jets ruin all this new vip stuff

[Azarael]

 

As much as I love the A-10 (I used to have a little model of it when I was younger), are you sure you'd prefer to promote the A-10 rather than keeping helicopters in the ground-attack role?

I think there'd be room for both, just as long as they were careful with the A-10.

 

Oh, and add drastically buffing helicopters somehow to my manifesto lol. Maybe even a Rustler too, or a Cuban 800 bomber.

 

Just so long as these vehicles can't simply dive bomb everyone, and don't always have the final say on who else can fly, well then I think they'd be welcome.

 

 

 

I have no problem with trying that. As long as we get a good, proper counter system going, it's fine with me. Helis and ground-attack planes are effective against ground. Jets are effective against helis and ground-attack planes. Ground AFVs with autocannons are effective against jets. Then the military setup is balanced with defined counters.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Azarael

[Hunter]

I have no problem with trying that. As long as we get a good, proper counter system going, it's fine with me. Helis and ground-attack planes are effective against ground. Jets are effective against helis and ground-attack planes. Ground AFVs with autocannons are effective against jets. Then the military setup is balanced with defined counters.

Well I'm thinking an A-10 (done really nice, like I described) could keep jet pilots happy, while being somewhat balanced (unlike the jets we have now).

[_PANiC_]

 

I am good in a Buzzard and except that I am vulnerable when in one and will get destroyed a lot. I have however taken down plenty of Jets and Savages in it! always a very satisfying feat.

If you can fly a helicopter, then you're more than good enough to fly a jet. Which means jets just aren't for you. No shame in that at all.

 

Anyway, all this arguing's going nowhere, so here's something I propose:

 

• The current jets are nerfed. Their purpose is now for aerial fighting, and sending lock on missiles to vehicles.

 

• An A-10 is added. It has an explosive cannon that can be aimed by moving the camera.

 

• It's fast, but not as maneuverable as a Lazer/Hydra. It can't really dive bomb or dodge missiles, but would have a jammer.

 

• This means there's a jet that's a severe threat if used right (using low flying, strategic use of the jammer, and fast aiming), but it can't simply dive bomb everyone, and isn't king of the skies.

 

Just an idea anyway. This thread's headed nowhere, so just spilling my thoughts.

 

Adding an anti aircraft gun of some kind to one of the Brikades, and added armour for them, seems like a reasonable idea. However people such as the OP will still find a way to moan about overpowered items.

 

Im actually not really into any of the Military items and would be happy if they where all removed completely.

[Superman1233]

 

 

 

All im seeing is cry babies in here and Azareal is the biggest one.

 

The game gave us many counters to jets. The problem is players like the ones in here posses a lack of skill.

 

Getting a jet to counter a jet is imbalanced. So how do we counter someone using a gun? Get a gun yourself.

 

Its logic you scrubs.

Bullsh*t. There's only one counter and that is to use another jet.

*Homie Launcher

*Jet

*Use cover in the city

*Heavy Snipers

*Insurgent

*Call Lester and go off the radar

 

Get creative and stop complaining. Tanks had counters until babies got it nerfed. R* won't touch the Jet.

 

This game been out over 2 years now. Isn't it logic that the Jet isn't a problem?

 

You and others lack skill.

You posted one counter to jets. The ONLY counter to jets. The rest are techniques to help you not get rapid-fire explosive'd over and over and over again.

 

1.) Homie Launcher: I don't understand how firing my friends at a jet would even slow it down. I guess if they hit the windshield and the pilot could no longer see because of all the blood and organs...

 

2.) Jet: Yah. Grabbing another jet is the only way to actually counter a jet. Because f*ck gameplay balance.

 

3.) Use Cover In The City: Hiding is not a counter. Hiding is a survival technique. No one has ever 'hidden' a jet to death. No jet pilot has ever gotten a Wasted screen or had to eject because someone's hiding skills were too much for them.

