Honest question.

[shadowoperative]

When someone is a huge fan of something they can't understand how someone can think it is awful. Whether it be a videogame, movie or food.

[cryptorelic]

When someone is a huge fan of something they can't understand how someone can think it is awful. Whether it be a videogame, movie or food.

 

Wrong. You should be open minded to people who hate it, hearing their arguments and reasons for it.

(After all, there has to be a reason for hate towards something, right ?)

Not getting completely out of control and attacking on a personal level. Happens a lot around here.

 

Sometimes really unnecessary and annoying on a forum, because after all we should discuss on here.

And i think being part of a forum community should mean being open minded, defending what you stand for with arguments and reasons.

 

Most often i found blind hate, saying stuff without any arguments and if you ask further you get attacked on a personal level.

You can be a huge fan of something, but you should always be Sceptic and not totally blinded by it, mixing up false and right.

 

I always stay neutral with my opinions, i respect the opinions of others but like to discuss about it, with arguments and reasons.

I mean you can only benefit from it, because you can learn from it. You could be proven wrong, and expand your mind.

Edited February 24, 2016 by DoubledRelic696

[ChiroVette]

 

 

Maybe you are not saying that but some V fans definitely just want positive things.

 

 

In this forum, for the most part, that isn't true. I have never once expected a member to withhold ALL criticism and only post "sunshine and puppies" about the game. And I don't think ANY V fan reasonably expects this either.

 

 

The guy who made the "How do you rate the characters of GTA V" thread got salty when people criticised the characters and weren't all positive. He called them "trolls" and another fan even wanted him to report some of the other users...lol.

 

 

Clearly he overreacted because of the atmosphere of negativity that had been pervading this forum until the moderators collectively took care of it. I agree he flew off the handle a little, and I am sure he realizes he did.

 

 

Not to mention bringing up IV all the time and bashing it even though the thread had nothing to do with it.

 

There is a very good reason for this. Because MOST of the rabid IV fans in this forum keep using that game as a battering ram against V. You and others complain that IV shouldn't come into the discussion. Except that you guys are the ones whose love of IV is literally the fuel behind your every criticism of V, whether that position is overtly stated or covertly seeping into the criticisms. Stated another way, you put down your weapons and we'll put down ours! I can assure you that NOBODY would be happier than me to never talk about IV again. But when people constantly lambaste V as "not measuring up to IV" and attack others who dare to enjoy V and believe it is literally ten times the game, ten times the story, and containing ten times the quality characters of IV, then we roll up our sleeves and are honest about the game you guys love, too.

 

So it isn't a fair assessment to get angry when people constantly attack IV in this forum. Because the people attacking V are doing so using IV as their weapon.

 

 

 

There has been plenty of constructive criticism here where people explained their viewpoints (like why most characters of V sucked), its just harsher than some V fans want

You are right that both sides should calm down a bit (me included at times). But I don't think that the "haters" are the only problem here

 

Post all the negativity about V you please. But stop using personal attacks when someone defends the game and gives you reasons, just because you don't like the defense they offer.

Edited February 24, 2016 by ChiroVette

[kvic]

Man some people just don't know when to let things be,give it up already you ask a honest question people gave honest opinion's get over it ,Isn't there countless posts already ,I swear for people who love something so much they spend more time here then playing the game.

[shadowoperative]

I can be open minded and still not understand it. I won't understand but I won't be rude either.

[DangerZ0neX]

You're confusing people who find parts of the game mediocre, like me, with people who think this game is mediocre.

[cryptorelic]

Man some people just don't know when to let things be,give it up already you ask a honest question people gave honest opinion's get over it ,Isn't there countless posts already ,I swear for people who love something so much they spend more time here then playing the game.

 

Yet again, we are discussing something fairly important what is going on for a long time here now. It's not countless posts, since we actually are on a forum.

There is a difference between being honest and making points, acting like you are in a discussion or fight.

 

 

I can be open minded and still not understand it. I won't understand but I won't be rude either.

You should understand it if it's a reasonable opinion or argument, if not, it's more about accepting different views to something.

[shadowoperative]

I accept different views. Most others don't. They know who they are.

[ChiroVette]

Man some people just don't know when to let things be,give it up already you ask a honest question people gave honest opinion's get over it ,Isn't there countless posts already ,I swear for people who love something so much they spend more time here then playing the game.

