Your views on corner shooting

[Arrows to Athens]

For those of you who don't know what corner shooting is, it's where a player stands behind a wall next to a corner that's to the right (without pressing R1), aims his gun, and the game shifts the player camera slightly to the right, allowing the player to see what's ahead of him, without exposing himself whatsoever; this allows the player to shoot through the corner of the wall whilst simultaneously concealing their entire body, which makes them immune to gunfire. On the other person's screen, however, he won't see the player, but rather bullets coming out through the wall and hitting him.

 

It's part of the game mechanics, and has existed since IV, or possibly even before IV. It also exists in other third-person games, too.

 

Here's a quick demonstration of how it's done and what it looks like in IV:

 

 

 

In V:

 

Edited May 24, 2016 by Fearx--

[Zerani]

what about corner RPGing where you shoot someone around the corner and the splash damage kills them?

[Taintedsoul_x]

There is no issues with that unless some dumb dumb is in the wall glitch sh*t...

[Furry_Monkey]

In my opinion it should be removed. The fact it's a long-standing bug doesn't mean it should stay, especially when you consider the list of bugs that really should be fixed and aren't. It doesn't prove it should stay - it proves that they don't give a sh*t about out gaming experiences.

 

It's unfair that you should have more of an advantage than another player, just because of the position of a building between you both. If you could switch shoulders that would at least even it out, but it's still dumb and bollocks.

[Arrows to Athens]

In my opinion it should be removed. The fact it's a long-standing bug doesn't mean it should stay, especially when you consider the list of bugs that really should be fixed and aren't. It doesn't prove it should stay - it proves that they don't give a sh*t about out gaming experiences.

 

It's unfair that you should have more of an advantage than another player, just because of the position of a building between you both. If you could switch shoulders that would at least even it out, but it's still dumb and bollocks.

Switching shoulders will make it even more effective, because it will allow you to cornershoot when the corner is to your left, giving you more opportunities to cornershoot.

[Furry_Monkey]

 

In my opinion it should be removed. The fact it's a long-standing bug doesn't mean it should stay, especially when you consider the list of bugs that really should be fixed and aren't. It doesn't prove it should stay - it proves that they don't give a sh*t about out gaming experiences.

 

It's unfair that you should have more of an advantage than another player, just because of the position of a building between you both. If you could switch shoulders that would at least even it out, but it's still dumb and bollocks.

Switching shoulders will make it even more effective, because it will allow you to cornershoot when the corner is to your left, giving you more opportunities to cornershoot.

 

 

I think you misunderstand. If the building is to your left then you can corner-shoot but your opponent can't. That is a blatant unfair advantage and should not be allowed. Switching shoulders would give your opponent the same stupid ability, therefore balancing it out.

 

Still dumb but at least balanced.

[Death Rains From Above]

It's a dick move and should be fixed. Though it probably won't because R*.

 

Regardless, just like dealing with shuffling Marksman Spammers, the best way to avoid becoming a victim of this is to avoid situations where an enemy player can use this to their advantage.

[Hunter]

I don't even know if corner shooting to that degree is possible on GTA V. GTA IV, maybe. But in GTA V, I think - only think - that you'll still be exposed when you shoot. You can aim safely, but to actually shoot, you need to poke out.

 

I could be wrong though.

 

If it's still possible to that degree, then it's a little sketchy I suppose. I don't know about cheating though; more like flawed game design.

 

I sometimes use this to deal with marksman shufflers, though I always have poked out to do the actual shooting (only preparing my aim from safety). I'm not sure it's possible to shoot without exposing yourself now.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Tails Prower]

Oho! This explains a lot of my deaths in the early days of GTA Online.

 

I always wondered how people were able to get the drop on me without me being able to see them but I doubt it will be fixed

and even if it was there are probably still other ways to get the advantage when it comes to shooting round corners.

[marco6158]

I don't even know if corner shooting to that degree is possible on GTA V. GTA IV, maybe. But in GTA V, I think - only think - that you'll still be exposed when you shoot. You can aim safely, but to actually shoot, you need to poke out.

