GTA Online Petition: Allow players to play Finance & Felony in an

[Hécate-II]

I doubt this will lead anywhere. R* want's this to be in a public lobby so that you can lose money by getting griefed by tryhards/trolls and resort to buying shark cards.

 

I know this seems far fetched but at this point I would not put it past them to do some grimey sh*t like that.

Its not that far fetched, plus when you add to the equation how easy it is to get illegitimate money from car duping and glitching PS final. Not even thinking about mod menu's money.

 

But I prefere to think this is due to R* incompetence.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

I suspect that having your CEO car stolen from you mid-delivery for example would cause you to become apoplectic and have you shouting your justifications for such lobbies, but that's the nature of the game, despite any additional perceived motives of the developers behind it.

Believe, I'll prefer one thousand timed to get my sh*t stolen that blown up to smithereens for the lulz.

 

Ever since I/E was dropped, I have been robbed of a car sale just once (and the culprit just took said car for a ride, thankfully), the rest just try to blow it up for literally no reward.

 

The nature of the game not only depends of the players, also of the developer, R* actually used to give a sh*t about griefing (Passive Mode, Insurance) but now not only promotes it and rewards it, it even makes griefing as easier and lazier than ever with bullsh*t like the Orbital Cannon, no ammount of teamwork will defend you from that.

[Big Molio]

R* actually used to give a sh*t about griefing (Passive Mode, Insurance) but now not only promotes it and rewards it, it even makes griefing as easier and lazier than ever with bullsh*t like the Orbital Cannon, no ammount of teamwork will defend you from that.

 

 

With that in mind then, it is apparent that their current intentions are likely even further away from providing private lobbies.

 

I'm sorry that you all feel that pointing this stuff out is me apparently derailing, or being "Captain Obvious" or whatever other epithet you all feel like throwing around, but it's equally as obvious to me that their current set up works for them, certainly from the standpoint of promoting shark card sales.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Big Molio

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

 

We should push way, way more for it, sadly, the community is too fractured to make such a move work and if you don't believe me, just see Demonic Spaceman, Big Molio, ragedancaged (RIP in pieces) and other similar users derailing the thread and others with suggestions of improvement on purpose because it threatens their own heinous playstyle and behaviour in game.

I don't grief people any more, I only engage with people doing the Headhunter, Executive Search, Stand Your Ground type stuff (even then I get messages telling me to do one from the opposing players) smh

 

I just think that...

 

A) You're on a hiding to nothing with this. Rockstar arent going to give in to the demands of a bleating minority when the casual player base who will be funding the ongoing game is so much larger.

B) The level of griefing is typically exaggerated, and nowhere near the levels claimed, especially on consoles, and

C) By keep firing out this "derailing the thread" nonsense, you are exhibiting the same level of "don't you dare get in my way" entitlement as you obviously are in game. I suspect that having your CEO car stolen from you mid-delivery for example would cause you to become apoplectic and have you shouting your justifications for such lobbies, but that's the nature of the game, despite any additional perceived motives of the developers behind it.

I have a sneaking suspicion, behind the angst of doing business in a public lobby, is because of the abundance of cheaters.

 

Logically, there is no 'bright idea' to having operations of legit practices being subject to a plethora of cheaters with nothing to lose.

 

The griefer, who's definition of fun is, screwing with other people and causing them problems, is no more right/correct/validated, than the average joes definition of fun being, playing the business side to actually make GTA money.

 

The griefers 'fun' preference should NEVER take precedence over the joes. However, restriction of game modes, to areas that highly favor the griefers idea of 'fun', is a real problem, that needs mitigation.

[Big Molio]

I have a sneaking suspicion, behind the angst of doing business in a public lobby, is because of the abundance of cheaters.

Logically, there is no 'bright idea' to having operations of legit practices being subject to a plethora of cheaters with nothing to lose.

 

The griefer, who's definition of fun is, screwing with other people and causing them problems, is no more right/correct/validated, than the average joes definition of fun being, playing the business side to actually make GTA money.

