Insurgent Pick-Up Can easily kill hydra users

[Mattoropael]

 

Well it's a lot more capable of this thank the poor old tank, but it's still at a disadvantage to a jet.

 

Most jet pilots would just dive bomb you, or if that's not possible, wait high up in the sky until you're in a position where they can dive bomb you.

 

Stupid argument, the person in the insurgent can just as easily wait in an advantageous position

 

 

And the jet can easily go terrorize some other people while you sit under a bridge for 30 minutes like a moron, and then divebomb you when you finally lose patience and get out of that hermit's hut.

 

Unless you can make use of advantageous positions in one of those split-second decision moments, it's a waste of your own time.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Mattoropael

[badnews]

 

 

Well it's a lot more capable of this thank the poor old tank, but it's still at a disadvantage to a jet.

 

Most jet pilots would just dive bomb you, or if that's not possible, wait high up in the sky until you're in a position where they can dive bomb you.

 

Stupid argument, the person in the insurgent can just as easily wait in an advantageous position

 

 

And the jet can easily go terrorize some other people while you sit under a bridge for 30 minutes like a moron.

 

Unless you can make use of advantageous positions in one of those split-second decision moments, it's a waste of your own time.

 

 

As soon as they are focused on someone else you can move away, and even take them out while they are busy divebombing someone else? Your comment in no way takes away the validity of this tactic as a defense against the jet pussies. But as shadowoperative said, nobody else cares, so feel free to PM to continue the debate.

Edited February 25, 2016 by badnews

[Hunter]

 

 

Youve pointed out zero ways around this defense, you are deluded my friend, at absolute best you have shown how to achieve a stalemate from an attack you initiate, but feel free to PM me to continue the debate

 

There's nothing to debate.

 

It will generally come down to who can out - camp the other. Or, if the Insurgent team doesn't watch their backs, a mugger will turn the tide in the jet's favour.

 

In fact, I think the Hydra would come out on top even if it just hovered down and sprayed away. The explosive rounds make the Insurgent shake, so if it's consistently sprayed, the Insurgent can't aim properly.

 

Like I said, I mostly fly helicopters. I've got no horse to back in this race. But jets are, unfortunately, way higher up the food chain than other vehicles. Just how it is.

[Mattoropael]

 

 

 

Well it's a lot more capable of this thank the poor old tank, but it's still at a disadvantage to a jet.

 

Most jet pilots would just dive bomb you, or if that's not possible, wait high up in the sky until you're in a position where they can dive bomb you.

 

Stupid argument, the person in the insurgent can just as easily wait in an advantageous position

 

 

And the jet can easily go terrorize some other people while you sit under a bridge for 30 minutes like a moron.

 

Unless you can make use of advantageous positions in one of those split-second decision moments, it's a waste of your own time.

 

 

As soon as they are focused on someone else you can move away? Your comment in no way takes away the validity of this tactic as a defense against the jet pussies. But as shadowoperative said, nobody else cares, so feel free to PM to continue the debate.

 

 

A vigilant jet pilot keeps tabs on real threats. You would not "move away" from any cover without the jet noticing and coming back to you, either blowing you up or forcing you back into hermit mode.

 

Staying on the move and hugging walls as necessary would serve you much better than playing hermit. Playing too defensively against a jet is stupid.

[badnews]

 

 

 

Youve pointed out zero ways around this defense, you are deluded my friend, at absolute best you have shown how to achieve a stalemate from an attack you initiate, but feel free to PM me to continue the debate

 

There's nothing to debate.

 

It will generally come down to who can out - camp the other.

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

Well it's a lot more capable of this thank the poor old tank, but it's still at a disadvantage to a jet.

 

Most jet pilots would just dive bomb you, or if that's not possible, wait high up in the sky until you're in a position where they can dive bomb you.

 

Stupid argument, the person in the insurgent can just as easily wait in an advantageous position

 

 

And the jet can easily go terrorize some other people while you sit under a bridge for 30 minutes like a moron.

 

Unless you can make use of advantageous positions in one of those split-second decision moments, it's a waste of your own time.

 

 

As soon as they are focused on someone else you can move away? Your comment in no way takes away the validity of this tactic as a defense against the jet pussies. But as shadowoperative said, nobody else cares, so feel free to PM to continue the debate.

 

 

A vigilant jet pilot keeps tabs on real threats. You would not "move away" from any cover without the jet noticing and coming back to you, either blowing you up or forcing you back into hermit mode.

 

Staying on the move and hugging walls as necessary would serve you much better than playing hermit. Playing too defensively against a jet is stupid.

