it's so difficult to have a decent dogfight in this game

[Cudwieser]

I like the Mustang/Spitfire idea. Would be pretty even or at least intersting. As for the Jets, just leave as is. I like a good dogfight. The truth of dog fighting is that most of the skill is in evasion, not the kill. More often than not dog fighters run out of fuel before they are shot down with kill ratios being remarkably low for the average fighter. Only the exceptional gain more than 5 kills before being shot down or having to disengage (not really a GTA problem). back to GTA things are fine as they are. Just learn to fly the plane and get an idea of which way you're pointing and where the sun is.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Cudwieser

[CrysisAverted]

hahahaha holy sh*t

get in a "dog fight"

the dude just keeps doing inside loops spamming the cannons

about to align myself to take him out

he and like 6 players in my lobby of 28 disconnect

 

GG

Edited March 4, 2016 by CrysisAverted

[KornbreadMaf1a]

Have dogfight on last gen

Get behind player

Win dogfight

Get ejected from Jet by modder

Get assraped

 

Have dogfight on next gen

Get behind player

They go passive

Stalemate

 

GG R* Quality PVP

How's it R* fault that some players play like bitches? That's like blaming activision for people camping in COD.

 

I'll never understand why some people live on this forum and continue to play the game when they seem to hate it so much.

[CarimboHanky]

god no dogfights are ok...

 

just tonight i was playing and got into a few dogfights and won most of them without shooting a single shot, this 2 dudes keep trying to lineup a shot while in passive, so i just started flying at tree top altitude, zigzagging between and they couldnt keep up with me and crashed haha

[CrysisAverted]

 

Have dogfight on last gen

Get behind player

Win dogfight

Get ejected from Jet by modder

Get assraped

 

Have dogfight on next gen

Get behind player

They go passive

Stalemate

 

GG R* Quality PVP

How's it R* fault that some players play like bitches? That's like blaming activision for people camping in COD.

 

I'll never understand why some people live on this forum and continue to play the game when they seem to hate it so much.

 

 

Don't confuse my passion for this with hate.

also

R* tweaks passive so you can use it in vehicles including armed aircraft

over a year later after implementing factors such as no-passive for gold aircraft and player mentality.

they still haven't been bothered to use these new systems in place to prevent passive abuse

Sure its the players the may abuse it but doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed, R* sure as hell fixed money glitches and some* wallbreaches, even though they weren't to blame, the players were. R* is the only party capable of change in this situation.

Edited March 4, 2016 by CrysisAverted

[GTA_dog]

A dogfight may suck, but try 1v1 a jet greiver in a buzzard. If you have any skills (or the jet greiver is a rank 8000, with absolutely no skills), you can have a good time dodging rockets and get a few kills in, before you see them rage quit.

 

Seriously, try it against someone in a jet with illegitimate stats. You have a good chance of winning since "unexplainably high ranked chumps" only play to own stuff, and can't actually defend themselves too well.

Edited March 4, 2016 by YngDady

[The Wandering Hunter]

Instead of bothering with jets, I'd like them to add a P51 Mustang with regular ballistic weapons. No explosive rounds. Me and my friend would dogfight all the time in saints row 2 with the Wolverine.

yh

[Nomis24]

IMO dog fight are not really fun in this game. I enjoy a lot more dogfighting in bf4. You need to align your shot, you need to manage your speed for the optimal turn radius. Its two completely different game I know. I would enjoy the comeback of the Rustler or a armed Duster without any explosive round.

 

As for the hydra and lazer, maybe a nerf in the blast radius of the round could be great. I don't like the fact that you can kill someone on the ground without really knowing where he is by just shooting everywhere around his location on the map. It's way too easy.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Nomis24

[MikeMyth]

Authentic dogfights with aircraft from the same era would be great. Not gonna say actual planes people wouldn't know about unless they look it up, so just imagine something similar to the Duster with machine gun turrets.

[MikeSynyster]

The most fun I have dogfighting is winding up hydras with a besra until they take the bait and then taking them low and into built up areas until they crash. Should be able to add hydra stickers to the besras fuselage for kills taken in this way.

