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Should the next GTA be more serious?

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Max.pain

just no trevor

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DexMacLeod

I think maybe a little more serious than GTA V could work but not much more. The whole concept of GTA with its over the top crime and violence is silly as hell all on its own and I don't want to see them get too far away from that.

 

Obviously, they need some serious moments to help ground the characters and give the story some weight but I don't want them to go back to GTA IV territory. When that game tried to get serious it usually ended up feeling the wrong kind of silly.

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Big Fat Paulie

I'm all for a more serious GTA, as long as they don't overdo it and make it grimdark and boring like GTA IV was. As cool as The Lost and Damned was, it tried so hard to be dark and serious that it ended up doing a Warhammer 40K and became silly because it was too tryhard grimdark serious.

 

I sort of get the feeling that Ballad of Gay Tony and GTA V were intentionally silly and over the top as a way of trying to correct the excessive bleakness of IV and Lost and Damned.

 

GTA IV had the best story of any game in the series, but I also consider it one of the weaker entries in the GTA franchise. The story missions are great, but there's not much else to do in the game at all and the bad driving mechanics and limited weapons and clothing selection also sucked.

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SMC TBane

More.serious like GTAIV for me..

Its just.my taste. 

 

I like the gritty urban crime feeling in LC. Hope R* NOT gonna fk up with the futuristic G.I Joe gear and those crazy verhicles/weapons..

 

Its a crime game afterall..

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billiejoearmstrong8

There needs to be a balance. It can be extremely dark but still extremely funny, IV is case in point. It doesn't have to be a choice between serious and light hearted, it can be both if it has characters and story with real substance at its core. Where it goes wrong is when the story/characters don't have enough depth to balance out some of the sillier humour. I think V has some great characters and drama, and humour, but they just needed to cut back on some of the more over the top and silly stuff that took place in the story and in how some of the characters behaved and it would've felt more inspired and meaningful. I hope they balance things so it's slightly more serious (which doesn't have to be at the expense of comedy - more at the expense of too many particularly outlandish and silly elements) in the next game. 

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MostWantedMVP

It doesn't necessarily need to be serious. Make it grounded with black comedy. Just no over the top ridiculous story. Most important is a well developed character. After RDR2 I have no doubts. My wish is Carcer City (Chicago) set in the 80's. I guess we'll see because no one has a clue what Rockstar is working on, despite all the awful "rumors".

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Guest

As long as it has an engaging crime related story and interesting things to do outside of it I'm not really concerned with how serious the next GTA will be.

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Black_Jesus

A more "serious"  GTA in America culture would be against the rules/




 

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iiCriminnaaL 49
1 minute ago, Black_Jesus said:

A more "serious"  GTA in America culture would be against the rules/




 

GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas and GTA IV were all more serious than GTA V in general, so I don’t see how it can be against the “rules”.

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Black_Jesus

Didnt San Andreas get recall?

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iiCriminnaaL 49
33 minutes ago, Black_Jesus said:

Didnt San Andreas get recall?

It had its silly moments, but it generally takes itself more seriously than GTA V does.

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Max.pain

no rules generally. i just don’t want a messed up gta 5 copy.

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billiejoearmstrong8

I think the problem with V is it can't decide whether to take itself seriously or not. There's many moments of serious drama and attempts to portray deep and complex characters (much more than in any 3D era game) but they're undermined by an excessive amount of over the top/wacky stuff. There's room for plenty of humour and some over the top moments in GTA but it has to be the right kind at the right time for it to fit together well with a gritty story. I think San Andreas is the least serious (even the most "serious" moments are mostly just parody based on early 90's hood movie cliches) but it works because it goes all in with over the top and wacky and doesn't try to be two things at once. 

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ChengizVlad09

Damn. What does it mean 'more serious' ? If you are thinking story and narrative wise, then I can't see it getting any more serious than any game in HD Universe, really. For crying out loud, we even have our own 'Shrink' in V. If that doesn't scream 'serious' don't know what will.

