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[Archive] Red Dead Redemption 2 Rumour Mill: Leaks, Speculation...

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Kirsty

It's highly plausible even without a "leak" as Sony confirmed at the announcement that they have a special promotional partnership with Rockstar for RDR2, it'd be a good scoop to show something at E3, even though we know Rockstar themselves aren't tradtionally present. However, lists like that are easily faked, it could be anyone's guess.

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Spider-Vice

Definitely interesting, but I'll also drop the warning this can be easily faked by anyone, known YouTuber or not (not saying it was him faking it). I have speculated to myself before that Sony could have some sort of gameplay demonstration at E3, given that Sony and Rockstar have an even stronger partnership with RDR2, so it wouldn't be too shocking.

 

It is definitely possible, but taking it with a pinch of salt.

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Yan2295

That's funny, I got that same email with that same picture too.


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I didn't talk about it and didn't even reply to the email since it looks fake to me, for a few reasons;

  • That Sony logo on the top left should be orange, not green
  • Actual confidentials documents don't say "confidential" on them, the few people who get them obviously know that it's confidential
  • The trademarks stuff at the bottom should not be there if it was an internal document
  • The PlayStation logo at the bottom makes no sense either

The whole thing seems fishy.

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Jason

There's a reason you rarely, if ever see E3 documents leaked. The document screams fake, filled with 1st party games then conveniently has RDR and the much rumoured "AC: Empire" to make it seem legit. Even then, why would that document exist? Why name the games specifically? Their E3 plans are probably scheduling and logistics at the moment, not "what games have we got confirmed" - and I doubt there would be a single document detailing it all at this point.

 

As for RDR appearing at E3, I feel as if a trailer shown during one of the conferences is no where near as unlikely as it used to be for Rockstar, but I still doubt it'll happen.

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Spider-Vice

Both those happenings are nothing but plausible at this point. Yan pointed out some interesting inaccuracies, and it is true E3 stuff almost never leaks, especially not in this way. Rockstar showing something at E3 with Sony could easily happen because their partnership is stronger than ever, and the trailer this month is also plausible because of the posters and cards being pushed to stores, and all the other stuff we've been talking about over on the main thread. None of those things may happen, who knows, but it's plausible.

 

That said, the fact that it was sent to several influential people does make it very fishy. Due to this, I've moved the discussion to this main Speculation thread.

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BlackScout
SanInPlay... Also known as the brazilian MrBossFTW. I take everything that comes from his channel as bullsh*t.

His amount of bait, poorly made content and weird misinformation is ridiculous.


I used to watch this dude... But then, I started to browse GTAF (better information than the ones he barely sh*t on in his videos) and realized how crappy his channel was.


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About the document:


The formatting looks weird.

The PlayStation logo is lacking a copyright mark next to the "PS".

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I think an official document would have its logos on the bottom/corners and not centralized... I don't know.

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Kirsty

I just noticed in the email Yan posted, it also says at the bottom that a "trailer is arriving at the beginning of February" lol.

 

*looks at calender*

 

:cry:

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Spider-Vice

I just noticed in the email Yan posted, it also says at the bottom that a "trailer is arriving at the beginning of February" lol.

 

*looks at calender*

 

:cry:

It's not too late yet! :lol: #NextWeekOrBust (#won'thappen)

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RedDagger

That's not how you fake a leak, you gotta have dates further in the future so the veracity of the leak is up in the air for longer which means more circulation...step your fake leak game up, people

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kBlaise

Yeah, sure, let's print out a "document" that we've just thrown together in Notepad and then let's make a photo of it (definitely not a proper one, rather do it at an angle to make it seem "leakey").

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Jabalous

I can see a 1 minute trailer at Sony's, but gameplay? Nah, it's never going to happen. It's far from being a R* thing and they don't need to change their ways. Newswire is their electronic E3. They won't show a gameplay without the traditional narration (Gameplay series).

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Dee-account-with-1kbans

That's funny, I got that same email with that same picture too.

 

 

 

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Bigger size of the picture:

 

 

 

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I didn't talk about it and didn't even reply to the email since it looks fake to me, for a few reasons;

  • That Sony logo on the top left should be orange, not green
  • Actual confidentials documents don't say "confidential" on them, the few people who get them obviously know that it's confidential
  • The trademarks stuff at the bottom should not be there if it was an internal document
  • The PlayStation logo at the bottom makes no sense either

The whole thing seems fishy.

 

"CONFIDENTIAL"?- CHECK!