 

4.) Heavy Sniper: At best you can hope that after half an hour of taking potshots and seeing the Wasted screen dozens of times, you can send the pilot back to the nearest helipad for a fresh jet. The number of people that have actually destroyed a jet with a heavy sniper, or sniped the pilot out of a jet is infinitesimally small. That's not a counter, that's playing the lottery while wishing upon a star.

 

5.) Insurgent: See "Use Cover In The City". No one has ever killed a jet with an Insurgent. The jet pilot would have to be flying really low or parked on the ground, and the Insurgent would need room to get up to ramming speed...

 

6.) Call Lester and Go Off The Radar: Unless you call Pegasus and ordered a Hydra immediately after, much like using cover in the city, you can't take down a jet by simply being invisible. Unless the jet pilot dies of a heart attack out of fear and suspense as he waits for his target to reappear on a different part of the map.

 

As Azarael and Nutduster have pointed out multiple times, in multiple ways, the only way to go toe to toe with a jet is to stop what you're doing, obtain a jet, and play Ace Combat for the rest of the session. If we wanted to play Ace Combat, we'd have purchased Ace Combat.

 

If one person has the power to completely dictate how the other 29 people in the lobby HAVE TO play the game, then the game has a SEVERE balance issue.

 

If you disagree with that statement, you're in denial, out of touch with reality, or an abject moron.

How do you go toe to toe with someone using a gun? Its the same thing.

 

Stop crying and adapt. Plenty of cover on the ground to combat the jet without dying.

 

Its scrubs like you that want the easy road.

[Hunter]

Adding an anti aircraft gun of some kind to one of the Brikades, and added armour for them, seems like a reasonable idea. However people such as the OP will still find a way to moan about overpowered items.

 

 

 

Im actually not really into any of the Military items and would be happy if they where all removed completely.

 

Oh I think military stuff's great, just so long as it's reasonably fair.

 

I think you'd be surprised how many people wouldn't mind military stuff, just so long as the game isn't turned into a "one vehicle beats all" kind of thing.

[Superman1233]

 

 

Get creative and stop complaining. Tanks had counters until babies got it nerfed. R* won't touch the Jet.

 

This game been out over 2 years now. Isn't it logic that the Jet isn't a problem?

 

You and others lack skill.

 

 

Tanks had counters and babies got it nerfed..?

 

 

Funny.. i remember tanks being OP and getting balanced. Im not sure wtf you're talking about, but i sense you lack understanding on game balance, cause and effect in a game mostly about ground vehicles and shoot outs on foot. And not a military shooter game.

 

Tanks had counters?.. Sure man, like hiding and tank sniping the driver (game bug) and blasting twice as many rpgs or stickies and having to sit through 3-4 time worth of wasted screens. The only issue with the tank currently is vehicles driving into it an exploding..and causing damage.

 

You saying the jet is not a problem is a joke.. Funny, when my crew jumps in jets its a HUGE problem for everyone else..Maybe you should join one my sessions.. Id love to see how gud you f*ckin are when 5 jets are on your ass.

 

 

Here we go again, another poster with no sense. Its a tank, of course you will die however you can easily beat it.

 

5 jets vs 1 player is no different than 5 players on foot vs 1.

 

Lets see how good you do.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Superman1233

[ZakeBudek]

I would remove Pegasus jets in free roam, and shore up (+ difficulty) the Lazers at Zancudo. And make the homing launcher more accurate on jets, but add homing jammers to all unarmed helis.

 

My reasoning is that aircraft are for transport, there is no purpose for jets aside from utility in maybe one or two missions. And in free roam, you are just trying to transport your butt around the map.

 

If you want to fight PvP there are many avenues, within which jets upset the balance. If someone is shooting rockets at me in a gun fight, I can fight back the same way. But jet v jet is a ridiculous escalation of a fight - and obviously jets are chosen solely for the ability to grief and be untouchable, not participate in an actual fight, i.e. the game.

[SkylineGTRFreak]

 

I am good in a Buzzard and except that I am vulnerable when in one and will get destroyed a lot. I have however taken down plenty of Jets and Savages in it! always a very satisfying feat.

