what is cheating?

[BoJack Cognac]

Here's the thing. I play the same way as the guy in question.
The difference is I don't brag about it and I don't talk sh¡t to players who can't kill me. Because let's face it - I don't give them a fair fight.
When I fire a rocket at a player and select "Kill Yourself" while the rocket is in the air, and my character drops dead on the spot due to the reloading action of the RPG moving my character's body, I don't laugh and tell the player he sucks. And when I respawn and go into Passive Mode immediately and players say "Oh, my God. You play like a bitch", my response isn't to say "I'm beating you". My response is to say "I know. I never said I played like everyone else". Simple as that.

[Nutduster]

I don't consider passive abuse or killing yourself cheating, I consider it more of a bitch move.

Both are exploits of mechanics not intended to be used the way people use them. But I only blame Rockstar. They've had two and a half years to address these issues, and never have. It's stunning that, at the very minimum, they've never thought to add substantial cooldowns to both options, when there are cooldown timers on damn near everything else.

[Hunter]

 

But is it fair for someone that died to re-enter the battle with full health and no police while the killer has police and depleted health?

 

I stand and deliver myself but I can see how the suiciders see a loss of health/police attention as an unfair advantage themselves.

 

That's taking things out of context.

 

Suiciding whenever you take a single bullet/get a scratch, and suiciding at the same time as firing a rocket, etc. are very different things to suiciding when the cops are all over you.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Coleco]

Cheating is to play outside the confines of the game (or game world)'s rules. This would include things like godmode mods and wallbreaches - changing the properties or values of in-game objects to your own advantage while everyone else plays the 'vanilla' game around you.

 

'Easy Way Out' addicts or Passive Mode switchers aren't cheating. They're exploiting systems that exist within the game that were put in place by the original development team. Players may not like how some people use these systems as "tactics" but they're not engaging in anything that has been expressly forbidden or restricted by the game world. They're bending rules rather than breaking them.

 

Additionally, all I can think of after reading the thread title is a clip from the BBC's educational video parody Look Around You:

 

 

(Well, that and one of my favourite 90s dance tracks in the form of

, but Dew beat me to that one)

 

 

[LincolnClay]

Cheating bad. Humans do all the time. Strong upset...

No seriously, going into passive isnt really cheating...it's more of a backup when things go wrong...

Still, I wouldn't recommend going passive every 5 seconds. Then, you're just a coward...

[dewtech]

 

(Well, that and one of my favourite 90s dance tracks in the form of

, but Dew beat me to that one)

 

My one hope is that at least one person is now stuck with that in their head for the rest of the day!

Edited May 2, 2016 by dewtech_2008

[Sky_Light12]

mod/trainer dwarfs anything on OP's list

[Aznknight]

If you're talking about that Nexko or whatever his name is, then no. He is not cheating. He is cleverly exploiting a game mechanic. It is a free for all and you can use the same tactic. However, there are unwritten honor codes withing the game. A culture, perhaps.

 

If I'm in a freeroam battle against someone, I will not spawn in passive to get away or to hop on a hydra/jet only to go off passive once I've gain an upper hand. There will be players who do this.

 

What I'm simply saying is this: There's cheating and there's being a coward.

He is not a cheater. He is a coward.

Like those sniveling weasels in movies who would pretend to give up only to shoot back once the hero lets his guard down. That's him/those types of players.

 

And he proudly claims it too.

Edited May 2, 2016 by aznknight69

[ten-a-penny]

Since there is no third option (eg. I'm neutral/depends/etc) on the second question, I'll just go on the first.

 

 

Cheating is altering a game's code to your liking. so that you'll gain UNfair advantage on people. As in, wearing a mask with a hat is not cheating, but wearing an invisible outfit does. Abusing the Pussy Mode/Suicide option is a dick move (another thing that I couldn't vote for in the first question), but its legitimate.

 

Turning something to something that'll give you advantage WITHOUT editing the game's code is abusing. Altering the game's code so that you're having an advantage (be it through a glitch or by "modding") is cheating. That's the difference, IMO.

[AUScowboy]

Only sad, poor sports abuse suicide/passive. Plus nothing beats being that second or two faster than this type of player and killing them anyway, despite bitch tactics..

[Shadowfennekin]

Almost everything on the list. Play the game right or not at all.

 

 

Didn't vote for modded account as the ridiculous K/d or level won't help you against somebody with skill

[scoobyfreak]

 

 

I propose a follow up question...

 

 

What is love?

