Can we take a moment to appreciate the script of this game?

[SmokesWithCigs]

its always story this , script that... not to knock your thread but why don't people talk about what really makes a game what really count, action. its a video game not a book or a movie.

[ChiroVette]

its always story this , script that... not to knock your thread but why don't people talk about what really makes a game what really count, action. its a video game not a book or a movie.

 

I think the intent here is to not have ONE thread and one thread only where the game is discussed, but to have very general topics as well as extremely specific ones. This is one of the latter. I don't see anything wrong with expounding on one facet of a game and geek out on it a little.

[Officer620]

You know what the problem is? Yes, you are correct. While I agree with you about HaRdSTyLe_83's post, the problem we have is that you guys only ever correct or admonish people on the other side of the debate. Not ONE IV fan had a problem with Officer620's blatant troll and baiting in this thread before a mod THANKFULLY removed it and some other offensive posts.

 

Troll and baiting? I have not said anything about GTA IV. Whilst I enjoy IV's story line, I do not believe it is worthy to use as an example of sensational story writing. That is why I used Red Dead Redemption and LA Noire as examples.

 

Everyone is well within their rights to enjoy the GTA V's story - but to call it "amazing", "better than most games" and to claim the voice acting is "better than acting from high-budget movies" is just foolish and downright unreasonable - and this is why I responded to this thread.

 

Perhaps no-one had a problem with my post because many users agreed with it. Had you thought about that?

 

I am still unsure of why it was removed. If a silly laughing gif was the issue - I would have removed it upon request in light of attempting to bring a bit of humour into conversation.

 

Cheers!

[S1N0D3UTSCHT3K]

yeah script was pretty great...

 

not a huge fan of the story (best GTA story but that's not saying a lot)

 

but the dialogue and acting is top notch, probably the best in gaming this side if FF XII and The Last of Us

 

 

 

 

 

sooooo good lol

[UshaB]

The voice-acting by the trio was top notch, some of the dialogue lines were executed well, but the script itself was not that good.

[rampage08]

The voice-acting by the trio was top notch, some of the dialogue lines were executed well, but the script itself was not that good.

This. The script imo sometimes went from good, great, fall a little bit then good, then great. Some of the writings are amazing actually, better than the previous ones back to the 3D era (i have to give credit to the casting agents for casting the right actors and the actors for bringing the dialogue to greatness for this) but some other time (especially the multiple endings) is a bit questionable imo.

 

See ? I can be honest and civil, i suggest some of you who posts baits from each fans of the series stop baiting and posting sh*t that could make another thread got locked again.

Edited March 2, 2016 by rampage08

[saintsrow]

 

The voice-acting by the trio was top notch, some of the dialogue lines were executed well, but the script itself was not that good.

This. The script imo sometimes went from good, great, fall a little bit then good, then great. Some of the writings are amazing actually, better than the previous ones back to the 3D era (i have to give credit to the casting agents for casting the right actors and the actors for bringing the dialogue to greatness for this) but some other time (especially the multiple endings) is a bit questionable imo.

 

See ? I can be honest and civil, i suggest some of you who posts baits from each fans of the series stop baiting and posting sh*t that could make another thread got locked again.

 

Once a story starts to take shape and build on itself, there are opportunities for good lines and good scenes. We see this is in GTAV as well as many movies. However, as I have said before, big parts of GTAV / GTA0 cutscene dialog (for both protags and antags) is strained and forced, causing the voice actors to have to add over-the top sneering, snarling intonation to try to make it work. Most of Trevor's dialog is like that.

 

The best writing in GTAV / GTA0 is the pedestrian NPCs on their cell phones.

[Sonny_Black]

Yeah at least when the NPC speak on the phone they don't say that annoying "whatever" or "f*ckoff" every goddamn 20 secondes, they have real conversations.

[ChiroVette]

 

 

The voice-acting by the trio was top notch, some of the dialogue lines were executed well, but the script itself was not that good.

This. The script imo sometimes went from good, great, fall a little bit then good, then great. Some of the writings are amazing actually, better than the previous ones back to the 3D era (i have to give credit to the casting agents for casting the right actors and the actors for bringing the dialogue to greatness for this) but some other time (especially the multiple endings) is a bit questionable imo.

 

See ? I can be honest and civil, i suggest some of you who posts baits from each fans of the series stop baiting and posting sh*t that could make another thread got locked again.

 

Once a story starts to take shape and build on itself, there are opportunities for good lines and good scenes. We see this is in GTAV as well as many movies. However, as I have said before, big parts of GTAV / GTA0 cutscene dialog (for both protags and antags) is strained and forced, causing the voice actors to have to add over-the top sneering, snarling intonation to try to make it work. Most of Trevor's dialog is like that.

 

The best writing in GTAV / GTA0 is the pedestrian NPCs on their cell phones.

 

 

This definitely isn't true. There is nothing strained or stilted about the dialog, nothing forced. This story has top notch writing, excellent timing, sharp dialog, and is one of the best written games in the series.

last third of the script sucked too

 

felt like it got rushed or they tried to wrap up and tie in too many differenet arcs

 

Last third of the script is fantastic. There is an incredible amount of tension, the anticipation of robbing the Federal Reserve the Union Depository, and the finale killing all your enemies is incredibly satisfying.

