State of gta forum moderation

[SaltyGTAFMember]

With the announcement of a new adversary mode a majority of bitchng an moaning occured. The most shocking part is the lack of moderation, more like the blunt showcase of bias ism shown here. Its not there is limited moderation but multiple times there is a back turned against this. This needs to be addressed since this issuehave been going on for years.

[shadowoperative]

There are only a few mods and thousands of whiny entitled squeakers.

 

They don't have enough fingers to plug all those holes.

[livejoker]

This should go well.

If you want to play an active part in "cleaning" the forums up, simply Report a thread and the GtaF staff will take care of the rest.

[CUTS3R]

The "lack of moderation" will surely lock that thread really soon... Hopefully.

Edited May 3, 2016 by CUTS3R

[Pete4000uk]

Oooh don't poke the hornets nest!!!!

[VanessaMagick]

While I don't necessarily disagree that there is a lack of moderation (people can still spam this board with gay porn and all kinds of stuff for hours before a mod response), this isn't the place to discuss it and this thread will soon vanish.

[shadowoperative]

This should go well.

 

If you want to play an active part in "cleaning" the forums up, simply Report a thread and the GtaF staff will take care of the rest.

They do a good job. Every time they squash an ant 10 more replace it.

 

I report often. I am like Brendan Fraser standing on a desert hill.

[jdv95]

this thread will soon get some moderating alright..

[RedDagger]

Bitching isn't against the rules, but I'd like to add that even if the posts you're referring to are against the rules, we can't be everywhere at once...reporting posts is what you should be doing if you feel a post is breaking the rules.

[Guest]

I might be new but I don't see the problem with people speaking their mind in a negative manner on different topics (or "bitching and moaning" as it seems to be christened) instead of shoving it in one big irrelevant thread.

[Retired Mafia]

I might be new but I don't see the problem with people speaking their mind in a negative manner on different topics (or "bitching and moaning" as it seems to be christened) instead of shoving it in one big irrelevant thread.

As without 1 big thread you would have about 10 threads everyday among the lines of "Today i went online in gta v, and i was jetgriefed, rockstar should nerf jets". Most of the times these kind of threads are only ment to share a story of something that a person dislikes, instead of trying to find out other people's opinions on the subject and discuss it.

[Kirsty]

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying we're biased because we let people bitch and moan? Or are you saying lots of people are breaking rules and we aren't taking action?

[SaltyGTAFMember]

Lock threads to bitch and moan yet others walk away do the exact thing;

Perfect example: http://gtaforums.com/topic/853329-in-and-out-week-april-29-may-5-double-gta-rp-playlists-discounts-and-new-adversary-mode-in-and-out-coming-this-tuesday/

First page nothing but moaning, I'm not going to report anything since my reports get thrown away yet if somewhat report me and it did not break any rules I get moderation.

 

Redirecting me to report this or that but nothing gets done since it's a topic the forum likes to moan about, perfect example would be the moaning about removal of outfits which took days to get locked to another topic instana locked for the very same reason.

[RedDagger]

Threads get locked for b&m if someone makes a thread that should just be a post in the megathread, there's nothing wrong with complaining about stuff in their respective threads like the one you linked, not exactly sure why those posts should be removed?

 

In this case, yes, the report would be completed without taking any action because no rules are being broken, and if you feel you get moderation without breaking any rules pm a mod/admin or ask about it in forum support.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

http://gtaforums.com/topic/853114-piracy-prevention-fckery/

perfect example

 

Nothing constructive in that adversary page 1, nothing but "I dont like it, **** mode, rockstar lazy for this *****"

 

The exact thing as this thread I linked which did get locked for that same reason, no mega thread on behavior in that mode.

[Kirsty]

The pinned topic is an announcement/news thread so there is going to be feedback, good or bad, inside it. This is a forum so it makes zero sense to make people leave the topic and post in another when their posts are actually relevant and on-topic, even if you disagree with them or if they are not very well constructed. If you think they are rule-breaking posts, then you report them to be dealt with by staff.

 

The other topic you linked is a complaint thread. It's down to the discretion of the staff member who sees it first whether they will lock it or not. Some of them evolve into a proper discussion and so are left, others just contain one liners so are locked. I'm not really sure what you are suggesting here.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

This should go well.

 

If you want to play an active part in "cleaning" the forums up, simply Report a thread and the GtaF staff will take care of the rest.

indeed.

i report anything that i think is a bitch and moan duplicate or a wishlist duplicate or some other dead beaten horse

 

verry often those threads get in fact locked soon....if not....well im not gonna tell moderators how to do their work....they are suposed to know what they shoud do and the main isue i think is that they simply just cant be everywhere

this forum is way bigger then just the online section btw....it seems people often forget that

[SaltyGTAFMember]

Now if you think moderators dont need criticism then in that case when hou get banned from gta you cant fight it. I see every day when you and other basically tell the developers how to do their jobs, I dont like hypocrisy neither do anyone else. I see nothing wrong with calling out this behavior, Like I said before I know they cant mod the entire thread but BUT certain threads dont get moderated like others do. Obviously "mega threads" isnt viable because when th e moaning about garages start to happen there are 3 + active threads at the same time. It took 2 years for enforcement of "I cant login psn" on gta online section to be remove yet when its another console or "pc" it gets locked because its not related to gta online section not even redirected to the correct section. I can formulate the bias behavior toward specfic issues, so you report x thread it gets removed even EVEN if it doest break any rules then get a generic " message".

