GTA Online Petition: Allow players to play Finance & Felony in an

June 26, 2016

Not very smart are you? It was claimed that NPC's cannot be challenging or threatening, my argument is the fact that people are resorting to using things like Armored Kuramas because of how difficult they can be. If they were not difficult people would not feel the need to retreat to their garages to get their armored Kuramas in the first place.

Go start another thread if you need to discuss the level of difficulty of the game's AI opponents. The difficulty level of anything is purely subjective and shouldn't enter into the issue of allowing people to play free from cheaters or with their friends only.

I think I figured that out lol. Like i said that doesn't sound very challenging where is the risk reward factor of doing CEo work basically uninterrupted? Where is the challenge of not having to worry about your crates blowing up? You're crazy if you think Rockstar would make the change as it pretty much removes the risk and like I said earlier doing collections in an empty lobby pretty much becomes missions without the challenge of having limited lives.

I understand you want to avoid cheaters on pc but the things they would have to do to bring back the risk reward factor into a solo/private session would probably put off any CEO that even suggested it. It would be a serious monkey paw situation if there was even a slight chance of it happening.

Why do you care? Where is the "risk" in any other game mode (and for the same or better rewards) that can be done alone or with friends? How would allowing people to do this in invite-only sessions hurt you? Why must this have a "risk reward" factor at all?

What every single argument against allowing this has boiled down to is either people just using this issue to brag about how great they are or being worried that they'll lose the opportunity to troll and grief less competent or competitive other players.

June 26, 2016

I dunno, If you're doing these in INV only they should get ai's to go after you. Make them actually difficult? A savage or two? Buzzards perhaps?

June 27, 2016

bumping this so one a$$ clown can see that this discussion has already happened.

June 27, 2016

No one should be able to call for a hydra or savage (via pegasus or assistant) while a vip or ceo activity is active. Against other vehicles you at least have a decent chance because they're slower or grounded and don't have skillless insta-splode-you rounds.

Edited June 27, 2016 by MajorVienna

June 27, 2016

Why can’t we do Buy/Sell missions in a private session?

Succeeding as a CEO requires navigating the risks and rewards of the ruthless Los Santos free market – where everyone is out to snipe at your latest venture – so Buy and Sell missions were designed specifically for trade in public sessions. Keep in mind that more players in your session means a bigger bonus for successful sale of Special Cargo, while Associates receive wage increases for completing consecutive Buy or Sell missions with the same CEO. If you're concerned other players are hanging about your Warehouse or Office – pick the right time to sell, make sure you have Associates and get them to clear out players who are stalking you or waiting for you to execute a deal. Taking your team off the grid with the Ghost Organization ability and exiting via the rooftop helipad where possible are also solid strategies.

https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/news/article/52630/further-adventures-in-finance-and-felony-how-to-become-a

June 27, 2016

I think I figured that out lol. Like i said that doesn't sound very challenging where is the risk reward factor of doing CEo work basically uninterrupted? Where is the challenge of not having to worry about your crates blowing up? You're crazy if you think Rockstar would make the change as it pretty much removes the risk and like I said earlier doing collections in an empty lobby pretty much becomes missions without the challenge of having limited lives.

I understand you want to avoid cheaters on pc but the things they would have to do to bring back the risk reward factor into a solo/private session would probably put off any CEO that even suggested it. It would be a serious monkey paw situation if there was even a slight chance of it happening.

Why do you care? Where is the "risk" in any other game mode (and for the same or better rewards) that can be done alone or with friends? How would allowing people to do this in invite-only sessions hurt you? Why must this have a "risk reward" factor at all?

What every single argument against allowing this has boiled down to is either people just using this issue to brag about how great they are or being worried that they'll lose the opportunity to troll and grief less competent or competitive other players.

Why don't Rockstar just make a game mode called give me money if challenge shouldn't be a factor? It's not about whether I care or not I'm just telling you realistically why it won't happen. From the size of this thread alone it is clearly a decent money making opportunity. So why would rockstar who lets not forget profits solely from shark cards for the online willingly remove the only challenge present from CEO work?

You're right that there are more profitable ways to earn money but whether you find something like a heist hard or not you can see clearly see what obstacles players have to overcome to earn money such as finding the right team mates, having limited lives aswell as any other requirements needed for that specific setup or heist. With CEO work the only real obstacle you have is other players so why would they eliminate that obstacle which shark card profits aside would also go against the clear intention of adding activities that make free roam sessions dynamic and filled with things to do as you can bet the majority of CEOs would stay in private sessions as profit wise it would be a no brainer.