 

Lazily thrown together list of games- CHECK

 

Off-screen shot of a piece of f*cking paper- CHECK

 

Company logo without the trademark- CHECK

 

Looks like someone spent 3 minutes making it in Microsoft Word- CHECK

 

Obviously fake- CHECK

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nixion

 

That's funny, I got that same email with that same picture too.

 

 

 

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Bigger size of the picture:

 

 

 

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I didn't talk about it and didn't even reply to the email since it looks fake to me, for a few reasons;

  • That Sony logo on the top left should be orange, not green
  • Actual confidentials documents don't say "confidential" on them, the few people who get them obviously know that it's confidential
  • The trademarks stuff at the bottom should not be there if it was an internal document
  • The PlayStation logo at the bottom makes no sense either

The whole thing seems fishy.

 

"CONFIDENTIAL"?- CHECK!

 

Lazily thrown together list of games- CHECK

 

Off-screen shot of a piece of f*cking paper- CHECK

 

Company logo without the trademark- CHECK

 

Looks like someone spent 3 minutes making it in Microsoft Word- CHECK

 

Obviously fake- CHECK

 

 

...also Detroit Become Human is misspelled Detroid.

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LincolnClay

Rather than looking for "secret, never before seen gameplay" or supposed "leaks", you'll find me in the "patiently awaiting the next trailer" section.

 

It's funny, I was almost fooled until they misspelled Detroit, and they changed the colour of the thing at the top.

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Acky.

Stupid fake leaked document has me awaiting fake trailer release :barf:

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Spider-Vice

This was never confirmed. I downloaded the full Denuvo leak and the only things it had were people asking Denuvo if R* was gonna use it for GTA V. Reddit spread this and then immediately backed out on it as they noticed they were emails ABOUT Rockstar not FROM Rockstar.

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Anarckhy

This was never confirmed. I downloaded the full Denuvo leak and the only things it had were people asking Denuvo if R* was gonna use it for GTA V. Reddit spread this and then immediately backed out on it as they noticed they were emails ABOUT Rockstar not FROM Rockstar.

But remember back in 2014, before the release of the PC version for GTAV, Rockstar's logo was on Denuvo's site. Someone emailed Denuvo regarding that matter and later replied that ROCKSTAR WASN'T USING DENUVO FOR GTAV. So it could probably mean RDR2 PC version?

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Spider-Vice

That is true, I do remember that. I mean, it's almost a given RDR2 can easily be on PC, especially when NG console development (especially Xbox One) is very similar to PC development due to the equal CPU architecture. Not much excuse not to release it, other than for initial console sales and satisfying Sony.

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Jason

It'll come to PC, 100%. The original RDR was on a veeeeery early version of RAGE, RDR2 will be on the latest. It'll just be a few months after (early 2018?). If only so they get the double dippers, cause it worked so well for them with GTA V.

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Edward-Is-A-Flunky45

I can see a 1 minute trailer at Sony's, but gameplay? Nah, it's never going to happen. It's far from being a R* thing and they don't need to change their ways. Newswire is their electronic E3. They won't show a gameplay without the traditional narration (Gameplay series).

This. It's funny that people here never learn from those things. I mean, take GTA V as an example or even Max Payne 3. After the Hot Coffee scandal they pretty much rarely show up on E3. The last time I've seen was the GTA IV announcement and rockstar's partnership with Sony (PS4/GTA V bundle). Apart from this, they do not show up. At least not regarding their big titles.

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DGSimo

A "Gameplay" trailer is often times a misused term gamers and people in the industry use as an example of a trailer showcasing actual in-game gameplay with in-engine cutscenes cut together to explain a narrative for your game. For example of course the GTAV PS4 announcement and even RDR2s trailer. In that sense Rockstar cutting a "gameplay" trailer for Sony to show at E3 is always a ever possibility since they've done it before.

 

Rockstar are mixed on E3 and big show demonstrations. Dan Houser went on record that demonstrating your game at E3 can be detrimental to the team and question of you're going the right direction as evidenced by GTAIIIs reception at E3 2001, and also the big stage just isn't ideal.

On the other hand we have leaked emails and documents where Rockstar were prepared to take and show L.A Noire at E3..2010 maybe?...but because of the state of the game and missing deadlines they canceled these plans at the last minute.

 

So basically it can go either way but if 1 of the big hardware guys has some kind of exclusivity deal then I would expect a trailer. In this case don't be surprised if a new RDR2 trailer is shown at Sony's conference with an PS4 Pro bundle announcement since they have a exclusivity and marketing deal.

