SUPRA TUESDAY

[GTA_stu]

Why do people think Trump is an idiot? He might not necesarily be an intelectual, but come on he isn't some dumb fool who has no idea what he's doing. He's a very shrewd and savvy individual. He's got more opponents and more people against him than pretty much any previous presidential candidate, and yet he still comes out on top every time and is winning against all the odds, and convincingly so. He's smashed previous favourites like Jeb and Christie, he's proving everyone wrong and outstripping all expectations.

[Adriaan]

When they do the exit polls, it would have been great if the questions included:

 

1.) Do you believe the moon landings were faked?

2.) Do you believe Osama Bin Laden's killing and capture was faked?

3.) Can you find the U.S. map on a world map?

4.) Which country is located closest to Russia: North Korea, or South Korea?

5. ) Was Obama born in Kenya?

 

And then see how the incorrect answers correlate to people who voted for Trump.

[MyName'sJeff]

Why do people think Trump is an idiot? He might not necesarily be an intelectual, but come on he isn't some dumb fool who has no idea what he's doing. He's a very shrewd and savvy individual. He's got more opponents and more people against him than pretty much any previous presidential candidate, and yet he still comes out on top every time and is winning against all the odds, and convincingly so. He's smashed previous favourites like Jeb and Christie, he's proving everyone wrong and outstripping all expectations.

Are you saying you support Trump? Even after some of the insane sh*t he has come up with? Because if you do, UKIP is waiting for your vote the next time, you probably voted for them last year anyway and it didn't make a blind bit of difference and never will. Trump is an imbecile, a c*nt, and a racist person who bought his way to the candidates list.

[GTA_stu]

Because if you do, UKIP is waiting for your vote the next time, you probably voted for them last year anyway and it didn't make a blind bit of difference and never will.

 

[Adriaan]

Are you saying you support Trump? Even after some of the insane sh*t he has come up with? Because if you do, UKIP is waiting for your vote the next time, you probably voted for them last year anyway and it didn't make a blind bit of difference and never will. Trump is an imbecile, a c*nt, and a racist person who bought his way to the candidates list.

 

^ Oh look, a protester.

 

Anyway, here's an interesting map to work out Trump's chances of actually winning: http://www.270towin.com/

 

When looking at how many votes Romney got in 2012 against Obama, it becomes quite scary when you realize Trump's got a chance to win against Hilldog.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Adriaan

[Not A Nice Person]

Nobody has time to vote at 12am.

 

Also, I'm inclined to disagree with the chart in the OP. New York has a color that's not listed in the color key, and we're voting in April. The rest of the states look stupid as it could have been presented better.

It's wrong. I got confused and research.

[Niobium]

This thread is a pretty good read.

that's why i love this forum. this site can be a lot of fun

Edited March 2, 2016 by Niobium

[Flachbau]

Nobody has time to vote at 12am.

 

Nobody is voting at 12 AM, bruh.

[El Dildo]

we just got home.

Colorado is likely going to Bernie but Hillary is trending way more superdelegates across the board.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

[Crossed]

f*ck Hilary. Trumps a worse celeb joke then Regan. If he wins I hope he floods the country with cocaine like Regan did so we can be numb at apocalypses door.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

Super Tuseday followed by holy sh*t Trump Wednesday.

Edited March 2, 2016 by AiraCobra

[El Dildo]

I'm pretty sure that's every Wednesday.

[Typhus]

Trump is nothing but a reaction to a deep cultural gulf between communities within America.

More, he is an inevitable sympton of the hard left's lack of compromise and foresight. Leftist movements, be they feminism or Black Lives Matter, are morally just, but lack one vital aspect: Ideological purity.

The result? More radical, fringe voices are allowed to pollute these movements and sully the whole lot. Apolitical people are frightened, and vote for someone who can fight back against these elements.

 

An overabundance of liberty has caused the ascent of Trump. A society without such an emphasis on free speech would never tolerate him, and so never tolerate hard leftists fermenting sedition against the lawful government and its people.

Something has to give. The American notion of individual liberty simply does not work, and Trump's success is proof of it.

[sivispacem]

The hard left doesn't really exist in America, certainly not as a coherent or cohesive political entity. Their idea of "left-wing" correlates roughly with the centre-right everywhere else in the world, and neither of the movements you cite as left-wing is explicitly so.

 

It's ironic you somehow seem to lay the blame for the rise of Trump on both the left and the concept of "too much freedom", given that the two are borderline contradictory. The American "left" are typified by pro-regulation/pro-regulation stance, support for economic and social interventionism and a desire to balance individual freedom for social and economic good. What you actually appear to be describing is the objectivist/libertarian school of thought which is about as far from left, American or otherwise, as you can get.

[Typhus]

The hard left doesn't really exist in America, certainly not as a coherent or cohesive political entity. Their idea of "left-wing" correlates roughly with the centre-right everywhere else in the world, and neither of the movements you cite as left-wing is explicitly so.

