What Will Get You To Play Jobs More?

[Azirah]

GTA is a roleplaying game in my opinion - just stop f*cking attacking everything I say no matter what thread. You could see me eating a piece of chicken and you'd be like 'no, you're supposed to take the skin off first. Damn you to hell!' Jesus Christ.

 

You are not correct and you seriously need to stop with this I'm right about everything attitude. No one on this Earth is correct about everything.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Alisha Nicole

[XenoxX]

GTA is a roleplaying game in my opinion - just stop f*cking attacking everything I say no matter what thread. You could see me eating a piece of chicken and you'd be like 'no, you're supposed to take the skin off first. Damn you to hell!' Jesus Christ.

I am not "attacking" anyone, if you cannot live with your point being argued about, the forum may not be the right choice for you.

 

I am trying to argue/defeat opposed points, that is part of said "lobbying".

I debunk every other point of view so mine will be the one which prevails in the end.

Edited May 3, 2016 by XenoxX

[Azirah]

 

GTA is a roleplaying game in my opinion - just stop f*cking attacking everything I say no matter what thread. You could see me eating a piece of chicken and you'd be like 'no, you're supposed to take the skin off first. Damn you to hell!' Jesus Christ.

I am not "attacking" anyone, if you cannot live with your point being argued about, the forum may not be the right choice for you.

 

I am trying to argue/defeat opposed points, that is part of said "lobbying".

I debunk every other point of view so mine will be the one which prevails in the end.

LOLLLLL NO. Stop right there. Every f*cking time I post in a thread, you always have a negative counter argument which quickly turns into sh*t because you can't contain your narcissism. Debunking people's point of views because you think yours is right is just straight up dumb and you will get nowhere in life.

[Hunter]

Xeno, it does seem like every time I go on these forums, anything Alisha posts about immediately has you quoting it and saying it's wrong for whatever reason.

 

I don't see you doing that with everything else (even if you are very pro-Rockstar), so to be honest it really looks like you just have it in for her.

[Creme_Brulee]

Dedicated servers and no cloud sightseeing.

That'd fix or tone down a lot of problems such as lag or slow loading times, getting disconnected (yeah, sometimes it can be the user's sh*tty internet's fault, but not always) and probably it'd make sending invites quicker/instantaneous.

[XenoxX]

Xeno, it does seem like every time I go on these forums, anything Alisha posts about immediately has you quoting it and saying it's wrong for whatever reason.

 

I don't see you doing that with everything else (even if you are very pro-Rockstar), so to be honest it really looks like you just have it in for her.

Then you need to open your eyes, sir.

I quoted "Mr Zombley" not "Alisha Nicole".

 

After that, she initiated a discussion.

 

Also you seriously need to get your "grouping" together, this isn't parliament, and we aren't two parties "pro-rockstar", "con-Rockstar".

This is a forum and the only thing or mind I am arguing for is my own, so I am basicly "Pro-Xenox".

 

 

 

you will get nowhere in life.

I got pretty far with that allready, but as you said I will "stop" right here.

 

 

Since in the end grinding is the wrong way to play GTA Online, even The Benz the former Lead President of Rockstar North said that in an interview.

Edited May 3, 2016 by XenoxX

[Azirah]

No, you quoted what I said about how grinding for cash in this game was playing the game wrong. You said something to ME first.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Alisha Nicole

[dewtech]

I'll play them when I feel like it, money and RP doesn't play a part, just some days I'm in the mood to play a mode and will.

[R3CON]

Grinding is just part of the reality of GTA Online. Sure, you can provide variety into how specifically you go about earning your cash. But however you slice it, you do have to grind to get what you want legitimately.

 

Maybe the term "grind" is negative. It implies it's not fun or repetitive. I've had plenty fun ranking up and earning money through various jobs - races, survivals, heists, missions, DMs etc. Its still a grind though. Maybe it can be called "work" instead. But you have to "work" for your money in GTA or you simply can't afford to enjoy everything the game has to offer. If I don't grind work, my broke ass is gonna be at a disadvantage.

