jets ruin all this new vip stuff

[Pedinhuh]

How do a CEO and his associates, transporting crates on a tug, counter a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

They don't, but you try explaining that to some people here, it is a waste of time.

 

This already ran it's course, nobody is convincing nobody of anything here.

[Ruin]

 

How do a CEO and his associates, transporting crates on a tug, counter a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

They don't

How about you have 2 people inside the cargo vehicle (one operate the vehicle, one operates the aircraft jammer), one in a jet, and the last guy/gal in an armored vehicle to cover every left-over angle?

Seriously it's not hard to counter a griefer. My CEO has been making over 3 million. All you need are friends.

 

...you need friends...

 

...need friends...

 

...friends...

 

oh.

[Razgriz67]

How do a CEO and his associates, transporting crates on a tug, counter a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

 

Personally this is where 2 associates come in handy. both on a separate boat one as a driver and one standing ready to attack.

 

And if similar to the Cuban when upgraded the tug might survive the first attack

[Hunter]

-snip-

 

 

The key word was "Tug", I think.

 

Getting a jet is out of the question for anyone who's not interested in that, or if jets just don't make their clock go round.

[Razgriz67]

 

 

How do a CEO and his associates, transporting crates on a tug, counter a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

They don't

How about you have 2 people inside the cargo vehicle (one operate the vehicle, one operates the aircraft jammer), one in a jet, and the last guy/gal in an armored vehicle to cover every left-over angle?

Seriously it's not hard to counter a griefer. My CEO has been making over 3 million. All you need are friends.

 

...you need friends...

 

...need friends...

 

...friends...

 

oh.

 

 

 

There are no armored vehicles out at sea

[MrGrandis]

 

 

wasnt staged. hell this actuall happened weeks ago.

 

and a good portion of what I say doesnt get countered. Though many people have said "doesnt work for me so it doesnt count"

The problem is that things like that grenade launcher kill don't matter for the purposes of this conversation. At all. It's a gimmick kill. What percentage of the time will it work against a jet? What percentage of total jet deaths are from a grenade launcher?

 

Black swans are not a valid support point.

 

 

 

Well the problem is that most people online wont consider using anything but another jet or a homing Launcher to take out a jet. and the former being the only truely effective one of the two,

 

But compared to the homing (and the gems that decide to use the mingun) RPGs and Grenade Launcher are actually quite effective if you actually bothered to get your timing down and are a lot more economical

 

Can you teach us how to defend from a dive bombing lazer/hydra?

[Razgriz67]

Can you teach us how to defend from a dive bombing lazer/hydra?

 

Don't see why would need my help specifically. but i cant. I dont have the time.

 

Look all you need is a friend to practice/pretend to dive bomb on say a house out in Sandy Shores. And if I had to guess aim a few degrees above what you think his lowest point is gonna be and fire before he pulls up and just adjust from there

[BitBasher]

How about you have 2 people inside the cargo vehicle (one operate the vehicle, one operates the aircraft jammer), one in a jet, and the last guy/gal in an armored vehicle to cover every left-over angle?

Seriously it's not hard to counter a griefer. My CEO has been making over 3 million. All you need are friends.

 

...you need friends...

 

...need friends...

 

...friends...

 

oh.

So you feel it's good game balance that the answer is "outnumber them 4 to 1"?

[Misanthrope Z]

how in f*ck's name do you get blown out of a jet by a grenade launcher

[Hunter]

Don't see why would need my help specifically. but i cant. I dont have the time.

 

 

Look all you need is a friend to practice/pretend to dive bomb on say a house out in Sandy Shores. And if I had to guess aim a few degrees above what you think his lowest point is gonna be and fire before he pulls up and just adjust from there

 

Well if it's done properly, you'll never see any point of where the jet will pass. It will go right over your head, and you'll never see it coming.

 

People need to stop trying to sell clearly botched attacks as dive bombs. They're not.

[Razgriz67]

 

Don't see why would need my help specifically. but i cant. I dont have the time.

 

 

Look all you need is a friend to practice/pretend to dive bomb on say a house out in Sandy Shores. And if I had to guess aim a few degrees above what you think his lowest point is gonna be and fire before he pulls up and just adjust from there

 

Well if it's done properly, you'll never see any point of where the jet will pass. It will go right over your head, and you'll never see it coming.

 

People need to stop trying to sell clearly botched attacks as dive bombs. They're not.

 

 

I agree. but similar to my previous post where I agreed with you. This tip is mainly meant if your have an friend playing with you. both of you paying attention to the map and a safe distance from one another.