 

The griefers 'fun' preference should NEVER take precedence over the joes. However, restriction of game modes, to areas that highly favor the griefers idea of 'fun', is a real problem, that needs mitigation.

 

 

You seem to be conflating two separate issues here, cheating and the idea that the game is unfairly weighted.

 

I have no experience of playing this game on PC, my route to where I am now was XBOX 360, then XBOX 1, XBOX 1X, so the cheating that is going on, which I define as any technical manipulation of the game to give yourself an advantage, is not really seen by me.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Big Molio

[Lonely-Martin]

 

R* actually used to give a sh*t about griefing (Passive Mode, Insurance) but now not only promotes it and rewards it, it even makes griefing as easier and lazier than ever with bullsh*t like the Orbital Cannon, no ammount of teamwork will defend you from that.

 

With that in mind then, it is apparent that their current intentions are likely even further away from providing private lobbies.

 

I'm sorry that you all feel that pointing this stuff out is me apparently derailing, or being "Captain Obvious" or whatever other epithet you all feel like throwing around, but it's equally as obvious to me that their current set up works for them, certainly from the standpoint of promoting shark card sales.

Again you miss one of my more recent key points.

 

The latest DLC did better numbers than all the PvP with locked PvE content did.

 

I agree, it sold well. But if R*'s announcement was right, this DLC bettered it.

 

After near 2 years of putting PvE players off, bang...

 

Even more!.

 

* And, to me, PC public lobbies are just as risky as old gen dude. Mod menus, account manipulations, the lot.

 

There at least, it's much more urgent to address. Surely, doing so would be easier than building a reputation got ignoring folk in their customer service dept. or fixing players accounts all the time through that crap.

Edited January 19, 2018 by KWF1981

[kenmy13999]

 

R* actually used to give a sh*t about griefing (Passive Mode, Insurance) but now not only promotes it and rewards it, it even makes griefing as easier and lazier than ever with bullsh*t like the Orbital Cannon, no ammount of teamwork will defend you from that.

 

With that in mind then, it is apparent that their current intentions are likely even further away from providing private lobbies.

 

I'm sorry that you all feel that pointing this stuff out is me apparently derailing, or being "Captain Obvious" or whatever other epithet you all feel like throwing around, but it's equally as obvious to me that their current set up works for them, certainly from the standpoint of promoting shark card sales.

Now you've pointed it out and made it clear what you mean so maybe you now can just let the people discuss this in peace and quiet without repeating the as you said obvious.. I think most people actually understand that the game is as intended and that any changes regarding public sessions only will never change but let them talk about it and discuss it, if you don't like them talking about it just don't open the thread

[Big Molio]

Again you miss one of my more recent key points.

The latest DLC did better numbers than all the PvP with locked PvE content did.

 

I agree, it sold well. But if R*'s announcement was right, this DLC bettered it.

 

After near 2 years of putting PvE players off, bang...

 

Even more!.

 

 

I didn't miss it, it wasn't relevant to my reply to Voodoo-Hendrix.

 

To answer you, if the bean counters believe DLC along the lines of Doomsday to be lucrative for them, they'll make more, for sure.

Now you've pointed it out and made it clear what you mean so maybe you now can just let the people discuss this in peace and quiet without repeating the as you said obvious.. I think most people actually understand that the game is as intended and that any changes regarding public sessions only will never change but let them talk about it and discuss it, if you don't like them talking about it just don't open the thread

 

 

I'm discussing it as well, or is "peace and quiet" a euphemism for "we only want people in this thread who won't disagree with us and who will toe the line with regards to our demands in this petition" ?

[Lonely-Martin]

 

Again you miss one of my more recent key points.

The latest DLC did better numbers than all the PvP with locked PvE content did.

 

I agree, it sold well. But if R*'s announcement was right, this DLC bettered it.

 

After near 2 years of putting PvE players off, bang...

 

Even more!.

 

I didn't miss it, it wasn't relevant to my reply to Voodoo-Hendrix.

