EgyptAir Flight 804 lost over Mediterranean

[sivispacem]

While it's possible that a rapid decompression could happen, it would be far more likely that it would have happened much earlier in the flight, during the ascent.

Actually, the structural failure due to decompression typically happens at higher altitude. The pressure differential between the inside and outside of the aircraft is highest then.

 

There's no real indication that there was a decompression or loss of O2.

There's currently not any real evidence to support any theory at the moment, hence my calling you out on speculating about the cause.

 

Wing Seperation - This may explain the sudden turn to the left.

As would pretty much any other aerodynamic failure, but again we have absolutely no evidence one way or anotger- well, aside from knowing the aircraft didn't break up in-flight assuming you believe the radar data.

 

 

Although the engine mounts are designed to shield from that possibility.

Actually, it's the engine nacelle which protects the rest of the aircraft from damage in the even of an unconstrained engine failure. Not that they don't still happen from time to time.

 

It appears that the plane broke-up several thousand feet up, which would tend to rule this theory out.

*Citation needed. I don't think there's actually any evidence the aircraft broke up in-flight.

 

You forgot remote controlled highjacking

Kinda hard to forget things that don't exist.

[Spaghetti Cat]

I just gave you several possibilities on how either a mechanical or pilot error could lead to a crash. And yet you still want to nitpick? Typical.

 

How about next time you quote the entire thing in context. Rather than smugly dismissing anything that doesn't fit within your precious world view.

[Aqua]

Just wait until they recover the black box...

[mr quick]

I just gave you several possibilities on how either a mechanical or pilot error could lead to a crash. And yet you still want to nitpick? Typical.

 

How about next time you quote the entire thing in context. Rather than smugly dismissing anything that doesn't fit within your precious world view.

 

"Let's not jump to conclusions" is a world view?

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

and some of you claim the online section is that bad

i sence a speculation thread......right. here.

[Not A Nice Person]

I sure if this was in the online section everyone would be saying "Dem EYESIS did this"!!!

[Tchuck]

I just gave you several possibilities on how either a mechanical or pilot error could lead to a crash. And yet you still want to nitpick? Typical.

 

How about next time you quote the entire thing in context. Rather than smugly dismissing anything that doesn't fit within your precious world view.

 

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_airliner_bombing_attacks

 

I know you want it to fit this idea of an airplane bombing, because damn those Muslims raping and pillaging our beautiful white Europe. Jumping to conclusions like that is at best irresponsible. That database has data on over 1000 commercial airline accidents. Wikipedia points to 86 bombing attacks, 7 of which happened in the 21st century, 3 of which were stopped before it happened.

 

If every time a plane goes down we immediately go "BAH TERRORISTS!", then we're being stupidly biased, as data suggests that you have at least a 91.4% chance of it being due to numerous other things. Planes are amazing machines and incredibly reliable, but stupid small things such as the pitot tube being filled with too much ice can cause it to come down.

 

All Sivis is saying, like the rest of us, is lets wait for the investigation to start and clues to appear to start thinking about what could have happened. Not everything is caused by terrorists.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

Not everything is caused by terrorists.

 

That's no fun. We got stories to $ell.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Triple Vacuum Seal

[sivispacem]

I just gave you several possibilities on how either a mechanical or pilot error could lead to a crash. And yet you still want to nitpick? Typical.

You must be some kind of troll. There is quite literally no other explanation for how wild a miss that swing was.

[Aqua]

EgyptAir Crash: Data Shows Smoke Near Cockpit

[slimeball supreme]

oh look

it happened again

[Ai®a©ob®a]

Just wait until they recover the black box...

If they recover it they don't know the exact spot where the plane went down and they just now found debris which can travel quite a way in 72 hours so they have 27 days to find the black box in a vast area

 

EgyptAir Crash: Data Shows Smoke Near Cockpit

Even so i'm sure the cabin crew would be alerted early enough to be able to put out the fire before it took over the plane.

[Stephan90]

@ Sivispacem, oh really? We know for sure that it is entirely possible to remote control Boeing aircraft.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot

 

Maybe a similar technology is available for Airbus.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Stephan90

[sivispacem]

@ Sivispacem, oh really? We know for sure that it is entirely possible to remote control Boeing aircraft.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot

I'm aware prototypes exist for remote autopilot systems for commercial aircraft, but your comments are totally irrelevant (as usual) because your own source says they're not actually installed in commercial aircraft.

 

Plus their only role is to pilot the aircraft to designated safe runways, but let's not let facts get in the way of wild theorising shall we? How on earth you've conflated that to "remote hijacking" I don't know, but it's part of a larger trend of you intentionally misrepresenting facts/making up utter bollocks (delete as appropriate) to fit with your mildly delusional political views.

[Tchuck]

 

@ Sivispacem, oh really? We know for sure that it is entirely possible to remote control Boeing aircraft.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot

I'm aware prototypes exist for remote autopilot systems for commercial aircraft, but your comments are totally irrelevant (as usual) because your own source says they're not actually installed in commercial aircraft.