 

 

You go from cover to cover, I have a video somewhere of me being chased by 3 jets at the same time, constantly moving from cover to cover in an unarmored banshee and none of them could get me, aslong as you are careful the jet is much less of a threat than people make out. Hermit mode is the same as jet waiting, that is also hermit mode.

Edited February 25, 2016 by badnews

[Mattoropael]

 

 

 

Youve pointed out zero ways around this defense, you are deluded my friend, at absolute best you have shown how to achieve a stalemate from an attack you initiate, but feel free to PM me to continue the debate

 

There's nothing to debate.

 

It will generally come down to who can out - camp the other. Or, if the Insurgent team doesn't watch their backs, a mugger will turn the tide in the jet's favour.

 

In fact, I think the Hydra would come out on top even if it just hovered down and sprayed away. The explosive rounds make the Insurgent shake, so if it's consistently sprayed, the Insurgent can't aim properly.

 

Like I said, I mostly fly helicopters. I've got no horse to back in this race. But jets are, unfortunately, way higher up the food chain than other vehicles. Just how it is.

 

 

A jet's best move is to do something else while keeping tabs on the Insurgent's whereabouts. Hovering down and spray risks a) getting into the Insurgent's firing arc and b) other people blasting you to kingdom come.

 

It should also be remembered that the Hydra is clumsy in hover mode. A Savage handles like a Frogger compared to a hovering Hydra.

[ViolatingBox]

 

What's to stop the jet dive-bombing from directly above?

 

The roof cover already discussed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the point is, you arent liekly the most subborn, I'll happily wait as long as it takes and just keep rolling joint after joint, chatting friends on the headset and listening to tunes.

 

Aren't I? You're talking to someone who's alienated half the people on this forum by going on and on about a helicopter from 2004. I don't give up easy.

 

At the end of the day, if I'm in a hurry, there's another solution anyway.

 

Fly just above your building and hover, call a mugger, wait until he's got you, then pepper you with explosions.

 

 

I know for a fact Im more stubborn than you, Ive been to prison multiple times soley for not backing down, its like dealing with mentally handicapped children on here sometimes, the thread is about a way to defend from jet attackers, if I am waiting in a postion to destroy you because you have initiated an attack, and then you back away and wait out of reach, you have failed in your attack and I have succesfully defended it.

 

No; I've just out - camped you.

 

1 - 0.

 

You don't know s**t for a fact anyway.

 

Besides, I can mug 'n' bomb. Job done.

 

 

You havent out-camped anything, youve tried to attack and failed and then flown off and hid like a bitch haha, its far from 1 - 0, just shows you as the jet pussy that we all know you are.

 

And Im not sure if you are aware how ineffective a mugger is against the insurgents machine gun, but I can tell you now - its not at all effective, you just reverse so you are fully in cover, shoot the mugger and then return to position.

 

I'm not sure but it sounds like you'll leave yourself vulnerable at some point whereas the jet is camping in the clear skies. You are putting up a decent fight but you are not invulnerable to the air attack in my opinion.

 

 

No, you wont leave yourself vulnerable if done correctly, you are in cover and the jet cant hit you at the angle you are at, when the mugger is in view, you reverse into complete cover - untouchable - kill the mugger, and then get back into original position, theres not a split second where you can be hit.

 

Don't you have to get out of the back and into the front to drive into complete cover then drive forward back into partial cover then get into the gun position? I feel like there is some vulnerability there. Not saying every idiot will get you but there is certainly opportunity to.

 

 

Usually you'd have a seperate driver, but in the instance that you didnt, you would just shoot the mugger from the gun, Im not even sure the mugger can pull out the gunner, Ive never seen it happen. Plus if you have the insurgent positioned correctly the jet still wouldnt have anywhere near enough time to get you in sights if you decided to get out and get in drivers seat first.

 

But as nobody else cares like shadowoperative says, feel free to PM me to continue the debate.

 

No need to take it to pm, this is an open topic and the discussion is on topic unlike half the threads out there. I agree you have a good counter-defensive setup but don't consider it fool proof. It also just becomes a camping game which bores me to death. I don't mind a little battling here and there especially when its a good, fair fight but the griefing and camping gets old quick.

[badnews]

 

Dont get me wrong, I hate camping and I dont often use this defense, I prefer HL and Sniping, but this method is undoubtedly the safest and on the rare occasions I use it, its never failed me, but you are right, nothing is completely fool proof

[badnews]

 

 

 

 

Youve pointed out zero ways around this defense, you are deluded my friend, at absolute best you have shown how to achieve a stalemate from an attack you initiate, but feel free to PM me to continue the debate

 

There's nothing to debate.

