jets ruin all this new vip stuff

[Setzaroth]

 

 

 

The only people that ignore me are the ones incapable of debating me.

So people that have common sense?

 

 

Common sense = "This thing that has been in the game since day 1 should change to cater to a brand new update"

 

ya, ok.

 

 

Why the hell shouldn't the game be changed to adapt to the current content? If you are in a jet, maybe AI jets should be dispatched, does that sound fair to you?

 

 

Maybe. The issue is the A.I. is so terrible that enemy jets would be relentless and destroy you 100% of the time.

 

 

 

The only people that ignore me are the ones incapable of debating me.

So people that have common sense?

Common sense = "This thing that has been in the game since day 1 should change to cater to a brand new update"

 

ya, ok.

Exactly my point, you twist the facts to suit your needs, Hydras are being abused because they are super easy to obtain, and as we all know, Hydras were introduced with Heists DLC.

 

And we all have seen you crying not to have the Lazer available for purchase because it is more powerful than the Hydra, so you basically accepting that the Hydra has no match and that you want it to stay that way

 

 

I don't believe I ever said that. Nice attempt at a strawman though. Cute.

 

Also, for the record the Lazer is only a bit faster, it has identical weapons.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Setzaroth

[Nutduster]

 

Maybe. The issue is the A.I. is so terrible that enemy jets would be relentless and destroy you 100% of the time.

 

 

They can't make that happen fast enough. I've said for ages that you should be able to call Merryweather mercs on someone and have them scramble a couple AI jets if the targeted player is airborne. If they do that, they can keep the Lazers and Hydras for all I care. I'd gladly spend the money to blow your cheesy ass up.

 

If you want a softer option though, how about a phone ability through Lester that takes you off radar *only for players in flying vehicles* - like a radar scrambler - for a period of 3-5 minutes? I could work with that.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Nutduster

[Setzaroth]

 

 

Maybe. The issue is the A.I. is so terrible that enemy jets would be relentless and destroy you 100% of the time.

 

 

They can't make that happen fast enough. I've said for ages that you should be able to call Merryweather mercs on someone and have them scramble a couple AI jets if the targeted player is airborne. If they do that, they can keep the Lazers and Hydras for all I care. I'd gladly spend the money to blow your cheesy ass up.

 

 

I would be fine with an airborn unit of Merryweather. It doesn't seem very logical that a PMC simply doesn't have at least 1 or 2 jets. The only issue I see, is again, the A.I. is REALLY annoyingly bad, and by that I mean they have no accuracy penalty. The spawns for these merc jets would need to be adjusted to where you at least have a chance to fight them, similar to the mercs on the ground.

 

As it stands, I can steal a lazer from the military base by flying low and holding the reverse cam, which disables the jet spawning 2 feet behind you.

 

It seems pretty intellectually dishonest to want something unbeatable to magically spawn and chase someone down indefinitely. Especially since an implementation of such a device would likely result in only more cheesing of people hauling crates as a system to differentiate between a player in a certain vehicle isn't in place yet.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Setzaroth

[l Marksman God l]

 

This is a terrible idea. The cannons are the man weapon used in dogfights. Take them out of the game, and dogfighting then disappears.

That's exactly what I said before. I don't care if they nerf or do something with the jet in freemode, but they definitely can't remove cannons entirely from the game, that would just f*ck up the whole dogfight system; but since they won't remove them, I'm cool.

[hyperar]

@Setzaroth you as you the jet griefers and is quite clear that the Lazer is better than the Hydra. Too bad you just can't make a decent argument

[Setzaroth]

@Setzaroth you as you the jet griefers and is quite clear that the Lazer is better than the Hydra. Too bad you just can't make a decent argument

 

Ok, now you're just changing subjects and backpedaling. What does this have to do with anything?

 

My argument is the jets don't need to change, the way R* implemented these missions does.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Setzaroth

[Setzaroth]

@Nutduster

 

The hilarious thing about going off radar is the red crate still flashes, giving away your position. it's like R* doesn't even playtest this stuff before releasing it.