 

Guess what happens if everyone heeds your admonishment?

 

The forum dies.

[Smith John]

The people in this forum are too critical of GTA V. Much of the criticism is absurd.

But the soft cows' drinking troughs weren't robust or salty enough. Clearly the game failed to deliver.

[CaptainBicycle]

People who didn't like the game (not including myself in that group, loved V) are completely justified in whining all they want. From their POV, R* has been a company spewing out masterpiece after masterpiece, and then they make a game they don't like. They feel betrayed. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Before I entered this forum, I loved the game, my friends loved the game, every professional game reviewer loved the game. Then I come here and BAM! People don't like Michael and Trevor and Franklin and Lester! How could it be? The point of this forum and forums in general is to get to look at the things you like from another point of view. My opinion about V hasn't changed, but now I agree Martin Madrazo could've been an amazing villain. And that idea probably came from a guy who didn't like V, or at least its villains.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

'Kay, here's how it is.

 

I originally joined this forum because of V. It was May of 2012 and hype around V was billowing because of the whole 2405 conspiracy. From then on out I boarded the hype train and simply thought that GTA V was going to be the most versatile, the most in-depth and ultimately the best game Rockstar ever made. I thought that they would take most/all of the greatest things from III, VC, SA and IV and combine the all together. At the time, the trailers sure implied that that was the case.

 

But to me, that wasn't the case in the end. V genuinely comes across and a quantity over quality game to me. Everything is pretty, there is a laundry list of things to do on paper. But there is no depth or feel or any of that.

 

So why am I here? Well 1) V made me join this forum that has a lot more to offer other than just V. 2) I waited one and a half years from May 2012 to September 2013 for this game and I sure as hell was not gonna toss it aside. 3) I still have the overwhelming urge to play V.

 

Let me explain that last part. V is not a terrible game in my eyes. It's big and pretty. The map is detailed and some of the cars are actually great. And as a car guy, if you enjoy a car in a relatively decent game, you're going to want to come back to drive it again or take pictures. There have been numerous times where I've played V solely to drive a specific car or do a photoshoot with it. Nothing else. In fact, 90% of my sessions with V over the summer were just to drive the new DLC cars and do about 10 photoshoots. But I digress, my main point is that V brings me back. It brings me back because it does have a lot to offer but at the same time it's a very flawed game with tons of overlooks, missed opportunities and more.

 

So I play it and I like a few things and notice a few bad things. I come here to discuss it. DLC is a big thing with V so in my eyes a lot of issues can be fixed via DLC.

 

That's why I come here. Also because this is the V Section and so anything V-related can be discussed.

 

Before all of this idiotic IV vs V crap started and before we had dorks whining about complainers, we could come to this forum to talk about every GTA and express both our complaints and compliments. No hater, no fanboy, none of that. Those who were legitimately haters (Zee) or fanboys (a few) were ridiculed and outcasted. That's how it was. Period.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Scaglietti

[DaWiesel]

There is no problem with criticism when it is posted where it belongs, but it becomes a problem when threads which purpose is not for criticism gets flooded by people whining and bitching about the game. And it becomes a problem when people tell their opinions as facts and insult people for liking something they don't. I seriously expect a bit more maturity from those people, especially from those who complain that V is a kids game, which is completely absurd by the way. But V fans should also be a bit more open minded and not call everyone a hater just because they do not agree with the criticism. Many like to express their disappointment in an exaggerated way but there are other ways to deal with that than calling them names.

Edited February 24, 2016 by DaWiesel

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

There is no problem with criticism when it is posted where it belongs, but it becomes a problem when threads which purpose is not for criticism gets flooded by people whining and bitching about the game. And it becomes a problem when people tell their opinions as facts and insult people for liking something they don't. I seriously expect a bit more maturity from those people, especially from those who complain that V is a kids game, which is completely absurd by the way. But V fans should also be a bit more open minded and not call everyone a hater just because he does not agree with the criticism. Many like to express their disappointment in an exaggerated way but there are other ways to deal with that than calling them names.

The problem is on both sides. Don't point fingers.

