Why R* Nerfed Tanks but Not Jets

[Striker258]

What they should nerf is passive mode, it was supposed to be used in case you had leave for a bit instead of using it as a advantage and don't say " get good " how can I do that if they turned themselves into a ghost, but also yes they should bring the tank back along with the Titan.

[CarimboHanky]

 

 

hahaha the tears people that complaining about jets are so sweet

 

people cry about the jet and the cannon but seem to forget the fact we are talking about a military killing machine, its supposed to be powerful, yes i know what they did with the tank, at the time it was needed, but now we have more than enough stuff to fight back, its time to revent the tank back to it original state.

 

back in the jet, if there are people with jets well you can use the given tools to combat them or you can take matters into your own hands by using a jet take down the jet that is bothering you, i mean you complain about us being able to go passive and call for another one for just $200 and no cooldown, well you can do the same too

 

us jet pilots we are using the given tools, you should do the same.

 

is that simple, git gud or get rekt

 

WOW, It's almost as if you griefer people just copy and paste your 'argument' into any discussion. Do you have that in a document ready to go when needed? Lol. I would be thoroughly amused if R* just removed Jets from the game entirely, I have a feeling there would be actual tears from players such as yourself.we tell it like it is, maybe that why all griefers arguments are the same or maybe because we have been discussing the same "issue" since 2013.

 

i mean, i used to hate the jet because "ha its so easy to kill the entire session with the jet", but no its not that easy, my perception changed the moment i started using the jet.

 

btw what would really be amusing is if R* add another jet in the coming months.

 

f-22 raptor or the a-10

 

all those explosive rounds hahaha

 

seriously, people are overreacting with the jet.

[l Marksman God l]

lol I love those threads about jets being OP and to buff the homo launcher, tanks were just good because they didn't show on the map

[Joey McCoy]

Why not just remove every weapon in the game so people can have their "safe space" freeroam?

 

I thought GTA was about killing people and stealing cars.

 

If you can't kill a jet or a tank, then maybe practice??

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

Just disable passive mode in vehicles with a gun on woud be nice for a start

[Tonguegirl]

 

we tell it like it is, maybe that why all griefers arguments are the same or maybe because we have been discussing the same "issue" since 2013.

 

i mean, i used to hate the jet because "ha its so easy to kill the entire session with the jet", but no its not that easy, my perception changed the moment i started using the jet.

 

btw what would really be amusing is if R* add another jet in the coming months.

 

f-22 raptor or the a-10

seriously, people are overreacting with the jet.

TBH I actually quite like playing around in a Lazer,(wouldn't waste $3M on a Hydra). Jets are fun, there's no two ways about it. But I can't bring myself to use the cannons on ground players in normal PvP. I'll happily chase their cars and use missiles, but I won't strafe them while they're on foot though there are exceptions(VIP,/freemode events, Griefers trying to get back in their Hydra, lol).

 

New jets would be great as would more AA ground weapons, and your right about the 'griefer argument' being around for a while. It's been going on for as long as online multiplayer games such as this have been around, pretty much.

 

But players aren't overreacting about jets, they are a big problem, and the reality is those same players are probably in the majority, and I'm guessing that the majority is significant. R* needs to give players the option of not being around jets should they choose (no armed jet lobbies). That way nothing is getting nerfed or removed and those who like jets can continue with what they're doing, and those who don't can get away from them.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Tonguegirl

[Retroview1955]

This game is designed for noobs. The jet is the weapon of choose for noobs.

[Shadowfennekin]

Just fix the system so you get BS points when you kill 5 players while you're in a jet within 5 minutes. Those pussies would end up in there and leave us MEN to play the real way.

[elfoam]

I always thought it was because jet kills take more skill and effort than tank kills. Killing in a jet is not as simple as "dive and spray".

 

Though at this point, I think the tank can use some kind of buff to its armor. Even this is more durable than the tank.

 

 

That for the record was a 100km/h crash in a solid wall and the car was full of sand bags. It was a deliberate maximum destruction test. Car itself is strong as usual

[LeAuxChord]

 

I always thought it was because jet kills take more skill and effort than tank kills. Killing in a jet is not as simple as "dive and spray".