 

To answer you, if the bean counters believe DLC along the lines of Doomsday to be lucrative for them, they'll make more, for sure.

@ Voodoo-Hendrix too...

 

There it is.

 

As you mentioned to start a new petition, this is it. Not to go over the old, but yo show R* the positive of the newer DLC, and their own claim on the numbers.

 

We can see them offer more, this DLC shows it. And with things like I/E cars free to be stolen instead of destroyed too, again, requesting competition in future that's less about compromising bank accounts, and encourages the sport of it more and more. Removing timers to allow us to fight without fear our sh*t just gets lost, and that more than going for exclusive sessions on this stuff.

 

Again, noting it might not be able to be changed, so we show them a way with more options wins out all the time, all around.

 

An idea at least.

[Black-Dragon96]

@Molio

One could argue that they changed their current intentions because its nearly impossible to destroy the vehicles sourced in the doomsday prep missions.

[kenmy13999]

 

Again you miss one of my more recent key points.

The latest DLC did better numbers than all the PvP with locked PvE content did.

 

I agree, it sold well. But if R*'s announcement was right, this DLC bettered it.

 

After near 2 years of putting PvE players off, bang...

 

Even more!.

 

I didn't miss it, it wasn't relevant to my reply to Voodoo-Hendrix.

 

To answer you, if the bean counters believe DLC along the lines of Doomsday to be lucrative for them, they'll make more, for sure.

Now you've pointed it out and made it clear what you mean so maybe you now can just let the people discuss this in peace and quiet without repeating the as you said obvious.. I think most people actually understand that the game is as intended and that any changes regarding public sessions only will never change but let them talk about it and discuss it, if you don't like them talking about it just don't open the thread

 

I'm discussing it as well, or is "peace and quiet" a euphemism for "we only want people in this thread who won't disagree with us and who will toe the line with regards to our demands in this petition" ?

Discussing just for the sake of arguing and being stubborn is redundant and unnecessary imo but that's just me. If people feel you're derailing the thread maybe you are but the mods allow it so this isn't up to me at least. I don't pay that much attention to this thread either but every time I check it I see the same people continue with the same arguments that this will never happen, it's really not discussing either but more repeating yourselves in a slightly different way..

 

I've said before that I think the whole 'public lobbies is so bad' is a bit exaggerated and I personally don't think it's needed so no this isn't an attempt of saying that people with different opinions shouldn't be allowed to post here..

 

Edit: I still don't mind if it happens so everyone can play as they like

Edited January 19, 2018 by kenmy13999

[Ghoffman9]

I think this guy nailed it pretty good. Explains the change from the game's launch to now pretty well.

 

[Hiroler77`]

LordRaiijin,

 

I am so glad you got this started i will be sigining today and i hope i can bring more names to our cause

 

Thank You

 

 

Tried your link and its not working.. I think R* is on to us..

Edited January 20, 2018 by Hiroler77`

[Dr.Rosenthal]

I was in a session the other day. It was a kumbaya-type of session, we were 4-8 players in there.. and all was cool. Except for this one lardbrain who came flying in his Deluxo and blew up my vehicle cargo. No reason to it. He just flew across the map, blew up my cargo (I wasnt looking because it was a friendly session). Then he flew away.

 

Same session, maybe two hours later. My friend decides to buy an mc, and Im helping him. We run a freeroam mission. The Deluxo guy hasnt bothered us at all. All of a sudden BOOM there that coward sack of peas come flying again, blowing us up and then flies off. No way in hell that I follow him to shoot down his disgusting face, itll only cost me 20k.

 

I usually stay on the lookout, but in a session like this? How small testicles does one need to own to behave like the aforementioned Deluxo user? Oh, no balls at all, huh? Guess I should have known..

 

As I said though; Im used to GTA Online, I play almost exclusively in public free roam, I know the dos and donts. As for getting blown up by pussies, there are typically workarounds and strategies to keep you safe.