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Jason

I think a lot of it these days is that just don't need E3 all that much. They've shown with MP3 and RDR1 that they will go to shows to show off new games, or ones from revived franchises. But with GTA? They actually build more hype by doing it on their own terms. The whole "Rockstar don't need E3" shtick that fans say is not only actually true but generates hype because of it. They're at a stage that every developer would kill to be at. Only Blizzard, Valve and probably Naughty Dog can do the same.

 

Them being mysterious, secretive and bullish is part of their PR, and they do it better than any other developer out there.

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Jason

Rockstar are always hiring for all their studios. Also, NYC is their HQ, and as far as I know it's not a development studio (although they do handle at least some of the animation/mo-cap I believe). They are the ones who handle the financial side, publishing, online presence, PR, and also create many/all of the trailers they put out - to put it simply.

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Kirsty

I was thinking today how there has been very little "information" surrounding this game being found online.

 

Back during pre-V, we had those domain registrations being found, casting calls for Project Rush, the resumés of voice actors and motion capture artists... I'm sure there were some Max Payne casting calls found around the time too. For RDR2, there has been pretty much nothing. All quiet on the western front. Obviously the "leaked map" is a big question mark but that's been talked about to death, so I'm referring to other kinds of "information".

 

They must have really had a crack down on how this information gets out, or they have operated so covertly this time that it's just under our eyes and goes unnoticed.

 

I was having a search around (as you do :whistle:) and found this list of titles being developed by various game companies that got outed by SAG-AFTRA, the union that represents voice actors, during a strike last November. There's a couple listed there by Take-Two, projects Dust and Lazarus, and I found another reference elsewhere to a project Alligator. Obviously this might not be anything related to Rockstar, but thought it was interesting as this is the first time I've seen it, and it got me curious about what RDR2's codename could be since internally they use "RDR2" for the first Redemption.

 

Just chewin' on nothing here lol.

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Jason

I was thinking today how there has been very little "information" surrounding this game being found online.

 

Back during pre-V, we had those domain registrations being found, casting calls for Project Rush, the resumés of voice actors and motion capture artists... I'm sure there were some Max Payne casting calls found around the time too. For RDR2, there has been pretty much nothing. All quiet on the western front. Obviously the "leaked map" is a big question mark but that's been talked about to death, so I'm referring to other kinds of "information".

 

They must have really had a crack down on how this information gets out, or they have operated so covertly this time that it's just under our eyes and goes unnoticed.

 

I was having a search around (as you do :whistle:) and found this list of titles being developed by various game companies that got outed by SAG-AFTRA, the union that represents voice actors, during a strike last November. There's a couple listed there by Take-Two, projects Dust and Lazarus, and I found another reference elsewhere to a project Alligator. Obviously this might not be anything related to Rockstar, but thought it was interesting as this is the first time I've seen it, and it got me curious about what RDR2's codename could be since internally they use "RDR2" for the first Redemption.

 

Just chewin' on nothing here lol.

 

Yea there's really been nothing so far. GTA V had the whole 3 protags + Los Santos leaked a year before it was announced too.

 

The only thing we've had is the GTA Online leaker a few months back saying it's 3 protags and it's John's old gang, but none of the playables are John. But he gave that away so... flippantly that despite his track record for GTA:O I'm a bit sceptical how much truth is in that.

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Jabalous
I was having a search around (as you do :whistle:) and found this list of titles being developed by various game companies that got outed by SAG-AFTRA, the union that represents voice actors, during a strike last November. There's a couple listed there by Take-Two, projects Dust and Lazarus, and I found another reference elsewhere to a project Alligator. Obviously this might not be anything related to Rockstar, but thought it was interesting as this is the first time I've seen it, and it got me curious about what RDR2's codename could be since internally they use "RDR2" for the first Redemption.

 

 

Just chewin' on nothing here lol.

 

I remember reading about this strike when it was mentioned by a GTAF member who happen to occasionally visit the forums and post some interesting insights. I hope it doesn't affect the progress of the voice acting of RDR2 and somehow cause an unintentional delay.

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BUT THE BENZ

the quality control guy is not around anymore, yes I mean the benz, and since there's lots of things to be ironed out R* might be "stuck" at that stage, thus cannot focus on leaks/trailers etc.

 

who knows....maybe Sam is a wreck, again, and got no superman he can e-mail and beg to come fly by and save the day....AGAIN....

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burger_mike

the quality control guy is not around anymore, yes I mean the benz, and since there's lots of things to be ironed out R* might be "stuck" at that stage, thus cannot focus on leaks/trailers etc.

 

who knows....maybe Sam is a wreck, again, and got no superman he can e-mail and beg to come fly by and save the day....AGAIN....

I didn't know The Benz has a GTAF account.

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