EgyptAir Flight 804 lost over Mediterranean

[Svip]

An EgyptAir plane en route from Paris to Cairo disappeared from radar early Thursday morning with 66 people on board.

 

Search and rescue teams, including from Greece, have been deployed to locate the Airbus A320, which appears to have gone missing above the Mediterranean Sea.

 

EgyptAir officials, speaking to the Associated Press on the condition of anonymity, said the plane crashed and that a search for debris was now underway. The "possibility that the plane crashed has been confirmed," as the plane hasn't landed in any of the nearby airports, said the officials.

 

The official said a signal had been picked up from the plane two hours after it disappeared from radar, thought to have been an emergency beacon, a suggestion strenuously denied by Egyptian government officials.

 

The airline itself has not officially confirmed that the plane has gone down.

 

Flight 804 was lost from radar at 2:45 a.m. Cairo time, or 8:45 p.m. ET. Egypt's state newspaper Ahram reported that the last contact with the pilot was about 10 minutes before the aircraft disappeared.

 

The plane, with 56 passengers and 10 crew members on board, took off at 11:09 p.m. local time in Paris from Charles de Gaulle Airport.

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[Rhoda]

It seems like the airline is now acknowledging the disappearance of the flight as evidenced by this Twitter post.

 

It's all very strange. I saw some of the coverage of Reddit and some users have done a great job of keeping all the relevant information/speculation in one thread. I wouldn't like to comment on the legitimacy because I simply don't know enough but people are saying no distress call was made to ATC.

 

Reddit thread.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

Well...gues they are all dead now.

[Aqua]

It's a shame, Just looking on the AIS there are about 8 vessels searching that area....

Edited May 19, 2016 by ~SophisticatedAviator~

[IIVIIinion]

It's very sad that this is becoming a normal thing for planes to go missing at random... I just hope that I am wrong but seems to me like it happens more frequently now.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

It's very sad that this is becoming a normal thing for planes to go missing at random... I just hope that I am wrong but seems to me like it happens more frequently now.

flying in a big passenger plane is still the safest way of transport by far

not trying to sound like a dick, but to be honest, even if this plane crashed with an amount of passengers in the 3 digits on board this still woud not beat the amount of deadly victims that die in regular traffic talking in %.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

this just in...

 

Wreckage found according to Egypt Air VP via CNN

http://www.wcvb.com/national/urgent-egyptair-flight-804-wreckage-found-airline-vice-president-tells-cnn/39628384

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/middleeast/egyptair-flight-disappears/index.html?sr=twCNN051916egyptair-flight-disappears0445PMStoryLink&linkId=24674914

Edited May 19, 2016 by Triple Vacuum Seal

[Spaghetti Cat]

I think we can take a pretty good guess why this plane 'crashed'.

[Stephan90]

I think we can take a pretty good guess why this plane 'crashed'.

 

Really?

[gooeyhole]

I think we can take a pretty good guess why this plane 'crashed'.

Was it shot down?

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

Soon we will know for sure. There is much speculation given the fact that it's EgyptAir. If it was terror-related, then we can't really be shocked. But no terror groups have claimed responsibility afaik. Fortunately, the plane was no where near its capacity.

 

http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News

Edited May 19, 2016 by Triple Vacuum Seal

[018361]

Wow, That's kinda scary seeing how just the other day I decided to watch one of those airline crash investigation videos on YouTube. The plane in the video was also an A320. It had apparently crashed because some water had gotten into an instrument that regulates pitch on both sides of the aircraft. When they were flying it the water inside had frozen over so the instruments couldn't rotate freely anymore thus causing the plane to pitch up at a very steep angle and when the pilot turned the flaps on and put the plane to full throttle it went into a nose-dive and crashed into the ocean.

[El Dildo]

It's very sad that this is becoming a normal thing for planes to go missing at random... I just hope that I am wrong but seems to me like it happens more frequently now.

it's not a "normal" or a "frequent" thing.

 

millions of flights go up and come down safely without incident.

so the extremely rare incidents that there are really stand out.

[Stephan90]

Really odd how the media jump to conclusions so fast.

 

After the Brussels attack "security" at Charles de Gaulles airport was allegedly increased.

 

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160322/france-tightens-security-at-airport-and-stations-after-brussels-blasts

 

ICTS is responsible for security at that airport. Just like for the Brussels airport. Really odd how ICTS so often comes up...

Edited May 19, 2016 by Stephan90

[JON22]

And this is why my feet stay firmly on the ground in the UK. Furthest I've been is Ireland on holiday with my grandparents. Got there by ferry which is technically on the ground except a bit more wet lol.

