of you getting loads of kills on a semi-competent player (not the usual homing launcher-only guys).

 

I'd show you one myself, except they're impossible to obtain. I can gather clips of huge killing sprees, dipping and ducking under buildings as cover. But a video of me beating a decent player, who knows to just shoot a gun and leave the poor old Savage smoking? Yeah ...

 

It hasn't had any buffs to its armour anyway, which is what's desperately needed. All it had was the co-pilot enabled, and homing missiles (which only lock onto people in cars anyway).

 

Before someone marches in saying how powerful its cannons are, and how they're its strength, well the real thing has a much longer range.

 

A real attack helicopter has a range more like this:

 

 

 

So to be honest, the Savage is already far too hindered by other weaknesses for this poor armour to be acceptable. The range on its weapons is woefully short, it can't even pivot the cannon, has no flares, is slow, sluggish.

 

You'd be hard pressed to find any strengths to the thing. Oh, it has powerful guns - but they only reach 2 feet away ...

[Death Rains From Above]

Personally, I've rarely had to deal with regular gunfire taking down my Savage. For missions (especially Los Santos Connection) I just hover at a comfortable distance and blast the enemy with Auto Rockets.

 

That, or pilot the Savage like the real-life Hind by swiftly approaching and passing the target area while bombarding enemies with rockets and minigun fire. Either strategy works well in missions.

 

As for Free Roam, I find the biggest problem for the Savage is that goddamn easy-mode Homing (Noob) Launcher. There are ways of trying to deal with it, but most of the time a Savage is royally f***ed when encountering an HL user (pretty much everyone). Even low levels have access to a Homing Launcher, rendering the long slog we veteran players had to endure to unlock the best weaponry utterly redundant.

[Hunter]

-snip-

I hate the homing launcher too - pretty much ends using the Savage against large crowds, or in open spaces.

 

But ordinary weapons can easily bring a Savage down too:

 

 

 

Probably the biggest pain with the homing launcher is that (to evade it) you have to fly right within range of small weapons like rifles, and these will shred you in seconds too.

 

Basically, if someone knows what they're doing, and catches onto the fact that you're hiding behind buildings, they'll switch to a gun and rip up your Savage anyway.

 

You're damned if you do; damned if you don't.

 

Thankfully, most people aren't any good and don't catch on, But that doesn't change that the armour is stupidly weak.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

[Hunter]

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

You should be locked.

 

You have no videos, gifs, or any other form of proof to back up what you say. If it's so deadly, why don't you show us it in action against a competent player?

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

You should be locked.

 

You have no videos, gifs, or any other form of proof to back up what you say. If it's so deadly, why don't you show us it in action against a competent player?

I once managed to get in a lobby with players without homing launchers(sounds incredible, doesnt it?). I , with my savage , managed to get a lot of kills(fresh from buzzard training on the flight school) , until another player shot me down with its minigun.That scenario, alone, is enough to make people understand how the savage would be overpowered with an armor buff, because the only weapon capable of bringing it down efficiently (Homing launcher) would be rendered useless against it, and since with the buff it would be capable to withstand explosive rockets, imagine how useless non-explosive weapons would be.

I dont have video evidence because it was an episode from a long time ago and i played on ps3 back then, but believe me, if i had i wouldnt have hesitated once to show you.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Urustay Gordov

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

You should be locked.

 

You have no videos, gifs, or any other form of proof to back up what you say. If it's so deadly, why don't you show us it in action against a competent player?

I once managed to get in a lobby with players without homing launchers(sounds incredible, doesnt it?). I , with my savage , managed to get a lot of kills, until another player shoots me down with its minigun.That scenario, alone, is enough to make people how the savage would be overpowered with an armor buff, because the only weapon capable of bringing it down efficiently (Homing launcher) would be rendered useless against it, and since with the buff it would be capable to withstand explosive rockets, imagine how useless non-explosive weapons would be.

I dont have video evidence because it was an episode from a long time ago and i played on ps3 back then, but believe me, if i had i wouldnt hesitate once to show you.

 

Urustay Gordov isn't Urustay Gordov without the Matt Dillon profile picture.

[Zader]

the only weapon capable of bringing it down efficiently (Homing launcher) would be rendered useless against it

I usually deal with them by shooting the underside with an assault rifle. They start smoking in less than a clip from the 416, and then I don't have to worry about them anymore because the things have a kill switch once they start smoking. But sure, the Homing Launcher is the only useful weapon against a helicopter that takes less than a cylinder of revolver rounds to bring down.