Like you said players can use other more profitable ways of money making instead. Go and do those instead as you clearly aren't doing CEO work for the challenge/fun of it.

@Mute!

Straight from the horses mouth good find

Edited June 27, 2016 by Gregers08

June 27, 2016

No one should be able to call for a hydra or savage (via pegasus or assistant) while a vip or ceo activity is active. Against other vehicles you at least have a decent chance because they're slower or grounded and don't have skillless insta-splode-you rounds.

Agreed.... on the jet. And don't let jets spawn at the Fort either.

Only jets are the problem. A Savage can easily be taken care of.

June 27, 2016

Why can’t we do Buy/Sell missions in a private session?

Succeeding as a CEO requires navigating the risks and rewards of the ruthless Los Santos free market – where everyone is out to snipe at your latest venture – so Buy and Sell missions were designed specifically for trade in public sessions. Keep in mind that more players in your session means a bigger bonus for successful sale of Special Cargo, while Associates receive wage increases for completing consecutive Buy or Sell missions with the same CEO. If you're concerned other players are hanging about your Warehouse or Office – pick the right time to sell, make sure you have Associates and get them to clear out players who are stalking you or waiting for you to execute a deal. Taking your team off the grid with the Ghost Organization ability and exiting via the rooftop helipad where possible are also solid strategies.

https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/news/article/52630/further-adventures-in-finance-and-felony-how-to-become-a

This was my response to that garbage!

"Why cant we do Buy/Sell missions in a private session?"

And with your answer to this question Rockstar - I THANK YOU - From the bottom of my heart!

Thank You! For clarifying that this game and franchise are no longer the open sandbox to be enjoyed as we want to enjoy it but instead the usual "You'll play as we want you to play!" spiel that other game developers embody.

Thank You! For making clear you are slanting toward the PVP crowd and that this game will be soon re-branded as Call of Duty: Grand Theft Auto Battlefield Modern Warfare.

Thank You! For re-invigorating my zeal to grind out the heists when I had gotten so bored of them up until this update. As the source of real legit income - I have trained myself again to believe that moneymaking without hindrance by griefers trolls hackers and modders is NEVER boring and to keep pumping up my liquidity so that I will not EVER have to spend dollar 1 on any shark cards.

Thank You! For giving me the clarity to never get hyped up about any other future update and to first do my research before spending millions of my hard earned GTA dollars on prepping for a game mode I will barely ever play moving forward if left as is. Likewise with my real money before Grand Theft Auto 6 - whenever it finally drops.

So - I will continue playing as I always have - and doing these CEO work as I have been but never really selling anything but keeping it as expensive decoration. At least until Private sessions are completely removed and trolls and griefers will be allowed to break into private heists/missions and given the ability to stunt progress there.

I do have a few follow-up questions that could be legit added to this FAQ as Im sure Im not the first to ask it:

"What strategy do you suggest is best to deal with cheaters (glitchers, wall breachers, modders, hackers) out to do destroy our cargo that you have let run amok in public sessions for almost 3 years?"

Can we do the same or employ these types of people to counteract something like someone using the Creator Mode glitch to trap us and make the cargo inaccessible?

If we provide proof our mission was messed up by a cheater do we have a chance to re-do it - without hassle or weeks of delay and back and forth?

Again - Thank You Rockstar! This update could have given everyone what they wanted - but instead - its given us so much more!

Thank You!

June 28, 2016

Glad to see R* comment on the CEO events so that everyone can get the hint.

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

If collecting crates and inventory is your thing, maybe you should look into the game called "American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator 2". You can collect inventory and travel peacefully anytime you want. Check it out.

Just sayin'..

June 28, 2016

Glad to see R* comment on the CEO events so that everyone can get the hint.

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

If collecting crates and inventory is your thing, maybe you should look into the game called "American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator 2". You can collect inventory and travel peacefully anytime you want. Check it out.

Just sayin'..

Well Rockstar has said it so haven't they?

Maybe you're right - we should just accept it.

OK - everybody just fold up your tents and go home - shut down this thread. Fights over. We lost. The Authority has spoken!

You think some bullsh*t FAQ post on their censored website is gonna stop people who are really behind this from still flooding [email protected]

You think people wont be "privatizing" public sessions by using lag switches - pulling internet wires and vote kicking people who might be potential griefers/trolls? Pulling out all the stops necessary to have that sandbox experience they paid for.

Nothing stops! You got that? NOTHING!