 

 

Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more...

 

 

Edited May 2, 2016 by scoobyfreak

[Jenkiiii]

Pretty much voted like everyone else on this thread. There's cheating and then there's using the game mechanics to gain an advantage over less knowledgeable/intense players - which is frustrating but not cheating as such.

 

A scenario:

Two guys in an armoured Baller coming at me. I hit it full on with an RPG, turning it not its roof. The driver goes into passive mode and the passenger 'takes the easy way out', so I got neither kill. That is crap. They were like cockroaches on their back after I had disabled them.

 

But it's not technically 'cheating', just very annoying. The solution: refuse to play with people like that, and leave them to it.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Jenkiiii

[livejoker]

You guys wanna take bets on which page this gets lock?

Place your bets 'ere, ladies and gents! Right 'ere! Who's putting it on page 3? Page 3, anyone?

[Jerking For Soup]

Page 3 for me. 3 is the magic number.

[Ayylien]

This game is full of little exploits that people abuse, they'll never stop using them because it gives them an advantage. For the most part, they've been there since day one and Rockstar refuses to do anything about it or will ever do anything about it, all the more reason to put the game to bed and play something else.

[Hunter]

 

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

Honestly the line between whats legit and not is pretty vague..

I woud say if you use anything thats not considered to work or be ingame youre cheating

[rlk232]

Those people aren't technically cheating IMO, they're abusing the game. R* should get off their lazy asses and fix it though. It's a big part of why I don't play Pvp seriously, too many people do it and it really demeans/ruins the game. It's pathetic however if they think doing this makes them "good."

 

I caught a guy doing it once to almost everyone in the damn lobby. I told him I'd get him. it's how he kept getting me but he only had 3 kills to my 2, while he was being a jerk-off and I wasn't. He got mad and left.

Edited May 2, 2016 by rlk232

[saintsrow]

This is a well-constructed poll and should result in a nice distribution of results among the GTAF populace, and some good discussion.

 

 

I agree with Bat's statement , below, but I think the poll is still valid.

 

This looked like a good opportunity to clarify to everyone what "cheating" means as opposed to "using game mechanics provided" which many others have said anyway.

 

[snip]

 

But it now looks like you have some kind of grudge and are looking for the rest of us to back you up...

 

 

We all see a lot of these discussions and complaints. Here's my take on it: Most of these problems are due to Rockstar. The game design allows all these things, and most of them are bitch moves (as Crisis stated) or worse, but certain large and disgusting segments of the player community will inevitably use every cheap, dirty trick that can be unearthed, for whatever degenerate motivation drives them.

 

It's Rockstar's fault for not fixing the game to eliminate all these weaknesses and imbalances, and improve the game design. They made $3B. They should use some of those $$ to fix things. I'm getting the feeling they don't care.

Edited May 2, 2016 by saintsrow

[l Marksman God l]

Jet griefing is cheating? lol

[FlacidJack]

IMO...

Cheating = using an advantage that other players can't have without cheating too

Exploiting = using the existing (possibly flawed) mechanics in the game to give you an advantage

 

Now here is the important part to remember...

Modding = Creating and/or using additional content to the existing game / code

Hacking = Bypassing security and/or official procedures (or lack of) for any reason

[TheNameless]

To be fair, the only thing on the list that you can't handle or adjust to, is god mode.

 

Everything else has a weakness

[Arrows to Athens]

Cheating is modifying game code or memory manipulation in order to make the game behave in a manner the developer and other players do not intend.

 

Exploiting glitches is a grey area, it is technically part of the game and the onus is on the developer to patch the glitch, the control over the situation lies with them if no other software is being used.

If someone exploits a glitch to gain an unfair advantage over another player i.e. wallbreach, it is considered cheating.

If someone left the door open by mistake, and I took advantage of that by going in and stealing some valuables, it would be considered a crime, wouldn't it?

 

Cheating isn't just modding.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Fearx--

[Xiled]

If you have to do a glitch to gain an advantage over other players than it is cheating. If not than it is just faulty game mechanics and balance issues.

[Tonguegirl]

There's actual cheating; doing something you're not supposed to be able to do.

 

Then there's the perception of being cheated; something that you consider unfair that is denying you 'something'.

 

I do feel cheated when someone uses EWO in a fight when I know I would have got the kill and when someone abuses passive mode, but it's not technically cheating. The only defence against players who do these things is to not play against them. As soon as a player starts using EWO in combat that's not related to cops I leave them to it and move on. It's the same with passive mode abusers. I have used passive mode to annoy other players who are being dicks, but not jumping in and out to try and get a 'cheap' kill.