 

Even if all you do if muck about in free roam, bullets cost money. Armor costs money. Some rims cost more than actual vehicles. This is the whole, shark cards vs modded accounts vs "play legit" debate. If you're gonna play legit you gotta grind "work" for cash.

 

Maybe this is why they're called "Jobs" in the first place.

 

GTA Online is too reliant on expensive items for obvious reasons (S.C.) and we know I'm not talking about social club. The least they could do is throw us a bone (double RP & Cash). It helps when we get it, but when they take it away it's not unreasonable to assume players will lose interest. Hence the poll and the question.

[XenoxX]

No, you quoted what I said about how grinding for cash in this game was playing the game wrong.

So you were the intitiater, yet you BLAME ME, for jumping on you?

What the actual f*ck, the hypocrisy is real.

[Hunter]

Then you need to open your eyes, sir.

 

 

I quoted "Mr Zombley" not "Alisha Nicole".

 

After that, she initiated a discussion.

 

 

Well I've just taken another look - seems you were quoting Mr Zombley, who was in turn quoting Alisha and agreeing with her. So, in essence, it's just another case of you arguing with her points for some reason.

 

I just don't get it. Every single day, without fail. Is there something offensive about her that I'm missing lol?

 

Oh, and I remember Rockstar making a statement about how grinding is a legitimate thing, back in the early days, when people were asking.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Azirah]

 

No, you quoted what I said about how grinding for cash in this game was playing the game wrong.

So you were the intitiater, yet you BLAME ME, for jumping on you?

What the actual f*ck, the hypocrisy is real.

The thing is, I was never the initiater because I WAS NEVER SPEAKING TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. You started saying how I'm playing the game wrong and I of course, said my opinion and you had to start with your sh*t posting. So again, stop now.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

 

 

Rockstar has added the option to do VIP work - don't get how that's not catering to people who 'grind' when you can grind the hell out of VIP work / contact missions / sell a car and make a million a day. If you hated invites from Noobtop Fumble so much, maybe you should have hosted your OWN contact missions?

Players would have left, because Rooftop Rumble would make more money.

 

Also VIP Work is the wholy grail of Free Roam mayhem, grinders might abuse it in their Private Lobbies, but it doesn't affect me, I play in 30 Player Lobbies and have great fun doing VIP missions and Free Mode Events, which feature a whole set of PvP and PvE aspects.

In the end I am happy R* caters to me, and not to others, makes me hope they didn't lost their path.

Once GTA Online turns into a RPG, the game will officially be dead, luckily it is moving in the opposite direction.

Um, gta basically is a role playing game? And rockstar doesn't just cater to YOU, lmao. You're the 1% of the whole community just how I am. If players 'left' then find some friends on the forums and grind missions with them. You make things more complicated than they actually need to be.

 

3 out of 4 Updates they released in 2015, entirely catered to ME, I don't care if it is intentional or not, I like the direction GTA Online is moving in and I certainly don't care if the "Majority" wants to turn it into a RPG.

And NO, GTA is NOT a Role playing game...it has some very minor role playing elements, but it is certainly not a RPG.

 

In the end it is people like me, who lobby for Rockstar, that will decide which direction GTA Online moves into.

I have sent them multiple Emails to their "Moutout" email now and they answered some of them allready, I am pretty happy to see that R* is listening[to me] and hope that it only means good for GTA Onlines future.

So it can one day develop into the ultimate Free Roam PvP + PvE experience with structured objectives and chaos.

 

Please, enough with the egotistical and narcissistic talk, and stop acting like you represent and speak for the majority of the GTA community.

 

WHAT!?!

 

I literally told you that I don't CARE about the "Majority".

Also you are just pissed that I debunked your definition of grinding?

Because in the end, I am correct, GTA Online was never meant for grinding, and that is a good thing.

