GTA Online Petition: Allow players to play Finance & Felony in an

[Nyamber]

 

 

You want to have your cake and to eat it.

That is the point of a cake, yes.

[Big Molio]

That is the point of a cake, yes.

Not a popular saying that then in Ireland? Lol

[Akurei_Marquis]

The murderous children have become so bad that we just auto vote kick anyone who is not in our crew,... now we have over 30 crew members, so if some random gets in all they see is our clan controlling the server, those that wish to play in peace may join our crew.... If not.. there's the door, here let us show you the way out at the end of our Boots

[Black-Dragon96]

I can read. You want to have your cake and to eat it.

This post basicly proves otherwise, but ok.

Getting eaten is the point of cake im afraid. Thats what i have done with it the last 21 years.

 

Lets split this stuff up to make it easier to understand:

 

On the one hand, you campaign for private lobbies on the grounds that even solo public lobbies run the risk of being joined by troublemakers, [...]

 

I campaing for these missions in private lobbys because i want the players to be able to choose how they want to play.

Yes solo public lobbys run the risk of someone joining, never said otherwise. A very low risk, but its there.

 

[...]and then as soon as you are faced with the notion of having the regular pay cut for what would be irregular play in easy private lobbies, you try to argue that these two play models would be the same thing.

Have i said that both lobbys are the same? No I have not. I even pointed out a diffrence that i will touch on at the end of my post.

I have said that the gameplay in a private lobby is very similar if not equal to the gameplay in a solo public lobby (a lobby with no other players).

If nobody joins the solo public session the gameplay the have during the same resupply/sale mission is pretty much equal for both the private player and the solo public player. Both fight npcs, both deliver their cargo without any pvp interaction and both take the exact same time to deliver their goods, so both should get the same payout at the end of the mission.

The only diffrence is that the solo public player has the risk that someone joins during his sale. Its a risk the solo public player knows about and if he would not wish to have this risk he would join a private session and do his bussines stuff there. Its also a risk that would benefit him in case someone joins, because he would get a highdemand bonus for the player who joined.

Because of these two things (the ability to avoid the risk of someone joining and the high demand bonus in case someone joins) i DO NOT think that a solo public player should get more than a private player or that a private player should only get a nerfed payout.

Basepayout for everyone playing without a PvP threat and basepayout + high demand bonus for everyone with a PvP threat. The Bonus would be the reward for having the actuall possible attackers in the lobby your selling in.

[Big Molio]

Getting eaten is the point of cake im afraid. Thats what i have done with it the last 21 years.

Another one who doesn't understand a well known idiom. Is it a country thing? Autism? Or have I missed you trying to make a joke?

 

"Having" your cake in the saying means keeping it. i.e. you can't keep your cake and eat it at the same.

 

Never mind.

 

You should keep wishing for private lobbies I suppose. My wish is that R* disable the jobs for solo and crew only lobbies. That'll teach ya.

Edited August 8, 2017 by Big Molio

[Jimbatron]

It's another small area where I think GTA IV had it right (in the case where lobbies could be competitive or cooperative by turning FF on or off).

 

Having the option ought to be better for everyone. If you want a competitive, combative session, you know everyone in there is up for it, because they explicitly picked that option. Therefore you're likely to get more action if that's what you're after. On the other hand if you want to enjoy all the game play in a more co-operative environment that'd be an option too. R* already add extra bad guys in export deliveries missions if you're on your own in a server - it's entirely up to them to set PVE difficulty levels if there are concerns about easy money and reduction in shark card sales.

Edited August 8, 2017 by Jimbatron

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Why not making sales more difficult in Invite lobbies instead of reducing the payout instead?

 

Like maybe a 15 minute limit and more aimbot NPCs?

 

While annoying, I think that would be a good compromise.

Edited August 8, 2017 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Black-Dragon96]

@ Jim

This!

Everyone enjoys diffrent ways to play. Some like PvP some like PvE. Both types of players should have the option to play these missions fitting to their playstyle.

Im all for making these missions a challenging PvE experience in private lobbys. Let them come at me in insurgents, buzzards, valkyries, during gunrunning sales, let them form roadblocks like the cops do.