Edited June 28, 2016 by trieper47

June 28, 2016

Glad to see R* comment on the CEO events so that everyone can get the hint.

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

If collecting crates and inventory is your thing, maybe you should look into the game called "American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator 2". You can collect inventory and travel peacefully anytime you want. Check it out.

Just sayin'..

I just can't believe it took Rockstar to say it themselves for people to get it. I can't get over the guy at the top of the page that really typed "why should there be a risk reward factor?". It really is the age of instant gratification.

Edited June 28, 2016 by Gregers08

June 28, 2016

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

Thing is, Ghost Organization costs, what, $12k? How much are you making then?

Let's say you've paid $18k to get three crates, plus $12k for GO, then you're down $30k just to make $36. It's not even worth bothering with at that point.

If collecting crates and inventory is your thing, maybe you should look into the game called "American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator 2". You can collect inventory and travel peacefully anytime you want. Check it out.

Didn't they advertise this update as being about collecting crates and inventory though?

At the end of the day, I think the game is far too imbalanced for what they're trying to pull off. It just doesn't work at all in public sessions (as in full session; not empty ones).

June 28, 2016

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

Thing is, Ghost Organization costs, what, $12k? How much are you making then?

Let's say you've paid $18k to get three crates, plus $12k for GO, then you're down $30k just to make $36. It's not even worth bothering with at that point.

If collecting crates and inventory is your thing, maybe you should look into the game called "American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator 2". You can collect inventory and travel peacefully anytime you want. Check it out.

Didn't they advertise this update as being about collecting crates and inventory though?

At the end of the day, I think the game is far too imbalanced for what they're trying to pull off. It just doesn't work at all in public sessions (as in full session; not empty ones).

f*cking this. You know what a good competitive game has? Balance. You know what GTA has? Money grubbing f*cks calling the shots. Balance freemode, and then anyone who says "go play not gta" might have a point. Until then, f*ck off.

June 28, 2016

Glad to see R* comment on the CEO events so that everyone can get the hint.

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

If collecting crates and inventory is your thing, maybe you should look into the game called "American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator 2". You can collect inventory and travel peacefully anytime you want. Check it out.

Just sayin'..

I just can't believe it took Rockstar to say it themselves for people to get it. I can't get over the guy at the top of the page that really typed "why should there be a risk reward factor?". It really is the age of instant gratification.

OMG - are you seriously f*cking kidding right now. Instant gratification? Really? Its still hours of work building up stock even if unopposed by other players.

Nobody here is saying they don't want a challenge (except maybe that guy). Nobody here is suggesting they just allow these in private without also suggesting that the NPC difficulty gets amped up or some kind of tradeoff like that.

If you've done Asset Recovery VIP work you'll notice the 5star cops are beasts compared to the ones in normal freemode and drain all armor and health in a single burst - and who shoot sticky bombs out of your hand if you dare use them - thus costing you the car you're supposed to deliver.

If you've done Lamar Lowrider missions - same type of thing with aimbot NPC precision. Heists too except the heavy utility armor is a counterbalance to that which can only be used there.

Hell - I've created difficult captures with NPCs accuracy set to Expert and unlimited spawning and can't get through without being cut down at least a few times by an AI.

The point of all that above is - they're capable of programming difficult AI for a challenge to PVE folk - they're just too lazy to do so and can't be bothered and create "challenge" by making this PVP oriented. Lets be honest - the buy missions are basically glorified capture missions anyone can create - grab package at point a and deliver it to point B. Ok - theres some twists at times that require you to go to point C and D then deliver to B but nothing that requires complex programming and development.

Its the cop-out nature of these - development and programming-wise - that grinds my gears and many others.

But I digress....

The main thing most have said here though is they want the option to do it in Private - free from cheaters which unfortunately are rife and burgeoning in public lobbies. If there were few instances of that over the last 3 years - maybe you people would have a point - MAYBE.

But as it stands right now - the PVE community who don't want to be bothered with pointless PVP wars and dealing with cheaters - modders and hackers and unresponsive Rockstar support in this manner - will not just let it go! They will employ their own solutions to enjoy the content as they want - or abstain from it and the game overall.

And again - this is a sandbox style game - at least that's what we thought we bought. If anything today's post made clear - is that Rockstar is going along the lines of any developer now with the "Play it as we want you to play it!" attitude. All while offering no solution or progress on resolving the problem of cheaters who are just out to grief.

We paid for a sandbox to enjoy as we see fit - we're not getting that with this. That's at least why Im here in support! I just want choice back - not more restrictions!