 

Plus their only role is to pilot the aircraft to designated safe runways, but let's not let facts get in the way of wild theorising shall we? How on earth you've conflated that to "remote hijacking" I don't know, but it's part of a larger trend of you intentionally misrepresenting facts/making up utter bollocks (delete as appropriate) to fit with your mildly delusional political views.

 

 

No, but see sivis, the government itself hijacked the plane in order to portray it as a terrorist attack, so that they would have a casus belli to invade Egypt and take those sweet sweet pyramids which, as we all know, hold uncalculable amounts of gold, which is what the jews controlling the government are really after.

[Stephan90]

Panos Kammenos, the Greek defence minister, noted the aircraft changed heading 90 degrees to the left, then turned 360 degrees to the right while it dropped from an altitude of 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet (4,600 m)

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36335898

 

mmh makes total sense that a pilot on the plane made these direction changes. Must have been terrorists, who overcame the three air marshals on the plane, who were making these direction changes.

 

Sivispacem, prototype doesn't mean that it is not working. And it is a software that could be developed for Airbus if it already exists for Boeing. If you want to bring one specific plane down you don't need to install it on every plane. If you are a pilot and someone takes over control and you can't do anything about it then it is a remote controlled highjacking. PS You are very impolite.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Stephan90

[Aqua]

Panos Kammenos, the Greek defence minister, noted the aircraft changed heading 90 degrees to the left, then turned 360 degrees to the right while it dropped from an altitude of 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet (4,600 m)

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36335898

 

mmh makes total sense that a pilot on the plane made these direction changes. Must have been terrorists, who overcame the three air marshals on the plane, who were making these direction changes.

 

Sivispacem, prototype doesn't mean that it is not working. And it is a software that could be developed for Airbus if it already exists for Boeing. If you want to bring one specific plane down you don't need to install it on every plane. If you are a pilot and someone takes over control and you can't do anything about it then it is a remote controlled highjacking. PS You are very impolite.

Terrorists?

[Stephan90]

 

Panos Kammenos, the Greek defence minister, noted the aircraft changed heading 90 degrees to the left, then turned 360 degrees to the right while it dropped from an altitude of 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet (4,600 m)

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36335898

 

mmh makes total sense that a pilot on the plane made these direction changes. Must have been terrorists, who overcame the three air marshals on the plane, who were making these direction changes.

 

Sivispacem, prototype doesn't mean that it is not working. And it is a software that could be developed for Airbus if it already exists for Boeing. If you want to bring one specific plane down you don't need to install it on every plane. If you are a pilot and someone takes over control and you can't do anything about it then it is a remote controlled highjacking. PS You are very impolite.

Terrorists?

 

 

Must have been a fire that changed heading 90 degrees to the left, then turned 360 degrees to the right, or the pilot who wanted to shake of a fire. sure...

 

If you can install such a software. It shouldn't be impossible to create a fire or at least smoke to activate the smoke detection system.

 

You NEED to explain the direction changes. You can't ignore them.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Stephan90

[sivispacem]

mmh makes total sense that a pilot on the plane made these direction changes.

It could be all manner of things, like a manifestation of loss of control through spiral divergence, which is very common in aircraft that undergo catastrophic failures of control system integrity for all manner of reasons. As usual, your total lack of knowledge on the subject leads to you making assumptions which don't match the evidence (what little of that we have, anyway). But, as I said, not really surprising, seems to be your sole reason for posting these days. As usual, your comments are nothing more than wildly speculatory bullsh*t.

 

Oh, and my politeness or otherwise is directly proportional to the quality of your posts.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

As far as I understand, a pilot would maintain position and radio their mayday for advice if a fire was onboard.

 

That would explain the 360 turn as the plane stayed on point and awaited instruction. Especially if they wanted redirection to a closer landing, say Alexandria.

 

That no radio call was sent suggests a serious issue, they probably did call, but the damage was already done.

 

They cannot just go there, even though that makes sense, other planes are still airborne and a mid air collision is worse than what has happened.

 

Only the black box recorders could explain things better and we must await those.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Sikee Atric

[Sombra]

remember lads accidents never happen theres always ulterior motives

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

ah, i suddenly wished seconds for disasters still was running on national geographic here somewhere...i honestly find this kind of things pretty intriguing

[gtamann123]

ah, i suddenly wished seconds for disasters still was running on national geographic here somewhere...i honestly find this kind of things pretty intriguing

There are a bunch of episodes on YouTube

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

ah, i suddenly wished seconds for disasters still was running on national geographic here somewhere...i honestly find this kind of things pretty intriguing

There are a bunch of episodes on YouTube

True...thing is they often get mirrored and what not.

Also...are they still making new episodes ?

Legit question...last time i watched my last episode has probably been a few years to be honest

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

New developments...

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-egyptair-airplane-idUSKCN11M2B8

 

...could be some foul play.