 

exactly!

 

some people make it look easy, but it takes some time and practice to actually get good with a jet, not only you have to go for the target but you have to be aware or the surrounding buildings, homing missiles, street poles, trees, other jets, etc etc...

 

I don't know if were playing the same game but it doesn't take much to do any of that. You guys always talk it up like its some sort of daunting task that requires 10,000 hours to master. The jets move so slow in this game that maneuvering through obstacles and lining up shots doesn't take much.

 

Anyways on topic. I think significantly reducing the blast radius on explosive rounds would probably be the best way to go about it. Its enough to ween out the pray n spray guys who just rattle their right thumb sticks up and down, sweeping shots up and down the middle of a street. I think if they nerf anymore than that, that'll just create a lot more b*tching than we already have going on here. Coming from the opposing side of course.

 

I also believe that they will one day buff the tank, but thats just me.

[Eggobites90]

Yeah poor jet griefers, how will they ever have fun if they have to use regular bullets to kill players on the ground?

[FroudeyBrand]

If you can't take a jet down then sell yout GTA V disc,,,,,

1) Heavy Sniper a few good hits the jet starts to smoke - more hits (or a group of friends it blows up)

2) You know that you, yourself can go get a jet (hell spend 5k so you don't get wanted)

3) Go to another area...... the map is pretty big....

4) Get yourself a Buzzard

 

4 random things you can do... jet's aren't an issue YOU ARE!

[shadowoperative]

I would rather they buff us than nerf jets. In the meantime I don't let any jet juveniles get me. I go passive to make them earn it.

 

All you can do is not be an easy target.

[NecroNeedle]

buff the homing launcher thats all, as it stands its useless if the f*ckers can just circle around. well, they cant circle around a yacht with defenses on. but thats another story.

[Eggobites90]

If you can't take a jet down then sell yout GTA V disc,,,,,

 

1) Heavy Sniper a few good hits the jet starts to smoke - more hits (or a group of friends it blows up)

2) You know that you, yourself can go get a jet (hell spend 5k so you don't get wanted)

3) Go to another area...... the map is pretty big....

4) Get yourself a Buzzard

 

4 random things you can do... jet's aren't an issue YOU ARE!

All of those solutions involve me not doing what I want.

 

Come at me with guns and rockets on foot, but I shouldn't feel like I'm on Obamas drone kill list just for being in a public lobby.

[Razar]

It's so stupidly easy to take down a get, what's the big deal? You literally need just an Homing Launcher and a Sniper Rifle. I still think that most of the people who complains about jets are just bad at the game, there are no explanations other than this one.

Edited March 25, 2016 by TheIceWarrior

[shadowoperative]

For those of you who are so boss at taking down jets on foot...

 

Post those videos. And don't post videos of you shooting your friends down like that other fool did.

[Ithaca]

Passive mode and a yacht is usually quite effective in my experience. These people tend to be quite dumb.

 

Go into passive, call for a Hydra and if the jet griefer is following you around, go off the radar too.

 

Jump in your Hydra, the griefer will be paranoid and probably follow you to keep an eye on you to stop you popping up behind him and coming out of passive.

 

Take them over to your yacht with defenses on, disable passive mode when you think they're going to have to turn around or be shot down.

 

They usually fall for this and are either shot down by your yacht defenses or turn around so you're now behind them with passive mode disabled.

 

Shoot them down, grief them. Taste tears.

[Eggobites90]

Even if you are good at it, you WILL DIE MULTIPLE TIMES before shooting the jet down if the griefer chooses to target you.

[Razar]

For those of you who are so boss at taking down jets on foot...

 

Post those videos. And don't post videos of you shooting your friends down like that other fool did.

Target them with the Homing Launcher and then start shooting him/her with the Sniper Rifle while he is flying in circles: Either that Jet is going down (By the means of your Homing Launcher or your Sniper Rifle) or s/he is leaving the area, probably not coming back to you again. If s/he is actually coming back, repeat the process until s/he is dead. Is it really that hard? Edited March 25, 2016 by TheIceWarrior

[Ithaca]

 

For those of you who are so boss at taking down jets on foot...