 

Obviously this wont work if they are huddled together or if there is only 1 person.

[Gray-Hand]

 

 

How do a CEO and his associates, transporting crates on a tug, counter a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

They don't

How about you have 2 people inside the cargo vehicle (one operate the vehicle, one operates the aircraft jammer), one in a jet, and the last guy/gal in an armored vehicle to cover every left-over angle?

Seriously it's not hard to counter a griefer. My CEO has been making over 3 million. All you need are friends.

 

...you need friends...

 

...need friends...

 

...friends...

 

oh.

Tugs don't have radar jammers. And radar jammers don't stop jet cannons anyway.

 

Seriously - what is the counter to a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

 

Aassociates in the tug can't aim directly up at the enemy jet, and an associate in a jet won't have the time to lock onto an enemy jet coming out of passive mode before the tug is destroyed.

 

What is the counter?

[Razgriz67]

how in f*ck's name do you get blown out of a jet by a grenade launcher

 

there is no alarm warning like the homing. there is no fire or smoke like with homing or RPG. the Grenade Launcher is completely undetectable to the pilot.

 

This is also a good time for me to note that the Grenade Launcher (from my experience) is best used while hes coming down. and the RPG might be best used right before he pulls up

Tugs don't have radar jammers. And radar jammers don't stop jet cannons anyway.

 

Seriously - what is the counter to a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

 

Aassociates in the tug can't aim directly up at the enemy jet, and an associate in a jet won't have the time to lock onto an enemy jet coming out of passive mode before the tug is destroyed.

 

What is the counter?

 

 

missiles are useless againsts jets, your safest bet (if your associate is in a jet) is for them to just constant fire their cannons at the passive jet as he comes down

 

Or have 2 associates on a seperate boat one ready with an RPG

Edited June 14, 2016 by razgriz67

[Misanthrope Z]

 

how in f*ck's name do you get blown out of a jet by a grenade launcher

 

there is no alarm warning like the homing. there is no fire or smoke like with homing or RPG. the Grenade Launcher is completely undetectable to the pilot.

 

This is also a good time for me to note that the Grenade Launcher (from my experience) is best used while hes coming down. and the RPG might be best used right before he pulls up

well okay then

[Gray-Hand]

 

how in f*ck's name do you get blown out of a jet by a grenade launcher

there is no alarm warning like the homing. there is no fire or smoke like with homing or RPG. the Grenade Launcher is completely undetectable to the pilot.

 

This is also a good time for me to note that the Grenade Launcher (from my experience) is best used while hes coming down. and the RPG might be best used right before he pulls up

Tugs don't have radar jammers. And radar jammers don't stop jet cannons anyway.

 

Seriously - what is the counter to a dive bombing jet coming out of passive mode?

 

Aassociates in the tug can't aim directly up at the enemy jet, and an associate in a jet won't have the time to lock onto an enemy jet coming out of passive mode before the tug is destroyed.

 

What is the counter?

 

missiles are useless againsts jets, your safest bet (if your associate is in a jet) is for them to just constant fire their cannons at the passive jet as he comes down

 

Or have 2 associates on a seperate boat one ready with an RPG

That first one isn't a safe bet at all, since it involves blasting jet cannons through a ghosted target in the direction of the tug.

 

The second option requires associates on a moving platform to make a perfectly aimed, perfectly timed shot at a target moving fast at a perpendicular angle. The chances of it coming off would have to be at least 50 to 1.

 

Even in the extremely unlikely event that any of the associates could make those shots, they still don't stop the body of the blown up jet from crashing onto the tug.

[.Vooodu.]

The anti jet suggestions are the worse things i ever read.

 

20 second cooldowns for cannons? 10 min cooldowns for another one?

 

I mean jesus you babies are hilarious. Moving a 2.2 mil shipment? Good for you when you die because R* knows how to make it hard.

 

You think it will be that simple? Good job for R not allowing OTR to hide shipment. I love blasting folks with the jet.

 

All the juicy salt in here. Cry more, cry more hahaha.

 

Im a crew that mostly out numbers everyone in public sessions.. And usually has 3-5 jets pilots slaughtering anyone that gets near us.

 

Id like to see some action.... too. Ya know.

 

Crying? R* knows how to make it hard? lmao.

 

Im f*cking bored to death and want some real action. Which would be nice to see sometimes if everyone wasn't so hell bent on using jets all the time. Im doing these ceo missions half a sleep.

[Razgriz67]

That first one isn't a safe bet at all, since it involves blasting jet cannons through a ghosted target in the direction of the tug.