 

@ Molio

Has to be a country thing, never heard this saying here in germany.

I honestly doubt that you understand the meaning of this german saying "nothing is getting eaten as hot as it gets cooked" (translated is as good as I could).

Edited August 8, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[Guest]

 

No flexibility, no compromise, nothing to make it attractive to Rockstar, why would they decide to make the change 14 months on when they have clearly shown no intention of doing so to date?

We should not have to make it attractive for Rockstar, Rockstar should have to make it attractive for the players.

 

Why should the players make a petition for something diffrent, if simply allowing these missions in private is what they want? Suggesting something like this is just stupid.

 

 

If the lower payout is a concern perhaps improve your internet connection/LAN.

 

I'm constantly in sessions of 25+ players and never get dropped, fix your network or change your ISP for a better one. You may be given 70mbps or whatever but they may still have issues connecting to other players. I know my internet used to have issues with youtube yet is 250mbps so speed is pretty irrelevant provided it's above the minimum requirement (which is very low).

How can someone improve his internet if he already has the best internet that the network service in the area he lives in provides?

Not everyone lives in a metropolitan area with a high bandwith.

I have an average download speed of 800 kbits/s (it takes over 8 hours to download all gta online updates when i have to reinstall the game), my buddys connection is even slower. Its the best we can get because no network service in our area sells a faster/better connection. There was even a time when my buddy had to use his mobile internet to play because it was faster than the wire intermet in his area.

So shut up with this "improve you connection" bullsh*t.

 

You really think Rockstar need to make it attractive for players? Have you not seen that GTA Online is still one of the top played games at the moment, has just had a record quarter and is incredibly popular with the current format. Why would Rockstar need to change anything? Think about it. You can bitch at me all you like, I'm not Rockstar but the problem is, Rockstar don't give a sh*t what you want - they have ignored your request for over a year!

 

Players need to make the petition different. It's 14 months old and has failed. Leave it as it is by all means but if the last 14 months have shown us anything it's that it hasn't worked. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity yet here you are claiming that attempting to find a solution which satisfies both yourself and Rockstar is stupid?

 

If the internet is the best they can get then chances are they have issues on their equipment. If the equipment is all 100% OK then complain to the ISP to fix their service. If no better internet is available then you should know online gaming isn't going to be at an acceptable level. Would you buy a car that only runs on fuel with a Research Octane Number of 99 or higher knowing you can only get fuel up to 98 RON or 96 RON? You are playing a video game which the developer has stated minimum internet speeds required for play yet you attempt to play with a lesser speed and complain about it? Move out of the third world and quit your bullsh*t about having issues when you are clearly ignoring the minimum requirements to play the game!

[Black-Dragon96]

You really think Rockstar need to make it attractive for players? Have you not seen that GTA Online is still one of the top played games at the moment, has just had a record quarter and is incredibly popular with the current format. Why would Rockstar need to change anything? Think about it. You can bitch at me all you like, I'm not Rockstar but the problem is, Rockstar don't give a sh*t what you want - they have ignored your request for over a year!

Just because the game gets played a lot or had a record quater in money making (even sh*t games can make a ton of money, look at cod) that does not mean that the players like the current design. Many people are fed up with the public only bullsh*t but this does not mean that they suddenly stop playing (atleast not all of them).

You also missunderstood me. I said that the players do not have to ask for changes who are attractive for Rockstar, Rockstar is the one who (if they make changes) has to make changes who are attractive to the player. They are selling a product so they have to do what the players want. I hope you catch my drift.

 

Players need to make the petition different. It's 14 months old and has failed. Leave it as it is by all means but if the last 14 months have shown us anything it's that it hasn't worked. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity yet here you are claiming that attempting to find a solution which satisfies both yourself and Rockstar is stupid?

I honestly doubt that you have ever made a petition yourself, otherwise you would know that you dont change the goals of a petition.

You dont change what your petition stands for to get success, that would make you look implausible (google translator did not find a better word). Why should we change what we want to something that we dont want just to gain success with the petition and to please rockstar, thats ridiculous.