It's actually possible with the Gusemberg

[Furry_Monkey]

I'm not sure it's possible to shoot without exposing yourself now.

 

 

At around 2:30 he shows it from the victim's point of view. At the time that he's killed you can't see the other player at all. It's still as dumb as it's always been.

[Arrows to Athens]

I don't even know if corner shooting to that degree is possible on GTA V. GTA IV, maybe. But in GTA V, I think - only think - that you'll still be exposed when you shoot. You can aim safely, but to actually shoot, you need to poke out.

 

I could be wrong though.

 

If it's still possible to that degree, then it's a little sketchy I suppose. I don't know about cheating though; more like flawed game design.

 

I sometimes use this to deal with marksman shufflers, though I always have poked out to do the actual shooting (only preparing my aim from safety). I'm not sure it's possible to shoot without exposing yourself now.

I've tried it many, many times, and it works best with the Combat MG and the Minigun.

 

It doesn't work with snipers or shotguns, though.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Fearx--

[CarimboHanky]

hardly see that, whenever someone get in a corner theres a rpg coming short after...

 

i love explosives but R* made a huge mistake when they added the buy ammo option to the menu, now 90% of freeroam battles are nothing but people spamming rpgs.

[Hunter]

-snip-

At around 2:30 he shows it from the victim's point of view. At the time that he's killed you can't see the other player at all. It's still as dumb as it's always been.

 

In that case, then no; it's hardly fair.

 

I don't quite know if I'd call it cheating, but it's a little shifty and stupid.

[Pedinhuh]

It's borderline game-breaking if you're on a deathmatch, mainly because the opponent can shoot you but you can't shoot him back, rushing to him will only make you more vulnerable and if you don't explosives, you're sh*t out of luck.

 

Soo yeah, it should go.

[NBAKingzFan10]

Looks like a bug that should be fixed. It makes absolutely no sense that one character should be able to see, and shoot, another character without that other character being equally able to see, and shoot, the first guy. It's downright preposterous and nonsensical. Above all, however, it's, it's, it's

Edited May 24, 2016 by NBAKingzFan10

[Robaldinio]

edit: Didn't watch the video and misunderstood OP. Derp.

 

I remember that being so bad in Uncharted.

 

Does anybody else find corner shooting a disadvantage?

 

I feel it restricts me (because you can't move, except left or right along the wall) and it's extremely clunky to actually shoot around the corner. Often when you try to throw a projectile it just won't let you and when you pop out to shoot you're super exposed. Hell, you're sometimes exposed even before you pop out when you're supposed to be hidden!

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if somebody made a video comparing the perspectives of two people in a corner shooting situation and found that what one person sees of your "hidden" body is totally different to how hidden you think you are.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Robaldinio

[TreFacTor]

It's in most shooters. Can't be helped really. It used to be a huge issue in the Rainbow 6 and Ghost Recon communities.

Edited May 24, 2016 by TreFacTor

[The Retaliator]

I can assure you sticking your gun around a corner and shooting without aiming happens IRL. So I have no problem with this mechanic.

[TasteThisClip]

It's a cheap tactic people will probably use forever, unfortunately. Obviously in Freemode there are ways to deal with it but specifically RNG deathmatches etc, is where the issue is.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

In all my years playing this game i only noticed there was an advantage on shooting with a gun around a corner on youre right, instead of shooting with a gun around a corner on youre left...i never knew there was a glitch involved.

Seriously...generaly in such cases people trow around rpgs anyhow.

Though i do not see why they shoud not patch a glitch like this, i can't say i see the urgency of patching it.

I can name dozans of things i want to be patched/nerfed/buffed/balanced first before this one

[Azarael]

Only on GTAForums could a blatant exploit receive so many votes for "Yes, it's fair". This place never ceases to surprise me, unfortunately.