 

Under what basis do your form your definition exactly? Your definition is asinine. ''Grinding means not playing for fun!''. That's absurd. Did you pull that definition out of your ass or something?

 

And yes, you do act like you represent the whole community because apparently, Rockstar listens to you, and you're the one that decides where GTA Online goes, as you've said in your post.

 

''You're right and everybody else is wrong. Stop playing this way because I disagree with it for my own silly reasons.''

 

That's an egotistical and narcissistic mindset right there, but your kind obviously won't see that, and so as a result won't admit it.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Fearx--

[fear_the_nut70]

Polling 101-- you can't have a poll with so few options that it doesn't cover the array of likely and/or possible responses (which is why you often see an "other" option)..

 

This poll assumes that you need extra incentive to play the missions, which, judging by the invites I get, isn't the case for everyone. For me, I don't play them nearly as often, but when I have friends on that want to play them, that is enough for me. What button do I click to register this vote?

 

Please do us a favor, if you don't know how to create a valid poll, don't create one.

Edited May 3, 2016 by fear_the_nut70

[XenoxX]

Grinding is just part of the reality of GTA Online. Sure, you can provide variety into how specifically you go about earning your cash. But however you slice it, you do have to grind to get what you want legitimately.

 

Maybe the term "grind" is negative. It implies it's not fun or repetitive. I've had plenty fun ranking up and earning money through various jobs - races, survivals, heists, missions, DMs etc. Its still a grind though. Maybe it can be called "work" instead. But you have to "work" for your money in GTA or you simply can't afford to enjoy everything the game has to offer. If I don't grind work, my broke ass is gonna be at a disadvantage.

 

Even if all you do if muck about in free roam, bullets cost money. Armor costs money. Some rims cost more than actual vehicles. This is the whole, shark cards vs modded accounts vs "play legit" debate. If you're gonna play legit you gotta grind "work" for cash.

 

Maybe this is why they're called "Jobs" in the first place.

 

GTA Online is too reliant on expensive items for obvious reasons (S.C.) and we know I'm not talking about social club. The least they could do is throw us a bone (double RP & Cash). It helps when we get it, but when they take it away it's not unreasonable to assume players will lose interest. Hence the poll and the question.

I overall agree, but as you said there is significant difference between "grinding" and "working".

One can play the game, have fun with a VARIETY of Missions, Free Mode Events, VIP Missions, Adversary Modes and Deathmatches WHILE earning their money.

 

Or one can play the game, play the same mission all over again and again and again TO earn money.

 

The second one is(luckily) not supported in GTA Online anymore.

[dewtech]

Grinding is a part, but if people get into the mindset of not doing it for the money then actually it's fun. Some of the best sessions I've had with the crew have been doing missions, so it's a form of grinding but with a couple of other people, headsets and forgetting about making the most money possible, it's easy to have a really good laugh for two hours, make some decent dollar and it not feel like a second job.

[XenoxX]

 

 

No, you quoted what I said about how grinding for cash in this game was playing the game wrong.

So you were the intitiater, yet you BLAME ME, for jumping on you?

What the actual f*ck, the hypocrisy is real.

The thing is, I was never the initiater because I WAS NEVER SPEAKING TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. You started saying how I'm playing the game wrong and I of course, said my opinion and you had to start with your sh*t posting. So again, stop now.

 

I started saying how GRINDERS play the game wrong, I wasn't reffering to you at all.

It was a general point, I made.

 

 

Under what basis do your form your definition exactly? Your definition is asinine. ''Grinding means not playing for fun!''. That's absurd. Did you pull that definition out of your ass or something?

 

And yes, you do act like you represent the whole community because apparently, Rockstar listens to you, and you're the one that decides where GTA Online goes, as you've said in your post.

 

You're right and everybody else is wrong.

My definition is pulled straight from Wikipedia, grinding literally means playing a repetetive activity in the context of a video game.