 

If the internet is the best they can get then chances are they have issues on their equipment. If the equipment is all 100% OK then complain to the ISP to fix their service. If no better internet is available then you should know online gaming isn't going to be at an acceptable level. Would you buy a car that only runs on fuel with a Research Octane Number of 99 or higher knowing you can only get fuel up to 98 RON or 96 RON? You are playing a video game which the developer has stated minimum internet speeds required for play yet you attempt to play with a lesser speed and complain about it? Move out of the third world and quit your bullsh*t about having issues when you are clearly ignoring the minimum requirements to play the game!

Ok mr smarta$$, its definitly my equipment if the freaking wire outside my door burried under the street is not good enough to support a faster speed than i currently have.

I should definitly stop online gaming because some random dude thinks that everyone without a specific ping should not be able to connect.

There is no specific connection stated for gta online other than "need to have a highspeed connection". My connection is a highspeed connection by law. I can play every other online game without any problem. Only Rockstars potato matchmaking causes problems with session splits and unknown network errors.

"Move out of the third world", sure because a few hunderd kilometers away from Berlin and 25 kilometers away from the next mayor city is the third world.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[Guest]

It wont change unless a proposed change is attractive to Rockstar, this much should be obvious. It's 14 months since the petition, nothing has changed. Three further updates and it keeps the same format. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's selling, it's being played, Rockstar have no NEED to change it so why would they? If you want it changed you must propose a change that is attractive to them otherwise they will continue to ignore the requests, as they have been doing for 14 months. What part of that can you not understand? A 14 month long failed petition is proof enough that Rockstar don't want that change and really don't give a sh*t about the complaints.

 

Your petition has failed. There is no argument about that. You can stick to your guns all you like but if that's the case it belongs in the bitch and moan.

 

Yes there is a minimum speed for GTA Online, it's on Rockstar's support site;

Download speed: 3Mbps

Upload speed (recommended):1Mbps

Upload speed (minimum): .5 Mbps

 

Taken from https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/200525767-GTA-Online-Connection-Troubleshooting?flash_digest=d3faa3f2f271ccac1dadde6cbda974af649296ed

 

Posted 11th October 2013

 

With the increased lobby size this is likely increased for current gen/PC also, the above was for last gen with lobbies of 16. If you don't exceed this or at the very least meet it then you will have problems, similar to if you used a lesser quality fuel in a car that requires better, as previously stated.

 

You claim to have 0.8mpbs down, which isn't even a third of what is required. In fact it's almost only a quarter of what is required. You cannot complain about the connection issues with the game when your connection is the issue. Your internet is not suitable for online play. You cannot expect it to be suitable.

[Hécate-II]

I recall many peoples didn't liked the CEO aerial deliveries with NPC Buzzards and NPC Valkyries, what about replace sh*tty karts and sh*tty trucks with those type of deliveries in the IO version of GR? Lets make something much more harder for peoples who don't want play in public lobbies.

 

Let say for Gunrunning, IO version:

 

Airfreight( available up to 500k worth of product)

 

Buy a Cargobob* and deliver a Jetsam/Thriftex container to a single drop off(somewhere on a barge located in the open ocean).

 

 

*with a system similar to CEO red desk, this Cargobob Will only be used for delivering GR weapons, its tied to your bunker, like upgraded CEO Titan/Cuban/Tugboats/Brickade are tied to your Special Cargo warehouses.

 

20 NPC Valkyries attack you. Make sure to have aerial support.

 

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Titan of a Delivery(from 500k to 1Mio worth of product)

 

Pilot a Titan from LSIA and land it on a beach near Paleto.

 

Merryweather orders an entire fleet of Lazers(saying 15, divided in 3 waves) to destroy your Titan.

 

Make sure to have an aerial support composed of skilled jet pilots with you.

 

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I would take anything but playing with that playerbase, the more I play GTA, the more I hate the player base, can't be helped, I just prefere NPC opponents, they just look better, don't wear stupid zombie/chimp masks, they don't ride à stupid flying bike...etc, and I don't complain if they're 300% accurate.

 

You just can't imagine how much my immersion is f*cked actually...i'm driving a f*cking armed kart and a f*cking kiddo wearing a f*cking mask comes at me with his f*cking f*cking flying bike.