[shadyelf]

all it needs is more armor

 

i'd say make it like the cargobob

[Skeve613]

The weapons are fine, it's the basic platform they are on that is quite flawed.

 

Main issues:

 

Bad durability. Something as clunky as the Savage needs a bunch more armor to balance it out. At the very least, the engine cutout effect needs to happen only after a lot more damage, like it does with the Cargobob.

 

Homing launcher. See the above point, or add a jammer option to it so the unguided RPGs are still effective.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

The savage is fine as it is, it doesnt need any more buffs. It does its Job great on what its supposed to be, a money grinder tool. It doesnt need to be also the freeroam tool, a hydra then wouldnt make much sense to be owned.

 

 

 

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

You should be locked.

 

You have no videos, gifs, or any other form of proof to back up what you say. If it's so deadly, why don't you show us it in action against a competent player?

I once managed to get in a lobby with players without homing launchers(sounds incredible, doesnt it?). I , with my savage , managed to get a lot of kills, until another player shoots me down with its minigun.That scenario, alone, is enough to make people how the savage would be overpowered with an armor buff, because the only weapon capable of bringing it down efficiently (Homing launcher) would be rendered useless against it, and since with the buff it would be capable to withstand explosive rockets, imagine how useless non-explosive weapons would be.

I dont have video evidence because it was an episode from a long time ago and i played on ps3 back then, but believe me, if i had i wouldnt hesitate once to show you.

 

Urustay Gordov isn't Urustay Gordov without the Matt Dillon profile picture.Yeah, right?

Shame i lost that image.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Urustay Gordov

[SkylineGTRFreak]

A hydra would then make sense to take out A Savage and still be deadlier than a Savage. I must've missed the point in the description where it said: preferably used in contact missions only.

Seriously, how can you defend the armor of an attack helicopter that starts smoking after a clip from an AR? I am willing to bet that a forklift is able to tank more hits than the Savage

[Arrows to Athens]

The savage is fine as it is, it doesnt need any more buffs. It does its Job great on what its supposed to be, a money grinder tool. It doesnt need to be also the freeroam tool, a hydra then wouldnt make much sense to be owned.

 

 

 

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

You should be locked.

 

You have no videos, gifs, or any other form of proof to back up what you say. If it's so deadly, why don't you show us it in action against a competent player?

I once managed to get in a lobby with players without homing launchers(sounds incredible, doesnt it?). I , with my savage , managed to get a lot of kills, until another player shoots me down with its minigun.That scenario, alone, is enough to make people how the savage would be overpowered with an armor buff, because the only weapon capable of bringing it down efficiently (Homing launcher) would be rendered useless against it, and since with the buff it would be capable to withstand explosive rockets, imagine how useless non-explosive weapons would be.

I dont have video evidence because it was an episode from a long time ago and i played on ps3 back then, but believe me, if i had i wouldnt hesitate once to show you.

 

Urustay Gordov isn't Urustay Gordov without the Matt Dillon profile picture.Yeah, right?

Shame i lost that image.

 

How did you lose it? I mean, you're the one who changed the picture, right?

[Hunter]

 

 

I once managed to get in a lobby with players without homing launchers(sounds incredible, doesnt it?). I , with my savage , managed to get a lot of kills(fresh from buzzard training on the flight school) , until another player shot me down with its minigun.That scenario, alone, is enough to make people understand how the savage would be overpowered with an armor buff, because the only weapon capable of bringing it down efficiently (Homing launcher) would be rendered useless against it, and since with the buff it would be capable to withstand explosive rockets, imagine how useless non-explosive weapons would be.

I dont have video evidence because it was an episode from a long time ago and i played on ps3 back then, but believe me, if i had i wouldnt have hesitated once to show you.

 

Video please. I provide videos for practically every situation I detail; I expect the same from the opposing side of the debate.

 

Without a video, I have to assume these players were:

 

• Incompetent.

 

• Cheap hit 'n' run attacks.

Any player worth his or her salt can easily bring down a Savage.

 

A hydra would then make sense to take out A Savage and still be deadlier than a Savage. I must've missed the point in the description where it said: preferably used in contact missions only.

