Anyone else disappointed how they handled the GTA IV characters?

[Journey_95]

I think during the 3D Era they did a terrific job of connecting the games and doing the returning characters justice. SA especially was very good with this, as it connected to GTA 3 (Catalina, Claude, Salvatore) and VC (Ken Rosenberg, Kent Paul) and all of them got good screentime and were treated well.

 

 

But something went wrong during V and I would rather they didn't bring back any GTA IV characters at all.

 

Obviously Johnny and &Terry and Clay were ruined, everyone knows that but its not just them. They bring back ULP and Karen but completely wasted them even though a big part of the story was about the FIB vs IAA conflict. They get like 2-3 lines and thats it.

 

And Packie was just a walking easter egg with nothing really interesting to say.

 

I just expected more considering how they handled the 3D Era in this regard.

 

Thoughts?

Also please no IV vs V flamewars here, this topic isn't about that at all.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Journey_95

[NikoBellicGTAIV]

@ChiroVette If you dare to mock Johnny's demise once again, I will torture you...

 

...by making you play GTA IV for 24 hours straight.

[The Dedito Gae]

Karen's cameo didn't contradicted her IV personality because she wasn't being her true self with Niko, i never gave a f*ck about the united Liberty contact to be honest, so zero f*cks were given when i found his dead body.

 

 

That said, Packie was poorly handled and was just a easter egg to make IV fans cream themselves on the way to Paleto bank, Johnny and the rest of his crew..... that was just a cheap move to make Trevor a douche without caring about an already stablished character, they gompletly wasted a chance for a great antagonist there.

[Lester-The-Molester]

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

[shadowoperative]

@ChiroVette If you dare to mock Johnny's demise once again, I will torture you...

 

...by making you play GTA IV for 24 hours straight.

Johnny is dead.

[Lemoyne outlaw]

yea i agree they could have given some of these characters more time. i heard in the beta one of the cars you had to steal for devin weston was brucies car. and that sounds fun i know brucie is on the internet and you can by stuff from him in online but i would have loved to see him in person.

[shadowoperative]

I am disappointed how they handled the IV characters. Boring IMO.

 

Your thread title says IV.

[Journey_95]

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

I didn't know they were pussies in Tlad. They just ran away after Trevor told them he killed Johnny instead of killing him right there.

That sounds like bullsh*t to me.

 

And Johnny was completely ruined, not just to some but in general. Even if you dislike him you can't deny the character assassination

Edited February 27, 2016 by Journey_95

[The Dedito Gae]

...in the beta one of the cars you had to steal for devin weston was brucies car. and that sounds fun i know brucie is on the internet and you can by stuff from him in online but i would have loved to see him in person.

Really?

This sounds fun, why they removed it?

Brucie is not exactly the kind of character you can ruin.

[GTA-Biker]

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

 

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

[ChiroVette]

@ChiroVette If you dare to mock Johnny's demise once again, I will torture you...

 

...by making you play GTA IV for 24 hours straight.

 

Nooooooooo!!! Anything but that. Pull my fingernails out one at a time. Waterboard me. Attach jumper cables to my nipples and pump in 10,000 volts. pull my teeth one by one. Knee-cap me. Just don't make me play Snore!!!!!!! lol

 

Okay I am going to really do my best to be non-mocking of GTA IV characters and answer the question:

 

 

But something went wrong during V

 

 

Nothing went wrong (.....biting my tongue....trying not to make a crack about Trevor......Johnny......)

 

The IV characters were handled with all the respect they deserved, maybe more than they warranted. Honestly, I think the entire cast was so forgettable that the cameos are incredibly generous.

 

Wow, I did it! No wisecracks about Johnny and Trevor, just an honestly stated opinion.

Edited February 27, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Lester-The-Molester]

 

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

They were held at gunpoint by Ron and Wade.

[Fuzzknuckles]

I think they handled them pretty well,

 

Johnny was always a sh*tty character, he got what was coming too him. Ashley is a repugnant hag.

 

Packie is a boring, dull character that made me want to slash my wrists. Three out of four playthroughs, I took him to the Altruist camp immediately. Last playthrough he didn't even spawn until after the story, so I was spared having to hear him in heists. When I spared him in the second playthrough I really regretted it - the actor is wooden AF and he is a perfect representative of everything that makes IV so boring and bleak.

 

Karen Shmaren, meh. She might as well have not been there.

 

I'd much rather have seen more of Kent Paul and Rosenburg, simply because they're funny and uplifting to some degree. The returning characters from IV are all just reminders of the things I hated about IV.

[Badman_]

I didn't like the way they turned Johnny into some crazy fool. Unnecessary.