[DaWiesel]

 

There is no problem with criticism when it is posted where it belongs, but it becomes a problem when threads which purpose is not for criticism gets flooded by people whining and bitching about the game. And it becomes a problem when people tell their opinions as facts and insult people for liking something they don't. I seriously expect a bit more maturity from those people, especially from those who complain that V is a kids game, which is completely absurd by the way. But V fans should also be a bit more open minded and not call everyone a hater just because he does not agree with the criticism. Many like to express their disappointment in an exaggerated way but there are other ways to deal with that than calling them names.

The problem is on both sides. Don't point fingers.

And that's another problem, people replying to posts they didn't read to the end. That's also how arguments happen btw.

[shadowoperative]

There is no problem with criticism when it is posted where it belongs, but it becomes a problem when threads which purpose is not for criticism gets flooded by people whining and bitching about the game. And it becomes a problem when people tell their opinions as facts and insult people for liking something they don't. I seriously expect a bit more maturity from those people, especially from those who complain that V is a kids game, which is completely absurd by the way. But V fans should also be a bit more open minded and not call everyone a hater just because they do not agree with the criticism. Many like to express their disappointment in an exaggerated way but there are other ways to deal with that than calling them names.

Exactly. There is a bitch and moan thread for a reason. I would put period at the end but I am aware people may differ in their opinion.

 

@DaWiesel best to ignore him.

Edited February 24, 2016 by shadowoperative

[Journey_95]

 

 

 

Maybe you are not saying that but some V fans definitely just want positive things.

 

 

In this forum, for the most part, that isn't true. I have never once expected a member to withhold ALL criticism and only post "sunshine and puppies" about the game. And I don't think ANY V fan reasonably expects this either.

 

 

The guy who made the "How do you rate the characters of GTA V" thread got salty when people criticised the characters and weren't all positive. He called them "trolls" and another fan even wanted him to report some of the other users...lol.

 

 

Clearly he overreacted because of the atmosphere of negativity that had been pervading this forum until the moderators collectively took care of it. I agree he flew off the handle a little, and I am sure he realizes he did.

 

 

Not to mention bringing up IV all the time and bashing it even though the thread had nothing to do with it.

 

There is a very good reason for this. Because MOST of the rabid IV fans in this forum keep using that game as a battering ram against V. You and others complain that IV shouldn't come into the discussion. Except that you guys are the ones whose love of IV is literally the fuel behind your every criticism of V, whether that position is overtly stated or covertly seeping into the criticisms. Stated another way, you put down your weapons and we'll put down ours! I can assure you that NOBODY would be happier than me to never talk about IV again. But when people constantly lambaste V as "not measuring up to IV" and attack others who dare to enjoy V and believe it is literally ten times the game, ten times the story, and containing ten times the quality characters of IV, then we roll up our sleeves and are honest about the game you guys love, too.

 

So it isn't a fair assessment to get angry when people constantly attack IV in this forum. Because the people attacking V are doing so using IV as their weapon.

 

 

 

There has been plenty of constructive criticism here where people explained their viewpoints (like why most characters of V sucked), its just harsher than some V fans want

You are right that both sides should calm down a bit (me included at times). But I don't think that the "haters" are the only problem here

 

Post all the negativity about V you please. But stop using personal attacks when someone defends the game and gives you reasons, just because you don't like the defense they offer.

 

Wrong. Even though I would have liked if GTA V was more like IV in terms of tone etc. I didn't expect it after all the whining about IV, Rockstar was sadly going to change up things again.

 

But GTA V doesn't even hold up in many ways to VC and SA (even though the latter has its own issues like the lame protag called CJ). There are no memorable characters like Woozie, Mike Toreno, Lance Vance, Ken Rosenberg etc. and the antagonists are just trash compared to Sonny, Tenpenny etc.

 

The whole being pussies of the FIB for the majority of the story is just lame, the whole corrupt goverment angle takes away too much screentime instead of "real" crime organizations like in previous titles

 

The satire is too much in your face and over the top etc. Its not just that V pales in comparison with IV but it also does compared to the other great GTA's

 

And who is using personal attacks? I really don't remember insulting anyone, of course if I did I apologize (if anything I and other GTA IV fans were called trolls just for hating on V)

Edited February 24, 2016 by Journey_95

[shadowoperative]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe you are not saying that but some V fans definitely just want positive things.

 

In this forum, for the most part, that isn't true. I have never once expected a member to withhold ALL criticism and only post "sunshine and puppies" about the game. And I don't think ANY V fan reasonably expects this either.