Seriously, how can you defend the armor of an attack helicopter that starts smoking after a clip from an AR? I am willing to bet that a forklift is able to tank more hits than the Savage

I know that a Ruffian motor bike is stronger than it, lol.

[Foxy Stevenson]

3 heavy sniper shots to the tail and it spins out of control. And people say it's fine as it is? I haven't seen a good player make good use of the savage simply because it doesn't last long. You just need a sniper to do the job. Oh and have good aim

Edited June 18, 2016 by Foxy Stevenson

[HKM87]

I wish the Savage would get a buff, but knowing R*, it's not gonna happen.

 

Let's hope the 'H word' is it's redemption.

[Setzaroth]

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

 

LOL

 

I'm glad most people agree with me. "Deadliest machine in the game" hahhahaha thanks for that.

 

Personally I think the savage should be virtually bullet resistant like the tank, and be able to withstand 3-4 homing launcher shots before exploding. Aircraft should also have ECM/flare countermeasures

Edited June 18, 2016 by Setzaroth

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

The only buff the savage needs is a tiny buff on its cannons range, nothing more.It is one of the deadliest machines in the game.

This thread should be locked.

LOL

 

I'm glad most people agree with me. "Deadliest machine in the game" hahhahaha thanks for that.

 

Personally I think the savage should be virtually bullet resistant like the tank, and be able to withstand 3-4 homing launcher shots before exploding. Aircraft should also have ECM/flare countermeasures

And again, the Savage is fine as it is.

Think on what would happen if Rockstar listens to you whiners and give it an armour buff. It would become a flying Rhino, literally, but with a bigger advantage compared to it, and that is SPEED:that concept alone is enough to describe what a Savage with buffed armour would become.

 

Stop whining and get better with it.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Urustay Gordov

[Hunter]

And again, the Savage is fine as it is.

Think on what would happen if Rockstar listens to you whiners and give it an armour buff. It would become a flying Rhino, literally, but with a bigger advantage compared to it, and that is SPEED:that concept alone is enough to describe what a Savage with buffed armour would become.

 

Stop whining and get better with it.

 

And again, you have nothing to support your side. No videos, no second opinions/support; nothing at all.

 

Just whining on about how the thread should be locked because you don't like it.

 

Funny how you keep calling it a flying Rhino too - you do know the Hind got nicknamed the "Flying tank"?

 

It should take a missile or two, and a considerable amount of bullets. It's not like it has flares, or any reasonable chance of dodging homing launcher missiles, so why shouldn't it survive one or two? And the bullet resistance is just pathetic.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Setzaroth]

"get better with the thing that blows up if someone sneezes too close to it"

 

Ya, ok, lol...this guy is hilarious.

 

I could be the best pilot on the planet and that would not change the weaknesses of the savage.

[Non Funkable Token]

The savage is perfect for it's purpose. Destroying anything defenseless in its path. The only thing I would say needs a buff is the amount of bullets the body of the helicopter can take before being destroyed. I'd say the savage would be more useful with 4x the armour against bullets as long as weaker guns could still do damage if vital parts are shot at like the tail rotor.

 

FTFY.

[FireBird58]

Only issue I have with the savage is durability. I end up clipping leaves off a tree for about 3 seconds and it goes down a minute later; a single npc empties an assault rifle clip and the same thing happens. I'm not saying make it able to take a rocket and keep flying but at least make it more durable than the buzzard.

Edited June 19, 2016 by FireBird58

[Toxic_Paradox]

Call brucie to help yall buff the savage

[.Vooodu.]

And again, the Savage is fine as it is.

Think on what would happen if Rockstar listens to you whiners and give it an armour buff.

 

 

 

 

Ok.. thought about it. Having the savage able to take a few rockets and way more bullets does not bother me at all.

 

 

Whoooop deeeee dooooo.

Edited June 19, 2016 by HulioG

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

And again, the Savage is fine as it is.Think on what would happen if Rockstar listens to you whiners and give it an armour buff.

 

 

 

Ok.. thought about it. Having the savage able to take a few rockets and way more bullets does not bother me at all.

 

 

Whoooop deeeee dooooo.

Get back to the cage you came from, troll.

Saying Savage needs an armour buff is like saying the insurgent should have bulletproof windows.

 

NO, it is fine as it is now.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Urustay Gordov