Anyone else disappointed how they handled the GTA IV characters?

[TheOneLibertonian]

BEST. SCENE. EVER!!!

 

 

 

You always liked Gasoline, Trevor!

 

Nothing is better than hearing Trevor scream while burning to death.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Diamond Dogs

[rampage08]

i don't like Trevor that much but i admit... killing a protagonist felt really wrong lol

[DaWiesel]

BEST. SCENE. EVER!!!

Nah, this is the best scene ever:

 

And this isn't optional, so instant win!

 

But really, I must say I can understand some of the TLaD fans, just looking at it again, it was a very dishonorable death. But it worked obviously, since the intention was to make Trevor an unlikeable ass hole.

[josephene123]

I didn't play TLaD much, so when Trevor killed him I didn't actually realise who it was - and I STILL felt hateful towards Trevor. Now that I know who he was, I do understand the annoyance that a lot of fans would feel.

 

For me though, I really didn't care all that much for how they handled the characters. It would have been different if it was Niko, obviously. As for how the other IV characters were treated, I didn't think much of it. Yeah, overall it didn't bother me

[Osho]

The way R* handled Trevor in ending felt even worse and totally wrong to me than what Trevor did to Johnny. I dislike such scripted, cinematic execution(s) that robs you, as a player, who was invested into the story throughout, gets no option to change the forced ending and deal with Trevor in a different way.

On the other hand, Johnny's death didn't make me feel that bad as he invited his own death even after all the warnings. I didn't find any thing shocking about how Trevor reacted, though he did try to ignore him before getting easily angered and become aggressive towards him.

[josephene123]

The way R* handled Trevor in ending felt even worse and totally wrong to me than what Trevor did to Johnny. I dislike such scripted, cinematic execution(s) that robs you, as a player, who was invested into the story throughout, gets no option to change the forced ending and deal with Trevor in a different way.

On the other hand, Johnny's death didn't make me feel that bad as he invited his own death even after all the warnings. I didn't find any thing shocking about how Trevor reacted, though he did try to ignore him before getting easily angered and become aggressive towards him.

I would have thought that Trevor was a Marmite character for most players, so if they disliked him enough to actually pick that ending, then they would probably hate him enough to kill him in a very brutal way.

 

I guess not?

Edited February 28, 2016 by josephene123

[Official General]

In a way yes I was disappointed.

 

Personally I'd rather no one from IV be in V at all, as they would have no strategic reason to be in LS, except to vacation every now and then. I would have just preferred everything was new. They only put Packie in V because he was very popular with GTA fans, while I did like him and the McCrearys, I don't see what so overwhelmingly great about them to bring Packie back. However the return if Rocco Pelosi was handled terribly. Rocco's presence in V via the movie studio stuff was so mediocre and brief that it almost served no purpose other than being there for filler missions. I'm not bothered that Johnny K died, but I felt it was totally pointless, it didn't do anything to enhance the quality of the story, it felt to me it was casually thrown in without any real imaginative thought, just there simply to create some kind of cheap shock factor.

[jatiger13]

I have a great idea of how I would like to see Niko meet his end,

Bowling accident?

 

Speaking of the UL Paper contact am I the only who feels he looks younger than his appearance in GTA IV?

Dat facelift yo. LS got some good plastic surgeons Edited February 28, 2016 by jatiger13

[combustion]

R* wanted to make the returning IV characters as boring as the V characters, and they have done a good job indeed.

[shadowoperative]

 

BEST. SCENE. EVER!!!

Nah, this is the best scene ever:

 

And this isn't optional, so instant win!

 

But really, I must say I can understand some of the TLaD fans, just looking at it again, it was a very dishonorable death. But it worked obviously, since the intention was to make Trevor an unlikeable ass hole.

It made me like him even more for killing that boring methhead.

[combustion]

BEST. SCENE. EVER!!!

 

 

You always liked Gasoline, Trevor!

 

Nothing is better than hearing Trevor scream while burning to death.

 

I agree.

 

Trevor's death was the only interesting part of the story.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Leo2301

[Journey_95]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, just take a look at IV section sometime, things there are incredibly peaceful comparing to here.

 

That's because nobody here who enjoys V cares enough to bother going into a forum for a game we have little use for. I have better things to do with my time than go into the forum for some garbage excuse for a GTA game and argue against it. What could we possibly gain in there?

Things here could be peaceful if you and some other could actually stop bashing IV on every single thread you go.

 

 

I only bash Snore when you guys bring it up and hold it out as the absurd gold standard, when V is ten times the game. If you guys would stop that, we would gladly never talk about Snore again.

 

This is an answer to Journey_95 as well.

