Should rockstar remove the marksman rifle

[justinlynch3]

1) Remove ability to run while sniping. Slow walk is one thing but not run.

 

2) Add ability to crutch/lay down with a sniper.

 

3) If the Marksman are to remain semi auto, then the other snipers needs a buff. Light Sniper should be 2 shot (1 shot for armor, 1 shot for actual health) and Heavy Sniper should be 1 shot kill regardless of armor.

 

 

The unbalance comes in with how fast the Marksman can fire VS how slow the other snipers are. If the other snipers was powerful enough to kill in 1 or 2 shots then they'd be balanced with the marksman rapid fire, but the other snipers hasn't been buffed up. Actually last I heard the Heavy Sniper was actually made weaker then it used to be.

 

Then again it's R*, they seem to have no idea about balance.

[ParsoOnFire]

there are a few ways I can find a balance for the rifle

 

1. no running with the rifle, a slow walk is fine to adjust your position
2. blurring the scope entirely when you move (let's face it, the scope can't be glued to your face)
3. longer reload (it doesn't even sound like you change the magazine when scoped, it only has the cocking sound)
4. reloading takes you out of ADS

those can be either combined or separate but decent balances without changing much

[Hail Sithis]

no because it's the only way I can get kills in this game

[Arrows to Athens]

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

[.Vooodu.]

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

[theNGclan]

Maybe you should just get better at the game?

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

[MikeyDLuffy]

Yawn f*ck no op.

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

 

 

 

How is it an exaggeration? Its a rapid firing sniper rifle. Thats what it is.. because thats what it does. And thats why people use it.

 

Especially when you compare it to the regular Sniper Rifle and Heavy Sniper. Heavy sniper has about a second delay between shots fired compared to the markmans that can fire constantly without a delay with the trigger held down. For the most part you can shoot about 3-4 shots by the time the heavy sniper can shoot one shot.

[MagicalBasturd]

No. This is not COD or League of Legends where one thing being unbalanced makes the whole game go on full tilt. The game feels more at home in co-op missions like Heists anyway.

[Sneakerhead.]

just use the minigun or RPG against them, or get good at using the Marksman yourself.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

 

 

 

How is it an exaggeration? Its a rapid firing sniper rifle. Thats what it is.. because thats what it does. And thats why people use it.

 

Especially when you compare it to the regular Sniper Rifle and Heavy Sniper. Heavy sniper has about a second delay between shots fired compared to the markmans that can fire constantly without a delay with the trigger held down. For the most part you can shoot about 3-4 shots by the time the heavy sniper can shoot one shot.

 

It's semi-automatic, not rapid fire. Rapid fire applies to fully automatic rifles, like ARs, of course. It's silly to compare the both.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Fearx--

[Guest]

Jets are the real menace, they can go before this. Marksman just needs to be stationary for firing (or a good suggestion was to blur the scope if they're shuffling)

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

 

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

 

 

 

How is it an exaggeration? Its a rapid firing sniper rifle. Thats what it is.. because thats what it does. And thats why people use it.

 

Especially when you compare it to the regular Sniper Rifle and Heavy Sniper. Heavy sniper has about a second delay between shots fired compared to the markmans that can fire constantly without a delay with the trigger held down. For the most part you can shoot about 3-4 shots by the time the heavy sniper can shoot one shot.

 

It's semi-automatic, not rapid fire. Rapid fire applies to fully automatic rifles, like ARs, of course. It's silly to compare the both.

 

 

 

Im only comparing sniper riles... thats why i underlined Sniper Rifles in my reply to you. Im not comparing it to fully automatic rifles like ARs. I mean, i know the difference.

 

That being said.. Its a rapid fire Sniper Rifle. Im not really caring about what the technical term is. Just cause and effect.

 

I mean for me.. When i choose between sniper rifles its Heavy Sniper for power and Markman for rapid fire.

 

And a rapid fire sniper rifle + wiggle side stepping = Highly effective in medium to long range open combat.

 

And to be honest... You should not be able to wiggle around with a scope and shoot, that makes no sense. Doing that with a gun like that would knock you onto your ass or take your eye out. Its just a stupid game mechanic that people take full advantage of. Just like curb boosting in races.