 

 

Then you need to open your eyes, sir.

 

 

I quoted "Mr Zombley" not "Alisha Nicole".

 

After that, she initiated a discussion.

 

 

Well I've just taken another look - seems you were quoting Mr Zombley, who was in turn quoting Alisha and agreeing with her. So, in essence, it's just another case of you arguing with her points for some reason.

 

I just don't get it. Every single day, without fail. Is there something offensive about her that I'm missing lol?

 

Oh, and I remember Rockstar making a statement about how grinding is a legitimate thing, back in the early days, when people were asking.

 

Again, my post was aimed at the people who grind in general, not against a specific user, to claim such thing is pure assumption.

[Azirah]

LOL, but I made a valid point about how it shouldn't matter how someone plays the game and you came sh*t posting. I didn't say anything wrong??? Just stop coming into every thread I'm in and having a negative counter argument.

[XenoxX]

Grinding is a part, but if people get into the mindset of not doing it for the money then actually it's fun. Some of the best sessions I've had with the crew have been doing missions, so it's a form of grinding but with a couple of other people, headsets and forgetting about making the most money possible, it's easy to have a really good laugh for two hours, make some decent dollar and it not feel like a second job.

Exactly, 100% this.

 

It is about the mindset people aproach certain things with.

Unfortunately people aproach with a (in my opinion) wrong mindset if they think that grinding the same mission over and over is actualy a good thing which should be supported by the developer.

It isn't, and I am pretty damn happy it isn't.

LOL, but I made a valid point about how it shouldn't matter how someone plays the game and you came sh*t posting. I didn't say anything wrong??? Just stop coming into every thread I'm in and having a negative counter argument.

I was the FIRST one to post in this thread, I DID NOT reffer to your post at all, YOU initiated a discussion.

So what exactly should I stop with?

Stop posting in threads you post in? Because that is not going to happen.

I am not "sh*tposting" I am correct.

 

Grinding is the wrong way and the wrong mindset to play such a game, in my opinion and LUCKILY in the developers opinion as well.

[Azirah]

If grinding wasn't supported by the developer - they would remove contact missions, they wouldn't let us vote a new mission on the select mission screen after completing and they wouldn't allow VIP work to be done in invite only. Again, here you go again being ignorant.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Grinding is just part of the reality of GTA Online. Sure, you can provide variety into how specifically you go about earning your cash. But however you slice it, you do have to grind to get what you want legitimately.

 

Maybe the term "grind" is negative. It implies it's not fun or repetitive. I've had plenty fun ranking up and earning money through various jobs - races, survivals, heists, missions, DMs etc. Its still a grind though. Maybe it can be called "work" instead. But you have to "work" for your money in GTA or you simply can't afford to enjoy everything the game has to offer. If I don't grind work, my broke ass is gonna be at a disadvantage.

 

Even if all you do if muck about in free roam, bullets cost money. Armor costs money. Some rims cost more than actual vehicles. This is the whole, shark cards vs modded accounts vs "play legit" debate. If you're gonna play legit you gotta grind "work" for cash.

 

Maybe this is why they're called "Jobs" in the first place.

 

GTA Online is too reliant on expensive items for obvious reasons (S.C.) and we know I'm not talking about social club. The least they could do is throw us a bone (double RP & Cash). It helps when we get it, but when they take it away it's not unreasonable to assume players will lose interest. Hence the poll and the question.

I overall agree, but as you said there is significant difference between "grinding" and "working".

One can play the game, have fun with a VARIETY of Missions, Free Mode Events, VIP Missions, Adversary Modes and Deathmatches WHILE earning their money.

 

Or one can play the game, play the same mission all over again and again and again TO earn money.

 

The second one is(luckily) not supported in GTA Online anymore.