Look at Claude Speed on GTA SA for example. He's the same badass he was on III.

[Fuzzknuckles]

I didn't like the way they turned Johnny into some crazy fool. Unnecessary.

Look at Claude Speed on GTA SA for example. He's the same badass he was on III.

Possibly because Claude was just a stoic, hard-core mute bad-ass. Not a sad, pathetic loser biker with a history of hard drug abuse. There's no reason for Claude to be anything but Claude. Whereas Johnny, really, his downfall could have been called by the middle act of TLAD. There's no way a character like that gets redemption, not redemption that sticks. They always go back to the habit. Like in Sister Act 2.

[Misunderstood]

I don't care that Johnny died. I just hate the way they handled it. Anyone who finished TLAD and listened to the post-story calls knows how Johnny ended. He gave up on Ashley, never cared for drugs and The Lost was disbanded. I don't even mind them starting a new chapter in Los Santos, just everything else pisses me off. Johnny in V was terrible writing by Rockstar.

[B Dawg]

 

 

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

They were held at gunpoint by Ron and Wade.

 

Ron and Wade? Lmfao. I doubt they ever fired a gun, plus Ron was scared sh*tless and suggested to Trevor to bring Chef with him instead. Not to mention when Trevor came to Terry & Clay, they were surrounded by Lost dudes with AKs.

Terry and Clay in TLAD, didn't take no sh*t from nobody. They were always there whenever Johnny needed them.

 

Their death was more bullsh*t than Johnny's.

Edited February 27, 2016 by B Dawg

[Journey_95]

I think they handled them pretty well,

 

Johnny was always a sh*tty character, he got what was coming too him. Ashley is a repugnant hag.

 

Packie is a boring, dull character that made me want to slash my wrists. Three out of four playthroughs, I took him to the Altruist camp immediately. Last playthrough he didn't even spawn until after the story, so I was spared having to hear him in heists. When I spared him in the second playthrough I really regretted it - the actor is wooden AF and he is a perfect representative of everything that makes IV so boring and bleak.

 

Karen Shmaren, meh. She might as well have not been there.

 

I'd much rather have seen more of Kent Paul and Rosenburg, simply because they're funny and uplifting to some degree. The returning characters from IV are all just reminders of the things I hated about IV.

lol of course you wouldn't mind that they were handled sh*tty then. You clearly dislike them and thats fine.

 

But try to look at it objectively? I think especially what they pulled with Johnny was just bad writing, whether you liked him or not.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Journey_95

[ChiroVette]

 

I think they handled them pretty well,

 

lol of course you wouldn't mind that they were handled sh*tty then. You clearly dislike them and thats fine.

 

 

You are misrepresenting his position. He said they handled them pretty well, not that they were handled sh*tty. To say nothing of the fact that I agree with him. The IV characters were handled very well, and in fact, I think V was very generous to them, all things considered.

 

Dude, you created the thread. You asked the question. He answered it. What more do you want, his firstborn male child?

[chilleverest]

I always hated Johnny in TLAD after knowing his relationship with Ashley. It just didnt correlate to his association with a badass biker gang. Not once, not twice, knowing who knows how many times he got cheated by a whore who he always put on pedestal and gave his soul to. He never moved on, and so he was not a badass to me at all. His cheap death was no shock to me, although V's story wanted me to feel otherwise.

[SmokesWithCigs]

i don't care

Edited February 27, 2016 by SmokesWithCigs

[Journey_95]

 

I didn't like the way they turned Johnny into some crazy fool. Unnecessary.

Look at Claude Speed on GTA SA for example. He's the same badass he was on III.

Possibly because Claude was just a stoic, hard-core mute bad-ass. Not a sad, pathetic loser biker with a history of hard drug abuse. There's no reason for Claude to be anything but Claude. Whereas Johnny, really, his downfall could have been called by the middle act of TLAD. There's no way a character like that gets redemption, not redemption that sticks. They always go back to the habit. Like in Sister Act 2.

Claude wasn't even a character, just a blank slate for the player basically. Hard to compare him to a character who was well developed and had depth.

[GTA-Biker]

 

 

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

They were held at gunpoint by Ron and Wade.

 

 

If they were not afraid of a bunch of armed AOD members,mobsters or a SWAT team guarding a prison where Billy was held,I don't think they would be afraid of two hicks (one of which seems to be retarded).And besides,the bikers were also armed,one of them which jumped into a van was holding an AK during a cutscene.

Edited February 27, 2016 by LeopardGecko

[Lester-The-Molester]

 

 

 

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

They were held at gunpoint by Ron and Wade.