 

It's ironic you somehow seem to lay the blame for the rise of Trump on both the left and the concept of "too much freedom", given that the two are borderline contradictory. The American "left" are typified by pro-regulation/pro-regulation stance, support for economic and social interventionism and a desire to balance individual freedom for social and economic good. What you actually appear to be describing is the objectivist/libertarian school of thought which is about as far from left, American or otherwise, as you can get.

To be fair, I don't attribute blame for Trump's success on the "Left" as an entity, but with elements inside it - which are often, quite paradoxically, much closer to the far right.

For instance, if one looks at the Black Lives Matter movement - among supporters you might find groups like the Hebrew Israelites, who believe that all white people are "Edomites" and will be overthrown and enslaved. Or, on in the sphere of media, you might have someone like Gazi Kodzo on YouTube, who might express support for the movement, yet at the same time call white people "cave beasts" and make arguments based on eugenics as to why white people are mentally inferior.

Feminism, too, is rife with this kind of demagoguery. One only needs to look into Political Lesbianism, or Lesbian Separatism, to see the absolute vitriol of these people. Such people come into a dialogue about women's rights, and make absurd claims about putting men into "camps", or reducing the male population, or other nonsense.

 

And, this is the issue, rather than laugh off these fools, people take them at their word. Many do seem to believe that these movements, and the pursuit of social justice in general, is a nefarious plot to topple society and somehow "oppress" white people, men, Christians, and so on.

This is a direct result of these people being given the freedom to voice their opinions, and irresponsibly harm important social movements.

The end result is that people no longer want to listen, they want someone to come along and shut these people up, because the movements themselves have allowed themselves to be misrepresented and have not done enough to silence the kind of Tumblr-esque kill all white people/men/cis people brigade.

 

Trump is just a symptom of this, and nothing more. People want regressive policies, because the progressive movement has been infiltrated and hijacked - and the saddest thing? Even now, with everything going wrong, these people still lack the self awareness to change their tactics, or accept responsibility for the image they present.

[Abel.]

Hebrew Israelites, who believe that all white people are "Edomites" and will be overthrown and enslaved.

 

 

Whatever happened to You shall not despise an Edomite, for he is your brother.

 

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9987/jewish/Chapter-23.htm

 

(In any case the notion of the "Hebrew Israelites" actually being modern-day Israelites is false, as is any analogue between Edomites and Europeans. The only real black Jews are black orthodox converts and the Beta Israel community).

 

 

I've seen some of what you're talking about coming from the BDS movement. Not everyone who identifies with it is that bad. Funnily enough a half-Palestinian man I spoke to was somewhat reasonable, but a British woman who's a proponent was (at best) remarkably dismissive and condescending and, at worst, hateful, spouting borderline libel ranging from "Israel has a sterilisation program" to "Israel has a policy of poisoning Palestinians". Basically the modern analogue of mixing children's blood with Passover bread. Every counterpoint I made was ignored as she went back to the tired old ideas of an insidious Zionist agenda and Zionism as settler-colonialism, anything good I could say about the Jews was shot down. She also knew very little about the history of the Middle East or the government of Israel. All people like her do is create further division. As you suggest, Typhus, the tragedy is that the worst of these groups speak loudest, drowning out any voice of reason.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Failure

[kipakolonyasi]

trump is stumping but bernie is losing i wanted bernie to be nominated but he still has a chance right?

[sivispacem]

Feminism, too, is rife with this kind of demagoguery.

Eh? It really, really isn't.

 

The notion that there's some kind of extremist undercurrent "rife", to use your word, in feminism is extraordinarily misguided. It's no different from any other attempt to whitewash a movement by highlighting extremists associated with it whilst ignoring the movement as a whole.

 

You must be able to see that the views of the handful of extremists cited by "anti-feminist" individuals don't have their views reflected in those of the vast majority of people who identify as feminist?

[Creed Bratton]

Why do people think Trump is an idiot? He might not necesarily be an intelectual, but come on he isn't some dumb fool who has no idea what he's doing. He's a very shrewd and savvy individual.

Nope. He is an idiot. He's gotten this far only because he's fun to watch and the media didn't call him out on his bullsh*t because of the ratings. That's all going to change in the general election. He won't be able to say blatantly false and contradictory things without everyone in the media calling him out on it. He won't be able to refuse a debate or to dictate the rules of a debate. His entire life will be on display, every lie he ever told, every dirty little secret and things that people have forgotten about him. He is an idiot because he didn't take any of that into consideration. He's not just an idiot, he's an arrogant idiot. He thinks that the way he's been treated so far in the media won't change. It will. Suddenly, in the general election everyone will turn into John Oliver over every Trump statement ever. But he doesn't think 5 seconds into the future. How can someone with such low mental capabilities be a serious candidate?

[the_grizzly_man]

 

Why do people think Trump is an idiot? He might not necesarily be an intelectual, but come on he isn't some dumb fool who has no idea what he's doing. He's a very shrewd and savvy individual.