[Retired Mafia]

i really don't think there was any form of terrorism involved with the dissapearence of this plane. When i hear the media reports they say ''It's very likely that this was a terrorist attack since no mechanical problems were mentioned before take off.'' Which makes sense since else it probably would not have taken off... besides that there're a lot of things that could have gone wrong.

[make total destroy]

I think we can take a pretty good guess why this plane 'crashed'.

What is your crystal ball saying?

[mr quick]

the important bit is that we draw conclusions before we have any evidence for anything at all

[feckyerlife]

i really don't think there was any form of terrorism involved with the dissapearence of this plane. When i hear the media reports they say ''It's very likely that this was a terrorist attack since no mechanical problems were mentioned before take off.'' Which makes sense since else it probably would not have taken off... besides that there're a lot of things that could have gone wrong.

Hillary just said its Terrorism, so it must be

[RedDagger]

And this is why my feet stay firmly on the ground in the UK. Furthest I've been is Ireland on holiday with my grandparents. Got there by ferry which is technically on the ground except a bit more wet lol.

Fun fact: you're far, far more likely to die walking or driving to the ferry terminal than you are to die in a plane crash. Same with chance of injury, either works.

 

So unless you spend your life on a ferry and never walk/use a vehicle, things like this aren't a reason to not fly

[Sombra]

^ iirc its the same guy who wont online shop because muh details will be hacked

 

planes are pretty cool man

[Not A Nice Person]

I think we can take a pretty good guess why this plane 'crashed'.

definition of jumping to conclusions, damn, don't peoples knees hurt?

[Spaghetti Cat]

 

I think we can take a pretty good guess why this plane 'crashed'.

What is your crystal ball saying?

 

You should stop drinking so much and this whole Communism thing isn't really-

 

-Oh you mean about the airliner crash! Yeah my bad. Let's see it could be....

 

A black hole

 

Meteorite

 

Sea monster

 

or, uh, something else...on the tip of my tongue...come on brain work damnit!

[gtamann123]

So I heard that 3 of the passengers on board were air marshals? Is this true? If it is I smell terrorism. The only reason you would have three people from the marshals service in the same flight is of they were transporting someone important. Which would give a terrorist organization a motive to take down this plane.

Edited May 19, 2016 by gtamann123

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

It's very sad that this is becoming a normal thing for planes to go missing at random... I just hope that I am wrong but seems to me like it happens more frequently now.

it's not a "normal" or a "frequent" thing.

 

millions of flights go up and come down safely without incident.

so the extremely rare incidents that there are really stand out.

 

Certainly ain't normal, but unacceptable nonetheless. When that post was made, the plane was presumably lost at sea. Planes going down is one thing. But disappearing altogether should still be rarer than a few times per year. I guess it just seems a bit too casual to accept losing planes as if they are a jacket or house keys.

[sivispacem]

-Oh you mean about the airliner crash! Yeah my bad. Let's see it could be....

 

A black hole

 

Meteorite

 

Sea monster

 

or, uh, something else...on the tip of my tongue...come on brain work damnit!

You are aware of the absolutely terrible safety record of EgyptAir aren't you? They've had numerous pilot error and mechanical incidents in the last 10 years. It's far too early to make assumptions without sounding like an idiot.

[Fooking Rekt]

Hillary just said its Terrorism, so it must be

Yeah, but Hillary is a retard. I find it funny when people believe everything the president or king say.

[Spaghetti Cat]

 

-Oh you mean about the airliner crash! Yeah my bad. Let's see it could be....

 

A black hole

 

Meteorite

 

Sea monster

 

or, uh, something else...on the tip of my tongue...come on brain work damnit!

You are aware of the absolutely terrible safety record of EgyptAir aren't you? They've had numerous pilot error and mechanical incidents in the last 10 years. It's far too early to make assumptions without sounding like an idiot.

 

How dare you jump to conclusions, it was obviously mechanical failure

 

Alright, let's play this game. What mechanical failures would bring down the plane?

 

Rapid Decompression - In some cases the pressure vessel (the round tube that the passengers and crew are in) can become damaged and lead to failure. While it's possible that a rapid decompression could happen, it would be far more likely that it would have happened much earlier in the flight, during the ascent. The pilots (and passengers) have Oxygen masks that they can put on in such a scenario. There's no real indication that there was a decompression or loss of O2.

