Red Dead Redemption 2 General Chat

[Old Man With No Name]

On 4/11/2022 at 12:43 PM, Edward RDRIII said:

During "Banking, The Old American Art" Bill shouts: "This is worse than Blackwater.", so he was there.

Yea i remember that now. But he could be meant shootout in blackwater town not ferry. If he was in ferry, he is the one who didn't got injured or knocked out alongside Micah, Javier and Dutch

 

1 hour ago, Sean800 said:

 

Yes, Bill was on the ferry, unlike Charles, Hosea and Arthur (ironically, the smartest members in the gang, it was just meant to go bad).

 

It's unclear whether Lenny was present or not. My opinion is that he was also missing.

 

Dutch, Micah, John, Javier, Bill, Sean, Davey and Mac. This was the group.

 

You forgot Jenny

4:25 of the video proofs Lenny wasn't there. Sean tells him what happened in there.

Edited April 12 by GroveStGTAV

[Sean800]

1 hour ago, GroveStGTAV said:

Yea i remember that now. But he could be meant shootout in blackwater town not ferry. If he was in ferry, he is the one who didn't got injured or knocked out alongside Micah, Javier and Dutch

 

 

You forgot Jenny

4:25 of the video proofs Lenny wasn't there. Sean tells him what happened in there.

I don't think Jenny was on the ferry. She was shot and killed when the gang was already heading towards the Grizzlies. 

 

Yeah that random event confirms Lenny wasn't included in the team.

 

Arthur, Hosea, Lenny and Charles were probably the smartest and coolest members of the gang. All absent, for one reason or another, during that infamous heist. Not to mention that Micah and Dutch planned everything. Yes, they were doomed to fail.

[DEADWOODZ]

I find myself loading up Red Dead later on at night & just admiring the games ambience around certain areas. Can kinda be relaxing at times.

 

 

[Drimes]

I just saw Agent Milton, Dutch. Abigail shot him, she's okay. Not that you care too much about that. You rats, all of you. 

[Dan_1983]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:59 PM, Sean800 said:

 

Yes, Bill was on the ferry, unlike Charles, Hosea and Arthur (ironically, the smartest members in the gang, it was just meant to go bad).

 

It's unclear whether Lenny was present or not. My opinion is that he was also missing.

 

Dutch, Micah, John, Javier, Bill, Sean, Davey and Mac. This was the group.

Didn't Charles burn his hand in the Blackwater incident?

[Sean800]

2 hours ago, Dan_1983 said:

Didn't Charles burn his hand in the Blackwater incident?

 

It wasn't really stated. It could've been during the escape from the town.

 

In the hunting mission Charles said "I still don't understand what happened on the boat" so he wasn't there, or he would know.

[Edward RDRIII]

15 hours ago, Sean800 said:

 

It wasn't really stated. It could've been during the escape from the town.

 

In the hunting mission Charles said "I still don't understand what happened on the boat" so he wasn't there, or he would know.

I'd like to know how he burned his hand though, it's never told.

[Sean800]

1 hour ago, Edward RDRIII said:

I'd like to know how he burned his hand though, it's never told.

 

He said "stupid mistake", I guess he failed to craft a fire arrow or something. 

[Lemoyne outlaw]

so i beat arthurs story again last night. and there was something i want to talk about. so a lot of people talk about how if arthur wasn't sick he would be able to easily beat micah in a fist fight. but now im not so sure. yes arthur is a badass in fist fighting. beating tommy and others throughout the story. but i watched all the punishment micah took from the fight. and i realized he is a tank. first off they both take the fall from the cliff like nothing. that is something most people probably couldn't do. then they have a super long fight. micah uses moves that arthur cant use. and arthur does his best but its not enough. in the fight arthur uses his same moves that he uses any other time. the same moves he used to beat tommy.

 

now sure you would say since arthur is sick he is weaker. and sure that is probably true. but they are still strong enough punches to bruise micah. but he took it all like it was nothing. and lastly arthur uses micahs revolver to hit him. and micah still gets up from that. although at that point he is weakened. but at the end of the whole thing micah just walks away. and lastly when john goes to kill him in american venom. even after dutch shoots him from a schofield revolver. the strongest revolver in the game. he just laughs and draws his guns. and even when he dies. he just stands there and walks away eventually falling. i think micah fighting a healthy arthur would be very interesting. i feel like it could go either way. what do yall think?