 

 

 

Everyone is well within their rights to enjoy the GTA V's story - but to call it "amazing", "better than most games" and to claim the voice acting is "better than acting from high-budget movies" is just foolish and downright unreasonable - and this is why I responded to this thread.

 

 

Who said no one had a problem with it? I said I reported it, but since I am not a mod, I have no access to how many others did as well.

 

How about instead of whinging about your rightfully deleted post in this thread, further derailing the thread, you try talking to a moderator about it? lol Just a suggestion.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Official General]

V obviously had a few good moments regarding lines and scripts, but overall I still thought the story was largely boring, uninteresting and the writing real corny and quite poor. The voice acting was good, but then again I'd expect it to be, it's not really the hardest part of creating a script/story, and it's done by professional actors.

 

I just feel that previous GTAs did a much better job. My opinion stays the same.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Official General

[Fuzzknuckles]

The script certainly does a lot to make up for the weakness of the story. While the story does have some really cool sections and takes a few interesting turns, it generally feels written by committee - like there were three very distinct writers who all wanted to do different things. The script, and many of the actor's improvised lines, steer things back towards a bit of solidity and coherence when the story lurches into some of its less believable beats.

 

That's the problem with a game that's made up of homage, pastiche and overused tropes, though, same as any GTA game - while they all shine in places, the stories are ones we've all heard before, or seen before in films and TV and so they need to be pushed to their boundaries to offer something new. While for the most part V succeeds in this, occasionally it falls really, really flat. The script and the performances go a long way to righting this.

[ChiroVette]

The script certainly does a lot to make up for the weakness of the story. While the story does have some really cool sections and takes a few interesting turns, it generally feels written by committee - like there were three very distinct writers who all wanted to do different things. The script, and many of the actor's improvised lines, steer things back towards a bit of solidity and coherence when the story lurches into some of its less believable beats.

 

That's the problem with a game that's made up of homage, pastiche and overused tropes, though, same as any GTA game - while they all shine in places, the stories are ones we've all heard before, or seen before in films and TV and so they need to be pushed to their boundaries to offer something new. While for the most part V succeeds in this, occasionally it falls really, really flat. The script and the performances go a long way to righting this.

 

People sometimes forget that GTA is a game. Yes, V's script, writing, acting, and dialog are in line with the BEST in the series, and in those areas, it is one of the best games in the franchise's history. But all the scripts in these games are, to be quite honest, scripts in videogames.

 

There isn't ONE GTA game, not even San Andreas, that can stand up to even a BAD Hollywood movie. Further, if there was not such phenomenal gameplay in event the BEST GTA games (III, VC, SA, V, VCS, and LCS) the series would still be small time and would have never gotten off the ground. Yes, Rockstar now has the money to hire great writers and actors, and that adds to quality. Guys like Burt Reynolds, Samuel L Jackson, Ray Liotta, etc., add a lot of flavor.

 

But when referencing GTA V as a GREAT STORY with all accompanying attributes, that is ONLY in comparison to other GTA games. Certainly not to a Spielberg and Coppola movie, or hell, even an Indie. This is videogame, first and foremost.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Fuzzknuckles]

I dunno man, I've seen some pretty terrible films that many, many games have been better than, speaking purely from a cinematic point of view. There's some pretty awful sh*t out there in movie land and that's one of the reasons why I play games more than I watch movies. Particularly games like GTA where you're able to experience the world according to your own narrative, if you choose to.

 

Movies have become little more than video games in a lot of cases - I've seen a few recently (John Wick, in particular) that I think would have made great games, but only make OK movies.

[Son of Zeus]

V obviously had a few good moments regarding lines and scripts, but overall I still thought the story was largely boring, uninteresting and the writing real corny and quite poor. The voice acting was good, but then again I'd expect it to be, it's not really the hardest part of creating a script/story, and it's done by professional actors.

 

I just feel that previous GTAs did a much better job. My opinion stays the same.

Agreed. I think the script took a massive blow when Trevor came to LS, a blow from which it never really recovered. The constant bitching between M and T, the overblown, in-your-face satire/parody, the corny hollywood drama....poor indeed. Of course not the entire thing is trash, there are good moments, but it fails to impress overall. For me it was quite a disappointment, coming from RDR. They write a gem like RDR, then they write V. Sad. Edited March 2, 2016 by Son of Zeus

[UshaB]

Movies have become little more than video games in a lot of cases - I've seen a few recently (John Wick, in particular) that I think would have made great games, but only make OK movies.

 

I hope that does not turn into a game. It would be very hard to do. The movie itself was a very action-thrilled movie with great camera shots and choreography. It's a must watch.

 

OT: What I said before.

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

Movies have become little more than video games in a lot of cases - I've seen a few recently (John Wick, in particular) that I think would have made great games, but only make OK movies.

 

I hope that does not turn into a game. It would be very hard to do. The movie itself was a very action-thrilled movie with great camera shots and choreography. It's a must watch.