 

As for my friend.. I hope hell be back. He and many others are already aware of the PvP nightmare thats GTA Online, and the pussy on the Deluxo only further strengthened his beliefs.. its a shame.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Dr.Rosenthal

[Redolver]

I think this guy nailed it pretty good. Explains the change from the game's launch to now pretty well.

 

and here i thought i was the only one here watching Sonny Evans

[ALifeOfMisery]

 

I think this guy nailed it pretty good. Explains the change from the game's launch to now pretty well.

and here i thought i was the only one here watching Sonny Evans

It's some of the best GTA related content I've seen in a long time. Really enjoyed all the Geographic series.

 

I've sent Charles out to restock my gin and tonic.

[Rabid Vulpix]

I'm waiting for R* to add new daily objectives:

 

- Destroy a Business Delivery.

- Interfere with a Supply Mission.

- Destroy $500K Worth of Business Stock.

- Cause $50K in Damage to an Export Vehicle

- Kill 20 CEOs/Presidents with a Deluxo

- Kill 50 Associates with an Oppresor

- Destroy 10 Business Aircraft with Explosive Shot

 

 

You can forget R* ever implementing non-public business work, this year marked their best in shark card sales.

They will not give up on making money for the sake of making things easier for players.

From their standpoint they would lose potential profit.

 

It really suck for us players, but it's reality.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Foreverpast

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

I'm waiting for R* to add new daily objectives:

 

- Destroy a Business Delivery.

- Interfere with a Supply Mission.

- Destroy $500K Worth of Business Stock.

- Cause $50K in Damage to an Export Vehicle

- Kill 20 CEOs or Presidents with a Deluxo

- Kill 50 Associates with an Oppresor

- Destroy 10 Business Aircraft with Explosive Shot

 

 

You can forget R* ever implementing non-public business work, this year marked their best in shark card sales.

They will not give up on making money for the sake of making things easier for players.

From their standpoint they would lose potential profit.

 

It really suck for us players, but it's reality.

Don't give them ideas!

 

Thankfully, R* philosophy of "never ever modify legacy content unless its profitable to the player" means that they will never update the Daily Objectives list.

 

At least I hope so.

[Rabid Vulpix]

 

I'm waiting for R* to add new daily objectives:

 

- Destroy a Business Delivery.

- Interfere with a Supply Mission.

- Destroy $500K Worth of Business Stock.

- Cause $50K in Damage to an Export Vehicle

- Kill 20 CEOs or Presidents with a Deluxo

- Kill 50 Associates with an Oppresor

- Destroy 10 Business Aircraft with Explosive Shot

 

 

You can forget R* ever implementing non-public business work, this year marked their best in shark card sales.

They will not give up on making money for the sake of making things easier for players.

From their standpoint they would lose potential profit.

 

It really suck for us players, but it's reality.

Don't give them ideas!

 

Thankfully, R* philosophy of "never ever modify legacy content unless its profitable to the player" means that they will never update the Daily Objectives list.

 

At least I hope so.

 

 

Well adding those objectives would help encourage alot of players reach that $25,000 reward for completing daily challenges.

 

In addition increasing the risk to business operations, thus reducing potential in-game earnings, thus pushing to shark cards.

Also it'd nudge more players to spend cash on two very expensive vehicles, & invest in research to get Explosive Shot.

 

 

Alternatively they could add a new business entirely where destroying CEO, Biker, Hangar, & I/E deliveries of other players rewards you with that value or half of the value worth in stock being added to a currently active business stock of you're own. Example blowing up $400k of crates belonging to another player will reward you with a $200k boost in your Bunker stock manufacturing. Any thing to encourage counter-profit actions to push towards their marketing goals.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Foreverpast

[Xiled]

Funny this topic comes up again and the usual suspects "who don't care about this topic" are back again. Its been fun playing in public "solo" lobbies when I occasionally play. If we could play in private lobbies, I wouldn't have to do a minor exploit to play in "private lobbies" anyway.

 

Another 4 pages added to this in only 4 days. Glad that the anti non public only lobby people are here keeping this thread at the top of the gtaforums and keeping the petition relevant.