 

 

Before I get flamed I fly hydras too

 

I'm guilty of being stupid enough to fall for this! Chase a jet all the way down the map just to see a Besra

[Cudwieser]

Authentic dogfights with aircraft from the same era would be great. Not gonna say actual planes people wouldn't know about unless they look it up, so just imagine something similar to the Duster with machine gun turrets.

 

Or the Rustler

 

For the record and as a matter of personal interest I'd like these hobby planes

 

 

 

P51

 

 

It's forebear the Supermarine Spitfire

The Grumman Hellcat (Need to hit these things head on for a certain kill)

Schmidt 109 (Hero's have their foes. Also note an old GTA name.)

 

 

Zero (flimsy beyond belief but bloody fast)

 

Edited March 4, 2016 by Cudwieser

[BlaringFiddle]

where is this dogfighting? I have found a couple deathmatches and a vs. mode I think with dogfighting as the main purpose. All of them seem to start you at the same airport ... that devolves into flying around in circles around each other. I did fight someone one time who managed to get behind me no matter what I did and take me out ... he was gooooood.... but mostly I can't even get any of these activities started as I can't get anyone to join.

[Smooth Longsack]

Merge-type dogfights already last much longer than rng/small arms battles. Give us a besra with the buzzard or valkyrie gun. Full time pilots would use the F outta this to police the skies for lazers and hydras.

[Cudwieser]

where is this dogfighting? I have found a couple deathmatches and a vs. mode I think with dogfighting as the main purpose. All of them seem to start you at the same airport ... that devolves into flying around in circles around each other. I did fight someone one time who managed to get behind me no matter what I did and take me out ... he was gooooood.... but mostly I can't even get any of these activities started as I can't get anyone to join.

Depends on the session you're in or if you use the meet up threads. Truth be that if there is a Jet Griefer (to use a vernacular) in a session you can instigate a dog fight. (get a hydra or a Buzzard if you are feeling very brave).

 

As for dog fighting that is what a lot of it is, Evasion.

 

@ Longsack I like the idea of mixed craft and have had fun baiting hydra with a buzzard. As slow as the buzzard is, if the pilot of the hydra doesn't grasp the closing speeds and actual maneuverablity of the buzzard they often over shoot and get killed. In a built up area choppers have an edge.

[BlaringFiddle]

 

where is this dogfighting? I have found a couple deathmatches and a vs. mode I think with dogfighting as the main purpose. All of them seem to start you at the same airport ... that devolves into flying around in circles around each other. I did fight someone one time who managed to get behind me no matter what I did and take me out ... he was gooooood.... but mostly I can't even get any of these activities started as I can't get anyone to join.

Depends on the session you're in or if you use the meet up threads. Truth be that if there is a Jet Griefer (to use a vernacular) in a session you can instigate a dog fight. (get a hydra or a Buzzard if you are feeling very brave).

 

As for dog fighting that is what a lot of it is, Evasion.

 

@ Longsack I like the idea of mixed craft and have had fun baiting hydra with a buzzard. As slow as the buzzard is, if the pilot of the hydra doesn't grasp the closing speeds and actual maneuverablity of the buzzard they often over shoot and get killed. In a built up area choppers have an edge.

 

 

yes - i know that is what dogfighting is .. but after your death, they should start you at a different airport instead of the one you have been flying around in circles above for 30 minutes.

[enjoyingorc6742]

just created a dogfight match using the LTS creator. XB1 only

 

job: http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/xboxone/jobs/job/li7NXtBIsEy_N38LsP1R9Q#

[Retroview1955]

This is GTA, not Ace Combat. Develop a ground game instead of running for a jet when someone is owning you on the streets and hoping someone else will try and fight you then.

[Arrows to Athens]

Whenever I'm dogfighting another jet with my jet, I will shoot their jet with my cannons, but it will stay intact despite having hit them. I can even see the explosions happen on their jet as I hit them. Wtf?

[CrysisAverted]

Whenever I'm dogfighting another jet with my jet, I will shoot their jet with my cannons, but it will stay intact despite having hit them. I can even see the explosions happen on their jet as I hit them. Wtf?