June 28, 2016

This is how it is intended boys! Just how I said in the other thread, leave it how it is, increase the associate payouts, learn to use Ghost Organization.

Thing is, Ghost Organization costs, what, $12k? How much are you making then?

Let's say you've paid $18k to get three crates, plus $12k for GO, then you're down $30k just to make $36. It's not even worth bothering with at that point.

You don't obviously need Ghost organisation for every collection/drop off. If anything Lester is for collections (when you time it right) and Ghost is for deliveries, it's supposed to be used in situations where big money is on the line.

@trieper

While there are some people who've made a legitimate reason for wanting it because of the cheaters on PC, allot of the other people blatantly want the change so they grind in the most time efficient way possible not having to worry about other players diverting their route or god forbid having to lose some crates.

I appreciate that may not apply to you because you're at least suggesting a solution to keep the risk, but even with enhanced AI I think it would be almost impossible to fail a collection. At the most challenging you would have to keep your head down while driving the slow van, maybe die a few times but ultimately make the trip back to the warehouse. At the least (which you know the majority of CEO's would go for when they'd get the option to use PV's for a collection) would pretty much be fly to collection point pick up crate and fly back repeat, unless they threw in some enemy aircrafts which even then is easily bypassed if you have a buzzard or hydra. Even if the Ai does kill you a few times you have unlimited lives in free roam and that's the main flaw of relying on AI to keep CEO work challenging, well that and NPC's can't blow up crates

Edited June 28, 2016 by Gregers08

June 28, 2016

CEO, even solo, is a money drain and waste of time, it's new and fun, non the less.

I'll do CEO jobs once a week, where for the rest of the week I'll do the same old grinding methods.

June 28, 2016

You don't obviously need Ghost organisation for every collection/drop off. If anything Lester is for collections (when you time it right) and Ghost is for deliveries, it's supposed to be used in situations where big money is on the line.

Don't you?

If there's a jet on your case, then you could have half an hour of Ghost Organisation and it still wouldn't be enough.

It's all relative to what's in the session. And if there's a jet, you'll need it constantly.

June 28, 2016

You don't obviously need Ghost organisation for every collection/drop off. If anything Lester is for collections (when you time it right) and Ghost is for deliveries, it's supposed to be used in situations where big money is on the line.

Don't you?

If there's a jet on your case, then you could have half an hour of Ghost Organisation and it still wouldn't be enough.

It's all relative to what's in the session. And if there's a jet, you'll need it constantly.

If you have a jet following you for half an hour maybe it's time to change sessions

June 28, 2016

If you have a jet following you for half an hour maybe it's time to change sessions

Oh, so you admit your only option is to switch sessions then?

Let's say there's a jet after you in the next one, and the one after that. Just stop playing the game? Because that's the realms we're moving to now.

The onus is on Rockstar to balance the game around this new content properly, or - failing that - to allow us to play it privately. It's not on us to spend hours searching for a session that doesn't have jets.

June 28, 2016

Gonna Post what I wrote in another thread here too

Heres the thing I don't get: Are people STILL being hounded forcrates? I've actually had no issues really since we've gone onto week 2 of this update. Find a lobby that isn't filled with 20 orso people (takes a minute or so), and you should be fine.

Maybe leaving the cesspool of Auto Aim might help (I play nothing but Free-Aim so I'm unsure if that matters), but 99% of the time, it's just Organizations keeping to themselves and getting sh*t done.

At first I did think "yeah switch this to Private-playability kthnx" but now? Nah, I get why Rockstar didn't and honestly, as I said, I've experienced FAR less assholes these days. Hell, I'm richer now than before the update itself. Be smart with people you know, feel the lobbies out, and you'll be fine.

Edited June 28, 2016 by CrissRiot

June 28, 2016

Why cant we do Buy/Sell missions in a private session?

Succeeding as a CEO requires navigating the risks and rewards of the ruthless Los Santos free market where everyone is out to snipe at your latest venture so Buy and Sell missions were designed specifically for trade in public sessions. Keep in mind that more players in your session means a bigger bonus for successful sale of Special Cargo, while Associates receive wage increases for completing consecutive Buy or Sell missions with the same CEO. If you're concerned other players are hanging about your Warehouse or Office pick the right time to sell, make sure you have Associates and get them to clear out players who are stalking you or waiting for you to execute a deal. Taking your team off the grid with the Ghost Organization ability and exiting via the rooftop helipad where possible are also solid strategies.

https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/news/article/52630/further-adventures-in-finance-and-felony-how-to-become-a