Edited January 21, 2018 by Xiled

[Lonely-Martin]

I'm waiting for R* to add new daily objectives:

 

- Destroy a Business Delivery.

- Interfere with a Supply Mission.

- Destroy $500K Worth of Business Stock.

- Cause $50K in Damage to an Export Vehicle

- Kill 20 CEOs/Presidents with a Deluxo

- Kill 50 Associates with an Oppresor

- Destroy 10 Business Aircraft with Explosive Shot

 

 

You can forget R* ever implementing non-public business work, this year marked their best in shark card sales.

They will not give up on making money for the sake of making things easier for players.

From their standpoint they would lose potential profit.

 

It really suck for us players, but it's reality.

Well, if they are true in their claim...

 

Doomsday made them more money/encouraged more players than even those public only businesses did throughout that great year.

 

It was all topped by this DLC that has more flexibility and options.

 

Seems obvious to me that there's even more money and players to be had if they open the game up more to attract both playstyles.

 

In fact, looking at this DLC's popularity, maybe they lost more customers than they realised through those public/forced PvP DLC's.

 

Who's to say, had it been more flexible, or truly competitive out there just how much they could have earned.

 

This DDH DLC is head and shoulders better.

 

IMO, and going by R*'s statement. So, more please!.

 

Yeah, naturally I'm not so keen on those daily objective ideas man, lol. But I got my awards there. Nothing will ever see me be that player really, lol.

Edited January 21, 2018 by KWF1981

[Big Molio]

Funny this topic comes up again and the usual suspects "who don't care about this topic" are back again. Its been fun playing in public "solo" lobbies when I occasionally play. If we could play in private lobbies, I wouldn't have to do a minor exploit to play in "private lobbies" anyway.

 

Another 4 pages added to this in only 4 days. Glad that the anti non public only lobby people are here keeping this thread at the top of the gtaforums and keeping the petition relevant.

Perhaps it is less not caring about the topic and simply more of a difference of opinion on a couple of things? Like, the extent of the apparent griefing, and the thought that it may be exaggerated? Or that what is being complained about are maybe technical issues and / or cheaters, and nothing to do with the concept of the game mode? Or that the idea of providing a structure of things to do in the public lobby is perhaps sound, and further means of legitimate segregation isn't conducive to the principle of having players play together?

 

It's analagous to a school sports coach trying to put a team game together, and telling all the overweight and less athletic kids that they don't have to play if they don't want to and can go home instead. That's exactly what they will do. So ultimately you're left with no game at all.

 

That's why unofficial methods will remain the only way for you to do this, not to mention the other great elephant in the room which is the shark card element.

 

What is funny though, is the irony of posts like yours above which add nothing but a petulant snipe, they are the ones that derail this thread despite all the protests and howls of derision against counter points to the petition. Whichever, this thread has become little more than a circular argument, on both sides.

Edited January 21, 2018 by Big Molio

[HamwithCheese]

Difference in opinion? On having more options? Why would you ever be opposed to that, in a game that's practically built around freedom?

 

All you've said is "It'll never happen because shark cards." Literally everyone already knows this, but it does not hurt to get the word out and dream, so you having a opposing opinion here is practically moot.

[Big Molio]

Difference in opinion? On having more options? Why would you ever be opposed to that, in a game that's practically built around freedom?

 

All you've said is "It'll never happen because shark cards." Literally everyone already knows this, but it does not hurt to get the word out and dream, so you having a opposing opinion here is practically moot.

 

The principle of "more options" depends on whether you consider the giving the option to potentially further segregate the player base in public lobbies as a

sound principle. I'm not sure that it is. For all its faults, I think the concept of GTA Online works better the more populated with players it is.

 

PS - Can you not see the irony in denouncing a point of view as "moot" because it merely offers up the reality of the situation as opposed to your "dreams"?

Edited January 21, 2018 by Big Molio

[Lonely-Martin]

Difference in opinion? On having more options? Why would you ever be opposed to that, in a game that's practically built around freedom?