[Emmi]

Best tribute to RDR2 I have seen. Amazing work!

 

[Sean800]

On 4/19/2022 at 6:11 PM, Lemoyne outlaw said:

so i beat arthurs story again last night. and there was something i want to talk about. so a lot of people talk about how if arthur wasn't sick he would be able to easily beat micah in a fist fight. but now im not so sure. yes arthur is a badass in fist fighting. beating tommy and others throughout the story. but i watched all the punishment micah took from the fight. and i realized he is a tank. first off they both take the fall from the cliff like nothing. that is something most people probably couldn't do. then they have a super long fight. micah uses moves that arthur cant use. and arthur does his best but its not enough. in the fight arthur uses his same moves that he uses any other time. the same moves he used to beat tommy.

 

now sure you would say since arthur is sick he is weaker. and sure that is probably true. but they are still strong enough punches to bruise micah. but he took it all like it was nothing. and lastly arthur uses micahs revolver to hit him. and micah still gets up from that. although at that point he is weakened. but at the end of the whole thing micah just walks away. and lastly when john goes to kill him in american venom. even after dutch shoots him from a schofield revolver. the strongest revolver in the game. he just laughs and draws his guns. and even when he dies. he just stands there and walks away eventually falling. i think micah fighting a healthy arthur would be very interesting. i feel like it could go either way. what do yall think?

 

Well I don't know, we never saw Micah fight in the game before that. Charles easily tossed him aside in a camp event, leaving him clearly pissed. And in another event, Javier punched him but "lightly" so he laughed at him.

 

Still, not being able to overcome a literal dying man is not a great feat, honestly.

Edited April 22 by Sean800

[Drimes]

Currently completing all the challenges, which includes Gambler 9... 

[Lemoyne outlaw]

30 minutes ago, Sean800 said:

 

Well I don't know, we never saw Micah figjt in the game before that. Charles easily tossed him aside in a camp event, leaving him clearly pissed. And in another event, Javier punched him but "lightly" so he laughed at him.

 

Still, not being able to overcome a literal dying man is not a great feat, honestly.

agree to disagree. yea charles and javier did attack him. but it wasn't a real fight. just like when bill punches pearson. im sure micah wanted to fight back. but he probably knew if he did everyone would gang up on him. but it would have been cool if there was a camp fist fight activity. where arthur could fight any of the gang members. and could also watch others fight and bet on them. like when john can bet on or against charles in that epilogue mission. it would be cool if each gang member had their own unique fight style. and we had to be strategic in order to counter them and beat them. as for micah i wouldn't say that he is the best fist fighter yet. but i feel like he is a lot stronger than people think he is. all of his talk about winners and losers. you would think he would spend most of his life ensuring that he is always the winner. he is already the gangs best shot. and i have no doubt that he has gotten into many fist fights as well.

[Sean800]

On 4/20/2022 at 9:37 PM, Lemoyne outlaw said:

agree to disagree. yea charles and javier did attack him. but it wasn't a real fight. just like when bill punches pearson. im sure micah wanted to fight back. but he probably knew if he did everyone would gang up on him. but it would have been cool if there was a camp fist fight activity. where arthur could fight any of the gang members. and could also watch others fight and bet on them. like when john can bet on or against charles in that epilogue mission. it would be cool if each gang member had their own unique fight style. and we had to be strategic in order to counter them and beat them. as for micah i wouldn't say that he is the best fist fighter yet. but i feel like he is a lot stronger than people think he is. all of his talk about winners and losers. you would think he would spend most of his life ensuring that he is always the winner. he is already the gangs best shot. and i have no doubt that he has gotten into many fist fights as well.

 

I don't think he's the gang best shot. Arthur and Dutch are easily better than him. During "American Venom" he straight up missed an unguarded John that was literally standing in front of him.

[Edward RDRIII]

Arthur is by far the best shooter in the game, he knows how to to use properly basically any firearm you put on his hands, meanwhile others usually are stuck with 1, 2 or 3 weapons at most throughout the game, you can see how much trouble Micah has using a repeater rifle properly during the mission "Who the hell is Leviticus Cornwall?", skip to 13:52 and see how Micah handles the gun on the left:

 

 

It's also unrealistic how only Arthur reloads his revolver during this part of the mission, while everyone else has infinite ammo on theirs.