 

The second option requires associates on a moving platform to make a perfectly aimed, perfectly timed shot at a target moving fast at a perpendicular angle. The chances of it coming off would have to be at least 50 to 1.

 

Even in the extremely unlikely event that any of the associates could make those shots, they still don't stop the body of the blown up jet from crashing onto the tug.

 

 

Well for the first your envisioning your associate chasing the target, I envisioned him off to the side hovering shooting so no harm to the tug aside from the carouse as you mentioned.

 

for the second IIRC you rock up and down more so then you do left to right and again your hoping that the tug survives the first attack and to hit the plane as it turns up which should result in the carouse to not hit the tug

[BitBasher]

 

That first one isn't a safe bet at all, since it involves blasting jet cannons through a ghosted target in the direction of the tug.

 

The second option requires associates on a moving platform to make a perfectly aimed, perfectly timed shot at a target moving fast at a perpendicular angle. The chances of it coming off would have to be at least 50 to 1.

 

Even in the extremely unlikely event that any of the associates could make those shots, they still don't stop the body of the blown up jet from crashing onto the tug.

Well for the first your envisioning your associate chasing the target, I envisioned him off to the side hovering shooting so no harm to the tug aside from the carouse as you mentioned.

 

for the second IIRC you rock up and down more so then you do left to right and again your hoping that the tug survives the first attack and to hit the plane as it turns up which should result in the carouse to not hit the tug

 

The problem is that it doesn't matter if the jet dies. If he locks and fires 2 missiles they won't ever miss, or strafes just a few bullets into the tug and jet wins regardless.

 

You aren't going to kill the jet before he can kill the tug.

[Razgriz67]

Well. this is one of the few times where I am talking out my a**. Does anyone know what warehouse/number of crates one needs to have increased odds of having the tug so that I can do a few tests for myself

[Broblab]

suggestion:

 

normal bullets on jets would alleviate all known issues that make the jet overpowered.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Broblab

[Gray-Hand]

@razgriz67

I don't think it makes a difference. I've done about 6 sales and had the tug twice. I've never delivered more than 16 crates in one go.

 

I think that once you have tried it you will see just how vulnerable the tug is to a jet. It's just so damn slow.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Gray-Hand

[Mordo_]

 

Can you teach us how to defend from a dive bombing lazer/hydra?

 

Don't see why would need my help specifically. but i cant. I dont have the time.

 

Look all you need is a friend to practice/pretend to dive bomb on say a house out in Sandy Shores. And if I had to guess aim a few degrees above what you think his lowest point is gonna be and fire before he pulls up and just adjust from there

You don't have the time? Is that really the reason you can't? Or because there is no f*cking counter.

 

Funny how when they are asked a simple question they either flat out ignore or make some bullsh*t excuse (as shown) And hilariously he makes more posts after that one even though he's so scarce on time. Gtfo with your nonsense already.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Mordo_

[Razgriz67]

@razgriz67

I don't think it makes a difference. I've done about 6 sales and had the tug twice. I've never delivered more than 16 crates in one go.

 

I think that once you have tried it you will see just how vulnerable the tug is to a jet. It's just so damn slow.

 

This is why i wonna see for myself. Also makes a diff if you have it upgraded (which i do)

 

 

 

Can you teach us how to defend from a dive bombing lazer/hydra?

Don't see why would need my help specifically. but i cant. I dont have the time.

 

Look all you need is a friend to practice/pretend to dive bomb on say a house out in Sandy Shores. And if I had to guess aim a few degrees above what you think his lowest point is gonna be and fire before he pulls up and just adjust from there

You don't have the time? Is that really the reason you can't? Or because there is no f*cking counter.

 

Funny how when they are asked a simple question they either flat out ignore or make some bullsh*t excuse (as shown) And hilariously he makes more posts after that one even though he's so scarce on time. Gtfo with your nonsense already.

 

 

I work from 2 PM to 1-2 AM Monday-sat if I set an alarm I can wake up at 9 am otherwise I wont till 10 or 11 and I would rather relax and watch TV/Youtube in those few hours then try to teach. would you like a pic of my hours worked if you think its still BS? or do you want me to dedicate my Sunday to you?

 

Oh and before someone asks I am using a computer at work to check the forums

Edited June 14, 2016 by razgriz67

[Mordo_]

 

@razgriz67

I don't think it makes a difference. I've done about 6 sales and had the tug twice. I've never delivered more than 16 crates in one go.

I think that once you have tried it you will see just how vulnerable the tug is to a jet. It's just so damn slow.