 

The arguement that if you report it then it gets looked into, speculation isnt a valid point. This can be backed up with data suggesting these actions from just a year. The forum is a big place yet some threads get instant locked yet others remain active for weeks which it takes 1 sec to view the first page. You cannot make the same old excuses for years on out, this is a constructive criticism toward moderation of the forums. Non constructive posts are spam and the reason bitch and moan exist so why does some spam get through. Spam is against the rules hence the multiple responses from moderators about just using pictures in post and also debating about heist percentages being considered "trolling".

 

In the end does it really hurt to post this instead of the recent "gta is doing bad since these new adversary modes", its a new approach from rockstar.The irony is the same ones who claim updates are free are also complaining about it now.

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

Mods do a great job credit where due (they put the leash on me lol)

[SWEETSAPRIK]

wat?

[RedDagger]

I can't really understand a lot of your post, I don't think it'd hurt to spend a bit of time making sure it's legible...

 

 

It took 2 years for enforcement of "I cant login psn" on gta online section to be remove yet when its another console or "pc" it gets locked because its not related to gta online section not even redirected to the correct section. I can formulate the bias behavior toward specfic issues, so you report x thread it gets removed even EVEN if it doest break any rules then get a generic " message".

I'm not really sure what you're referring to here, do you have any examples? Generally the lock post will also say why the thread was locked, if that helps.

 

 

The arguement that if you report it then it gets looked into, speculation isnt a valid point. This can be backed up with data suggesting these actions from just a year. The forum is a big place yet some threads get instant locked yet others remain active for weeks which it takes 1 sec to view the first page.

Response to reports varies depending on how many staff members are actively online. If a thread remains active for weeks, either no one has reported it or no action needs to be taken.

 

 

Non constructive posts are spam and the reason bitch and moan exist so why does some spam get through. Spam is against the rules hence the multiple responses from moderators about just using pictures in post and also debating about heist percentages being considered "trolling".

Requiring every post to be wholly constructive is something only really done in D&D, the only requirement for posts is that they have some substance which is why image posts and the like get removed.

 

Again, the bitch and moan megathread exists because people liked to make lots of threads just to vent - it's not a bin for every negative post. That'd be dumb.

[Raavi]

 

 

Like I said before I know they cant mod the entire thread but BUT certain threads dont get moderated like others do.

 

Every single thread is subject to moderation and we will intervene wherever the need arises, preferably so in the early stages as to nip things in the bud and/or deescalate instead of clean up afterwords. However there is a huge difference between moderating a thread removing rule breaking posts and responding with appropriate punitive measures, and policing people's opinions. Going by your plea, to the extent it's legible enough to make any real sense of it, you want us to do the latter, which simply just isn't going to happen.

[Ryan]

Contrary to what you seem to think, we are not robots where everything is either black or white. As humans, we live in a grey world. The forum rules are the forum rules, however my interpretation of what exactly constitutes an infraction of a specific forum rule likely differs from other moderator's interpretation the forum rules. As we all have slightly different interpretations of what constitutes an infraction of a specific forum rule, the type of action taken also differs. What I might consider a seriousness enough infraction to warrant a permanent ban, another moderator may only consider it worthy of a warning.

 

There are many factors to consider in how each person moderators and how we collectively moderate the forums as a whole. Your opinion that there is a lack of moderation because everyone moderates differently is naive.

[*Lola]

With the announcement of a new adversary mode a majority of bitchng an moaning occured. The most shocking part is the lack of moderation, more like the blunt showcase of bias ism shown here. Its not there is limited moderation but multiple times there is a back turned against this. This needs to be addressed since this issuehave been going on for years.

Become a backseat mod, report report report. Just like tattletales on the school playground.

Then you'll get to be teachers pet.LOL

Edited May 4, 2016 by *Lola

[Jammsbro]

I've never had a problem with them. Any time they've deleted something of mine it's been for a fair reason and they've been okay with me.

 

I think that good moderation is invisible moderation.

 

I used to visit a forum, was a member for years and the mods were very heavy handed. They really liked yout o know that they were mods. That little bit of "power".

[PhillBellic]

I think the Staff here do a Great Job. I don't have any problems with them.

[Eram]

Sure, all staff suck, but where would you be if no sucking staff was around?..

 

Afaik, most issues were swiftly dealt sooner rather then latter, apart from some instant page filling bots every now and then.

 

Like some said before, some wide berth is often given if/when appropriate, it's a forum right?

There're those that are more sensitive, while others are strict, others like to mess with you but most have that sense of humor (mostly on locks) that always made me come back.

 

Deal with it or just Log Out!

[SaltyGTAFMember]

 

Like I said before I know they cant mod the entire thread but BUT certain threads dont get moderated like others do.

 

Every single thread is subject to moderation and we will intervene wherever the need arises, preferably so in the early stages as to nip things in the bud and/or deescalate instead of clean up afterwords. However there is a huge difference between moderating a thread removing rule breaking posts and responding with appropriate punitive measures, and policing people's opinions. Going by your plea, to the extent it's legible enough to make any real sense of it, you want us to do the latter, which simply just isn't going to happen.

 

You mean "what I feel " get's locked and not going by the book with a unbias judgement.

 

Your avoiding answer why are some topics have dupe threads and other get locked asap.

 

People break a bunch of rules but I'll let it slide since I want this to change even if 2 rules are broken.

 

It's not what I want, it is what is fair.

[RedDagger]

Your avoiding answer why are some topics have dupe threads and other get locked asap.

Either they're different enough to stay open, or they've been missed by the staff and no one's reported them.

If you feel there's a duplicate thread, report it, preferably with a link to the existing topic so we don't have to hunt for it, and it'll get locked/merged if it's similar enough.

 

 

People break a bunch of rules but I'll let it slide

lol

[Rhoda]

Call me slow but I'm still struggling to see what the issue that needs addressing actually is.