Edited April 22 by Edward RDRIII
Comment corrected.

[Drimes]

13 minutes ago, Edward RDRIII said:

Arthur is by far the best shooter in the game, he knows how to to use properly basically any firearm you put on his hands, meanwhile others usually are stuck with 1, 2 or 3 weapons at most throughout the game, you can see how much trouble Micah has using a repeater rifle properly during the mission "Who the hell is Leviticus Cornwall?", skip to 13:52 and see how Micah handles the gun on the left:

 

 

It's also unrealistic how only Arthur reloads his revolver during this part of the mission, while everyone else has infinite ammo on theirs.

John Marston would like to have a word with you

[Edward RDRIII]

38 minutes ago, Drimes said:

John Marston would like to have a word with you

John only becomes a expert shooter in RDR1 though, during RDR2's main story he isn't as experienced as Arthur and during the Epilogue he shoots just like Arthur, but mainly for gameplay purposes, he is definitely not there yet canonically, however, in RDR1 he is as good or even better than Arthur though, but only with firearms, Arthur probably is still better than him on fist fights, knife fights and such. I just wish RDR1 had more realistic animations on some weapons such as the Spencer, Henry and Evans Repeater Rifles, which all of them have incorrect reloading animations, on the Spencer's case, John also doesn't pull back the hammer after using the lever, which is also incorrect, I'm sure there are wrong animations on other weapons too, but I'm too tired right know to look at each one, these are the ones I remember best right now, all those issues would be fixed on a remake built on top of RDR2's structure, hardly they would be fixed on a simple remaster though, to be fair, on RDR2 Arthur/John also don't half-cock the Spencer before using the lever, they also don't pull back the hammer of the Springfield Rifle, the Rolling Block Rifle and the Sawed-off Shotgun, every other weapon seems to use proper/realistic animations though.

Edited April 22 by Edward RDRIII
Comment corrected.

[Drimes]

1 hour ago, Edward RDRIII said:

John only becomes a expert shooter in RDR1 though, during RDR2's main story he isn't as experienced as Arthur and during the Epilogue he shoots just like Arthur, but mainly for gameplay purposes, he is definitely not there yet canonically, however, in RDR1 he is as good or even better than Arthur though, but only with firearms, Arthur probably is still better than him on fist fights, knife fights and such. I just wish RDR1 had more realistic animations on some weapons such as the Spencer, Henry and Evans Repeater Rifles, which all of them have incorrect reloading animations, on the Spencer's case, John also doesn't pull back the hammer after using the lever, which is also incorrect, I'm sure there are wrong animations on other weapons too, but I'm too tired right know to look at each one, these are the ones I remember best right now, all those issues would be fixed on a remake built on top of RDR2's structure, hardly they would be fixed on a simple remaster though, to be fair, on RDR2 Arthur/John also don't half-cock the Spencer before using the lever, they also don't pull back the hammer of the Springfield Rifle, the Rolling Block Rifle and the Sawed-off Shotgun, every other weapon seems to use proper/realistic animations though.

Fair enough. I'm hoping for a RDR remake 

[Edward RDRIII]

5 minutes ago, Drimes said:

Fair enough. I'm hoping for a RDR remake 

Me too, as long as it's handled by Rockstar Games itself that is.

[Drimes]

I don't understand why Rockstar had to make New Austin loaded with deadly snipers. Agent Milton said there was 5000 dollars on Arthurs head, so why not let Arthur be able to pay that 5000 dollar bounty? You can argue that he's wanted dead or alive there, but he's wanted dead and alive from Annesburg to Saint Denis in Chapter 6, yet there's no deadly snipers there. The Legend of the East outfit should belong to Arthur first. 

[Emmi]

I remember this outstanding debut trailer for the first Red Dead Redemption as if it released yesterday. What a masterpiece!

 

[Sean800]

3 hours ago, Drimes said:

I don't understand why Rockstar had to make New Austin loaded with deadly snipers. Agent Milton said there was 5000 dollars on Arthurs head, so why not let Arthur be able to pay that 5000 dollar bounty? You can argue that he's wanted dead or alive there, but he's wanted dead and alive from Annesburg to Saint Denis in Chapter 6, yet there's no deadly snipers there. The Legend of the East outfit should belong to Arthur first. 