 

I don't think grinding means playing the same exact missions over and over again. Once again, your definition is skewed. But if someone wants to play the same missions over again, why would it affect you? Please, enlighten me, since you're the authority of GTA Online and is the one who dictates how others should play, of course.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Fearx--

[R3CON]

 

 

 

Grinding is just part of the reality of GTA Online. Sure, you can provide variety into how specifically you go about earning your cash. But however you slice it, you do have to grind to get what you want legitimately.

 

Maybe the term "grind" is negative. It implies it's not fun or repetitive. I've had plenty fun ranking up and earning money through various jobs - races, survivals, heists, missions, DMs etc. Its still a grind though. Maybe it can be called "work" instead. But you have to "work" for your money in GTA or you simply can't afford to enjoy everything the game has to offer. If I don't grind work, my broke ass is gonna be at a disadvantage.

 

Even if all you do if muck about in free roam, bullets cost money. Armor costs money. Some rims cost more than actual vehicles. This is the whole, shark cards vs modded accounts vs "play legit" debate. If you're gonna play legit you gotta grind "work" for cash.

 

Maybe this is why they're called "Jobs" in the first place.

 

GTA Online is too reliant on expensive items for obvious reasons (S.C.) and we know I'm not talking about social club. The least they could do is throw us a bone (double RP & Cash). It helps when we get it, but when they take it away it's not unreasonable to assume players will lose interest. Hence the poll and the question.

 

I overall agree, but as you said there is significant difference between "grinding" and "working".

One can play the game, have fun with a VARIETY of Missions, Free Mode Events, VIP Missions, Adversary Modes and Deathmatches WHILE earning their money.

 

Or one can play the game, play the same mission all over again and again and again TO earn money.

 

The second one is(luckily) not supported in GTA Online anymore.

The point of the work vs grind terminology is to underline the frivolity of this debate. These are just semantics. You say grind, I say work. But at the end of the day, the reality is the same.

 

How you personally spend your time grinding and what jobs you choose to earn money and RP isn't the issue. Its the fact that we continuously have to keep this hustle up to enjoy the fruits of the game. Nothing is inherently wrong with that. But that's how it is.

Edited May 3, 2016 by ikaR3CON

[XenoxX]

 

I don't think grinding means playing the same exact missions over and over again. Once again, your definition is skewed. But if someone wants to play the same missions over again, why would it affect you? Please, enlighten me.

 

If grinding wasn't supported by the developer - they would remove contact missions, they wouldn't let us vote a new mission on the select mission screen after completing and they wouldn't allow VIP work to be done in invite only. Again, here you go again being ignorant

So maybe it is down to the definition,

 

My definition of grinding in GTA Online, playing or doing the same mission/activitiy over and over again.

If you don't "accept" that definiton, lets call it Grinding(X) for now.

 

So how does EVERYONE playing the same mission over and over again affect me you say?

 

Simple, if I want to search for a random mission with random players it would ALLWAYS match me with the very same mission and after completing that mission people would leave to do it again.

I have experienced this back in the days and it was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE experience.

[Hunter]

Short of cheating (which grinding absolutely isn't), how can there be a "wrong way" to play a video game?

 

Just because it's not your way, that doesn't mean it's a "wrong" way.

[Arrows to Athens]

If grinding wasn't supported by the developer - they would remove contact missions, they wouldn't let us vote a new mission on the select mission screen after completing and they wouldn't allow VIP work to be done in invite only. Again, here you go again being ignorant.

Yeah, and if they really wanted us to play more variety of missions, they would give back some of the missions ones as well as add more missions. Playing the same missions over again is a choice, but I'm pretty sure we don't mean constantly playing the exact same missions again when we say 'grinding', which XenoxX thinks is the case.

[XenoxX]

 

 

 

Grinding is just part of the reality of GTA Online. Sure, you can provide variety into how specifically you go about earning your cash. But however you slice it, you do have to grind to get what you want legitimately.