[BobFromReboot]

 

 

 

Maybe. The issue is the A.I. is so terrible that enemy jets would be relentless and destroy you 100% of the time.

 

 

They can't make that happen fast enough. I've said for ages that you should be able to call Merryweather mercs on someone and have them scramble a couple AI jets if the targeted player is airborne. If they do that, they can keep the Lazers and Hydras for all I care. I'd gladly spend the money to blow your cheesy ass up.

 

 

I would be fine with an airborn unit of Merryweather. It doesn't seem very logical that a PMC simply doesn't have at least 1 or 2 jets. The only issue I see, is again, the A.I. is REALLY annoyingly bad, and by that I mean they have no accuracy penalty. The spawns for these merc jets would need to be adjusted to where you at least have a chance to fight them, similar to the mercs on the ground.

 

As it stands, I can steal a lazer from the military base by flying low and holding the reverse cam, which disables the jet spawning 2 feet behind you.

 

It seems pretty intellectually dishonest to want something unbeatable to magically spawn and chase someone down indefinitely. Especially since an implementation of such a device would likely result in only more cheesing of people hauling crates as a system to differentiate between a player in a certain vehicle isn't in place yet.

 

 

Oh no poor mr jet man doesn't want to be killed unfairly by jets.

[Setzaroth]

 

 

 

 

Maybe. The issue is the A.I. is so terrible that enemy jets would be relentless and destroy you 100% of the time.

 

 

They can't make that happen fast enough. I've said for ages that you should be able to call Merryweather mercs on someone and have them scramble a couple AI jets if the targeted player is airborne. If they do that, they can keep the Lazers and Hydras for all I care. I'd gladly spend the money to blow your cheesy ass up.

 

 

I would be fine with an airborn unit of Merryweather. It doesn't seem very logical that a PMC simply doesn't have at least 1 or 2 jets. The only issue I see, is again, the A.I. is REALLY annoyingly bad, and by that I mean they have no accuracy penalty. The spawns for these merc jets would need to be adjusted to where you at least have a chance to fight them, similar to the mercs on the ground.

 

As it stands, I can steal a lazer from the military base by flying low and holding the reverse cam, which disables the jet spawning 2 feet behind you.

 

It seems pretty intellectually dishonest to want something unbeatable to magically spawn and chase someone down indefinitely. Especially since an implementation of such a device would likely result in only more cheesing of people hauling crates as a system to differentiate between a player in a certain vehicle isn't in place yet.

 

 

Oh no poor mr jet man doesn't want to be killed unfairly by jets.

 

 

Can you imagine if I said I want the jet's machine gun to lock onto players? Because that's what you're asking for. Except, no, it's ok since jets are bad, you don't like jets so anything that stops them is just dandy. Let's put A.A. emplacements all throughout the city, all while chanting about how you want the game to be de-militarized. Yes...brilliant.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Setzaroth

[Shaundi.]

R* currently playing on XB1 getting destroyed https://www.twitch.tv/rockstargames

Good.

 

Bunch of f*cking mongoloids getting a taste of their own medicine. They'll soon realise public only is a grave mistake.

 

For now, the only suitable option is to find a solo public session in free aim and instantly vote kick anyone who isn't a CEO, in your crew or on your friends list.

[BitBasher]

*Homie Launcher

*Jet

*Use cover in the city

*Heavy Snipers

*Insurgent

*Call Lester and go off the radar

You know that this thread is about CEO missions and of those options you listed, none of them work during CEO jobs.

[rlk232]

Even if you are lucky enough to get your own public session, holy crap, it's boring as hell. I've now made 1.2m out of my approx $17m investment and realize that I can eventually break even, but cannot remotely imagine myself wanting to even play it next week...

[The Wandering Hunter]

u know what ruins the new VIP stuff? losers abusing the kick feature

not for the one doing it

 

a common theme here

[PetrolCB]

This thread is 19 pages. Unbelievable.