[Freelancer7_7]

I hate this rifle with a passion.

I hate this rifle with a passion. It's literally used by unskillful people who just spray and pray. I do give my props to people who can get a headshot with it.

I hate this rifle with a passion. It's literally used by unskillful people who just spray and pray. I do give my props to people who can get a headshot with it.

[ash-274]

I hate this rifle with a passion.

I hate this rifle with a passion. It's literally used by unskillful people who just spray and pray. I do give my props to people who can get a headshot with it.

I hate this rifle with a passion. It's literally used by unskillful people who just spray and pray. I do give my props to people who can get a headshot with it.

I immediately saw this in my head from your post

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

 

 

 

How is it an exaggeration? Its a rapid firing sniper rifle. Thats what it is.. because thats what it does. And thats why people use it.

 

Especially when you compare it to the regular Sniper Rifle and Heavy Sniper. Heavy sniper has about a second delay between shots fired compared to the markmans that can fire constantly without a delay with the trigger held down. For the most part you can shoot about 3-4 shots by the time the heavy sniper can shoot one shot.

 

It's semi-automatic, not rapid fire. Rapid fire applies to fully automatic rifles, like ARs, of course. It's silly to compare the both.

 

 

 

Im only comparing sniper riles... thats why i underlined Sniper Rifles in my reply to you. Im not comparing it to fully automatic rifles like ARs. I mean, i know the difference.

 

That being said.. Its a rapid fire Sniper Rifle. Im not really caring about what the technical term is. Just cause and effect.

 

I mean for me.. When i choose between sniper rifles its Heavy Sniper for power and Markman for rapid fire.

 

And a rapid fire sniper rifle + wiggle side stepping = Highly effective in medium to long range open combat.

 

And to be honest... You should not be able to wiggle around with a scope and shoot, that makes no sense. Doing that with a gun like that would knock you onto your ass or take your eye out. Its just a stupid game mechanic that people take full advantage of. Just like curb boosting in races.

 

You don't know what rapid fire means, but oh well...

[ash-274]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

 

 

 

How is it an exaggeration? Its a rapid firing sniper rifle. Thats what it is.. because thats what it does. And thats why people use it.

 

Especially when you compare it to the regular Sniper Rifle and Heavy Sniper. Heavy sniper has about a second delay between shots fired compared to the markmans that can fire constantly without a delay with the trigger held down. For the most part you can shoot about 3-4 shots by the time the heavy sniper can shoot one shot.

 

It's semi-automatic, not rapid fire. Rapid fire applies to fully automatic rifles, like ARs, of course. It's silly to compare the both.

 

 

 

Im only comparing sniper riles... thats why i underlined Sniper Rifles in my reply to you. Im not comparing it to fully automatic rifles like ARs. I mean, i know the difference.

 

That being said.. Its a rapid fire Sniper Rifle. Im not really caring about what the technical term is. Just cause and effect.

 

I mean for me.. When i choose between sniper rifles its Heavy Sniper for power and Markman for rapid fire.

 

And a rapid fire sniper rifle + wiggle side stepping = Highly effective in medium to long range open combat.

 

And to be honest... You should not be able to wiggle around with a scope and shoot, that makes no sense. Doing that with a gun like that would knock you onto your ass or take your eye out. Its just a stupid game mechanic that people take full advantage of. Just like curb boosting in races.

 

You don't know what rapid fire means, but oh well...

 

It's a "more-rapid-firing weapon than the other sniper rifles". There; is everyone happy now?

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just think they should never have added the ability to run while sniping. It doesn't make sense, and has degraded sniping in general into just shifting from side to side.

 

Strategy, thinking, and aiming carefully is no longer important, and I think that's a shame. Instead it's just guys wiggling all the time. Just a little boring, in my opinion.

 

I don't think they should remove the gun itself though; just running while sniping (which was never in the game to begin with).

You can do the same thing with the Heavy Sniper on CG/PC, yet I don't see anyone complain about the Heavy Sniper.

 

 

 

People tend to complain more about the Marksmen only because it rapid fires.

 

 

The main reason people complain so much is the speed boost wiggle marksman dance that they allow themselves to be suckered into. Some people are so basic in mindset they are easy kills and set themselves up to be easy kills.