 

The use of certain weapons has no place in your poll OP, though I can understand why you put some of them there. I always have a little 'Sigh' moment when I come up against a Marksman Shuffler, but they aren't doing anything wrong so I just put my pride in my pocket and play them at their own game.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Tonguegirl

[Arrows to Athens]

There's actual cheating; doing something you're not supposed to be able to do.

 

Then there's the perception of being cheated; something that you consider unfair that is denying you 'something'.

 

I do feel cheated when someone uses EWO in a fight when I know I would have got the kill and when someone abuses passive mode, but it's not technically cheating. The only defence against players who do these things is to not play against them. As soon as a player starts using EWO in combat that's not related to cops I leave them to it and move on. It's the same with passive mode abusers. I have used passive mode to annoy other players who are being dicks, but not jumping in and out to try and get a 'cheap' kill.

 

The use of certain weapons has no place in your poll OP, though I can understand why you put some of them there. I always have a little 'Sigh' moment when I come up against a Marksman Shuffler, but they aren't doing anything wrong so I just put my pride in my pocket and play them at their own game.

I wouldn't consider continual suicide before death cheating, but rather a cheap, bitch move. I mean, they're not gaining an unfair advantage over you or anything; they're only preventing you from acquiring a kill, and so they aren't really winning anything, just preventing your kill and losing 500 smackaroos every time. I don't mind EWO to get out of risky situations, lose the cops, get a better spawn or retrieve full health, but regularly using it the moment you get shot or fire an RPG is silly and cheap.

 

As for the Marksman strafing, I wouldn't regard that as cheating at all. Players are using that weapon in the way it was intended to be used. It's a sniper which allows you to move around whilst zoomed in, so players are obviously going to do so during combat. You're not going to stand still and allow your opponent to obtain a easy kill on you. You need to move around so it's more difficult for your opponent to land shots on you. Nothing pussy about that. Plus, not everyone is going to play like you (not directing this at you).

Edited May 2, 2016 by Fearx--

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

GTA ONLINE! Exploits everywhere

[size_m]

You guys wanna take bets on which page this gets lock?

 

Place your bets 'ere, ladies and gents! Right 'ere! Who's putting it on page 3? Page 3, anyone?

...

why do you think that this would or should get locked?

as i already said this is not about being butthurt or bitching&moaning but meant to be an intense discussion with interesting aspects and arguments about a big contrast of different interpretations and opinions.

and until now this developed exactly to what i have hoped and exspected with this thread.

as you can see a lot of members have already contributed to this discussion with their opinion/interpretation/aspect.

and the poll reflects the tendencies of opinions of the community pretty good as far as i can tell.

 

 

Jet griefing is cheating? lol

i didn't say, think, or vote for this.

just because i provide some answers for the poll doesn't mean that all of these would be my opinion.

i even mentioned in one of my posts in here that i don't consider jet griefing or over using certain weapons as cheating.

i just tried to list some issues which about people liked to hate/bitch in several threads of this forum to provide a variety of answers which could be in context to cheating in someones opinion/interpretation.

 

 

There's actual cheating; doing something you're not supposed to be able to do.

 

Then there's the perception of being cheated; something that you consider unfair that is denying you 'something'.

 

I do feel cheated when someone uses EWO in a fight when I know I would have got the kill and when someone abuses passive mode, but it's not technically cheating. The only defence against players who do these things is to not play against them. As soon as a player starts using EWO in combat that's not related to cops I leave them to it and move on. It's the same with passive mode abusers. I have used passive mode to annoy other players who are being dicks, but not jumping in and out to try and get a 'cheap' kill.

 

The use of certain weapons has no place in your poll OP, though I can understand why you put some of them there. I always have a little 'Sigh' moment when I come up against a Marksman Shuffler, but they aren't doing anything wrong so I just put my pride in my pocket and play them at their own game.

i know that about the weapons in the poll.

as i explained above in my answer to the post of "marksman god" that i don't consider all of those answers as cheating myself.

it was just some quick ideas of usually hated tactics to provide a bigger variety of choices to vote from.

but i do agree to the rest of your post.

Edited May 2, 2016 by size_m

[grand theft spaghetti]

anyone that says they arent cheating and has multiple excuses as to why they couldnt possibly be cheating.

 

if you dont play the game as intended to get an advantage over others its cheating.