 

Post those videos. And don't post videos of you shooting your friends down like that other fool did.

Target them with the Homing Launcher and then start shooting him/her with the Sniper Rifle while he is flying in circles: Either that Jet is going down (By the means of your Homing Launcher or your Sniper Rifle) or s/he is leaving the area, probably not coming back to you again. If s/he is actually coming back, repeat the process until s/he is dead. Is it really that hard?

 

Against a decent pilot it just doesn't work like that. Sure you might get the pilot away for a couple of minutes, but it's not as straight forward as you're making out lol.

[skyeyemx]

 

 

Jets should be way f*cking faster

This especially. If jets were going at 600mph, suddenly it would be a hell of a lot harder for them to pick people off with their cannons.

 

And it'd give an excuse to make everything else quicker. Quicker cars, 200mph Savage; everyone wins that way.

If vehicles went faster, you'd realize just how small Rockstar's map actually is. It's a little gameplay trick they've been using to improve their map design since GTA III.

 

They could do what Just Cause did, by making unbelievably gigantic maps and then having jets that can actually fly fast.

 

 

Although that would completely kill the "lots of super small details" thing that they've been doing since GTA IV.

And it'd kill land travel, too. Imagine driving five miles in a slowass AA gun tank just to get it into the closest garage (I had to do that once... it was worth it.)

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

Jets should take one missile to take down or 3-5 heavy sniper shots when im in a dog fight with one in the buzzard i have to hit them twice to their one shot on me......not fair really is it

[Mattoropael]

 

I don't have an issue with Jets... it adds to the whole violent universe that is, GTA5...

 

Like someone already said... If you got a problem, get up in the air and take care of business with equal weaponry... Sometimes you just meet better killers and then it's just shrug it off and move on, or switch sessions... Or sent over a mugger or merryweather to do your bidding... Lots of things available to get even...

Okay so short of hiding, going passive, or leaving the session, I have to stop whatever I'm doing to grab my jet and fight them?

 

Absolutely not. Give me a homing launcher worth a damn and we wouldn't have the jet griefers as often to begin with.

 

 

*Complains about jet having easy kills* *Demands even easier kill against all vehicles*

 

This is one of those times when I'm glad that R* don't give a flying f*ck to the community's demands.

[Yozora]

Only if they nerf the homing launcher too.

 

Want to nerf jets? Then the weapon that's supposed to counter them can be nerfed as well.

 

Personally, I'd be more in favour of just adding more vehicles that can fight jets. Anti air stuff, that kind of thing.

I agree. Add more vehicles and weapons to balance combat. Nurfing imo is the developers being lazy.

[jatiger13]

 

There is a reason however for why the Hydra needs to be nerfed - it is extremely overpowered and the fact that all the jet whimps have to do to get cheap, easy, skilless kills is to shoot within 15 feet of a player with the cannon is pretty stupid.

 

 

 

Nerf the cannon all you want. I don't use it unless I'm fighting another jet. When I dive bomb ants on the ground, I always use the missiles.

So a cannon nerf wouldn't hurt me. I'd still be able to annoy the ants on the ground.

 

 

 

Jets should be way f*cking faster

 

This especially. If jets were going at 600mph, suddenly it would be a hell of a lot harder for them to pick people off with their cannons.

 

 

You know, you don't have to go full speed when diving for the kill.

Even if the jets were much faster, you'd still have a choice when it comes to how fast you want to go. So really, it wouldn't change anything.

Edited March 25, 2016 by jatiger13

[jatiger13]

Just disable passive mode in vehicles with a gun on woud be nice for a start

That's stupid.

If so, they should disable passive in EVERY vehicle. I mean, you can shoot other players when you're in a car. Name a vehicle, it is or can be used for killing. All of 'em.

 

 

Those pussies would end up in there and leave us MEN to play the real way.

Cute. In fact, I'd call it adorable.

 

 

 

Target them with the Homing Launcher and then start shooting him/her with the Sniper Rifle while he is flying in circles: Either that Jet is going down (By the means of your Homing Launcher or your Sniper Rifle) or s/he is leaving the area, probably not coming back to you again. If s/he is actually coming back, repeat the process until s/he is dead. Is it really that hard?