 

OT: What I said before.

 

I wasn't really suggesting it should be, we already have Max Payne.

[UshaB]

I knew what you meant. Just as a fan of the movie, I really do hope they won't turn it into a game.

[rampage08]

 

 

Movies have become little more than video games in a lot of cases - I've seen a few recently (John Wick, in particular) that I think would have made great games, but only make OK movies.

I hope that does not turn into a game. It would be very hard to do. The movie itself was a very action-thrilled movie with great camera shots and choreography. It's a must watch.

 

OT: What I said before.

 

I wasn't really suggesting it should be, we already have Max Payne.

I still can't figure it out why that "Max Payne" movie got made or why is it even called Max Payne.

[ChiroVette]

 

 

 

Movies have become little more than video games in a lot of cases - I've seen a few recently (John Wick, in particular) that I think would have made great games, but only make OK movies.

I hope that does not turn into a game. It would be very hard to do. The movie itself was a very action-thrilled movie with great camera shots and choreography. It's a must watch.

 

OT: What I said before.

 

I wasn't really suggesting it should be, we already have Max Payne.

I still can't figure it out why that "Max Payne" movie got made or why is it even called Max Payne.

 

 

I am trying to remember ONE videogame movie that I ever actually enjoyed in the history of people getting the bright idea into their head that trying to turn a game into a movie "is a good idea."

 

The reverse seems to work better, because you can always take a good movie story and dumb it down for a game, where it is all, or at least first and foremost, about the gameplay.

 

All the GTA fans clamoring for a GTA movie should be careful what you wish for. Because I guarantee it will be a dismal failure, even if they base it off the BEST storylines in the game, in other words, VC, SA, or V.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Algonquin Assassin]

This is just a reminder to everyone that this is an appreciation thread. If you want to critique the story/script please use a more appropriate thread.

[UshaB]

Because I guarantee it will be a dismal failure, even if they base it off the BEST storylines in the game, in other words, VC, SA, V and IV.

 

Forgot to add IV. Sorry I just noticed you missed out on putting that one in your post so I added it in for you

 

OT: Top notch voice-acting by the trio. R* seems to choose their actors pretty well.

 

[Fuzzknuckles]

It'd be really interesting to see the script without all of the improvisations. I think all we really have is transcripts of the game dialogue, which obviously includes all of the improv'd lines. It'd be good to know what, and how much, exactly, was improvised by the actors, so we can see if their contributions really did improve the script, or whether the lines people think are improvised were actually pre-written.

[ChiroVette]

 

Because I guarantee it will be a dismal failure, even if they base it off the BEST storylines in the game, in other words, VC, SA, V with obvious the exception of Snore, which is total garbage and sucks balls with a forgettable cast of mundane characters and a boring, lackluster story.

 

Forgot to add IV. Sorry I just noticed you missed out on putting that one in your post so I added it in for you

 

OT: Top notch voice-acting by the trio. R* seems to choose their actors pretty well.

 

 

 

I didn't forget. In fact, I intentionally left it out so as NOT to start the argument you just did there, Slick.

 

I would have been happy just to leave IV completely and totally out of my post, but since you had to go and start this up again, I re-edited the quote you edited to reflect my real meaning.

 

Out of respect for the mods, however, I DID NOT edit the actual post above, just your edit.

 

On Topic, I do agree with your comment about the voice acting.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Fuzzknuckles]

Can you two stop chasing each other's tales for few minutes?

 

CLEAN UP ON AISLE 844775.

 

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All this talk about the strength of V's script is making me want to play it again.

[ChiroVette]

Can you two stop chasing each other's tales for few minutes?

 

CLEAN UP ON AISLE 844775.

 

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All this talk about the strength of V's script is making me want to play it again.

 

You should. It is truly an inspired script!

 

 

Edit: By the way, I didn't start the "IV" discussion, and even was tactful enough to leave it out of my actual post, for Christsakes.

 

But......

 

 

[Video]

Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette

[rampage08]

Meh, i think VC, IV and V all could make great stories to turn into TV series rather than movie imo.

 

And the only thing i can see nailed videogame movies are Mortal Kombat and Need For Speed (bad story, good car action just like the game LOL).

[walkingsickness]

I'll say it once, just as I have in almost every thread I see where people can't discuss V and IV comparatively without descending into memes and antagonism - stop being dicks. I don't care if you like V better or if you like IV better, just respect each other's opinion. Disagree with someone? Either debate like adults or walk away.

 

There are still adults on here???

[Maibatsu545]

It....certainly was a script. It had a beginning, a middle, and an end. I'm sure it was easy to read for the actors, and neatly organized , following the proper structure for script format. It definitely was a script. That's about the best I can do without being negative, but for the sake of getting along I did try to say something nice about it.

[The Dedito Gae]

At least they tried different stuff throught the story and the 3 protagonists were very different from each other.

 

That's as kind as i can be.

[ChiroVette]

Yeah, the three dramatically different personalities of the protagonists absolutely adds another layer of awesome to the incredible script. I love how the story unfolds and you see the way each one of them has their own unique methods of conflict resolution.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette