In And Out Week (April 29 - May 5): Double GTA$ & RP Playlist

[Weedell]

So, you don't like the updates, the game is dying for you, and you're projecting that onto the millions of regular, active players, some of whom it is also true for.

 

I don't think as many people as you think care as much as you think, but the only empirical data we have AFAIK would indicate that sales are strong despite a months long drought of fresh goodies.

 

I assume that substantial updates take substantial effort, and that such effort is being undertaken as is conveyed in every public statement from R* for years.

 

The slow drip may have been seen as the best option of available content over time, and I would shocked if someone at R* didn't have a pile of charts to make and justify the decision.

 

Maybe a billion dollar company is run by fools, but I doubt it.

[slowburn29]

So, you don't like the updates, the game is dying for you, and you're projecting that onto the millions of regular, active players, some of whom it is also true for.

 

I don't think as many people as you think care as much as you think, but the only empirical data we have AFAIK would indicate that sales are strong despite a months long drought of fresh goodies.

 

I assume that substantial updates take substantial effort, and that such effort is being undertaken as is conveyed in every public statement from R* for years.

 

The slow drip may have been seen as the best option of available content over time, and I would shocked if someone at R* didn't have a pile of charts to make and justify the decision.

 

Maybe a billion dollar company is run by fools, but I doubt it.

my understanding is this ben fella was put on leave as v released, and online has been a sh*t show. How long did heists take? I don't know either of you, but the other guy is speaking to my intuition. It's gonna be arrogance that kills this company and franchise

[rlk232]

Weed, do me a favor and go look at the email that Houser sent The Benz. It was hilarious, they admitted to being completely overwhelmed. If the Housers are running it all now, I do think they'll screw up pretty substantially.

 

Check this story, if you don't mind...

 

http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/14/11428072/the-great-grand-theft-auto-lawsuit-explained

Edited May 1, 2016 by rlk232

[Weedell]

I read that stuff a week or two ago, I didn't see any compelling reason to think that one man, who apparently was a workaholic and couldn't leave well enough alone when he wasn't working... what he charactarizes as a snub sounds like busy people working hard and not getting back to the guy they're busily working without....but, frankly, if this benz nonsense is at the root of your reasoning, I don't care to speculate more than I already have, and I'll move on content to disagree as there are few facts to examine and certainly not a clear full picture that could be explored in a reasonably short discussion.

[rlk232]

Don't get me wrong, E & O C was a great update, and it gave me renewed faith in what was coming in the future... but that faith has been gradually killed off by what's happened since then. I do think R* will probably release another one or two good sized updates, I'm just not sure if they'll have what a majority of people want. "A huge, new update for you loyal GTAO players, 16 new adversary modes and two reskinned low-riders!"

[Weedell]

That's less pessimistic than what I thought you were saying earlier. I'm more hopeful but really happy w the game as-is, I don't know what to expect but I usually like what comes down the pipe or don't mind it at least.

 

This in and out mode seems aptly named, another unbalanced mode in which one team is bent over.

[rlk232]

That's less pessimistic than what I thought you were saying earlier. I'm more hopeful but really happy w the game as-is, I don't know what to expect but I usually like what comes down the pipe or don't mind it at least.

 

This in and out mode seems aptly named, another unbalanced mode in which one team is bent over.

 

That's what I was guessing as well, after playing Drop Zone and one or two others. They're really tough to like, which is why probably 80%-85% of people detest them!

 

I'd be so happy with just a few more interesting VIP missions, a few legit (new) cars, a 6th garage/property, some newly accessible buildings and basic improvements like better match making. That'd be a solid update.

Edited May 1, 2016 by rlk232

[AUScowboy]

Ditto, you completely nailed it. Basically, for the dense out there: less adv modes, more vip please!

[Halal Cyborg]

If they added the Uranus, sabre, super gt, cheetah classic and Pegassi classic over a 3 month period id be happier than what they've added of late.

I'd be happy if they added more missions or heists

[Final Quake]

If they added the Uranus, sabre, super gt, cheetah classic and Pegassi classic over a 3 month period id be happier than what they've added of late.

I'd be happy if they added more missions or heists

 

An entire "classics" DLC adding all of the fan favourite gta cars would be awesome.

[Halal Cyborg]

[Final Quake]

[Pyramid_Head]

I really want the classic Patriot (Hummer H1) from GTA III and the Cheetah classic.