 

It will generally come down to who can out - camp the other. Or, if the Insurgent team doesn't watch their backs, a mugger will turn the tide in the jet's favour.

 

In fact, I think the Hydra would come out on top even if it just hovered down and sprayed away. The explosive rounds make the Insurgent shake, so if it's consistently sprayed, the Insurgent can't aim properly.

 

Like I said, I mostly fly helicopters. I've got no horse to back in this race. But jets are, unfortunately, way higher up the food chain than other vehicles. Just how it is.

 

 

A jet's best move is to do something else while keeping tabs on the Insurgent's whereabouts. Hovering down and spray risks a) getting into the Insurgent's firing arc and b) other people blasting you to kingdom come.

 

It should also be remembered that the Hydra is clumsy in hover mode. A Savage handles like a Frogger compared to a hovering Hydra.

 

 

No they are very predictable, you just move to the next piece of cover as they stop above another players dot because they are diving at that moment 9 times out of 10

[bombkangaroo]

 

What's to stop the jet dive-bombing from directly above?

 

The roof cover already discussed?

Ah, I see it, end of the first page.

 

Presumably, when you say roof, you're talking about overpasses, multi-level car-parks, tunnels and petrol station forecourts? It's harder to dive-bomb those locations, but not impossible to spam rockets and pull up before reaching the effective range of the Insurgent's MG. Using overhead cover against aircraft is a good idea in general, but I think you'd probably be better off* using an RPG for the travel time which allows you to retreat to cover before the Jet becomes a threat, or the Heavy Sniper which can reliably out-range the Jet's cannon. (*maybe not financially) I've not tried the insurgent method, so I can't speak about the trade-off between the likelihood of getting hit, vs the ability to take a few strafes, but my gut tells me I'd prefer the manoeuvrability of being on foot.

 

Tangentally: I wonder if we'll ever get one of these?

http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Centurion_C-RAM

It could make for some worthwhile area denial against aircraft without needing a Yacht.

[IamCourtney]

There are no pussies and no wusses in the jungle of Free Roam, only the dead and the not dead yet. Any method that keeps you in column B is fair play as is any tactic that puts your opponent in column A.

[badnews]

 

 

What's to stop the jet dive-bombing from directly above?

 

The roof cover already discussed?

Ah, I see it, end of the first page.

 

Presumably, when you say roof, you're talking about overpasses, multi-level car-parks, tunnels and petrol station forecourts? It's harder to dive-bomb those locations, but not impossible to spam rockets and pull up before reaching the effective range of the Insurgent's MG. Using overhead cover against aircraft is a good idea in general, but I think you'd probably be better off* using an RPG for the travel time which allows you to retreat to cover before the Jet becomes a threat, or the Heavy Sniper which can reliably out-range the Jet's cannon. (*maybe not financially) I've not tried the insurgent method, so I can't speak about the trade-off between the likelihood of getting hit, vs the ability to take a few strafes, but my gut tells me I'd prefer the manoeuvrability of being on foot.

 

Tangentally: I wonder if we'll ever get one of these?

http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Centurion_C-RAM

It could make for some worthwhile area denial against aircraft without needing a Yacht.

 

 

Yes the RPG is better, but this particular thread (which I didnt start) is about using the Insurgent Pickup against jets, so that is what I am discussing, Im happy to discuss the other myriad of methods to take out the jet pussies in a less specific thread.

 

And just as its possible for jet to sweep low, its also possible for the insurgent to reverse slightly so they are unable to be hit, which is the position they should be in already if doing this tactic correctly

There are no pussies and no wusses in the jungle of Free Roam, only the dead and the not dead yet. Any method that keeps you in column B is fair play as is any tactic that puts your opponent in column A.

 

There are many pussies in freemode, most of them using the OP jet to try and boost their K/D ratio by exploiting the game mechanics against players that usually have no interest in ducking and dodging the jet, but as soon as they get killed afew times by someone who actively hunts jets, they invariably move on to an easier target

Edited February 25, 2016 by badnews

[Shneb]

Hydras have three dimensional movement. They can just come in at an angle where the turret can't hit it.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Shneb

[TeammateHelper]

I fly a Mammatus. Am I also cool like you jet pilots?

[Shneb]

I fly a Mammatus. Am I also cool like you jet pilots?

You'll never be cool like a Cuban pilot.