 

Immersion broken. f*cking fantasy contents. At every update its worse and worse, more f*cking masks, more stupid vehicles. I just wish the game could have been stopped after the release of FaFF.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Hécate-II

[Guest]

I recall many peoples didn't liked the CEO aerial deliveries with NPC Buzzards and NPC Valkyries, what about replace sh*tty karts and sh*tty trucks with those type of deliveries in the IO version of GR? Lets make something much more harder for peoples who don't want play in public lobbies.

 

Let say for Gunrunning, IO version:

 

Airfreight( available up to 500k worth of product)

 

Buy a Cargobob* and deliver a Jetsam/Thriftex container to a single drop off(somewhere on a barge located in the open ocean).

 

 

*with a system similar to CEO red desk, this Cargobob Will only be used for delivering GR weapons, its tied to your bunker, like upgraded CEO Titan/Cuban/Tugboats/Brickade are tied to your Special Cargo warehouses.

 

20 NPC Valkyries attack you. Make sure to have aerial support.

 

----------------_____

Titan of a Delivery(from 500k to 1Mio worth of product)

 

Pilot a Titan from LSIA and land it on a beach near Paleto.

 

Merryweather orders an entire fleet of Lazers(saying 15, divided in 3 waves) to destroy your Titan.

 

Make sure to have an aerial support composed of skilled jet pilots with you.

 

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I would take anything but playing with that playerbase, the more I play GTA, the more I hate the player base, can't be helped, I just prefere NPC opponents, they just look better, don't wear stupid zombie/chimp masks, they don't ride à stupid flying bike...etc, and I don't complain if they're 300% accurate.

 

You just can't imagine how much my immersion is f*cked actually...i'm driving a f*cking armed kart and a f*cking kiddo wearing a f*cking mask comes at me with his f*cking f*cking flying bike.

 

Immersion broken. f*cking fantasy contents. At every update its worse and worse, more f*cking masks, more stupid vehicles. I just wish the game could have been stopped after the release of FaFF.

Focus has shifted to the playerbase who buy shark cards i.e. kids. It sucks and has ruined the game in many areas. That's another issue though.

 

Some good ideas although would require a big update to do that, would Rockstar put in the time to do it for players who don't buy shark cards?

[Black-Dragon96]

It wont change unless a proposed change is attractive to Rockstar, this much should be obvious. It's 14 months since the petition, nothing has changed. Three further updates and it keeps the same format. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's selling, it's being played, Rockstar have no NEED to change it so why would they? If you want it changed you must propose a change that is attractive to them otherwise they will continue to ignore the requests, as they have been doing for 14 months. What part of that can you not understand?

Like I said people can still play the game, even if they do not like a part of it. Ifs sellng so well (well the sharkcards are) because the ingame content is freaking expensive. This along with the impatient people who fast track all the research and buy sharkcards to do so leads to the "huge success" that the gunrunning update was.

It does not need to be attractive for rockstar, all thats needed is that enough players need to demand a change and your "hurr durr they wont change it, the petition has failed, stop complaining" does not help on this task.

 

A 14 month long failed petition is proof enough that Rockstar don't want that change and really don't give a sh*t about the complaints.

 

Your petition has failed. There is no argument about that. You can stick to your guns all you like but if that's the case it belongs in the bitch and moan.

It has not failed! The day it fails is the day gta online stops getting updated without this feature being added. Some things tske a long time and i know for a fact that more and more people get fed up with the forced public crap every update.

This petition does not belong to bitch and moan. Like I said in the past i know you would like to see it rott in there, so Rockstar wont see the demand for a change and keep your prefered easy kill gameplay.

You wont change my opinion on that topic and if you dont like it that people want to change the current system then there is not much I can do for you.

 

Yes there is a minimum speed for GTA Online, it's on Rockstar's support site;

Download speed: 3Mbps

Upload speed (recommended):1Mbps

Upload speed (minimum): .5 Mbps

 

 

You claim to have 0.8mpbs down, which isn't even a third of what is required. In fact it's almost only a quarter of what is required. You cannot complain about the connection issues with the game when your connection is the issue. Your internet is not suitable for online play. You cannot expect it to be suitable.