 

This is why i wonna see for myself. Also makes a diff if you have it upgraded (which i do)

 

 

 

Can you teach us how to defend from a dive bombing lazer/hydra?

 

Don't see why would need my help specifically. but i cant. I dont have the time.

 

Look all you need is a friend to practice/pretend to dive bomb on say a house out in Sandy Shores. And if I had to guess aim a few degrees above what you think his lowest point is gonna be and fire before he pulls up and just adjust from there

You don't have the time? Is that really the reason you can't? Or because there is no f*cking counter.

Funny how when they are asked a simple question they either flat out ignore or make some bullsh*t excuse (as shown) And hilariously he makes more posts after that one even though he's so scarce on time. Gtfo with your nonsense already.

 

I work from 2 PM to 1-2 AM if I set an alarm I can wake up at 9 am otherwise I wont till 10 or 11 and I would rather relax and watch TV/Youtube in those few hours then try to teach. would you like a pic of my hours worked if you think its still BS?

Youre acting as if answering a simple question is actual teaching. You probably wrote more in that post than you probably would answering the damn question. He didn't mean literally teach him. He just wants you to answer that question.

[Razgriz67]

 

Youre acting as if answering a simple question is actual teaching. You probably wrote more in that post than you probably would answering the damn question. He didn't mean literally teach him. He just wants you to answer that question.

 

 

So i answered his question but my "how to practice your timing" description is not teaching and then i also apparently didnt answer the question. Well your logic seems sound i raise the white flag.

 

also like how you didnt come back at me for my hours

Edited June 14, 2016 by razgriz67

[Mordo_]

 

Youre acting as if answering a simple question is actual teaching. You probably wrote more in that post than you probably would answering the damn question. He didn't mean literally teach him. He just wants you to answer that question.

 

So i answered his question but my "how to practice your timing" description is not teaching and then i also apparently didnt answer the question. Well your logic seems sound i raise the white flag.

 

also like how you didnt come back at me for my hours

I don't care about your hours. Typing up short responses takes minimal effort or, based on your responses, no effort at all lol. So they're irrelevant.

 

Also find it hilarious how when your "counter" got absolutely torn apart with how flawed it is you changed the subject, lmfao.

[Mordo_]

Another thing worth mentioning is that your "counter" that you brought up earlier not only doesn't work, but it requires another jet. It has been stated many times that if the jet's only counter is itself that means it is not balanced.

[Superman1233]

Another thing worth mentioning is that your "counter" that you brought up earlier not only doesn't work, but it requires another jet. It has been stated many times that if the jet's only counter is itself that means it is not balanced.

Using a gun to counter a gun is the same concept.

 

Cry more. I just made 3 CEO groups rage quit and didn't die not once even with them having a bodyguard jet.

 

Its skill what wins. 90%of yall here lack that

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

Its skill what wins. 90%of yall here lack that

it doesn't take much skill to destroy a slow truck using a military jet with explosive minigun. you will be the first to cry if rockstar ever adds the railgun into online. all jet defenders here lack one thing, it's common sense. and probably a job, too. Edited June 14, 2016 by oleg_aka_djmeg

[Razgriz67]

You guys ready for this?

 

 

I don't care about your hours. Typing up short responses takes minimal effort or, based on your responses, no effort at all lol. So they're irrelevant.

Also find it hilarious how when your "counter" got absolutely torn apart with how flawed it is you changed the subject, lmfao.

 

You apparently cared enough about my hours to bring them to question rather then my statement (which means you changed the subject first)

http://gtaforums.com/topic/857126-jets-ruin-all-this-new-vip-stuff/?p=1068857364

 

 

Another thing worth mentioning is that your "counter" that you brought up earlier not only doesn't work, but it requires another jet. It has been stated many times that if the jet's only counter is itself that means it is not balanced.

 

and your wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, Ruin was the one to bring up a jet

http://gtaforums.com/topic/857126-jets-ruin-all-this-new-vip-stuff/?p=1068856955

 

And then I also improved on Gray-Hands method

http://gtaforums.com/topic/857126-jets-ruin-all-this-new-vip-stuff/?p=1068857119

 

oh speaking of improving on ideas remember my how to on your timing? course you do

 

well when it comes to getting timing down for dive bombers do you have a better method on it then mine? no? didnt think so otherwise you would/should of brought it up

 

back on topic my original idea was to use 2 associates on a seperate boats

http://gtaforums.com/topic/857126-jets-ruin-all-this-new-vip-stuff/?p=1068856969

 

 

So tell me again how am i torn apart?