[HKM87]

sh*t, so all the wishlisting came here, since the next DLC thread got locked.

[AUScowboy]

Knew that was gonna happen.

[Shaundi.]

When Fallout 4 is 6 months old and already has two DLCs and one this month which is a map expansion and this game is nearly 3 years old and

 

 

 

HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

It says a lot about Rockstar.

[Rafae]

When Fallout 4 is 6 months old and already has two DLCs and one this month which is a map expansion and this game is nearly 3 years old and

 

 

 

 

HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

It says a lot about Rockstar.

Constant updates for 2.5 years is absolutely nothing?

 

6 months into its life cycle, GTA Online already had 4 content updates so you can f*ck right off with comparisons to how many DLCs Fallout has so far. No one and I mean no one supports their games the way Rockstar does.

[rlk232]

 

When Fallout 4 is 6 months old and already has two DLCs and one this month which is a map expansion and this game is nearly 3 years old and

 

 

 

HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

It says a lot about Rockstar.

Constant updates for 2.5 years is absolutely nothing?

 

6 months into its life cycle, GTA Online already had 4 content updates so you can f*ck right off with comparisons to how many DLCs Fallout has so far. No one and I mean no one supports their games the way Rockstar does.

 

 

I would've agreed with you 4 months ago but the quality of what they've been putting out has gone way down. Why release a ton of crappy mini-updates when nobody likes them? Tell us something big is coming as of X and work on that instead. I think the mini-updates probably are a method of greed, especially when you consider the prices at Benny's.

[Rafae]

 

 

When Fallout 4 is 6 months old and already has two DLCs and one this month which is a map expansion and this game is nearly 3 years old and

 

 

 

HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

It says a lot about Rockstar.

Constant updates for 2.5 years is absolutely nothing?

 

6 months into its life cycle, GTA Online already had 4 content updates so you can f*ck right off with comparisons to how many DLCs Fallout has so far. No one and I mean no one supports their games the way Rockstar does.

 

 

I would've agreed with you 4 months ago but the quality of what they've been putting out has gone way down. Why release a ton of crappy mini-updates when nobody likes them? Tell us something big is coming as of X and work on that instead. I think the mini-updates probably are a method of greed, especially when you consider the prices at Benny's.

 

 

Ok but these last four months aren't an accurate representation of what they've added to Online in the previous 2 years. Yes, it kind of damages the streak of quality DLC's but it doesn't take away from the fact that there plenty good updates in 2014 and 2015. They still support their game with a passion, regardless of the quality of updates we've gotten so far this year.

[Big_Show]

 

I've sent R* emails requesting the Hermes! IMO Benny's inventory will not be complete without this car in stock!

[rlk232]

 

 

 

 

 

"Ok but these last four months aren't an accurate representation of what they've added to Online in the previous 2 years. Yes, it kind of damages the streak of quality DLC's but it doesn't take away from the fact that there plenty good updates in 2014 and 2015. They still support their game with a passion, regardless of the quality of updates we've gotten so far this year."

 

I agree but it'll suck if it stops so suddenly.

[Shaundi.]

In Fallout 4, you can build a companion robot from the ground up, wake me up when we can build a car from the ground up in GTA V/O.

 

Car builder would add something very meaningful to the game.

[whywontyoulisten]

In Fallout 4, you can build a companion robot from the ground up, wake me up when we can build a car from the ground up in GTA V/O.

 

Car builder would add something very meaningful to the game.

It really wouldn't.

 

[Tez2]

In Fallout 4, you can build a companion robot from the ground up, wake me up when we can build a car from the ground up in GTA V/O.

 

Car builder would add something very meaningful to the game.

How about I wake you up to do some game development to realize what you are talking about and stop complaining ?

"That initial germ of an idea made it through the six years of development to the final product."

Fallout 4 took 6 or 7 years to develop without "online mode".

GTA V took 4 years, GTA Online was planned to have Cops n Crooks mode as "Freemode" but that idea was scrapped which required the devs to re-design it.

[APB]

 

In Fallout 4, you can build a companion robot from the ground up, wake me up when we can build a car from the ground up in GTA V/O.

 

Car builder would add something very meaningful to the game.

How about I wake you up to do some game development to realize what you are talking about and stop complaining ?

"That initial germ of an idea made it through the six years of development to the final product."

Fallout 4 took 6 or 7 years to develop without "online mode".