 

I really don't spend much time on foot so for me.. Marksman Wigglers are barely a threat for me at all.

 

So people who don't like the markman.. Stop playing in a way that makes the marksman so effective against you. Move fast... remove line of sight or get in closer.

 

I wouldn't say it rapid fires; that's a bit of an exaggeration, I must say.

 

 

 

How is it an exaggeration? Its a rapid firing sniper rifle. Thats what it is.. because thats what it does. And thats why people use it.

 

Especially when you compare it to the regular Sniper Rifle and Heavy Sniper. Heavy sniper has about a second delay between shots fired compared to the markmans that can fire constantly without a delay with the trigger held down. For the most part you can shoot about 3-4 shots by the time the heavy sniper can shoot one shot.

 

It's semi-automatic, not rapid fire. Rapid fire applies to fully automatic rifles, like ARs, of course. It's silly to compare the both.

 

 

 

Im only comparing sniper riles... thats why i underlined Sniper Rifles in my reply to you. Im not comparing it to fully automatic rifles like ARs. I mean, i know the difference.

 

That being said.. Its a rapid fire Sniper Rifle. Im not really caring about what the technical term is. Just cause and effect.

 

I mean for me.. When i choose between sniper rifles its Heavy Sniper for power and Markman for rapid fire.

 

And a rapid fire sniper rifle + wiggle side stepping = Highly effective in medium to long range open combat.

 

And to be honest... You should not be able to wiggle around with a scope and shoot, that makes no sense. Doing that with a gun like that would knock you onto your ass or take your eye out. Its just a stupid game mechanic that people take full advantage of. Just like curb boosting in races.

 

You don't know what rapid fire means, but oh well...

 

It's a "more-rapid-firing weapon than the other sniper rifles". There; is everyone happy now?

 

Yes, it's a quicker firing sniper rifle than the other two, but that doesn't make it rapid fire in the slightest. The main difference between the Marksman and Heavy and Light sniper rifle is that the Marksman is semi-automatic, whereas the Heavy and Light sniper rifle are bolt action; it's simple, dude.

 

If a semi-automatic sniper rifle is rapid fire, then semi-automatic ARs must be as well, which clearly isn't the case at all.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Fearx--

[Ker Juice]

Nah, I don't have a problem with the marksman any more. You have to adjust your strategy when facing someone who is good with it. Now those damn Jets on the other hand...

[l Marksman God l]

If someone is killing you that easy with a marksman it's because you're just not doing the right thing. If you got bad "footwork", you're going to get owned by marksman players

[Yozora]

After seeing alot of people hate the marksman rifle why wont we see other people's opinion

 

 

I think they should not remove the marksman rifle

I think auto aim should go before any weapon. Kinda hard to hate on a weapon when it's one of the few that doesn't have aa applied to it.

[Death Rains From Above]

As been said before, best way to deal with Marksman spammers is to not put yourself in a position where they have the advantage. In other words don't wind up in a mid-range wide open situation, as the "Marksman Shuffle" will begin.

 

Try to get into close range to blast them with a Shotgun, AR, or Minigun. Marksman is crap at close range. Or try to take them out at a very long range with a Heavy, as their mid-range scope is useless for very long range.

 

 

After seeing alot of people hate the marksman rifle why wont we see other people's opinion

 

 

I think they should not remove the marksman rifle

I think auto aim should go before any weapon. Kinda hard to hate on a weapon when it's one of the few that doesn't have aa applied to it.

Don't like Auto-Aim? Switch to Free-Aim. It's that simple.

Edited May 21, 2016 by FlyingTank

[Datguy8925]

As been said before, best way to deal with Marksman spammers is to not put yourself in a position where they have the advantage. In other words don't wind up in a mid-range wide open situation, as the "Marksman Shuffle" will begin.

 

Try to get into close range to blast them with a Shotgun, AR, or Minigun. Marksman is crap at close range. Or try to take them out at a very long range with a Heavy, as their mid-range scope is useless for very long range.

This.

 

Play to your advantage.