 

While it is necessary for consistency to cast one ray from the camera's location to the target, that ray should only be relied upon to determine the shot's endpoint, so that your character shoots towards what you, the player, are looking at. A ray should be cast from the character's eyes towards that endpoint when shooting, to verify whether the character could see the destination and fire there. If this second raycast hits the world, you block the shot. This is elementary shooter programming.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Azarael

[Retroview1955]

If you're referring to people that hug walls, don't get close enough for them to get you with auto aim. Noobs will stay there and hug the wall until you get close enough. Shoot an RPG at the corner or if you want to be a real dick, call a mugger and kill them while they are down and go collect the cash.

[Arrows to Athens]

In all my years playing this game i only noticed there was an advantage on shooting with a gun around a corner on youre right, instead of shooting with a gun around a corner on youre left...i never knew there was a glitch involved.

Seriously...generaly in such cases people trow around rpgs anyhow.

Though i do not see why they shoud not patch a glitch like this, i can't say i see the urgency of patching it.

I can name dozans of things i want to be patched/nerfed/buffed/balanced first before this one

I don't think a patch is really necessary for this; it's part of the game mechanics, and to change it could be complicated and troublesome. It's also not really much of a problem, not many people know about it, and it's not abused often. After all, you could just a rocket their way anyway.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

In all my years playing this game i only noticed there was an advantage on shooting with a gun around a corner on youre right, instead of shooting with a gun around a corner on youre left...i never knew there was a glitch involved.

Seriously...generaly in such cases people trow around rpgs anyhow.

Though i do not see why they shoud not patch a glitch like this, i can't say i see the urgency of patching it.

I can name dozans of things i want to be patched/nerfed/buffed/balanced first before this one

 

I don't think a patch is really necessary for this; it's part of the game mechanics, and to change it could be complicated and troublesome. It's also not really much of a problem, not many people know about it, and it's not abused often. After all, you could just a rocket their way anyway.Glitches are glitches though...but yea...id rather see a huge nerf on the reload speed of the rpg first before they fix this minor sh*t

[Arrows to Athens]

If you're referring to people that hug walls, don't get close enough for them to get you with auto aim. Noobs will stay there and hug the wall until you get close enough. Shoot an RPG at the corner or if you want to be a real dick, call a mugger and kill them while they are down and go collect the cash.

By wall hugging, you mean standing right next to the wall and using the player camera to see what's ahead of you?

 

 

In all my years playing this game i only noticed there was an advantage on shooting with a gun around a corner on youre right, instead of shooting with a gun around a corner on youre left...i never knew there was a glitch involved.

Seriously...generaly in such cases people trow around rpgs anyhow.

Though i do not see why they shoud not patch a glitch like this, i can't say i see the urgency of patching it.

I can name dozans of things i want to be patched/nerfed/buffed/balanced first before this one

I don't think a patch is really necessary for this; it's part of the game mechanics, and to change it could be complicated and troublesome. It's also not really much of a problem, not many people know about it, and it's not abused often. After all, you could just a rocket their way anyway.

Glitches are glitches though...but yea...id rather see a huge nerf on the reload speed of the rpg first before they fix this minor sh*t

 

Like I said, I don't think it's a glitch, since it's part of the game mechanics; it's how the player camera works in a third-person shooter game, so there's nothing to be fixed here. Now, it may be exploited in a way that will give a player an advantage, but that doesn't make it a glitch. Regardless, it's not much of an issue, and it's not abused very often. Plus, you can easily send a rocket or a sticky their way, and sometimes corner shooting doesn't always go as planned and you end up exposing yourself without even knowing it. Not only that, but the corner must be to your right, so you would have to take the time to position yourself.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Fearx--

[eyman]

The song in the first video brings back good memories of TBOGT.

Back On Topic: Cover is there for a reason.

[coach_wargo]

It's part of playing a TPS.

 

Don't like it? Play FPS or STFU.

[CaptSpalding]

Skewed.

[Nacho Z]

It drives me round the bend. No, it doesn't really I just felt like making a bad joke. I've barely noticed it happening I don't think it's a big issue for the most part.

 

I do agree with Furry Monkey though that if anything it should be fixed, either that or add shoulder switching to even it out and make it harder to exploit corner shooting.