[kingcool52]

Since the first day the DLC came out I havn't come across one jet. Since then I have been enjoying doing CEO work with others in about lobbies of 10 with everyone minding their own business. When I did come across a twat trying to destroy my crates, took him down easily and didn't bother me again. Public lobbies aren't that bad for me tbh

[SkylineGTRFreak]

If we keep it on the CEO level... have you ever seen a Winnebago RV withstand 3 explosives? Yea. With a decent bodyguard/associate there aren't many threats at all for deliveries. Even a jet can toss the vans around with explosive cannons before actually destroying them. Their armor is insane. It's not "click, boom" like usual.

If you picked a crate up and drive in your PV, the crate doesn't even get destroyed upon death/explosion of the PV.

 

FFS, what bugs me the most here (and always has) is that these threads make it sound like half the lobby is flying jets.

 

WHICH IS NOT THE CASE! I have made a few million with crates and was attacked ONCE by a jet during a Cuban delivery. Badly damaged I still managed to do it. Lobbies were pretty much always 10+ players.

 

Seriously, what game settings do you guys have that you're always encountering these guys?

 

/rant over

[Gridl0k]

So you only managed it because the jet flew into the ground by itself?

[SkylineGTRFreak]

So you only managed it because the jet flew into the ground by itself?

 

Nope, ebcause we actually flew as high as possible and dived right onto the landing strip. One plane exploded but still counted as delivered. And even if it did fail, was still the only time a jet interfered in CEO stuff

[Jammsbro]

Jets and helis both. I've wasted a fortune on crates so far and only managed to sell one. Yes one. Before you hit it with "get gud son".

 

A crappy van cannot outrun a jet or savage. Or an insurgent.

 

As soon as I go global I check the map and see people bee-lining towards me. I've so far spent a fortune on an office, warehouse and crate and mate zero money, lost several millions.

[Pedinhuh]

 

 

This is a terrible idea. The cannons are the man weapon used in dogfights. Take them out of the game, and dogfighting then disappears.

That's exactly what I said before. I don't care if they nerf or do something with the jet in freemode, but they definitely can't remove cannons entirely from the game, that would just f*ck up the whole dogfight system; but since they won't remove them, I'm cool.You guys have a little somethin' something called INFINITE HOMING MISSILES, besides, we just want the explosive cannons removed, you can keep the cannons with regular and infinite ammo, you can still hit targets and do damage with them, in fact it would improve dogfights because they would take more than 3 seconds to end.

 

If you can't work with that, then I'm sorry but you have to step up your game and stop relying on your precious OP cannon to do everything for you.

Edited June 11, 2016 by pedinhuh

[.Vooodu.]

This thread is 19 pages. Unbelievable.

 

 

 

Lol... Its because the player base is broken just like this game.

 

 

One half just wants to enjoy the game without retarded jets on demand ruining everything little thing. At this point id say most people are just sick to f*cking death of seeing another jet...

 

 

The others want and need jets to troll and kill players with.. And would be lost without them. So they are just basically spinning their own angles to justify keeping jets as is. A game without OP jets for them to use confuses them and would weaken them.

 

Nerf the jets... already. f*ck em.

[Hunter]

FFS, what bugs me the most here (and always has) is that these threads make it sound like half the lobby is flying jets.

They're not in every session. That's not true at all.

 

But - and this is a big but - if they are in a session, then they can ruin whatever work you're doing, and if they're any good then there's nothing at all you'll be able to do about it.

 

Now I've already been in this thread about 10 pages back or so. I showed a ton of videos and stuff that pretty much proved that - in the right hands - a jet's not going to face any threat at all from ... Well, anything other than another jet.

 

For the most part, it got brushed over and the thread degenerated into bickering.

 

"Git Gud Skrub!"

 

"I hate jet scum!"

 

Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

The thread's going nowhere, and neither will the one after this.

 

All I will say though is this - there wouldn't be so many people complaining if they weren't overpowered. Where there's smoke there's fire.

[cipher656]

i don't know anything about the latest update as i don't really get involved in free mode stuff but it does seem since this update there is carnage everywhere, from my point of view it makes it harder to drive because some muppet police drive into you and give you a star.

[RStarFan]

Solution: Explosive Restricted Freemode Lobbies.