 

It doesn't work like that.

 

5000$ are paid to whoever captures Arthur Morgan alive, yes. That does not include him though, after the Blackwater job the big three of the gang (Dutch, Hosea and Arthur) are wanted dead or alive, there's no other way around. They took it too far I guess.

 

Anyway, it seems to me that the rest of the gang, besides those three I mean, is almost unknown to the public. 

 

This is shown at the end of Chapter 3 where Milton only recognizes Dutch and Hosea but has no clue who John is.

 

 

[Lemoyne outlaw]

i would still bet that micah is a better shot than arthur. just seeing the scene in the short walk in a pretty town mission. he instantly reacts and destroys them. and then bursting into the gun store and killing two guys at once. arthur cant do that. he is a good shot. but not as good as micah. as for not killing john. he probably was just trying to scare him into running away. he even told john that he didn't want to kill him. i truly believe if micah dueled any of the van der linde gang members. he would win. and nothing anyone says can change my mind. the only reason he died in the first place was dutch shooting him in the back. and by then micah was already weakened and not in his normal health.

[Drimes]

1 hour ago, Sean800 said:

 

It doesn't work like that.

 

5000$ are paid to whoever captures Arthur Morgan alive, yes. That does not include him though, after the Blackwater job the big three of the gang (Dutch, Hosea and Arthur) are wanted dead or alive, there's no other way around. They took it too far I guess.

 

Anyway, it seems to me that the rest of the gang, besides those three I mean, is almost unknown to the public. 

 

This is shown at the end of Chapter 3 where Milton only recognizes Dutch and Hosea but has no clue who John is.

 

 

If its for whoever captures him alive specifically, how come I can pay off nearly all of Arthurs bounties throughout the story? 

[Sean800]

13 hours ago, Lemoyne outlaw said:

i would still bet that micah is a better shot than arthur. just seeing the scene in the short walk in a pretty town mission. he instantly reacts and destroys them. and then bursting into the gun store and killing two guys at once. arthur cant do that. he is a good shot. but not as good as micah. as for not killing john. he probably was just trying to scare him into running away. he even told john that he didn't want to kill him. i truly believe if micah dueled any of the van der linde gang members. he would win. and nothing anyone says can change my mind. the only reason he died in the first place was dutch shooting him in the back. and by then micah was already weakened and not in his normal health.

 

Micah was quite impressing in that mission, I agree. But Arthur too can do the same with dead eye. Also, Dutch literally killed three Braithwaites at once in the very next mission, which is a superior feat.

 

As for the last mission of the game I think Micah really wanted to kill John, in that instant he was clearly lying and teasing him (like he did many times with Arthur 7 years before). Don't forget that John came out of nowhere and literally wiped out his entire gang (he says "I've got more men coming" but it was clearly a lie), including Joe that was second in command.

 

And I guess that he died out of stupidity, too. Dutch literally said "same as you" in front of him, when John asks why he was there. Why didn't Micah immediately turn against him? Because he's dumb, that's the point. 

 

Still, he's obviously the besr shooter after Dutch and Arthur. None of the others come close to him (including John). Hosea might  have been better in his prime, though. 

 

12 hours ago, Drimes said:

If its for whoever captures him alive specifically, how come I can pay off nearly all of Arthurs bounties throughout the story? 

 

That's a game feature, come on. In story mode, Arthur gets a bounty twice I guess, and it can be paid because the townfolk have no idea he was responsible for the Blackwater massacre. 

Edited April 23 by Sean800

[Lemoyne outlaw]

25 minutes ago, Sean800 said:

 

Micah was quite impressing in that mission, I agree. But Arthur too can do the same with dead eye. Also, Dutch literally killed three Braithwaites at once in the very next mission, which is a superior feat.

 

As for the last mission of the game I think Micah really wanted to kill John, in that instant he was clearly lying and teasing him (like he did many times with Arthur 7 years before). Don't forget that John came out of nowhere and literally wiped out his entire gang (he says "I've got more men coming" but it was clearly a lie), including Joe that was second in command.

 

And I guess that he died out of stupidity, too. Dutch literally said "same as you" in front of him, when John asks why he was there. Why didn't Micah immediately turn against him? Because he's dumb, that's the point. 