If you can fly a helicopter, then you're more than good enough to fly a jet. Which means jets just aren't for you. No shame in that at all.

 

Anyway, all this arguing's going nowhere, so here's something I propose:

 

• The current jets are nerfed. Their purpose is now for aerial fighting, and sending lock on missiles to vehicles.

• An A-10 is added. It has an explosive cannon that can be aimed by moving the camera.

• It's fast, but not as maneuverable as a Lazer/Hydra. It can't really dive bomb or dodge missiles, but would have a jammer.

• This means there's a jet that's a severe threat if used right (using low flying, strategic use of the jammer, and fast aiming), but it can't simply dive bomb everyone, and isn't king of the skies.

Just an idea anyway. This thread's headed nowhere, so just spilling my thoughts.

This is what I wanted since the beginning. Auf dedicated attack and fighter jet. Jets that actually feel different. Too late now though

[Richard Power Colt]

Personally I like military vehicles in free mode, but I don't like how common they are. I think they should be something you encounter or get to use rarely to sort of make them feel special. Most combat should happen between regular vehicles and on foot.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Nutsack McQueen

[Azarael]

Personally I like military vehicles in free mode, but I don't like how common they are. I think they should be something you encounter or get to use rarely to sort of make them feel special. Most combat should happen between regular vehicles and on foot.

 

Yup, that's also my opinion and why I support increased cooldowns and call-in costs on military vehicles in general from Pegasus. With that and the counter system / adjustments mentioned above, we'd be pretty much set.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

Jets are fine as they are, no need to say anything.

People complaining about them are just blind, dumb, or lazy as fu*k.

[Hunter]

Jets are fine as they are, no need to say anything.

People complaining about them are just blind, dumb, or lazy as fu*k.

Number of jet complainers convinced:

 

... Oh .. Wait, never mind.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[BobFromReboot]

Possible Solutions:

 

-Instant five star wanted level on firing any weapon from a military vehicle. Jets dispatched on you if you are in a jet, attack helicopters dispatched if you are in a chopper, etc.

 

-Ten minute cooldown period for jets, and possibly other military vehicles.

 

-Radar jammers on more unarmed pegasus/delivery vehicles to survive the initial attack before jets are dispatched on your attacker.

 

-Allow CEO deliveries in closed sessions.

 

-Disable passive mode in armed vehicles.

Edited June 13, 2016 by BobFromReboot

[Nutduster]

Jets are fine as they are, no need to say anything.

People complaining about them are just blind, dumb, or lazy as fu*k.

 

Funny, I was just thinking all of those things about you.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

Jets are fine as they are, no need to say anything.

People complaining about them are just blind, dumb, or lazy as fu*k.

Funny, I was just thinking all of those things about you.

Good to know.

[Nutduster]

I figured I'd keep you in the loop. You seem pretty out of it.

[Superman1233]

The anti jet suggestions are the worse things i ever read.

 

20 second cooldowns for cannons? 10 min cooldowns for another one?

 

I mean jesus you babies are hilarious. Moving a 2.2 mil shipment? Good for you when you die because R* knows how to make it hard.

 

You think it will be that simple? Good job for R not allowing OTR to hide shipment. I love blasting folks with the jet.

 

All the juicy salt in here. Cry more, cry more hahaha.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Superman1233

[am30]

The anti jet suggestions are the worse things i ever read.

 

20 second cooldowns for cannons? 10 min cooldowns for another one?

 

I mean jesus you babies are hilarious. Moving a 2.2 mil shipment? Good for you when you die because R* knows how to make it hard.

 

You think it will be that simple? Good job for R not allowing OTR to hide shipment. I love blasting folks with the jet.

 

All the juicy salt in here. Cry more, cry more hahaha.

 

I'm surprised they've not suggested that jets fire bubbles. They'd probably call the bubbles OP.

 

Whatever happened to the attitude of adapt and over-come? Just seems to be whinge until it gets changed now.

Edited June 13, 2016 by am30

[Shaundi.]

Jets are fine as they are, no need to say anything.