GTA V took 4 years, GTA Online was planned to have Cops n Crooks mode as "Freemode" but that idea was scrapped which required the devs to re-design it.

 

Remember that Bethesda and Fallout/TES games are totally different things compared to GTA.

Also Fallout 4 took them 6 or 7 years as you said, but how many people made it? The answer is just above 100.

 

Rockstar had 10x more people (1000+ in other words) to make GTA V and Online as stated here:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rockstar-more-than-1000-people-made-gtav/1100-6415330/

 

Rockstar North has already 3 times more people than Bethesda. You got to give prop to Beth for doing what they do in that amount of time with that little people.(Even tho I found F4 dissapointing and went back to Skyrim and GTA:O)

 

 

Also If people here have nothing more to say than bitch and moan about how many of those crappy modes they are releasing, then I suggest heading for Bitch and Moan Thread/Topic and moan there about the latest updates as much as you want! Problem solved!

[XenoxX]

When Fallout 4 is 6 months old and already has two DLCs and one this month which is a map expansion and this game is nearly 3 years old and

 

 

 

 

HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

It says a lot about Rockstar.

2 years of consecutive updates are "absoluetly nothing" .... ok.

 

 

In Fallout 4, you can build a companion robot from the ground up, wake me up when we can build a car from the ground up in GTA V/O.

 

Car builder would add something very meaningful to the game.

How about I wake you up to do some game development to realize what you are talking about and stop complaining ?

"That initial germ of an idea made it through the six years of development to the final product."

Fallout 4 took 6 or 7 years to develop without "online mode".

GTA V took 4 years, GTA Online was planned to have Cops n Crooks mode as "Freemode" but that idea was scrapped which required the devs to re-design it.

 

Remember that Bethesda and Fallout/TES games are totally different things compared to GTA.

Also Fallout 4 took them 6 or 7 years as you said, but how many people made it? The answer is just above 100.

 

Rockstar had 10x more people (1000+ in other words) to make GTA V and Online as stated here:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rockstar-more-than-1000-people-made-gtav/1100-6415330/

 

Rockstar North has already 3 times more people than Bethesda. You got to give prop to Beth for doing what they do in that amount of time with that little people.(Even tho I found F4 dissapointing and went back to Skyrim and GTA:O)

 

 

Also If people here have nothing more to say than bitch and moan about how many of those crappy modes they are releasing, then I suggest heading for Bitch and Moan Thread/Topic and moan there about the latest updates as much as you want! Problem solved!

Bethesda has more than a 100 people who were credited on Fallout 4, they also have about 900.

The amount of developers of GTA V is about 300, Rockstar North employees, only in the last year all DEV studios jump on the crunch time to develope one game.

Additionally R* was busy with Max Payne 3 and LA Noire in the meantime eventhough it first was not planned that R* North would work on said titles.

[APB]

Bethesda doesnt have a 1000 people they have a 100 plus, They stated themselves that they gained only a couple of people since Skyrim. They weren`t even 90 until after Oblivion. I also suggest going to Fallout 4`s credits and re-counting them.

 

Rockstar doesn`t have any excuse for working on other titles, all developers do it.

 

But lets stay on topic and take this discussion somewhere else.

[Pyramid_Head]

The fact that people complain about free add-ons amazes me. No other major game (I.e Call of Duty, Fallout 4, etc.) are giving out free content month after month. People are becoming more and more entitled and it's quite pathetic and sad if I do say so myself. R* has given more content than anyone expected, yet people are complaining like a bunch of spoiled kids about the "quality" of said content.

 

 

Hell I remember being shocked that the first add-on was free (Beach-Bum) because no other studio gives content away for free. I payed $50 for the Black Ops 3 season pass and another $30 for the Fallout 4 season pass, how much did I pay for the GTA V/Online season pass? $0 because there isn't one for GTA V/Online because R* actually cares about their fans. You guys will regret being so ungrateful someday because R* will probably get tired of giving free content away to ungrateful snobs and I won't blame them one bit.

[jdv95]

the fact that people forgive BAD dlc just because it's free amazes me.

releasing rehashed stuff over and over again is not justified because it is free.

Edited May 2, 2016 by jdv95

[Nick1020]

People are always gonna complain about something. It's somewhat justifyed in gta thanks to the awful matching making and recently lack of decent content. I'm not complaining too much since all updates were free.

 

Speaking of Fallout 4, that game has more bugs than GTA 5. Not online but story mode. And not to mention they miss some detail that gta does.