 

On Topic: I think that Rockstar showed the cameo Snore characters more than enough respect in this game. Especially Johnny. Actually, the only way they could have improved their handling of Johnny would have been instead of Johnny's execution being a non-interactive cut-scene, they could have added a button-mashing sequence where the player got to make Trevor kick in his face over and over again. Kind of like the Yoga sequences or other quick time event, where you would keep hitting X or A to kick his face in repeatedly while you rotated, say the left analog stick around its axis to spin Trevor's body around to make some of those kicks roundhouse.

 

That would have been a more fun way of dispatching the washed up meth head after bending his girl over the trailer sink.

 

So basically you are just butthurt that so many people here like GTA IV here more than V? lol.

 

And you didn't need to give another answer to the topic, you already did that but again you like to troll and bait (in detail too). Nothing new here. Its pretty sad at this point, you are trying way too hard.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Journey_95

[Journey_95]

That doesn't make ULPC better in my view. Steve Haines, an FIB agent, for the first time in the series, became a central focus in the narrative as one of the two antagonist in the game. He is more fleshed out as a character than ULPC, which makes Haines, quite obviously, a better character in my view, for FIB agent, as subjective as that may be.

How is he fleshed out? he is just an annoying douche thats about it.

As generic as it gets.

 

And I liked that they didn't flesh out ULP, he was supposed to be mysterious. How were Haines missions better? Getting nerve toxins and getting into some silly conflict with the IAA and Merryweather, thats not GTA at all.

 

The FIB part in V was just a bad excuse to get over the top missions into the game

Edited February 28, 2016 by Journey_95

[ChiroVette]

 

BEST. SCENE. EVER!!!

Nah, this is the best scene ever:

 

And this isn't optional, so instant win!

 

But really, I must say I can understand some of the TLaD fans, just looking at it again, it was a very dishonorable death. But it worked obviously, since the intention was to make Trevor an unlikeable ass hole.

 

 

I was going to post the same thing. Killing Trevor wasn't well thought out or well implemented enough to be offensive. It is, in all honestly, so badly programmed that there is no doubt in my mind Rockstar did this as an afterthought, a kind of practical joke. Think about it. Both A and B endings are exactly the same format except the final kill scene. There is no real emotion behind it other than Houser being tongue-in-cheek and whimsical. Plus, Rockstar already said that the C ending is canon. Though I admit I cannot remember when. Either way, the A and B endings are good only for a few lulz, nothing more.

 

Clearly the BETTER scene is the awesomeness you posted. Because if there is some future DLC, Trevor can come back. But Johnny remains right where he belongs to this very day, on the bottom of the best GTA protagonist's shoe. There is no coming back for that meth-addled skell. He is gone forever from the GTA universe. Yet on all my 100% saves, Trevor is alive and well, and still psychotically murdering people in women's clothing and sleeping in dumpsters and strip clubs.

[Journey_95]

 

 

BEST. SCENE. EVER!!!

Nah, this is the best scene ever:

 

And this isn't optional, so instant win!

 

But really, I must say I can understand some of the TLaD fans, just looking at it again, it was a very dishonorable death. But it worked obviously, since the intention was to make Trevor an unlikeable ass hole.

 

 

I was going to post the same thing. Killing Trevor wasn't well thought out or well implemented enough to be offensive. It is, in all honestly, so badly programmed that there is no doubt in my mind Rockstar did this as an afterthought, a kind of practical joke. Think about it. Both A and B endings are exactly the same format except the final kill scene. There is no real emotion behind it other than Houser being tongue-in-cheek and whimsical. Plus, Rockstar already said that the C ending is canon. Though I admit I cannot remember when. Either way, the A and B endings are good only for a few lulz, nothing more.

 

Clearly the BETTER scene is the awesomeness you posted. Because if there is some future DLC, Trevor can come back. But Johnny remains right where he belongs to this very day, on the bottom of the best GTA protagonist's shoe. There is no coming back for that meth-addled skell. He is gone forever from the GTA universe. Yet on all my 100% saves, Trevor is alive and well, and still psychotically murdering people in women's clothing and sleeping in dumpsters and strip clubs.

 

When did they say that? No ending is canon but obviously Ending C is the most fleshed out. Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?

 

Trevor seems to be pretty dead in most of my playthroughs. I don't think he will come back. He was burned alive.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Journey_95

[ChiroVette]

 

 

 

Nah, this is the best scene ever:

 

When did they say that? No ending is canon but obviously Ending C is the most fleshed out. Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?

 

Trevor seems to be pretty dead in most of my playthroughs. I don't think he will come back. He was burned alive.

 

 

You know it isn't even possible to quote this image too much!

 

Even you realize it unconsciously, which is why you kept it in your quote. I just want to reiterate my tribute to Johnny K, since this is a thread about how AWESOME the Snore characters were handled in V. Yet another of the MANY reasons why V is the superior game.