 

A new experience where players won't sticky bomb you from their cars, instead they'll have to ram and shoot you with their SMGs.

Jets would have their explosive cannons disabled. Player's owned explosives would still be owned but greyed out. Unable to be used in that lobby type.

 

It would give the game a fresh new experience and make it look similar as to how it's shown in Rockstar's trailers. No more RPG only abusers. No more instant deaths.

A contender for greatest gta post of all time

 

OF AAAL TIIIME

 

R* wont implement this though, because.... well, because they just dont understand, they are all gorms

 

 

I think that if this thread proves anything it's that R* have monumentally f*cked up what should have been the greatest video game of all time. They have managed to shoot themselves in both feet, miraculously snatched defeat from the jaws of overwhelming victory, slipped on a banana and broke their stupid f*cking necks.

 

In short they are complete and utter gorms. All because they pandered to the COD kids. smh, what a waste.

Edited June 12, 2016 by RedDagger

[.Vooodu.]

 

FFS, what bugs me the most here (and always has) is that these threads make it sound like half the lobby is flying jets.

They're not in every session. That's not true at all.

 

But - and this is a big but - if they are in a session, then they can ruin whatever work you're doing, and if they're any good then there's nothing at all you'll be able to do about it.

 

Now I've already been in this thread about 10 pages back or so. I showed a ton of videos and stuff that pretty much proved that - in the right hands - a jet's not going to face any threat at all from ... Well, anything other than another jet.

 

For the most part, it got brushed over and the thread degenerated into bickering.

 

"Git Gud Skrub!"

 

"I hate jet scum!"

 

Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

The thread's going nowhere, and neither will the one after this.

 

All I will say though is this - there wouldn't be so many people complaining if they weren't overpowered. Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

 

 

 

One thing that annoys me is the way jet trolls spin their bullsh*t.

 

Like 'get gud, get your jet" Well ok then, i got a crew of jet trolls that have no problems slaughtering everyone in a jet or on foot.. So now what? I win?

 

 

f*ck no.. Theres still f*ckin jets everywhere. Only thing is the jets have my back and slaughter everyone else.. and "everyone else' is where the fun of pvp comes from. So now f*ckin what? I just stay bored? Because my crew is slaughtering everyone with ease and i see no action at all?

 

This mindless f*ck show of spaming OP cannons from a jet is beyond old. And is boring as f*ckin sh*t... period.

 

Maybe now.. that R* has added these new vip missions that the complaints from jets will finally have some impact on on the idiot in charge of GTA O. Who ever the f*ck that is...

If R* live streams anything i hope they get jet trolled to hell...

Edited June 11, 2016 by HulioG

[hyperar]

 

@Setzaroth you as you the jet griefers and is quite clear that the Lazer is better than the Hydra. Too bad you just can't make a decent argument

Ok, now you're just changing subjects and backpedaling. What does this have to do with anything?

 

My argument is the jets don't need to change, the way R* implemented these missions does.

 

Neither, you just can't put toghether an argument and just need to do anything to draw the attention away from that.

[soundism]

19 pages of somewhat decent debate, and only once (by cipher on pg. 19) has anyone mentioned the police. This is where the scales really tip in the Jets favor.

 

When you have an active jet overhead attacking ground targets, the players on the ground have more to worry about than the jet itself. Cover and positioning are important if you want to survive, but when the jet has a 3,4,or 5 star wanted level chasing him around on the ground, a single sniper shot into the air can be a death sentence. If you are lucky enough to have decent overhead cover, you can't stay there for long without a swat team swarming your position.

 

I'm not new to this game, I've evaded thousands upon thousands of wanted levels on foot. But I just wanted to point out that in addition to the jets op cannon and op speed, they also don't have anywhere near the amount of chaos to deal with in addition to the combat itself.

 

#nerfthejet

[We Are Ninja]

 

 

All im seeing is cry babies in here and Azareal is the biggest one.

 

The game gave us many counters to jets. The problem is players like the ones in here posses a lack of skill.

 

Getting a jet to counter a jet is imbalanced. So how do we counter someone using a gun? Get a gun yourself.