 

If they were not afraid of a bunch of armed AOD members,mobsters or a SWAT team guarding a prison where Billy was held,I don't think they would be afraid of two hicks (one of which seems to be retarded).And besides,the bikers were also armed,one of them which jumped into a van was holding an AK during a cutscene.

Then I don't know, this particular scene just never bothered me to be honest.

[Lester-The-Molester]

 

 

 

Oh my good God above.

There's no denying Johnny was completely different and to some, ruined, but can you people stop saying the same about Terry and Clay. Tell me what exactly is different about them? They're exactly like they were in TLAD.

They're not really the same.In TLAD they were among the most badass members of The Lost MC,they were not afraid of anyone (AOD,the mob,the cops...),but in GTA 5 they ran away from Trevor like little bitches instead of putting up a fight.At least they could have shoot at Trevor while riding their bikes.

They were held at gunpoint by Ron and Wade.

 

Ron and Wade? Lmfao. I doubt they ever fired a gun, plus Ron was scared sh*tless and suggested to Trevor to bring Chef with him instead. Not to mention when Trevor came to Terry & Clay, they were surrounded by Lost dudes with AKs.

Terry and Clay in TLAD, didn't take no sh*t from nobody. They were always there whenever Johnny needed them.

 

Their death was more bullsh*t than Johnny's.

Sorry for double-posting but I'm on my phone.

 

I just wanted to clarify that there's only one Lost with an AK and judging by the way he headed for the van, he seemed pretty confused. As for Terry and Clay, no matter how badass you are, a gun pointed at you is a gun pointed at you, they wouldn't know Ron and Wade are a pair of idiots as I'm guessing they never interacted until then. Trevor even tells Wade "Thank f*ck they didn't take you for the harmless idiots you are."

I assume they left to check if what Trevor said about Johnny is true, judging by their reactions.

Terry: Bullsh*t!

Clay: This better be f*cking bullsh*t.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Lester-The-Molester

[CaptainBicycle]

Johnny's death I hated because of the way it was handled. It seemed like a totally different character. He's addicted to meth and in love with Ashley? What? Having some missions before that, showing Johnny's downfall would have made it better. Had I seen Johnny fall into meth addiction, I would have wanted to put him out of his misery myself. As it is, everytime I play the mission, I trigger the glitch that makes Johnny come back to life.

 

Also, R*. Don't make me have to f*cking kill Terry and Clay for gold. Goddammit.

[DaWiesel]

I just expected more considering how they handled the 3D Era in this regard.

Nah, I'm glad that each returning character only played a minor role, it should always be like that. I want rather new characters getting in the spotlight than the ones we already had to put up with in the last game. Johnny, Terry and Clay were killed, and I didn't care much for it. Those who loved TLaD are going to be upset about it obviously, but I don't really care. ULP and Karen weren't wasted, they just got minor roles, that's all.

 

Packie was IMO the best returning character. Making him appear in a random event which would later make him available as a crew member was a pretty clever idea. I really liked how he talked about the heist in Liberty City in the Paleto Score mission. That was a nice throwback to IV.

Edited February 27, 2016 by DaWiesel

[ChiroVette]

 

I just expected more considering how they handled the 3D Era in this regard.

Nah, I'm glad that each returning character only played a minor role, it should always be like that. I want rather new characters getting in the spotlight than the ones we already had to put up with in the last game. Johnny, Terry and Clay were killed, and I didn't care much for it. Those who loved TLaD are going to be upset about it obviously, but I don't really care. ULP and Karen weren't wasted, they just got minor roles, that's all.

 

Packie was IMO the best returning character. Making him appear in a random event which would later make him available as a crew member was a pretty clever idea. I really liked how he talked about the heist in Liberty City in the Paleto Score mission. That was a nice throwback to IV.

 

 

100% agree. Thankfully Rockstar wasn't dumb enough to try and turn V into some throwback-IV-wankfest. By the way, I hated Packie and his entire family in IV. I thought the whole McDreary family saga was boring and lackluster. But I enjoyed his cameo role a lot in V. I guess because he appeared in minuscule doses.

[Cheatz/Trickz]

Thread title threw me there. Anyway, no, they were minor enough in appearance that it didn't bother me. I was pumped when Trevor killed Johnny, it was a good way to introduce him and I always saw Johnny screwing up eventually (story was downhill from there however). I would still prefer them to interwine the stories a bit more though, Niko coming over to LS and whooping the V trio with his martial arts would be a dream come true.

 

Also the UL Paper guy, Karen and the IAA are better than those FIB tools in V.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Cheatz_N_Trickz

[Sonnу]

My list of Snore characters I want to be finished off in SP DLC or VI (in order of preference):

 

1. Stubbs

2. Yokel

3. Yusuf

4. Roman (one more time)

5. Brian

6. Brucie