 

I have to find a way to squeeze this poem onto a banner so that I can make it a permanent part of my signature!

 

 

Poor ol' dead man, Johnny K,

Should have never gotten in Trevor's way;

He bent his bitch over the trailer sink,

This should have made poor Johnny think;

But no, despite Snore's butthurt fans,

Who protest Johnny's fate, as bland;

What's a Snore-lover now to do,

With their precious hero on Trevor's shoe?

For mighty Trevor with a murderous grace,

Stomped and stomped on Johnny's face;

This should prove once and for all,

That V is Rockstar's mighty call;

Not snore, though its fans still squirm and whine,

Now that V is the game enshrined,

In the hearts and minds, most fans that last,

Except for those stuck in the past.

Its truly grand that Johnny's gone;

the best part of him, Trevor's foot he's on.

Hopefully Niko will be next,

To meet his fate when Trevor's vexed;

I predict it won't be long,

Till Niko, too, is dead and gone!

[The Dedito Gae]

..Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?...

Those endings are a f*cking joke.

Both M and T are out of character in there, Michael makes a backstabbing turd of himself in both endings and Trevor's ending hardly leaves Michael and Franklin in a good place.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Midnight Hitman

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

Nah definitely burning Trevor alive and watching him roll across the ground as he screams in agony before taking his last breath and his miserable existence leaving the earth for good. My only criticism here is I wish it lasted longer so I could savour the moment.

 

Good riddance to trash.

Wow you sound like a psychopath yourself haha.Haha. Yeah I realised my post was a bit over the top, but still being given the opportunity to kill him felt like karma biting him on the ass.

 

It felt awesome.

[Journey_95]

 

..Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?...

Those endings are a f*cking joke.

Both M and T are out of character in there, Michael makes a backstabbing turd of himself in both endings and Trevor's ending hardly leaves Michael and Franklin in a good place.

 

Yes they are terrible but still why even put them in the game if they aren't canon?

 

I think Franklin is the one who is most out of character there, suddenly turning on Michael and Trevor like that without any real reason

 

And Michael backstabbing again seems to be in character imho, dude was always like that.

 

He always talked with Dave about dealing with Trevor somehow during the story.

 

Ending C is pretty silly too, suddenly they are BFF's again just because they killed everyone who opposed them? Sounds lame, their issues were never really resolved

Edited February 28, 2016 by Journey_95

[Osho]

How is he fleshed out?

What do you mean how is he fleshed out?

He's an important role to play in the story, and indeed, fleshed out more than ULPC, the game offers more understanding about Steve's background and his involvement with the trio in the narrative through the scripted missions, and events in cutscenes, simple as that.

Both characters play their roles differently as a government agent, one being a secret, while the other being corrupt.

And I liked that they didn't flesh out ULP, he was supposed to be mysterious.

ULPC was just a copy pasted version of Mike Toreno in HD. I'd take the latter over ULPC any day. There's nothing interesting about ULPC, that makes him better than Steve, either.

In fact, The Contact is similar to Mike Toreno, as they are both connected with the Government, and both make the protagonist work for them ( Carl Johnson, in Toreno's case). At the end of the storyline, as a repayment for his cooperation, they award the protagonist with what they wanted ( Sweet's release from prison in SA and the kidnapping of Darko Brevicin GTA IV).

02

The FIB part in V was just a bad excuse to get over the top missions into the game

You seem to have missed to read a part of my post, "as subjective as that may be"

He's definitely better to me than ULPC.

[jatiger13]

When did they say that? No ending is canon but obviously Ending C is the most fleshed out. Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?

Well, ending C is canon.

Rockstar put in a Newswire post something about continuing Michael's, Franklin's and Trevor's story. It was a while back, about a story dlc.

 

 

Edit: "we have big plans for substantial additions in 2014 continuing Michael, Franklin and Trevor's action, mayhem and unexpected adventures in Southern San Andreas."

Edited February 28, 2016 by jatiger13

[Journey_95]

 

When did they say that? No ending is canon but obviously Ending C is the most fleshed out. Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?

Well, ending C is canon.

Rockstar put in a Newswire post something about continuing Michael's, Franklin's and Trevor's story. It was a while back, about a story dlc.

 

Yeah we will see when it happens. Its been more than two years since they said that.

[Journey_95]

 

How is he fleshed out?

What do you mean how is he fleshed out?

He's an important role to play in the story, and indeed, fleshed out more than ULPC, the game offers more understanding about Steve's background and his involvement with the trio in the narrative through the scripted missions, and events in cutscenes, simple as that.

Both characters play their roles differently as a government agent, one being a secret, while the other being corrupt.

And I liked that they didn't flesh out ULP, he was supposed to be mysterious.