Thing is i have no problem during normal gameplay (other online games run also with zero problems). No laggs, no nothing. Just the ramdom network errors or sessionsplits that my crewmates from the netherlands (with far better internet) also have. I also never claimed that I have only a 0.8 mbps connection/bamdwith, I said thats my download while downloading updates (you missunderstood me here pal). My taskmanager says something around 5 mbps, it atleast puts a line there.

I know for a fact that my connection is not the issue but rockstars crappy matchmaking. Like I said, I downloaded watchdogs 2 updates and played gta online in a 30 player lobby at the same time with zero problems. The other day i downloaded nothing and got 3 sessionsplits in a row toped with a unknown network error in the end.

[Xiled]

It wont change unless a proposed change is attractive to Rockstar, this much should be obvious. It's 14 months since the petition, nothing has changed. Three further updates and it keeps the same format. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's selling, it's being played, Rockstar have no NEED to change it so why would they? If you want it changed you must propose a change that is attractive to them otherwise they will continue to ignore the requests, as they have been doing for 14 months. What part of that can you not understand? A 14 month long failed petition is proof enough that Rockstar don't want that change and really don't give a sh*t about the complaints.

 

Your petition has failed. There is no argument about that. You can stick to your guns all you like but if that's the case it belongs in the bitch and moan.

 

Yes there is a minimum speed for GTA Online, it's on Rockstar's support site;

Download speed: 3Mbps

Upload speed (recommended):1Mbps

Upload speed (minimum): .5 Mbps

 

Taken from https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/200525767-GTA-Online-Connection-Troubleshooting?flash_digest=d3faa3f2f271ccac1dadde6cbda974af649296ed

 

Posted 11th October 2013

 

With the increased lobby size this is likely increased for current gen/PC also, the above was for last gen with lobbies of 16. If you don't exceed this or at the very least meet it then you will have problems, similar to if you used a lesser quality fuel in a car that requires better, as previously stated.

 

You claim to have 0.8mpbs down, which isn't even a third of what is required. In fact it's almost only a quarter of what is required. You cannot complain about the connection issues with the game when your connection is the issue. Your internet is not suitable for online play. You cannot expect it to be suitable.

Connection is fine the only online game that I have lots of issues with is gta online. I play dozens of online games and combined I have less "problems" with all of those games than I do with gta online. I have 23x the speed that gta online says you need and I still have lots of issues with the game. So many issues in fact I consider them part of the game now. Like when I join friends and it sometimes says player no longer in session, than the game loads me into there session anyway. I have a friend that has google fiber and still sometimes "lags out" of sessions. Peer to Peer allows as many people as possible to play the game however if someone laggy joins the session everyone has to suffer because of it.

 

His poll is doing quite well with 500 signatures. Where is your poll to have 25% of the profit taken away for playing in a private lobby like you propose? You say b*tch/moan for what he wants in his poll but you are the one that keeps b*tching about his "failed" poll. The funny thing is that I first heard about his poll due to you bringing it up so much. Your making more people aware of the poll everytime you bring it up and are helping his cause the more you talk about it. I told some of my friends to sign the poll as well. Thanks for making me aware of it. If rockstar makes them playable in private lobbies or they don't do anything about it, more and more people will play in public lobbies by themselves. Just toady I explained the mtu method to a couple friends to get solo public lobbies. There is demand for certain outfits to be buyable and rockstar forces people to glitch the game to get outfits they want.

[Guest]

 

It wont change unless a proposed change is attractive to Rockstar, this much should be obvious. It's 14 months since the petition, nothing has changed. Three further updates and it keeps the same format. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's selling, it's being played, Rockstar have no NEED to change it so why would they? If you want it changed you must propose a change that is attractive to them otherwise they will continue to ignore the requests, as they have been doing for 14 months. What part of that can you not understand? A 14 month long failed petition is proof enough that Rockstar don't want that change and really don't give a sh*t about the complaints.

 

Your petition has failed. There is no argument about that. You can stick to your guns all you like but if that's the case it belongs in the bitch and moan.