 

Wing Seperation - This may explain the sudden turn to the left. It's highly, highly, highly unlikely that a wing would separate on it's own or due to maintenance failure. This is the strongest part of the aircraft. It's possible that there was some type of TWA-800 scenario which an empty fuel tank gets a stray spark and explodes. This would go with the witness that saw a flaming streak in the sky during that time. However that was a different type of aircraft and we've had no evidence that any fuel tank issues have occurred in the Airbuses.

 

Engine Failure - Possible that a fan blade could separate and impale the wing. Although the engine mounts are designed to shield from that possibility. If there wasn't any structural damaged caused by a separating blade then the plane would still be able to land on a single engine. Modern two-engine aircraft have the capacity to fly on one engine for several hours.

 

Computer/Pilot Failure - In the Air France crash over the Atlantic a sensor was frozen over which caused misreadings in the cockpit. The pilots fought with the computer, causing a stall, which crashed the plane. We have no indication of bad weather in the area. It appears that the plane broke-up several thousand feet up, which would tend to rule this theory out.

 

Other computer failure - Possible that some computer failed. Say causing a spoiler or flap to engage. Again this would explain the turn to the left. Setting aside the redundancy of the computer systems, you could still adjust engine power to turn on axis. It would still be a flyable plane though. And we have no indication that this failure has occurred on another Airbus.

 

Pilot suicide - Has happened before, including with Egypt Air. But it appears the plane broke-up before hitting the water. I don't think this theory is likely.

 

Other - Always possible that there is a cause that no one has thought of before. However this is a popular aircraft type used everyday around the world. The pilots were experienced and there's no indication of maintenance issues in the past.

 

 

Given that planes don't just fall from the sky, there's only so many possibilities left.

[Sir Michael]

Turns out they found the wreckage. There's no concrete evidence of the use of explosives, so the cause of the plane's demise is still inconslusive: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/20/middleeast/egyptair-flight-804-main/

[Stephan90]

 

 

-Oh you mean about the airliner crash! Yeah my bad. Let's see it could be....

 

A black hole

 

Meteorite

 

Sea monster

 

or, uh, something else...on the tip of my tongue...come on brain work damnit!

You are aware of the absolutely terrible safety record of EgyptAir aren't you? They've had numerous pilot error and mechanical incidents in the last 10 years. It's far too early to make assumptions without sounding like an idiot.

 

How dare you jump to conclusions, it was obviously mechanical failure

 

Alright, let's play this game. What mechanical failures would bring down the plane?

 

Rapid Decompression - In some cases the pressure vessel (the round tube that the passengers and crew are in) can become damaged and lead to failure. While it's possible that a rapid decompression could happen, it would be far more likely that it would have happened much earlier in the flight, during the ascent. The pilots (and passengers) have Oxygen masks that they can put on in such a scenario. There's no real indication that there was a decompression or loss of O2.

 

Wing Seperation - This may explain the sudden turn to the left. It's highly, highly, highly unlikely that a wing would separate on it's own or due to maintenance failure. This is the strongest part of the aircraft. It's possible that there was some type of TWA-800 scenario which an empty fuel tank gets a stray spark and explodes. This would go with the witness that saw a flaming streak in the sky during that time. However that was a different type of aircraft and we've had no evidence that any fuel tank issues have occurred in the Airbuses.

 

Engine Failure - Possible that a fan blade could separate and impale the wing. Although the engine mounts are designed to shield from that possibility. If there wasn't any structural damaged caused by a separating blade then the plane would still be able to land on a single engine. Modern two-engine aircraft have the capacity to fly on one engine for several hours.

 

Computer/Pilot Failure - In the Air France crash over the Atlantic a sensor was frozen over which caused misreadings in the cockpit. The pilots fought with the computer, causing a stall, which crashed the plane. We have no indication of bad weather in the area. It appears that the plane broke-up several thousand feet up, which would tend to rule this theory out.

 

Other computer failure - Possible that some computer failed. Say causing a spoiler or flap to engage. Again this would explain the turn to the left. Setting aside the redundancy of the computer systems, you could still adjust engine power to turn on axis. It would still be a flyable plane though. And we have no indication that this failure has occurred on another Airbus.

 

Pilot suicide - Has happened before, including with Egypt Air. But it appears the plane broke-up before hitting the water. I don't think this theory is likely.

 

Other - Always possible that there is a cause that no one has thought of before. However this is a popular aircraft type used everyday around the world. The pilots were experienced and there's no indication of maintenance issues in the past.

 

 

Given that planes don't just fall from the sky, there's only so many possibilities left.

 

 

You forgot remote controlled highjacking