 

Its logic you scrubs.

Bullsh*t. There's only one counter and that is to use another jet.

 

*Homie Launcher

*Jet

*Use cover in the city

*Heavy Snipers

*Insurgent

*Call Lester and go off the radar

 

Get creative and stop complaining. Tanks had counters until babies got it nerfed. R* won't touch the Jet.

 

This game been out over 2 years now. Isn't it logic that the Jet isn't a problem?

 

You and others lack skill.

 

You posted one counter to jets. The ONLY counter to jets. The rest are techniques to help you not get rapid-fire explosive'd over and over and over again.

 

1.) Homie Launcher: I don't understand how firing my friends at a jet would even slow it down. I guess if they hit the windshield and the pilot could no longer see because of all the blood and organs...

 

2.) Jet: Yah. Grabbing another jet is the only way to actually counter a jet. Because f*ck gameplay balance.

 

3.) Use Cover In The City: Hiding is not a counter. Hiding is a survival technique. No one has ever 'hidden' a jet to death. No jet pilot has ever gotten a Wasted screen or had to eject because someone's hiding skills were too much for them.

 

4.) Heavy Sniper: At best you can hope that after half an hour of taking potshots and seeing the Wasted screen dozens of times, you can send the pilot back to the nearest helipad for a fresh jet. The number of people that have actually destroyed a jet with a heavy sniper, or sniped the pilot out of a jet is infinitesimally small. That's not a counter, that's playing the lottery while wishing upon a star.

 

5.) Insurgent: See "Use Cover In The City". No one has ever killed a jet with an Insurgent. The jet pilot would have to be flying really low or parked on the ground, and the Insurgent would need room to get up to ramming speed...

 

6.) Call Lester and Go Off The Radar: Unless you call Pegasus and ordered a Hydra immediately after, much like using cover in the city, you can't take down a jet by simply being invisible. Unless the jet pilot dies of a heart attack out of fear and suspense as he waits for his target to reappear on a different part of the map.

 

As Azarael and Nutduster have pointed out multiple times, in multiple ways, the only way to go toe to toe with a jet is to stop what you're doing, obtain a jet, and play Ace Combat for the rest of the session. If we wanted to play Ace Combat, we'd have purchased Ace Combat.

 

If one person has the power to completely dictate how the other 29 people in the lobby HAVE TO play the game, then the game has a SEVERE balance issue.

 

If you disagree with that statement, you're in denial, out of touch with reality, or an abject moron.

Edited June 11, 2016 by We Are Ninja

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

My argument is the jets don't need to change, the way R* implemented these missions does.

 

 

I think anyone with common sense knows jets need to change.

 

Jets need AI jets on wanted levels to hunt them down.. not cops. Cops are for street criminals.. having cops on the ground chase jets is retarded. Jets also need their explosive cannons removed. Passive removed and have at the very least a 5-10 min cool down on calling another one.

 

Now... as for as the missions go. Blowing the cargo up makes no sense.. If anything players should have to collect the package. not blow it up.

[.Vooodu.]

 

Get creative and stop complaining. Tanks had counters until babies got it nerfed. R* won't touch the Jet.

 

This game been out over 2 years now. Isn't it logic that the Jet isn't a problem?

 

You and others lack skill.

 

 

 

Tanks had counters and babies got it nerfed..?

 

 

Funny.. i remember tanks being OP and getting balanced. Im not sure wtf you're talking about, but i sense you lack understanding on game balance, cause and effect in a game mostly about ground vehicles and shoot outs on foot. And not a military shooter game.

 

Tanks had counters?.. Sure man, like hiding and tank sniping the driver (game bug) and blasting twice as many rpgs or stickies and having to sit through 3-4 time worth of wasted screens. The only issue with the tank currently is vehicles driving into it an exploding..and causing damage.

 

You saying the jet is not a problem is a joke.. Funny, when my crew jumps in jets its a HUGE problem for everyone else..Maybe you should join one my sessions.. Id love to see how gud you f*ckin are when 5 jets are on your ass.