That tactic is useless against good pilots, like me.

Why? Being predictable in a jet is bad news. If a HL locks on to me, I just start an erratic loop. The sniper doesn't stand a chance at hitting me, because it's an erratic loop.

So this HL/sniper tactic would only work against bad/stupid pilots who are dumb enough to fly in a circle to avoid the HL.

 

Remain unpredictable while in a jet. Unpredictability is the snipers worst nightmare.

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Edit: double post... f*ck it. Didn't want to bother the staff with it... again

Edited March 25, 2016 by jatiger13

[shadowoperative]

 

Just disable passive mode in vehicles with a gun on woud be nice for a start

That's stupid.

If so, they should disable passive in EVERY vehicle. I mean, you can shoot other players when you're in a car. Name a vehicle, it is or can be used for killing. All of 'em.

 

 

Those pussies would end up in there and leave us MEN to play the real way.

Cute. In fact, I'd call it adorable.

 

 

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Edit: double post... f*ck it. Didn't want to bother the staff with it... again

No he said vehicles with a gun. Don't reply until you read the whole thing.

[jatiger13]

Child please, i read the whole thing.

 

All vehicles have a gun. Some have them mounted while others are handheld by the driver or passenger/s.

 

 

Tie passive to the mental stages. Once you're past a certain stage, you cant go passive. No matter what. That would last until your "cooled" down to a certain stage. It would cut down on all those red and pink dots abusing passive.

Edited March 25, 2016 by jatiger13

[BlackMilk]

Waiting for Rockstar to nerf jets is a silly thing to do. I've long ago accepted that it will never happen and since I can't be bothered to spend too much time trying to shoot them down when I'm just trying to do something in the city, I avoid them, usually going to another session.

 

Anyway, would it actually hurt if the Lazer and Hydra no longer had explosive cannon rounds? It's a given that in this case, the homing launcher would have to be nerfed into the ground or even removed. But what if? There's no glory in swooping down and killing players on the ground by holding a button for a second and a half and causing twenty explosions with accuracy and ease.

Why not make aerial combat just that again? Shooting down other aircraft. And instead of endlessly circling eachother and waiting for the opportunity to hit the other pilot with a SINGLE ROUND, why not make them more interesting and just have regular rounds that damage the other aircraft?

Flying a jet isn't hard, also not that easy, though it depends on the situation. I've spent almost no time in them and I'd need practice before I'm able to deal with multiple aggressors while flying one. Others zip around the map and blow up every other player in sight without breaking a sweat.

 

Is that fun? I'm sure it is! But how can anyone really brag about piloting jets in the game's current state when there's not a steep learning curve and you practically kill anything by touching it? Wouldn't it be more impressive if you got your kills by taking down equally skilled pilots in dogfights that aren't over when you have the other player in your sight for a split second and no longer?

 

As for the tank, anyone with a brain can clearly see that the decision to weaken the Rhino and leaving the jets untouched is a very weird one.

Theoretically speaking the tank is a juggernaut. It's not extremely slow in GTA:V and it packs a punch.

But in (virtual) reality, how dangerous is it really? The only danger it ever truly posed was when tank users were just regular blips instead of special icons on the map and you couldn't see it coming in time.

 

And even if it did manage to get you, being able to respawn somewhere else in passive mode made sure you could get away. Especially in the city there's a thousand ways to (in passive mode) get away from a rhino since there's many places it cannot go, plenty of obstacles for you to climb over or run behind. You get out of sight, get a little distance and drive away. End of story. The only way you could repeatedly fall victim to the same tank is if you refuse to go into passive mode and/or you don't actually make an effort to escape. But guess what, the exact same thing happens when you're fighting other players. You could spawn in the middle of the road and they'd kill you easy.

The Rhino took quite a few hits to go down, but made itself an easy target by being a large, noisy land vehicle. And even if you didn't bother trying to blow it up or grouping up with other players (let's say from different directions, for your personal safety), you could simply drive away and ignore it. Sure, a stubborn tank user can try chasing you around the map, but it won't keep up.

