Misunderstood Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Whoa, what's going on with this VCS hate. People trying to make me a serial killer or something? UshaB, gtafaninwest, PhillBellic and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBicycle Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The other day I was replaying Watch_Dogs, and one scene in it struck me as something that could've made Haines more threatening. Spoilers for WD, obviously. Basically, the bad guy, Damien, kidnapped your sister and is forcing you to get him some files, but you miss a deadline and, as punishment, he releases footage that nails you as the Vigilante. So, my idea was, have Haines release information about Michael's past. Maybe even have him be the reason behind Bury the Hatchet. This in turn could force Michael into doing the FIB raid. SaucyPow3r, PhillBellic and Niobium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I have to reiterate my utter astonishment for the objection to the government intrigue parts of the game on the grounds that it basically adds too much variety to the game, which comes on the heels of so many V-critics here complaining about the...um...lack of variety in V. I won't go as far as to call anyone a hypocrite, but there is a little cognitive dissonance here. The Government Intrigue parts of the game are an excellent diversion from the pursuit of financial gain at times, and at other times, they are a means to that very end. For me I wouldn't have minded this if it didn't take up the bulk of the second half of the story. Whilst I don't think R* should recycle plot elements over and over I'm with OG on this that I just don't find this government stuff very appealling. Pink Pineapple, TheOneLibertonian and Official General 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerZ0neX Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Whoa, what's going on with this VCS hate. People trying to make me a serial killer or something? I loved Vice City Stories until I reached the robot mission, I tried passing that mission so many times and tried many walkthroughs for it but the PSP version I bought had a permanent glitch that made the safe not function as what it is intended, thus not opening at all. I don't want to spoil myself on what happens next, I invested a lot through the properties and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULPaperContact Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 They were all pretty bad because there was no reason to hate them. combustion, UltraGizmo64, Niobium and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Whoa, what's going on with this VCS hate. People trying to make me a serial killer or something? Sorry to go off-topic. Honestly, everything is right with VCS except for the storyline. The gameplay is super improved, lotsa feautures and the best cars. But the story... Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKUS. Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) It's just an annoying dick (imagine Niko saying that) I mean, Vlad from GTA IV was far better antagonist than Steve, and he was just in a 10% of the story What happened to those antagonist with personality like... Tempenny, Dimitri, Catalina, Sonny, or even Lance? Edited March 1, 2016 by Markhosdangerous Journey_95, Sonny_Black, Maibatsu545 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Whoa, what's going on with this VCS hate. People trying to make me a serial killer or something? I don't get it either. I was actually a little blown away the first times I played both VCS and LCS. I had no idea, way back then, that Rockstar could make such incredible games on the PSP of all things! I also love the story of Vic Vance. The only thing that bothers me, and this isn't a flaw, just something that kind of eats at me a little whenever I play that game, is that you know Vic dies in the first mission in Vice City three years later. So while this is fine, and I love the game and story, it is a little sad playing with and investing yourself into building an empire for a character you know is doomed from the get go. PhillBellic, Misunderstood and UltraGizmo64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELOSOJER Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's just an annoying dick (imagine Niko saying that) I mean, Vlad from GTA IV was far better antagonist than Steve, and he was just in a 10% of the story What happened to those antagonist with personality like... Tempenny, Dimitri, Catalina, Sonny, or even Lance? Tenpenny was as good at it gets; voice acting, character.. everything. I think he should always be the standard for evil when Rockstar goes to the drawing board to create an antagonist. Journey_95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Seems like you guys just prefer antagonists that are charming, and have traits that someone with an outside POV (the audience) admires and finds likable. Al3x_XXI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Whoa, what's going on with this VCS hate. People trying to make me a serial killer or something? I know right. f*ck everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Seems like you guys just prefer antagonists that are charming, and have traits that someone with an outside POV (the audience) admires and finds likable.Huh ? I dont quite understand what you're getting at. Are you not reading stuff properly ? The whole point of of my side of the argument here is that we didn't dislike the antagonists enough, because there was not much reason to - due to the poor writing and script of their characters. There was hardly anything to really dislike about any of them, they didn't really project the image of fearsome, vicious, nasty people that we would come to really hate. The lack of this is our main problem with the antagonists. . You're not making sense here. Edited March 2, 2016 by Official General Maibatsu545 and Sonny_Black 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 lol no I hate Steve. I liked Devin better, hell they should have wrote off Steve and make Cheng and Stretch get bigger roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 lol no I hate Steve. I liked Devin better, hell they should have wrote off Steve and make Cheng and Stretch get bigger roles. I definitely like Devin a little better myself, but Haines is a lot of fun. I love the fake patriotism and pretense at heroics when he shoots himself in the leg to pass off as a double agent. Classic stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULPaperContact Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Doesn't make him a good antagonist. That makes him a memorable character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Doesn't make him a good antagonist. That makes him a memorable character. I didn't say just that makes him a good antagonist. I was simply calling attention to that detail in smiling remembrance. Just because I mention one detail, like how much I love Mount Chilliad, for instance, does not mean that it is the only thing I love about the map of the game. Edited March 2, 2016 by ChiroVette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey_95 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) It's just an annoying dick (imagine Niko saying that) I mean, Vlad from GTA IV was far better antagonist than Steve, and he was just in a 10% of the story What happened to those antagonist with personality