 

Rockstar is notorious for having troubles in finding that common grounds between realism and arcade, between goofy and serious, ultimatelly creating inconsistencies between story line and its missions on one side and gameplay on the other, in HDU games. All kind of inconsistencies everywhere for that matter. Seeing how things developed in RDR2 and the fact that we received a mini game where we actually collect virtual $hit as farmers, it's more than clear things will remain unnecessarily serious in order to bring some fake sense of realism, in places where it is almost undesirable. How can it get any worse than that? In some strange, but clearly visible aspect of things, they are frightened to introduce us with any kind of real challenge that requires any kind of skill, gameplay wise and in that sense their games are purely childish, yet we still receive over the top, boring, long a$$ tutorials and instructions on how to tap buttons. That's where their sense of 'realism' and most of the 'seriousness' lie. It's business model more than anything, since in that way they will appeal to younger part of the community that doesn't want to bother with anything more sophisticated, despite carrying that 'Mature' label on their games.

 

I don't know whether things need to get serious in gameplay department, but I know for sure their approach needs some of it definitely, no matter if they strive to create something serious and real or arcadey and goofy.

 

That's why 3DU games were perfect; their arcadey/goofy gameplay framework could be praised for producing and giving anything serious/real while still maintaining rights not to be overly criticized for its more loosy character. 

 

 

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jnkmail

yes, but i dont think it will because its going to pander to pre teens

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Niobium
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although i prefer a serious GTA to a non-serious GTA, i wonder if lack of seriousness was actually the problem in GTA V. lack of seriousness doesn't explain the annoying charcters, or the FIB bitchwork, or the lack of V's theme (the pursuit of the almighty dollar), or michael and his family bitching at each other, or michael and trevor bitching at each other, or trevor being insufferable, or franklin not being an interesting character, or how the majority of IV characters in this game died instantly like nobodies and/or acted out of character. however, i will agree that the writers were such fu*king tryhards when they wrote their "satire".

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Algonquin Assassin

For me GTA VI doesn't have to be more "serious" necessarily, but it needs to make sure the moments that are meant to be taken seriously have impact and purpose. Love GTA IV or not there's a reason the story's generally accepted as the best in the series because it's confident with its writing that its serious moments should infact be taken seriously yet it's not afraid to let its hair down either that's nether tryhard or feels out of place. 

 

GTA V tipped the scales too much IMO. Don't get me wrong I like GTA V's story a lot more than when I posted in here in 2016, but sometimes I feel like it tried a little too hard to be a compromise of the zany 3D era and the maturity of GTA IV ending up with a story that has somewhat of a identity crisis constantly diluting both the serious AND funny moments. 

 

I don't want it to be as serious as the Red Dead games obviously, but at the same time they nailed a formula that worked really well with GTA IV. I'm not suggesting a GTA IV 2.0, but maybe R* should look back at some of the things people liked about GTA IV. 

 

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TheSantader25
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It's all about balance for me. The game should know when to make jokes and  when to make a point. It's kinda hard for me to sit through games that just do one or the other. You either die of boredom or cringe because of excessive humor. 

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MojoGamer
On 10/10/2019 at 9:33 AM, Max.pain said:

just no trevor

Hmm No Female Protagonist too?

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Copcaller

I generally prefer a serious story with light hearted moments in between but I felt like satire was better in previous gtas. V felt super heavy handed and unfunny 

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Jabalous
4 hours ago, Copcaller said:

I generally prefer a serious story with light hearted moments in between but I felt like satire was better in previous gtas. V felt super heavy handed and unfunny 

I completely agree. It's one of the reasons for why V ranks the lowest on my Grand Theft Auto list. 

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DS 17

It makes sense to keep it more serious since most of the target group aged massively in comparison to the release of previous titles. I played titles like Saints Row 2 when I was much younger, but nowadays when seeing their trailers, I could just not understand how someone can play something like that. The taste changes when becoming older and so does the target players. Of course there are a lot of younger players looking forward to playing GTA 6, but these are not the majority anymore, especially since R* is highly interested in monetizing the game with in-game purchases. Adults have easier access to more money. 

 

I can imagine this is why the next title will become more serious, but still keeps the classic humour and maybe some funny lines. I imagine it more subtle. Can it be funny and good? Probably. But in the end it really matters a lot who well the story was written. And we have seen it in V, that the story was quite improvable for sticking to not such negative words. When comparing it with previous titles I guess it will be between Vice City and San Andreas with an influence of IV. We will see. 

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WapitiWarrior1899

yes, i wish its more serious. Like rdr2.

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thisisdagger

Yes I prefer it a bit more grounded. 4 hit the right spot for me but I really didnt like the city.

Sadly I fear with how young the current fanbase for GTA online is (and this is the target audience after all) they will focus it more to be all more satire and wacky again.

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The Wolf Man

I feel like a GTA game should never be over dramatic or such.

IV tried too hard to be a crime drama and it turned out a litte bit confusing at times. The story formula of V is not perfect but it is the way to go from now on IMO, just an action movie with no further pretensions.

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Algonquin Assassin
8 hours ago, The Wolf Man said:

I feel like a GTA game should never be over dramatic or such.

IV tried too hard to be a crime drama and it turned out a litte bit confusing at times. The story formula of V is not perfect but it is the way to go from now on IMO, just an action movie with no further pretensions.

Yet it's pretty much unanimously accepted that GTA IV's story is seen as the better of the two so which formula really works better?

 

There's nothing "confusing" about GTA IV's story and I don't mean that it's hard to understand. It knows when it needs to be serious yet it doesn't mind letting loose every now and then to break the ice. If GTA IV was a movie I think it would fall in the black comedy/thriller category. People exaggerate the "drama" aspects too much like they think GTA IV's trying to be the Citizen Kane of the GTA series or something. Of course it has its down moments, but the rest of the writing does such a great job it feels justified within context and breaks through the ceiling of the creative constraints of past GTA games that mostly focused on mindless action. It's something I feel GTA V struggles with getting a grasp of for reasons I'll explain below.

 

Anyway the one thing I've always found about these discussions is when people say GTA IV's too "serious", but ok did any of these people play GTA III? Admittedly GTA III's story doesn't have much in the way of drama, but from what I remember it was still pretty bloody serious without much of an attempt of comic relief to offset (I'm only talking about the story here. Not the typical GTA esque satire in free roam which GTA III has plenty of).

 

GTA IV atleast has characters like Brucie and Roman and even Niko himself says some things that make me lol and it never feels as forced as it does in GTA V that feels like it's trying to be funny every time there's a cutscene on screen and it just comes off as being a bit cringey. That's not to say GTA V can't be genuinely funny, but the majority of the time it tries so f*cking hard to be cool and hip it becomes more of a nuisance than anything and I'm confident that I'm NOT the only one who feels this way.

 

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TheJesus1996

I didn't had a problem with V's satire and over the top moments...

but I prefer a continuation of IV's concept in a new setting based on Chicago & Detroit. Past or present I don't really care anymore as long as it's done right.

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Gettin up

Yes I'm open to more serious GTA game.

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Killerbees

I think Scarface is the perfect film equivalent to the GTA series ideally. You start as a nobody, work your way up, and end up on top of the world (y'know, ignoring the final act). It's over-the-top and has a lot of funny dialogue but when it's time for drama, it's serious. You have quotable lines but also harrowing scenes like the chainsaw scene. On a slightly different point, the easiest way to do this, I think, is to have the city itself be a fun world but the criminal underbelly be serious and horrible. Then there's a good conflict because the better you do, the more you are out of it and can enjoy the world/city but at the same time you get deeper into it the better you do. The basic rags to riches storyline is solid in my view, no need for multiple protagonists, and then the setting itself builds the details which will sometimes be wacky and sometimes be grim.

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Gettin up
53 minutes ago, Killerbees said:

I think Scarface is the perfect film equivalent to the GTA series ideally. You start as a nobody, work your way up, and end up on top of the world (y'know, ignoring the final act). It's over-the-top and has a lot of funny dialogue but when it's time for drama, it's serious. You have quotable lines but also harrowing scenes like the chainsaw scene. On a slightly different point, the easiest way to do this, I think, is to have the city itself be a fun world but the criminal underbelly be serious and horrible. Then there's a good conflict because the better you do, the more you are out of it and can enjoy the world/city but at the same time you get deeper into it the better you do. The basic rags to riches storyline is solid in my view, no need for multiple protagonists, and then the setting itself builds the details which will sometimes be wacky and sometimes be grim.

Yes that is a good movie. But I would like to see something in modern times. Scarface is based on 80's Miami.

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