 

Jets however, are a very different story. There are lots of incompetent pilots, but those tend to fly into buildings, mountains and even the ground most of the time. Most pilots (that I've seen) that spent a lot of time up in the air were either good pilots or not aggressive. The second group being extremely small because most people don't bother stealing a Lazer if they're not planning on attacking other players.

 

The possibilities with jets are much greater than with the Rhino. They can cross large distances quickly and once again, blow up anything that moves in a split second. The main difference with the jet and the tank is that when there's a jet in play, you have to be on your toes all the time. For safety, you have to constantly look at the map OR be near decent cover and possibly even ready to enter passive mode. Not doing those things puts you at risk, just like standing idly by when player blips come racing your way and you assume them to be friendly and not to try to run you over or put a hole in your head.

 

I've read a couple of arguments and while they're fairly decent, it doesn't seem to work out that way most of the time. Obviously I'm only speaking from my own experience and what I've seen.

 

1. Most jet pilots are incompetent. Perhaps true, but there's plenty of decent pilots out there and you only need one to do what I said above, effectively being able to terrorise a whole session by yourself.

2. They're easy to take out. That might be, but this is all up to circumstances. There's a lot of players under R90 out there, lacking the heavy sniper. The homing launcher is highly ineffective on it's own against any pilot who has the slightest clue as to what they're doing. And unless you're near some great cover, you're always an easy target. And forget about driving away, that works for Rhino's, but against a jet you're just a bigger duck.

Theoretically yes, it shouldn't be difficult to take out a jet. But there can be many things working against players on the ground. Personally I've barely taken down any, mostly because my homing launcher doesn't do the trick, they lag and I can't hit them manually, and most of them fixated on me instead of going to other players so I could get in some easy shots. Going off-radar helped sometimes but is in no way something that guarantees victory.

3. You can just leave the session. Absolutely true! And I say this myself as well when people complain. However in my opinion, players shouldn't be forced out of sessions because of a single player unless that player is simply cheating. Coupled with the fact that like I said before, a single pilot can "take care" of a whole session by themselves, chances of running into another one in the next session are pretty high.

 

I don't know how many times I have to point out the obvious here, I'm considering making one post and just copy pasting it from now on.

Fact is, jets are faster and more deadly than tanks. They're much harder to avoid and make it impossible to just go about your business in a public session, whereas a tank can only "grief" you if you're extremely lazy. The Rhino nerf was unnecessary IMO, the icon wasn't even necessary but that's fine, since I don't know if everyone HEARD the tank coming in time to get away.

Basically it comes down to this, one jet pilot has a much bigger impact on a session than one tank user. And with the "skill level" (lack of a better term, but you get the point) of the average GTA:O player, it's rarely a fair fight when a jet pilot challenges someone on the ground.

 

Seriously, most people I've met are complete idiots. And I do believe they deserve to be in public sessions without being obliterated by explosive rounds from the sky all the time.

 

Another thing, it's a real shame that some posters feel the need to log on to a message board and put down other opinions as "crying", complimenting that with pointless statements about how they have to get better at the game and move on.

These are discussions, people discuss subjects. If you're not mature enough to participate without trying to look edgy and cool, don't log on to a forum in the first place. And if you really don't care at all, don't post about it. Also, don't bother replying to people's posts if you can't read them fully. It makes you look lazy and stupid and doesn't do anything for the discussion.

 

Well anyway, at the end of the day we know that Rockstar favours the jets over anything else. They might be ignorant of a few things but they surely know the community fairly well and how the Lazer and Hydra stand above all, given the circumstances. You can discuss this thing to death, but don't go expecting change, several years after release - with complaints having started nearly at that time already.

 

TL:DR: No tl:dr for you. Read the post you lazy monkey.

 

EDIT: Something I'd like to add. Let's stop assuming that all jet pilots and tank users are griefers. They're not and you know this.

You probably don't notice the ones that aren't constantly killing other players because the others draw all the attention to them.

Same goes for forum users, please stop responding to people with "oh, you have that opinion so you MUST be in THAT crowd".

Edited March 25, 2016 by BlackMilk