[Jenkiiii]

 

 

If i see any insurgents or tanks when i first log in i hunt them down i haven't been defeated yet

We got a badass over here

 

Badass with a k/d of 11.37 thanks

 

 

And a badass with 1514 posts and only 188 likes - ka-pow - that's the real you

[Mokuakae]

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

[badnews]

Videos are too pointless really, its pretty easy to fake them by getting someone you know to fly the hydra and deliberately miss the insurgent, the jet pussies would instantly scream fake even if it was legit, but next time it happens in game I'll try and remember to hit share afterwards so I can save it, but you can easily try it out for yourself next time you happen to have a jet after you whilst in the insurgent pickup, I dont use it often so isnt a massively common occurence

[Jenkiiii]

Jets are the nearest thing in GTA online to a legal god-mode hack.

 

I own a Hydra but never call for it by default because it's too much of an unfair advantage and I find griefing people for more than a few minutes boring.

 

I remember Diablo II on my PC fifteen years ago, and the Amazon warrior nuclear bomb weapon she had - it was so powerful it ruined the lobby for weaker players, and as a consequence I never used that character.

 

The Hydra is definitely useful but there should be limits...

[The Wandering Hunter]

depends on the pilot

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

[Yuvitheplaya]

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

[Mattoropael]

 

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

 

 

Homing launcher is barely avoidable in a Buzzard. Nowhere as easy as a jet but doable. It's the other choppers that really need to abuse passive to stay alive.

[badnews]

 

 

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

 

 

Homing launcher is barely avoidable in a Buzzard. Nowhere as easy as a jet but doable. It's the other choppers that really need to abuse passive to stay alive.

 

 

Maybe they should buff the helicopters to take an extra HL shot because its way too easy to take them down at the moment, but then make the speed and lock of the HL missiles better so they have a better chance of taking down half decent jet pussies, however a slightly longer cooldown time between shots to even things out.

Edited February 25, 2016 by badnews

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

 

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

 

If its coming toward you its easy to avoid if its behind duck behind a building if lower enough or bail and hold position if i know what player it is i bounty them mug them and message them PUNK!!

[badnews]

 

 

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

 

If its coming toward you its easy to avoid if its behind duck behind a building if lower enough or bail and hold position if i know what player it is i bounty them mug them and message them PUNK!!

 

 

Yeah but without buildings for cover you are pretty screwed really, I always feel like the helicopters are underpowered compared to the HL and particularly the jet

[Mattoropael]

 

 

 

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

 

 

Homing launcher is barely avoidable in a Buzzard. Nowhere as easy as a jet but doable. It's the other choppers that really need to abuse passive to stay alive.

 

 

Maybe they should buff the helicopters to take an extra HL shot because its way too easy to take them down at the moment, but then make the speed and lock of the HL missiles better so they have a better chance of taking down half decent jet pussies, however a slightly longer cooldown time between shots to even things out.

 

 

Making HL properly avoidable in some way (at least on a Buzzard level of "avoidable") is actual balance. It's still just an one-sided attrition war if you're just making helicopters tanky enough to withstand [insert amount] rockets.

 

But balance really isn't important to you, is it?

Edited February 25, 2016 by Mattoropael

[Furtive Pygmy]

I can't say I'm surprised that this thread turned into a bunch of dudes whipping out their e-peens out for a measuring contest. Stay classy boys!

[TeammateHelper]

 

I fly a Mammatus. Am I also cool like you jet pilots?

You'll never be cool like a Cuban pilot.Man, everyone knows Cuban pilots are drug traffickers.

[badnews]

 

 

 

 

Thread disappoints. There is no video of the hydras being shot down. Easy it is! Not that I don't believe, but I'm sure we would all like to see.

Have you ever tried jets vs insurgents try to be the gunner in the insurgent and fire constantly at the hydra it will start to smoke really quick

 

I'd like to see shadowoperative vs harbujahn in freeroam tbh.

One day we will cross paths and just for the record im a buzzard/sniper griefer im pretty useless in a jet

 

What do you do in your buzzard when you see a homing launcher? Enable passive mode?

 

 

Homing launcher is barely avoidable in a Buzzard. Nowhere as easy as a jet but doable. It's the other choppers that really need to abuse passive to stay alive.

 

 

Maybe they should buff the helicopters to take an extra HL shot because its way too easy to take them down at the moment, but then make the speed and lock of the HL missiles better so they have a better chance of taking down half decent jet pussies, however a slightly longer cooldown time between shots to even things out.

 

 

Making HL properly avoidable in some way (at least on a Buzzard level of "avoidable") is actual balance. It's still just an one-sided attrition war if you're just making helicopters tanky enough to withstand [insert amount] rockets.

 

But balance really isn't important to you, is it?

 

 

Balance is important, hence the need to counter the OP'ness of the jet. I also said I agree the buzzard is underpowered and should be addressed too, and thats why my post started with the word 'Maybe', to promote more ideas on how to address balance

Edited February 25, 2016 by badnews