 

The kind of quality pvp you can expect from a AAA dev with sh*t servers

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Whenever I'm dogfighting another jet with my jet, I will shoot their jet with my cannons, but it will stay intact despite having hit them. I can even see the explosions happen on their jet as I hit them. Wtf?

 

The kind of quality pvp you can expect from a AAA dev with sh*t servers

 

Yeah, and when you take away a player's health and you see them drop dead for a split second, but then get back up to their feet again as if they never died and instantly gun you down.

[I.haigh]

just get rid of the explosive rounds.

This.

[SPECTER II]

I say remove explosive rounds and double explosive radius for missiles.

Edited March 8, 2016 by SPECTER II

[CarimboHanky]

I say remove explosive rounds and double explosive radius for missiles.

missiles are like the most boring way of killing a person, theres no challenge in that.

 

yesterday i was playing "acquire targets" versus mode and when 36-6 on a single round, pretty much owning the entire opposition because i used the cannon while they all relay on the lock on missile, which one can easily dodge.

[SPECTER II]

 

I say remove explosive rounds and double explosive radius for missiles.

missiles are like the most boring way of killing a person, theres no challenge in that.

 

yesterday i was playing "acquire targets" versus mode and when 36-6 on a single round, pretty much owning the entire opposition because i used the cannon while they all relay on the lock on missile, which one can easily dodge.

I only use cannons, but as much as I love it, it's practically owning a dual explosive minigun in the air. If we can't own one on the ground, why can we have one in the air (including infinite free homing missiles)? Edited March 8, 2016 by SPECTER II

[Cudwieser]

How about no explosive rounds, but increased damage to regular rounds.

[CarimboHanky]

 

 

I say remove explosive rounds and double explosive radius for missiles.

missiles are like the most boring way of killing a person, theres no challenge in that.

 

yesterday i was playing "acquire targets" versus mode and when 36-6 on a single round, pretty much owning the entire opposition because i used the cannon while they all relay on the lock on missile, which one can easily dodge.

I only use cannons, but as much as I love it, it's practically owning a dual explosive minigun in the air. If we can't own one on the ground, why can we have one in the air (including infinite free homing missiles)?its a fighter jet!

 

its supposed to be powerful.

 

i just hope one day they add the a-10 warthog

[SPECTER II]

 

 

 

I say remove explosive rounds and double explosive radius for missiles.

missiles are like the most boring way of killing a person, theres no challenge in that.

yesterday i was playing "acquire targets" versus mode and when 36-6 on a single round, pretty much owning the entire opposition because i used the cannon while they all relay on the lock on missile, which one can easily dodge.

I only use cannons, but as much as I love it, it's practically owning a dual explosive minigun in the air. If we can't own one on the ground, why can we have one in the air (including infinite free homing missiles)?its a fighter jet!

its supposed to be powerful.

i just hope one day they add the a-10 warthog

I used to have that jet as my YouTube profile pic. Hopefully they add something like that to diversify air combat.

[Juicyfer]

The LAZER, as it stands right now, is practically an A-10.

 

I'm all for increasing the explosive radius of unguided missiles by about 7 meters and give it the Buzzard's miniguns, which do well against other aircraft (3 to 6 seconds TtK) and unarmored vehicles but is useless against infantry.

 

Also, adding an A-10 to replace the LAZER's lack of explosive miniguns. With handling similar to the Titan's and very high loiter time, it will be to the LAZER what the Savage is to the Buzzard: slow and easy to hit, yet devastating against ground targets.

[Kronichh]

 

By all means, but not to 5% as that would make them weaker than everything, and please look up the definition of the word "supersonic"

irl the hydra is not supersonic I know, the laser probably is. but the game would crash at those speeds so it can't be done so they go only slightly faster than a max speed car

 

tested in SP with mods the absolute fastest any vehicle can go is 335.2MPH, P-996 LAZER taking the cake with maximum moddable upgrades and non-teleport motion, I'll get a video soon after I get my new GPU so my frames arent at like 5. Second fastest was the Bati 801 drop technique (hitting the side of the building) with 334.7MPH, third being Banshee900R Super traction custom drag strip with 334.4MPH... This probably wasnt helpful but MEH, I felt like sharing this.

[Halal Cyborg]

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