 

Yes there is a minimum speed for GTA Online, it's on Rockstar's support site;

Download speed: 3Mbps

Upload speed (recommended):1Mbps

Upload speed (minimum): .5 Mbps

 

Taken from https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/200525767-GTA-Online-Connection-Troubleshooting?flash_digest=d3faa3f2f271ccac1dadde6cbda974af649296ed

 

Posted 11th October 2013

 

With the increased lobby size this is likely increased for current gen/PC also, the above was for last gen with lobbies of 16. If you don't exceed this or at the very least meet it then you will have problems, similar to if you used a lesser quality fuel in a car that requires better, as previously stated.

 

You claim to have 0.8mpbs down, which isn't even a third of what is required. In fact it's almost only a quarter of what is required. You cannot complain about the connection issues with the game when your connection is the issue. Your internet is not suitable for online play. You cannot expect it to be suitable.

Connection is fine the only online game that I have lots of issues with is gta online. I play dozens of online games and combined I have less "problems" with all of those games than I do with gta online. I have 23x the speed that gta online says you need and I still have lots of issues with the game. So many issues in fact I consider them part of the game now. Like when I join friends and it sometimes says player no longer in session, than the game loads me into there session anyway. I have a friend that has google fiber and still sometimes "lags out" of sessions. Peer to Peer allows as many people as possible to play the game however if someone laggy joins the session everyone has to suffer because of it.

 

His poll is doing quite well with 500 signatures. Where is your poll to have 25% of the profit taken away for playing in a private lobby like you propose? You say b*tch/moan for what he wants in his poll but you are the one that keeps b*tching about his "failed" poll. The funny thing is that I first heard about his poll due to you bringing it up so much. Your making more people aware of the poll everytime you bring it up and are helping his cause the more you talk about it. I told some of my friends to sign the poll as well. Thanks for making me aware of it. If rockstar makes them playable in private lobbies or they don't do anything about it, more and more people will play in public lobbies by themselves. Just toady I explained the mtu method to a couple friends to get solo public lobbies. There is demand for certain outfits to be buyable and rockstar forces people to glitch the game to get outfits they want.

 

Why would I have a petition? I could not care less if it doesn't change, I'm contempt with it how it is, I don't need a petition. I'm not the one attempting to change anything, I'm simply offering suggestions which may help those who do want it changed.

 

I'm glad I'm helping the cause, that's always been the intention. If it gathers more exposure, great. If someone finds a solution that Rockstar wont ignore, perfect. If nothing happens, I wont lose sleep.

 

RE: Outfits - Rockstar also removes those outfits.

[Xiled]

And people find a way to glitch the outfits every update like money glitches. People wouldn't glitch outfits if they were all buyable. I know a lot of people that would pay for the police outfit.

[Guest]

That's true, people find a way to glitch a lot of stuff each update but it's irrelevant here other than glitched solo publics (which is likely the only way forward).

[Akurei_Marquis]

Is solo and Crew only Servers different on PC than on XB1?

 

I keep reading people saying to go do the CEO,MC jobs in solo Server, on XB1 the one and only place that you can do the jobs is in an open world Server.

 

We found work a rounds so it's not as bad now that we have a big crew... But still this petition is still needed, not that R* will ever read any of this... Right now the entire R* developers are working on Red Dead Redemption, and R* Tokyo is currently developing GTA6.... So GTA5 is pretty much a dieing game that will be abandoned soon. R* will not fix a game that soon will be obsolete :'(

[Guest]

You can do VIP work from the interaction menu in an invite only session.

You can't do CEO sales or supply runs in an invite only session.

You can do Biker contracts in an invite only session.

You can't do Biker sell or supply runs in an invite only session.

 

If people are doing CEO/MC jobs in anything but public sessions they are talking about wall contracts, vip challenges, vip work or MC challenges. They are unable to (regardless of system) buy, sell, or steal any supplies/product from any of the FAFF, I/E, Bikers or GR updates in anything other than a public session.

 

With the last quarter being the biggest quarter for Shark Card sales GTA Online is far from dying and Rockstar will milk this for all it's worth with further expensive updates to GTA:O.

 

Is Rockstar Tokyo developing GTA6? To be honest, that Tokyo division must be the top secret/area 51 subsidiary that's no listed as any of their subsidiaries nor any of Take Two's...