ULPC was just a copy pasted version of Mike Toreno in HD. I'd take the latter over ULPC any day. There's nothing interesting about ULPC, that makes him better than Steve, either.

In fact, The Contact is similar to Mike Toreno, as they are both connected with the Government, and both make the protagonist work for them ( Carl Johnson, in Toreno's case). At the end of the storyline, as a repayment for his cooperation, they award the protagonist with what they wanted ( Sweet's release from prison in SA and the kidnapping of Darko Brevicin GTA IV).

02

The FIB part in V was just a bad excuse to get over the top missions into the game

You seem to have missed to read a part of my post, "as subjective as that may be"

He's definitely better to me than ULPC.

 

They fulfill a similiar role but thats about it.

Thats like saying Tenpenny and Steve Haines are the same just because they both force the protags to work for them and make them their bitch for a time.

 

ULP Paper described the FIB very accurately in IV as it turns out so yeah he is better than Haines who was just an annoying douche. I would take a calm and mysterious guy over a blabbering idiot who behaves like a highschool bully any day.

 

Thats just me though.

[Sonnу]

Plus, Rockstar already said that the C ending is canon. Though I admit I cannot remember when.

 

Probably at about the same time this wallpaper was made

 

[Pedinhuh]

 

Plus, Rockstar already said that the C ending is canon. Though I admit I cannot remember when.

Probably at about the same time this wallpaper was made

 

They never said that.

And artworks from the series are nothing but that, artworks.

(you people from this forums should have known that by now)

 

Until a DLC or another game gets released giving us proper closure for the character's fate, whatever ending you've choosen is the cannon ending.

[combustion]

 

Plus, Rockstar already said that the C ending is canon. Though I admit I cannot remember when.

 

That's because Rockstar never said that.

[IceDree]

Johnny's death didn't really bother me, at least he got some screen time & spoke a few lines ... Unlike Vector, Lance Vance's brother. Remember him?

 

As for Clay & Terry running away, Meth is helluva drug.

And to be fair, it sounds like the Lost's MO, run & get some back up... Both Jim Fitzgerald & Jason Michaels ran away when Niko came after them in IV.

 

Rocco? I really hated that prick & he deserved to die.

 

The United Liberty Paper Contact potential death kinda annoyed me, but I managed to let him survive when i finished the story again on Xbox one.

 

I kinda had respect for the guy (him & Phil Bell), he was a man of his word after all, brought Drako to Niko as promised & cleared his record. Plus, I liked the "Као и у старој домовини" line.

 

 

Packie is an idiot & i disliked him in V as much as I did in IV...

How could a "Professional" Bank robber who managed to escape with a #250k go back to robbing pharmacies with other idiots who can't even secure a getaway ride.

 

He Is lucky I loved Three Leaf Clover... Otherwise, i would've beat the crap out of him.

 

The ones i really wanted to kill were Mori (Brucie's brother) & Louis' friend... The Arms Dealer.

[ChiroVette]

They did say it, Leo2301, as jatiger pointed out.

 

 

 

When did they say that? No ending is canon but obviously Ending C is the most fleshed out. Ending A and B aren't jokes at all, why even put them in the game then?

Well, ending C is canon.
Rockstar put in a Newswire post something about continuing Michael's, Franklin's and Trevor's story. It was a while back, about a story dlc.

 

Yeah we will see when it happens. Its been more than two years since they said that.

 

 

Regardless of whether or not Rockstar makes good on the DLC, that isn't jatiger's point. The salient detail is that Rockstar, by promising more DLC with the three protagonists was making it very clear that C was canon.

 

Hey, you know what else is canon?

 

 

 

Not to keep kicking a dead Johnny - and kicking and kicking and kicking and kicking and kicking and kicking...................

 

Man, this awesome .gif just NEVER gets old!

Edited February 28, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Alvarez]

 

 

 

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

They were held at gunpoint by Ron and Wade.

 

Ron and Wade? Lmfao. I doubt they ever fired a gun, plus Ron was scared sh*tless and suggested to Trevor to bring Chef with him instead. Not to mention when Trevor came to Terry & Clay, they were surrounded by Lost dudes with AKs.

Terry and Clay in TLAD, didn't take no sh*t from nobody. They were always there whenever Johnny needed them.

 

Their death was more bullsh*t than Johnny's.

 

Thank you, your avatar has reminded me that Brütal Legend is available on PC.

[Maibatsu545]

Yeah part of why the writing in V is utter dogsh*t is what they did to the characters

 

The writers of GTA have turned into hacks which is kind of sad.

 

 

They wasted all the emotional capital built up with the characters in IV with cheap cameos and stupid jokes. Then again that pretty much sums up the story and dialogue in V, a stupid joke.