like... Tempenny, Dimitri, Catalina, Sonny, or even Lance? Tenpenny was as good at it gets; voice acting, character.. everything. I think he should always be the standard for evil when Rockstar goes to the drawing board to create an antagonist. Although his end was a bit lame I agree. Overall a great antagonist, probably the best in the series. Haines (and Weston too) looks like a really bad joke compared to that badass and evil motherf*cker Edited March 2, 2016 by Journey_95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBicycle Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The problem with Haines and Weston is that they were too similar (just replace 'amigo' with 'slick'), and both screw the characters over by making them work for no pay, then both try to kill Michael. Seriously, they're basically the same person. Journey_95, Dr. Robotnik, Official General and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey_95 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 The problem with Haines and Weston is that they were too similar (just replace 'amigo' with 'slick'), and both screw the characters over by making them work for no pay, then both try to kill Michael. Seriously, they're basically the same person. Yep, its like Rockstar didn't even care and just made the two main villians exact copies of each other. Really lazy (especially considering previous villians, Big Smoke and Tenpenny were completely different for an example etc.), they both suck. Algonquin Assassin, Sonny_Black and UltraGizmo64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) The problem with Haines and Weston is that they were too similar (just replace 'amigo' with 'slick'), and both screw the characters over by making them work for no pay, then both try to kill Michael. Seriously, they're basically the same person.I totally agree with this. They even sound very similar when talking too. No lie, sometimes I even get the two mixed up when talking about them. Edited March 3, 2016 by Official General Maibatsu545, Niobium and Dr. Robotnik 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maibatsu545 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 The problem with Haines and Weston is that they were too similar (just replace 'amigo' with 'slick'), and both screw the characters over by making them work for no pay, then both try to kill Michael. Seriously, they're basically the same person. I totally agree with this. They even sound very similar talking to. No lie, sometimes I even get the two mixed up when talking about them.It's not just you guys, they're totally interchangeable as characters. "Douchey preppy white guy" pretty much defines both of them. Niobium and Official General 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's not just you guys, they're totally interchangeable as characters. "Douchey preppy white guy" pretty much defines both of them. Or the citizens of LS for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyName'sJeff Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Steve was portrayed as an antagonist very good. The minute the character got introduced to us, I immediately hated him and only good written bad guys make me feel like that. The surprising thing was he wasn't even the main bad guy in the story. The torture scene made me hate him even more. ChiroVette and Al3x_XXI 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Steve was portrayed as an antagonist very good. The minute the character got introduced to us, I immediately hated him and only good written bad guys make me feel like that. The surprising thing was he wasn't even the main bad guy in the story. The torture scene made me hate him even more. Totally agree! Excellent protagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULPaperContact Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 *antagonist Not really. He's just a government agent who went corrupt. He didn't do anything to your family, or someone you love, which seems to be a major part in an antagonist. Here, for example, Tenpenny. You may say "I didn't like Sweet". But a cob trash-talks you, takes everything you have (at the beginning) and then takes your brother, you want to sh*t on him from such a height he will think god himself has sh*t on him. theGTAking101, UltraGizmo64 and Niobium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkjellman Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I am not entirely sure if he is. In my opinion, VC (Sonny), SA (Tampiny), and VCS (Martinez and Mendez) probably had the best Antagonists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 *antagonist Not really. He's just a government agent who went corrupt. He didn't do anything to your family, or someone you love, which seems to be a major part in an antagonist. Here, for example, Tenpenny. You may say "I didn't like Sweet". But a cob trash-talks you, takes everything you have (at the beginning) and then takes your brother, you want to sh*t on him from such a height he will think god himself has sh*t on him. That is NOT the definition of an antagonist, though. Admittedly it is the more extreme definition, even I would say the more classic-GTA definition. In literary terms, however, the antagonist simply opposes the protagonist. You are mistakenly assuming that in order to be an antagonist, Haines has to attack the trio in a markedly Biblical way, raining down Hell's own fury, and that simply isn't the case. Haines is an antagonist by virtue of the simple fact that he is in the way of the goals of the trio, not to mention he does go against them. Misunderstood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULPaperContact Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just because he is classified as AN antagonist does not mean he is a GOOD antagonist. And when did I ever say it was 'the definition of an Antagonist'? I simply said that seems to be a major part in a good protagonist. It gives you a deeper level of hatred toward the antagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just because he is classified as AN antagonist does not mean he is a GOOD antagonist. And when did I ever say it was 'the definition of an Antagonist'? I simply said that seems to be a major part in a good protagonist. It gives you a deeper level of hatred toward the antagonist. You did say this: *antagonist Not really. He's just a government agent who went corrupt. He didn't do anything to your family, or someone you love, which seems to be a major part in an antagonist. This reads like you are trying to say he is not an antagonist at all. If you didn't mean that, then fine. But I have excellent reading comprehension, and I can tell you that a plain text reading of that sentence yields that meaning. Oh, and you are right that just because an antagonist is technically an antagonist doesn't make him a good one. Luckily that problem doesn't exist with Haines, since he is both an antagonist, and a very good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampage08 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) I rewatched By the Book yesterday and man... Steve Haines should have been like in that mission for the rest of the game. Really sinister but with an annoying dickhead personality. Edited March 3, 2016 by rampage08 The Dedito Gae, CaptainBicycle, theGTAking101 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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