People complaining about them are just blind, dumb, or lazy as fu*k.

Oh look, another ijet.

[rlk232]

The anti jet suggestions are the worse things i ever read.

 

20 second cooldowns for cannons? 10 min cooldowns for another one?

 

I mean jesus you babies are hilarious. Moving a 2.2 mil shipment? Good for you when you die because R* knows how to make it hard.

 

You think it will be that simple? Good job for R not allowing OTR to hide shipment. I love blasting folks with the jet.

 

All the juicy salt in here. Cry more, cry more hahaha.

 

This just shows that you aren't very bright. You see, if it was a free endeavor, yes, fine, it should be very difficult and encompass a lot of risk, but the CEO must invest at least $4-5 mill going in, so people are attempting to at least get a return on investment but you don't realize that R* is trolling you and every other caveman who says "cargo shipment? me blow up!" You're getting 2k for that, and wasting how much in time & ammo?

 

All you're doing is helping R* troll. Shouldn't you at least get paid for doing their work?

Edited June 13, 2016 by rlk232

[Hunter]

I think am30 and Superman1233 might just be double agents lol. As in, trying to make jet guys look bad to gather support for the anti-jet side.

 

Otherwise ... Well they're not doing very well at whatever it is they're trying to do.

[Azarael]

I'm not even sure what it is that they're trying to do. Feels like they think posting the same drivel and insults page after page is going to change anyone's opinion or break the discussion. It might be desperation - they can't contribute on any higher level so they're sitting behind their keyboards with tears in their eyes, praying that posting "lol crybabies" or "waah they wanna make it easy" or "they are lazy whiners" for the 20th time will stop what's going on here.

 

Sorry to break it to you, lads, but you had your chance to influence the discussion and you blew it. The thread is entering a more civil and reasoned stage now. Bye-bye.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Azarael

[rlk232]

Again, if this mode requires such a substantial investment and intentionally encompases such a large amount of risk, the payout simply has to be greater than it is presently. Like 30-40% is a good start. Invest $10-12m and still only make around 220k an hour, with a friend while doing a good job at CEO, or make the same amount of money with no risk and no investment in VIP missions... gee... I wonder...

Edited June 13, 2016 by rlk232

[Nutduster]

I think am30 and Superman1233 might just be double agents lol. As in, trying to make jet guys look bad to gather support for the anti-jet side.

 

Otherwise ... Well they're not doing very well at whatever it is they're trying to do.

Both of them are so sub-rational it makes me embarrassed.

 

This game really has the worst overall community I've ever seen, and I've been gaming for thirty years. I guess that's some kind of achievement. It feels like half the players have no interest at all in whether the game is balanced or fun; all they want to do is glitch and grief their way to being the king of the anti-social dickheads.

[am30]

I think am30 and Superman1233 might just be double agents lol. As in, trying to make jet guys look bad to gather support for the anti-jet side.

 

Otherwise ... Well they're not doing very well at whatever it is they're trying to do.

 

Shouldn't you be crying elsewhere about the oh so pointless Hunter?

 

All I'm saying is, it is what it is. There are ways to cheese the whole crate getting and selling thing. Use them if you don't want to risk other players from actually playing the game how it's been designed. Why this is a difficult concept for some to grasp is really quite laughable. It's certainly not going to change given the whole cash card thing and money being wasted by crates being destroyed. No point getting annoyed. Just lag yourself out of a public session and play unhindered.

 

 

I think am30 and Superman1233 might just be double agents lol. As in, trying to make jet guys look bad to gather support for the anti-jet side.

 

Otherwise ... Well they're not doing very well at whatever it is they're trying to do.

Both of them are so sub-rational it makes me embarrassed.

 

This game really has the worst overall community I've ever seen, and I've been gaming for thirty years. I guess that's some kind of achievement. It feels like half the players have no interest at all in whether the game is balanced or fun; all they want to do is glitch and grief their way to being the king of the anti-social dickheads.

 

 

You know me? Gamed with me have you? No, you've not. That's enough talk out of your ass for one day. Get back in your box.

 

You are correct though. The GTA community is the worst. They complain about everything and want what is a very easy game made even easier by removing even the slightest of challenges.

Edited June 13, 2016 by am30

[Misanthrope Z]

all R* has to do is remove the explosive cannons, replace them with normal machine guns and give them a high damage output.

 

that way, jets can still properly fight other jets and destroy ground vehicles. only difference is you'd actually need to aim instead of spraying&praying, relying solely on splash damage to compensate for lack of precision.

 

 

 

 

but the game's been out almost 3 years and R* has done next to nothing about that, so it should be obvious they don't care.

[MrGrandis]

all R* has to do is remove the explosive cannons, replace them with normal machine guns and give them a high damage output.

 

that way, jets can still properly fight other jets and destroy ground vehicles. only difference is you'd actually need to aim instead of spraying&praying, relying solely on splash damage to compensate for lack of precision.

 

 

 

 

but the game's been out almost 3 years and R* has done next to nothing about that, so it should be obvious they don't care.

This, I have been hoping for since 2014.

[Razgriz67]

Man so much arguing while I slept

 

Wait what? Im sorry but reloading a jet should take longer then 20 seconds. A 20 sec cool down seems fair.. or maybe you want it more realistic and you should have to land. get out and actually reload it manually. Or just remove the the explosive jizz effect from the cannon.

 

 

And what cool down? Re aligning itself is a cool down? lmao... that takes a few seconds. Thats the problem..

 

I think you missed the point.. But looking at you forum avatar, its not shocking. You use a jet... Stop using a jet for a few months then come back.

 

 

It in a sense is a cool down. and you also assume im exclusively in a jet. Only when my friends arent on. when they are i do VIP work with them

 

I could post a video of me getting sniped out of a jet, does that make sniping an effective counter or was it just pure luck that he got me? Same goes for that clip, also you didn't even dive bomb. Yes he can take you with the grenade launcher but it's 90% luck and only slight skill with the timing. It is not an EFFECTIVE counter that works CONSISTESNTLY and you can RELY on.

 

 

Again I'm going from personal experience. And personally I've been shot down more from a grenade launcher then I have a homing Launcher. and have yet to be snipped out of my jet

 

 

 

 

This is a joke as well.

 

You proved that you're a terrible pilot by flying in a predictable fashion very close to your target. Do you think that just because some of us are anti-jet that we don't have an understanding of how to use jets? If you're going to attack from so close in and not initiate evasive manoeuvres while flying in a straight line over your target, you're going to get shot down, and that's because you're terrible at flying or are deliberately flying badly to try to score a point with video evidence.

 

In that video you lower yourself to what, 10 metres above the target?

 

The hilarious part is that you basically fed him the kill, and it STILL took him two passes to grenade you. If you'd been minimally competent with the cannons you'd have killed him on your first pass despite trying to feed him the free kill.

 

It seems rather than the anti-jet players being bad, it's the jet defenders themselves who are bad, and it's exactly why they fear any kind of nerf so much. If you're so bad that you are actually getting shot down consistently by any of the garbage that's come up on this last page, I can understand that you'd be crapping yourself over a nerf.

 

 

Yes, it should of taken me one to kill him. but I foolishly tried to avoid the missle coming my way.

 

Yes Its predictable cuse thats an actual strafe run not a dive bomb.

 

Icons don't counter a jet. Off radar is no more specifically effective against a jet than against any other target and can be countered with reveal. Ghost Org's cost is too high to be effective. The tunnels and underground may make you immune to air attacks but they don't counter the jet (that's just another version of "hiding" which was already revealed in this thread) and you can't move cargo vehicles through them (or even the ones that you can can't be moved all the way to the destination). Your associates have to stop the jet (which can and will abuse passive, I don't care what you claim you've seen, the fact is that it's a working strategy) which is a fast and moving target before it destroys your slow and vulnerable cargo.

 

Again Reveal doesnt work in Free mode.

 

Yup. my potentially 3 crates arent worth the cash to spend one of them to hopefully save the other 2

 

Also going underground/hiding. Will either result in the jet leaving you alone for a while. or that f*cker is going to try to keep going for you.

 

If he does then there's a good chance he will collide if not this is your best opportunity to go kill him since he cant dive bomb and is close to the ground

 

You don't lose money when your jet blows up and you can get one within like a minute or few so that's not really comparable.

 

Then lets store the Hydras in our garage. along with our helicopters. cuse right now the only things you gotta pay for when destroyed are your personal vehicles

 

Go and read the definition of a counter.

 

If your reaction does not suppress or destroy the element in question, it is not a counter. Running away is not a counter. Hiding in the tunnels is not a counter, it's a loss. It broadcasts to the jet pilot that you cede the entire overland to him, because you know that if you come out, you will die.

 

Finally, the whole point is that there are no effective measures. This topic would not need to exist if there were.

 

I don't give a flying f*ck if jets are part of the game. We are talking about their balance. Them being part of the game does not matter a single bit. If Rockstar added a nuclear bomb for $10 million in the next update that allows a single player to bomb the entire map every 2 minutes, would it be part of the game? Yes. Would it be balanced? Would it be a good idea? Would it be any fun? The answers are no, no and only to children.

 

I'm not expecting Rockstar to "impose my playstyle on others". I'm expecting Rockstar to consider the arguments made for and against jets and make a decision that's based upon their balance, not anyone's particular playstyle. At not a single point in this thread have I said "Jets should be nerfed because I don't like them." All of my points have been based on jets being dominant over everything else, having no counters (see definition above) and ruining CEO work. Though I will add that if someone's playstyle involves abusing the most overpowered thing they can find and blocking every attempt to nerf it, which a lot of scrubs do... then their playstyle can suck it.

 

Fact is, jet pilots want it all. They want to be the strongest vehicle in the game, dominant above all others. They want to pay a pittance of $200 to call in their jets. They want to be dominant over every other element except other jets (forcing people to play they way THEY want to deal with them) and they want to have a pitiful 2 minute cooldown when their jets are eventually destroyed.

 

Again there are counters to jets (and many more to alleviate the pain). its just that none of them are to your satisfaction

 

 

...Ok i wont post a montage. I will however post this vid of me being shot down by a grenade launcher. Also please dont assume that most of what i say i pull out of my a**. most of what i say for counters to jets are from my own personal experience I am sorry that you don't use the tools provided to their fullest potential

Now, if you'd kindly post the total number of times that you've been taken out by a player with a grenade launcher, and the total number of player kills that you've gotten with your fancy jet so that we can compare the two figures...

 

 

That is an unrealistic comparison since out of all the people I killed. My friend there is the only one to actually try to kill me with a gernade launcher.

 

and if we compare those numbers. Im sure it is a 15-20 to 1 but thats also him homing in on his timing. he now has it to below 5 to 1 (not much protection while doing Piracy)

Edited June 13, 2016 by razgriz67

[Hunter]

Again I'm going from personal experience. And personally I've been shot down more from a grenade launcher then I have a homing Launcher. and have yet to be snipped out of my jet

No offense, but if you're being taken down by grenade launchers, then you're not doing things right.

 

Attack from a steep angle, and nothing will hit you (just like that video I've posted a few times).

 

Again there are counters to jets (and many more to alleviate the pain). its just that none of them are to your satisfaction

None that will truly work against a jet pilot who's doing his or her job properly.

 

For every counter anyone here can provide, I can quickly provide an effective way of stopping that counter working.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Razgriz67]

 

Again there are counters to jets (and many more to alleviate the pain). its just that none of them are to your satisfaction

None that will truly work against a jet pilot who's doing his or her job properly.

 

For every counter anyone here can provide, I can quickly provide an effective way of stopping that counter working.

 

 

No offense. But here is a good example of how this thread is flawed a bit. I make my statements based on personal experience while playing.

 

And while I can list all of the ways I personally found effective, you can easily think of a counter for.

 

Though this doesn't mean that someone I find online will of come to a similar conclusion