 

Maybe the term "grind" is negative. It implies it's not fun or repetitive. I've had plenty fun ranking up and earning money through various jobs - races, survivals, heists, missions, DMs etc. Its still a grind though. Maybe it can be called "work" instead. But you have to "work" for your money in GTA or you simply can't afford to enjoy everything the game has to offer. If I don't grind work, my broke ass is gonna be at a disadvantage.

 

Even if all you do if muck about in free roam, bullets cost money. Armor costs money. Some rims cost more than actual vehicles. This is the whole, shark cards vs modded accounts vs "play legit" debate. If you're gonna play legit you gotta grind "work" for cash.

 

Maybe this is why they're called "Jobs" in the first place.

 

GTA Online is too reliant on expensive items for obvious reasons (S.C.) and we know I'm not talking about social club. The least they could do is throw us a bone (double RP & Cash). It helps when we get it, but when they take it away it's not unreasonable to assume players will lose interest. Hence the poll and the question.

 

I overall agree, but as you said there is significant difference between "grinding" and "working".

One can play the game, have fun with a VARIETY of Missions, Free Mode Events, VIP Missions, Adversary Modes and Deathmatches WHILE earning their money.

 

Or one can play the game, play the same mission all over again and again and again TO earn money.

 

The second one is(luckily) not supported in GTA Online anymore.

The point of the work vs grind terminology is to underline the frivolity of this debate. These are just semantics. You say grind, I say work. But at the end of the day, the reality is the same.

 

How you personally spend your time grinding and what jobs you choose to earn money and RP isn't the issue. Its the fact that we continuously have to keep this hustle up to enjoy the fruits of the game. Nothing is inherently wrong with that. But that's how it is.

 

Well, the ultimate experience is very different, the OUTCOME basicly.

 

For me, playing a mission, doing an Adversary Mode, doing Heists or playing Free Mode Events(in a full lobby) are the "fruits of the game", sure I wil earn money, ammo etc. along with it, but the point is I don't play FOR said ammo, I play for FUN in the activities.

In the end I get payed MONEY AND FUN, and they get payed...money(maybe more money).

[dewtech]

I think I pretty much got the same view as XenonX on this, redoing the same mission over and over and over (I remember those days, Rooftop Rumble 41 times in a session!) is not a good way.

 

Usually what we do is just start a mission we like and then stick to the tiles, try and vary it a lot so it doesn't become too repetitive.

[XenoxX]

Short of cheating (which grinding absolutely isn't), how can there be a "wrong way" to play a video game?

 

Just because it's not your way, that doesn't mean it's a "wrong" way.

it is the "wrong way", in my honest opinion.

It of course, isn't the objectively "wrong way", but it is the "wrong way" as the developer and I think.

In this case I am reffering to grinding(X).

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

I don't think grinding means playing the same exact missions over and over again. Once again, your definition is skewed. But if someone wants to play the same missions over again, why would it affect you? Please, enlighten me.

 

If grinding wasn't supported by the developer - they would remove contact missions, they wouldn't let us vote a new mission on the select mission screen after completing and they wouldn't allow VIP work to be done in invite only. Again, here you go again being ignorant

So maybe it is down to the definition,

 

My definition of grinding in GTA Online, playing or doing the same mission/activitiy over and over again.

If you don't "accept" that definiton, lets call it Grinding(X) for now.

 

So how does EVERYONE playing the same mission over and over again affect me you say?

 

Simple, if I want to search for a random mission with random players it would ALLWAYS match me with the very same mission and after completing that mission people would leave to do it again.

I have experienced this back in the days and it was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE experience.

 

What mission do you keep getting in anyway? In LG, I get into a large variety of different missions, and I play tons of missions daily. No one ever plays the exact same missions over and over again. That was before the payout system change, dude.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Fearx--

[Azirah]

No one ever said anything about doing the same missions over and over. Grinding (and what others meant) is doing one contact mission and doing others as they appear on the selection screen after completing a mission for an hour or 2.

 

No one literally said do Pac Standard and Noobtop Fumble all day.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Alisha Nicole