[Guest]

 

It wont change unless a proposed change is attractive to Rockstar, this much should be obvious. It's 14 months since the petition, nothing has changed. Three further updates and it keeps the same format. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's selling, it's being played, Rockstar have no NEED to change it so why would they? If you want it changed you must propose a change that is attractive to them otherwise they will continue to ignore the requests, as they have been doing for 14 months. What part of that can you not understand?

Like I said people can still play the game, even if they do not like a part of it. Ifs sellng so well (well the sharkcards are) because the ingame content is freaking expensive. This along with the impatient people who fast track all the research and buy sharkcards to do so leads to the "huge success" that the gunrunning update was.

It does not need to be attractive for rockstar, all thats needed is that enough players need to demand a change and your "hurr durr they wont change it, the petition has failed, stop complaining" does not help on this task.

 

 

A 14 month long failed petition is proof enough that Rockstar don't want that change and really don't give a sh*t about the complaints.

 

Your petition has failed. There is no argument about that. You can stick to your guns all you like but if that's the case it belongs in the bitch and moan.

It has not failed! The day it fails is the day gta online stops getting updated without this feature being added. Some things tske a long time and i know for a fact that more and more people get fed up with the forced public crap every update.

This petition does not belong to bitch and moan. Like I said in the past i know you would like to see it rott in there, so Rockstar wont see the demand for a change and keep your prefered easy kill gameplay.

You wont change my opinion on that topic and if you dont like it that people want to change the current system then there is not much I can do for you.

 

 

Yes there is a minimum speed for GTA Online, it's on Rockstar's support site;

Download speed: 3Mbps

Upload speed (recommended):1Mbps

Upload speed (minimum): .5 Mbps

 

 

You claim to have 0.8mpbs down, which isn't even a third of what is required. In fact it's almost only a quarter of what is required. You cannot complain about the connection issues with the game when your connection is the issue. Your internet is not suitable for online play. You cannot expect it to be suitable.

Thing is i have no problem during normal gameplay (other online games run also with zero problems). No laggs, no nothing. Just the ramdom network errors or sessionsplits that my crewmates from the netherlands (with far better internet) also have. I also never claimed that I have only a 0.8 mbps connection/bamdwith, I said thats my download while downloading updates (you missunderstood me here pal). My taskmanager says something around 5 mbps, it atleast puts a line there.

I know for a fact that my connection is not the issue but rockstars crappy matchmaking. Like I said, I downloaded watchdogs 2 updates and played gta online in a 30 player lobby at the same time with zero problems. The other day i downloaded nothing and got 3 sessionsplits in a row toped with a unknown network error in the end.

 

Your download speed is 800kbps when you download but you never claimed to have a 0.8mbps connection? Sorry but you have, pal. You have clearly stated your internet connection is 800kbps, pal.

 

How do you know, "for a fact"? My connection is fine, yours isn't, we both play the same game, the game therefore cannot be at fault unless I have a magic copy that never gives me issues while in freeroam sessions but you receive unknown network errors etc.

 

The issues you describe are issues with your ISP or your hardware. The P2P setup of GTA isn't the best but it works without issue for a lot of people. I'm not saying it's without issue but the issues are largely caused by players, like yourself, attempting to play an online game with an internet connection or equipment as stable as Trevor on Meth.

 

As for the petition not failing, has it changed anything? The answer to that question is the same answer to "has it succeeded". If it hasn't been a success then it's currently failed.

 

Bury your head in the sand all you like but you wont be getting this playable in invite only sessions.

[Black-Dragon96]

Your download speed is 800kbps when you download but you never claimed to have a 0.8mbps connection? Sorry but you have, pal. You have clearly stated your internet connection is 800kbps, pal.

Just like mister molio you are obviously unable to read.

Yes i said my download while downloading updates is 800kbps (not my complete bandwith). It seems that it is for some reason capped there (no idea why tho). If my complete bandwith would be 800kbps i could not download watchdogs 2 updates at 800kbps and play gta online at the same time (i guess you are able to understand this). My taskmanager puts an orange line at 5mbps so i guess i have up to 5mbps.