[Yozora]

As been said before, best way to deal with Marksman spammers is to not put yourself in a position where they have the advantage. In other words don't wind up in a mid-range wide open situation, as the "Marksman Shuffle" will begin.

 

Try to get into close range to blast them with a Shotgun, AR, or Minigun. Marksman is crap at close range. Or try to take them out at a very long range with a Heavy, as their mid-range scope is useless for very long range.

 

 

 

After seeing alot of people hate the marksman rifle why wont we see other people's opinion

 

 

I think they should not remove the marksman rifle

I think auto aim should go before any weapon. Kinda hard to hate on a weapon when it's one of the few that doesn't have aa applied to it.

Yeah but the entire community is lazy.

[BitBasher]

The problem with the marksman rifle is that it has less recoil impulse than any other rifle, by a good margin. Mashing in the trigger rapidly puts all the bullets in the same place, when it shouldn't.

 

Give it appropriate recoil per shot and any problems are solved. Give it some small to moderate random left/right recoil and some meaningful vertical recoil that must be compensated for every shot.

[Death Rains From Above]

 

As been said before, best way to deal with Marksman spammers is to not put yourself in a position where they have the advantage. In other words don't wind up in a mid-range wide open situation, as the "Marksman Shuffle" will begin.

 

Try to get into close range to blast them with a Shotgun, AR, or Minigun. Marksman is crap at close range. Or try to take them out at a very long range with a Heavy, as their mid-range scope is useless for very long range.

 

 

 

After seeing alot of people hate the marksman rifle why wont we see other people's opinion

 

 

I think they should not remove the marksman rifle

I think auto aim should go before any weapon. Kinda hard to hate on a weapon when it's one of the few that doesn't have aa applied to it.

Yeah but the entire community is lazy.

It's not that the community is lazy. It's that a large part of the community plays this game for fun, not for displaying "Mad Free-Aim Skillz" as some people on this forum won't stop bragging about.

 

I've had more fun in AA lobbies than FA lobbies that often suffer from:

 

Minigun spammers, FA-Assisted players being lumped together with True FA players, and general emptiness of FA lobbies.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Regardless of personal preferences, I insist on stopping this AA/FA issue as it is way off topic. Plus, I'm in no mood to open up that can of worms.

 

I'll just stick to the topic on hand now.

[XxHonda]

Funny hearing about removing the sprint button while sniping lol they need to get better skills

 

Don't people realize you can play them at there own game

 

This is GTA shoot any players in range

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

As been said before, best way to deal with Marksman spammers is to not put yourself in a position where they have the advantage. In other words don't wind up in a mid-range wide open situation, as the "Marksman Shuffle" will begin.

 

Try to get into close range to blast them with a Shotgun, AR, or Minigun. Marksman is crap at close range. Or try to take them out at a very long range with a Heavy, as their mid-range scope is useless for very long range.

 

 

After seeing alot of people hate the marksman rifle why wont we see other people's opinion

 

 

I think they should not remove the marksman rifle

I think auto aim should go before any weapon. Kinda hard to hate on a weapon when it's one of the few that doesn't have aa applied to it.

Yeah but the entire community is lazy.

It's not that the community is lazy. It's that a large part of the community plays this game for fun, not for displaying "Mad Free-Aim Skillz" as some people on this forum won't stop bragging about.

 

I've had more fun in AA lobbies than FA lobbies that often suffer from:

 

Minigun spammers, FA-Assisted players being lumped together with True FA players, and general emptiness of FA lobbies.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Regardless of personal preferences, I insist on stopping this AA/FA issue as it is way off topic. Plus, I'm in no mood to open up that can of worms.

 

I'll just stick to the topic on hand now.

 

There's no point in reasoning with video game elitists. Their mindset is so fixed into this game, it's all they care about. Skillz, Skillz, Skillz...

 

Play like me, or you're lazy, noobie scrub.

 

I don't see AA players bashing on FA players, saying that they should switch to AA. No, I only see FA players doing that. Plus, AA and FA both have their own pros and cons anyway. At the end of the day, it's all down to preference.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Fearx--

[GTA-Biker]

No,they shouldn't remove it,it's great for sniping NPC enemies at medium range in missions.

Edited May 21, 2016 by LeopardGecko