 

Still, he's obviously the besr shooter after Dutch and Arthur. None of the others come close to him (including John). Hosea might  have been better in his prime, though.

no arthur cant kill two people at once. he can just paint the targets on multiple people. but he kills them one at a time. dutch is a good shot. but i doubt that he would beat micah.

 

and if micah was really trying to kill john and failed. than it is either due to plot armor. or micah had lost his skills over the years. which i doubt since he has obviously been the leader of a gang. and even when john and micah are shooting each other before sadie holds micah at gun point. john cant use deadeye. and micah almost always hits john when he comes out of cover. i think its mostly just plot armor that john survived. i just don't think anyone could single-handedly beat micah in a 1v1. even landon ricketts would be no match for him. we could debate all day about it. but it seems pointless.

[Drimes]

5 hours ago, Sean800 said:

That's a game feature, come on. In story mode, Arthur gets a bounty twice I guess, and it can be paid because the townfolks have no idea he was responsible for the Blackwater massacre. 

 

Oh really, just townfolk issuing those bounties? I don't think so. Regular townfolk do not issue bounties that are several hundred dollars in 1899. You know what I think? I don't think you're seeing my point at all. I think you're just defending Rockstar for making New Austin totally inaccessible in the most wrong way possible. I reiterate, I understand that you're going to be wanted in New Austin, but like every other place our group has been in, the bounties have been able to be paid off regardless of prices. Hell, Bill outright said in the Saint Denis bank robbery ''This is worse than Blackwater!'' and yet we're able to pay that bounty off. 

[Sean800]

6 hours ago, Lemoyne outlaw said:

no arthur cant kill two people at once. he can just paint the targets on multiple people. but he kills them one at a time. dutch is a good shot. but i doubt that he would beat micah.

 

and if micah was really trying to kill john and failed. than it is either due to plot armor. or micah had lost his skills over the years. which i doubt since he has obviously been the leader of a gang. and even when john and micah are shooting each other before sadie holds micah at gun point. john cant use deadeye. and micah almost always hits john when he comes out of cover. i think its mostly just plot armor that john survived. i just don't think anyone could single-handedly beat micah in a 1v1. even landon ricketts would be no match for him. we could debate all day about it. but it seems pointless.

 

Let's agree to disagree then.

 

By the way I too said that Micah's way better than John in RDR2. I wouldn't talk about plot armor though.

 

[Sean800]

1 hour ago, Drimes said:

 

Oh really, just townfolk issuing those bounties? I don't think so. Regular townfolk do not issue bounties that are several hundred dollars in 1899. You know what I think? I don't think you're seeing my point at all. I think you're just defending Rockstar for making New Austin totally inaccessible in the most wrong way possible. I reiterate, I understand that you're going to be wanted in New Austin, but like every other place our group has been in, the bounties have been able to be paid off regardless of prices. Hell, Bill outright said in the Saint Denis bank robbery ''This is worse than Blackwater!'' and yet we're able to pay that bounty off. 

 

Oh trust me, I'm not trying to defend R*, I even despise them for abandoning this game. I just think that the gang took it too far in Blackwater (even killing a young mother), thus there's no way to simply wash those sins off by paying a simple bounty. My opinion.

 

As for the Saint Denis part, it is clearly a plot hole. The gang can't go near Blackwater at all, but they can return to Saint Denis a few weeks after decimating the local police force and the town itself. 

 

So yeah, it's a mistake.

[Drimes]

29 minutes ago, Sean800 said:

 

Oh trust me, I'm not trying to defend R*, I even despise them for abandoning this game. I just think that the gang took it too far in Blackwater (even killing a young mother), thus there's no way to simply wash those sins off by paying a simple bounty. My opinion.

 

As for the Saint Denis part, it is clearly a plot hole. The gang can't go near Blackwater at all, but they can return to Saint Denis a few weeks after decimating the local police force and the town itself. 

 

So yeah, it's a mistake.

Alright. It just feels so wrong that there's no way to access New Austin without mods or other extremely hard solutions. Rockstar showed us the gameplay videos and a trailer where there are several shots of Arthur tackling somebody in Blackwater and strolling somewhere close to the Manzanita Post area. We were clearly supposed to be able to complete the challenges as Arthur. John is able to acquire the Legend of the West outfit in RDR1, it only makes sense for Arthur to be able to acquire the Legend of the East outfit