 

All you've said is "It'll never happen because shark cards." Literally everyone already knows this, but it does not hurt to get the word out and dream, so you having a opposing opinion here is practically moot.

What's funny is, and it's looking quite likely, maybe R* lost out on more card sales over the last 18 months or so than they could have gotten, lol.

 

Absolutely, they did very well indeed, no doubting that.

 

But, DDH did better... Had they allowed more choice and options, like keeping crew sessions thriving like they once did...

 

How many cards they could have sold, seeing now how a far more flexible DLC like this went over?.

 

These guys had a case with their shark card numbers counter arguments, but that's just been pulled out from under their feet rapidly, lol.

 

DDH did more.

 

I'm keen to see R* realise this.

[HamwithCheese]

 

Difference in opinion? On having more options? Why would you ever be opposed to that, in a game that's practically built around freedom?

 

All you've said is "It'll never happen because shark cards." Literally everyone already knows this, but it does not hurt to get the word out and dream, so you having a opposing opinion here is practically moot.

The principle of "more options" depends on whether you consider the giving the option to potentially further segregate the player base in public lobbies as a

sound principle. I'm not sure that it is. For all its faults, I think the concept of GTA Online works better the more populated with players it is.

 

PS - Can you not see the irony in denouncing a point of view as "moot" because it merely offers up the reality of the situation as opposed to your "dreams"?

Segregate the player base? If anything it would sort and unite it, how it was in 2013.

 

And oh wow reality boy you wanna talk about reality restrictions in a videogame wow tell me more.

 

No in fact, tell me how "segregating the player base" affects you in a negative way, since this is you opinion.

[kenmy13999]

 

Difference in opinion? On having more options? Why would you ever be opposed to that, in a game that's practically built around freedom?

 

All you've said is "It'll never happen because shark cards." Literally everyone already knows this, but it does not hurt to get the word out and dream, so you having a opposing opinion here is practically moot.

I think the concept of GTA Online works better the more populated with players it is.

 

PS - Can you not see the irony in denouncing a point of view "moot" because it merely offers up the reality of the situation as opposed to your "dreams"?

Snipped some of your post because I kind of think the same as you that more populated is better but sometimes it probably wouldn't hurt to have the option either..

 

This is a petition about allowing players to play in invite only and not a discussion about letting people do it. Is it really necessary to continue giving your point of view in a thread like this? We all know this is most likely never happening so why not let the thread be what it was meant for? A petition and not a discussion, I'm not telling you but asking you..

 

Edit: never mind, seems like people want to discuss it..

Edited January 21, 2018 by kenmy13999

[Big Molio]

These guys had a case with their shark card numbers counter arguments, but that's just been pulled out from under their feet rapidly, lol.

 

I see that this is a drum you currently like to bang, but DDH and public lobby play, structurally, is comparing apples with oranges. If it has proven popular, then all that suggests is that Rockstar will consider turning out more of the same in addition, not restructure the nature of public session play which you concede is almost as lucrative for them.

 

Segregate the player base? If anything it would sort and unite it, how it was in 2013.

And oh wow reality boy you wanna talk about reality restrictions in a videogame wow tell me more.

 

No in fact, tell me how "segregating the player base" affects you in a negative way, since this is you opinion.

 

The principle of giving players the option to slope off and just grind away at CEO jobs et al in private lobbies would affect everybody. They do it already by unofficial means, but that doesn't mean that the game makers must sanction it.

 

And what's with the attitude? Can't we keep it civil, I haven't been chippy with you have I?

Edited January 21, 2018 by Big Molio

[HamwithCheese]

You still haven't answered my question.

[Big Molio]

You still haven't answered my question.

 

I did answer it. You just didn’t get the answer you were looking for.

 

I'll say it again though. I think that giving players things to do in public sessions to promote interaction, then allowing them to go off and do them in private sessions is counter-intuitive to the concept.

 

Better to do as KWF suggests and throw in more co-op style content as dedicated off-lobby jobs to co-exist alongside it.

Edited January 21, 2018 by Big Molio