 

How do you know, "for a fact"? My connection is fine, yours isn't, we both play the same game, the game therefore cannot be at fault unless I have a magic copy that never gives me issues while in freeroam sessions but you receive unknown network errors etc.

I know it for a fact because i can monitor my system on a second screen. If it wouldnt be fine i would see that. Rockstars matchmaking is very inconsistant, there are people who never had this issue until today.

 

The issues you describe are issues with your ISP or your hardware. The P2P setup of GTA isn't the best but it works without issue for a lot of people. I'm not saying it's without issue but the issues are largely caused by players, like yourself, attempting to play an online game with an internet connection or equipment as stable as Trevor on Meth.

Its definitly not my hardware. Its Rockstars potato P2P system thats crappy like nearly every P2P system on this planet. If the game would run on dedicated servers people with slow connection would not be a problem. And these people are also not at fault because they have the best they can get.

 

As for the petition not failing, has it changed anything? The answer to that question is the same answer to "has it succeeded". If it hasn't been a success then it's currently failed.

 

Bury your head in the sand all you like but you wont be getting this playable in invite only sessions.

Has it changed something? Well i dont know if it has changed something (i cant ask the rockstar devs you know) but its atleast possible that the devs see that some people want it changed and maybe consider a change.

If the devs have atleast seen it, and I think they have, it has (atleast partialy) succeded.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[Big Molio]

Just like mister molio you are obviously unable to read.

If you have a point to make, you can address me directly you know.

 

I can read perfectly well. From where I am sat, the misunderstandings are generally yours.

[Black-Dragon96]

^Will do if I have something to discuss with you. If I missunderstand something (that happens from time to time) I atleast admit it.

[Big Molio]

^Will do if I have something to discuss with you. If I missunderstand something (that happens from time to time) I atleast admit it.

 

I bet you can't ignore this post and instead have to have the last word.

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

 

^Will do if I have something to discuss with you. If I missunderstand something (that happens from time to time) I atleast admit it.

I bet you can't ignore this post and instead have to have the last word.

I bet you can't post anymore clueless, arrogant nonsense, without having to sh*t on others perfectly acceptable, ideologies.

[Big Molio]

I bet you can't post anymore clueless, arrogant nonsense, without having to sh*t on others perfectly acceptable, ideologies.

 

I bet I can.

[Akurei_Marquis]

You can do VIP work from the interaction menu in an invite only session.

You can't do CEO sales or supply runs in an invite only session.

You can do Biker contracts in an invite only session.

You can't do Biker sell or supply runs in an invite only session.

 

If people are doing CEO/MC jobs in anything but public sessions they are talking about wall contracts, vip challenges, vip work or MC challenges. They are unable to (regardless of system) buy, sell, or steal any supplies/product from any of the FAFF, I/E, Bikers or GR updates in anything other than a public session.

 

With the last quarter being the biggest quarter for Shark Card sales GTA Online is far from dying and Rockstar will milk this for all it's worth with further expensive updates to GTA:O.

 

Is Rockstar Tokyo developing GTA6? To be honest, that Tokyo division must be the top secret/area 51 subsidiary that's no listed as any of their subsidiaries nor any of Take Two's...

Thanks for information on jobs...

Yes Rockstar Tokyo is like area 51, a Developer leaked out that they are making GTA6, it got pushed back to 2018-2020 they lost their head Developer manager or something... Right now they have a stunt person doing captures for digital mapping for some of the actions characters will be doing in the game.

 

Right now they are looking to put it on the new XB1X system, and PC for the higher end graphics and better FPS.

 

Not much information is being talked about because it's still under development... We hope they will be getting away from the P2P and making it to be a more MMO style of open world.

 

Guess we will have to wait until the next Developer slip up and talk about it lol.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

 

 

You want to have your cake and to eat it.

That is the point of a cake, yes.

 

 

Sorry, could not resist.

 

That being said, i do understand the meaning of the saying, but it honestly makes not much sense to me indeed

[Big Molio]

Sorry, could not resist.

 

That being said, i do understand the meaning of the saying, but it honestly makes not much sense to me indeed

 

 

I imagine that every country has its own list of native sayings that are equally perplexing to foreigners.