Nope. He is an idiot. He's gotten this far only because he's fun to watch and the media didn't call him out on his bullsh*t because of the ratings. That's all going to change in the general election. He won't be able to say blatantly false and contradictory things without everyone in the media calling him out on it. He won't be able to refuse a debate or to dictate the rules of a debate. His entire life will be on display, every lie he ever told, every dirty little secret and things that people have forgotten about him. He is an idiot because he didn't take any of that into consideration. He's not just an idiot, he's an arrogant idiot. He thinks that the way he's been treated so far in the media won't change. It will. Suddenly, in the general election everyone will turn into John Oliver over every Trump statement ever. But he doesn't think 5 seconds into the future. How can someone with such low mental capabilities be a serious candidate?

 

Sadly I think you're wrong. Trump knows who his demographic is - lots and lots of very pissed off Americans who are anti Washington and anti status quo politics. Trump speaks to them and he clearly isn't an establishment candidate despite being a billionaire businessman. The more anti-normal he comes across the more votes he gets - he's the alternative - the person who says the stuff you're not supposed to say but does.

 

Don't get me wrong I think he's a divisive and dangerous but I think he stands a good chance of being the next president as whole areas of the US will never vote for Hillary C.

 

There's an excellent BBC article on this theme - on why even the Republican Party has misjudged Trump: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35662836

[Typhus]

 

Feminism, too, is rife with this kind of demagoguery.

Eh? It really, really isn't.

 

The notion that there's some kind of extremist undercurrent "rife", to use your word, in feminism is extraordinarily misguided. It's no different from any other attempt to whitewash a movement by highlighting extremists associated with it whilst ignoring the movement as a whole.

 

You must be able to see that the views of the handful of extremists cited by "anti-feminist" individuals don't have their views reflected in those of the vast majority of people who identify as feminist?

 

I do see it, you're absolutely right.

But my question to you is this: In a world where women's rights are so important, and are trampled on so often, should the fringe elements even have the right to sully their own cause?

I don't believe so. I don't believe these voices, however ridiculous and seemingly powerless, should be given any legal protection. And yes, I extend that to Trump.

How can a civilized people call themselves so when they allow a man to spew out hate speech, and so denigrate huge swathes of the population? He should have never gotten this far. To be blunt, for some of the things he has said, the man should have been arrested.

[sivispacem]

I would argue in the case of feminism that it's intentional misrepresentation, poisoning of the well conducted by dectractirs which actually sullies the cause. The only people who pay attention to the extremists are those looking to use them to attack the movement as a whole.

 

Trump, I would argue, is the opposite. He's basically a populist firebrand whose entire appeal comes from the careful crafting of his image as a figure isolated from the political class when in reality he's basically the epitome of the celebrity politician (see also: Reagan, Schwarzenegger). Basically, he's very good at using his money and image to appeal to the disenfranchised.

[Dondara]

The fact that every moron socialist hates Trump is the reason I support him.

 

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” P.J. O'Rourke

[AlienTwo]

 

The fact that every moron socialist hates Trump is the reason I support him.

 

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” P.J. O'Rourke

 

How about instead of quotes from PJ O'Rourke you look at some of the brilliance coming out of Drumpf's own mouth;

 

"An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a fraud."

 

"I dealt with Gaddafi. I rented him a piece of land. He paid me more for one night than the land was worth for two years, and then I didn't let him use the land. That's what we should be doing. I don't want to use the word "screwed," but I screwed him. That's what we should be doing."

 

"Rosie O'Donnell's disgusting both inside and out. You take a look at her, she's a slob. She talks like a truck driver, she doesn't have her facts, she'll say anything that comes to her mind. Her show failed when it was a talk show, the ratings went very, very, very low and very bad, and she got essentially thrown off television. I mean she's basically a disaster."

 

"I don't who David Duke is" - 2016

 

"David Duke is a bigot, a racist, a problem.” - 2000

[MyName'sJeff]

 

The fact that every moron socialist hates Trump is the reason I support him.

 

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” P.J. O'Rourke

 

If that's how you categorise normal individuals for going against an undeveloped ape with cash to burn, then I'd love to hear what you class yourself and other farty supporters as. I'm guessing you'd love to work for ACN right?

[LightningLord]

"I don't who David Duke is" - 2016

 

"David Duke is a bigot, a racist, a problem.” - 2000

Lmao.

[AlienTwo]

 

The fact that every moron socialist hates Trump is the reason I support him.

 

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” P.J. O'Rourke

 

Also, here's another by someone who has actually earned their respect:

 

"“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”" - John F. Kennedy

[make total destroy]

 

The fact that every moron socialist hates Trump is the reason I support him.

 

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” P.J. O'Rourke

 

Liberals aren't socialists, and socialists aren't liberals.

 

So basically, you support Trump because you're a moron.

[Fonz]

"I want to abolish private property and maintain it at the same time."

--Liberal Socialism(?)

[Voodoo]

This topic isn't really about super Tuesday anymore, is it? Finish your drinks and head to the after party - http://gtaforums.com/topic/784280-us-presidential-election-2016/