 

 

The guy who made the "How do you rate the characters of GTA V" thread got salty when people criticised the characters and weren't all positive. He called them "trolls" and another fan even wanted him to report some of the other users...lol.

 

Clearly he overreacted because of the atmosphere of negativity that had been pervading this forum until the moderators collectively took care of it. I agree he flew off the handle a little, and I am sure he realizes he did.

 

 

Not to mention bringing up IV all the time and bashing it even though the thread had nothing to do with it.

There is a very good reason for this. Because MOST of the rabid IV fans in this forum keep using that game as a battering ram against V. You and others complain that IV shouldn't come into the discussion. Except that you guys are the ones whose love of IV is literally the fuel behind your every criticism of V, whether that position is overtly stated or covertly seeping into the criticisms. Stated another way, you put down your weapons and we'll put down ours! I can assure you that NOBODY would be happier than me to never talk about IV again. But when people constantly lambaste V as "not measuring up to IV" and attack others who dare to enjoy V and believe it is literally ten times the game, ten times the story, and containing ten times the quality characters of IV, then we roll up our sleeves and are honest about the game you guys love, too.

 

So it isn't a fair assessment to get angry when people constantly attack IV in this forum. Because the people attacking V are doing so using IV as their weapon.

 

 

 

There has been plenty of constructive criticism here where people explained their viewpoints (like why most characters of V sucked), its just harsher than some V fans want

You are right that both sides should calm down a bit (me included at times). But I don't think that the "haters" are the only problem here

Post all the negativity about V you please. But stop using personal attacks when someone defends the game and gives you reasons, just because you don't like the defense they offer.

 

Wrong. Even though I would have liked if GTA V was more like IV in terms of tone etc. I didn't expect it after all the whining about IV, Rockstar was sadly going to change up things again.

 

But GTA V doesn't even hold up in many ways to VC and SA (even though the latter has its own issues like the lame protag called CJ). There are no memorable characters like Woozie, Mike Toreno, Lance Vance, Ken Rosenberg etc. and the antagonists are just trash compared to Sonny, Tenpenny etc.

You state this like it is FACT. When it is just another opinion.

[Osho]

One thing though, V was not supposed to be IV 2.0!

If LC had ton of dirty streets and IV was dark and gritty in story, doesn't mean V should follow the same principle.

Some people don't like clean streets, too shiny and other quite absurd things about V that prefer IV.

Clearly, V is not for them.

[Jerking For Soup]

I used to adore it. Now I just hate it and love it at the same time. I barely even play it a whole lot anymore.

[ChiroVette]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong. Even though I would have liked if GTA V was more like IV in terms of tone etc. I didn't expect it after all the whining about IV, Rockstar was sadly going to change up things again.

 

 

No, what I said was 100% right. YOU personally may not intend to post with IV as your yardstick, but you are not the only one criticizing V. And by the way, don't give me that anyway. Because several times I said that I thought that V has a far better story than IV and V has much better characters, and you called me a troll for it.

 

So don't try to tell me that you aren't using IV as your battering ram. If you weren't, you would have accepted my opinion as different from yours and moved on.

 

 

But GTA V doesn't even hold up in many ways to VC and SA (even though the latter has its own issues like the lame protag called CJ). There are no memorable characters like Woozie, Mike Toreno, Lance Vance, Ken Rosenberg etc. and the antagonists are just trash compared to Sonny, Tenpenny etc.

 

V has some of the BEST protagonists in the history of the series. And I say the same about the side characters. They are very memorable. I agree that San Andreas did as well, as was Vice City, and I would say that its hard to say whether Lester, Amanda, Norton, Stretch, Beverly, Dom, Ron, Tanya, and all of V's cast is necessarily better than San Andreas's and Vice City's cast. They are all awesome in their own way. III, VC, SA, and V.

 

 

The whole being pussies of the FIB for the majority of the story is just lame, the whole corrupt goverment angle takes away too much screentime instead of "real" crime organizations like in previous titles

 

Working for the government takes NOTHING away from the real crime and story. It is an AMAZING plot twist with motifs of international and governmental intrigue. Love it!

 

 

 

The satire is too much in your face and over the top etc. Its not just that V pales in comparison with IV but it also does compared to the other great GTA's

 

And who is using personal attacks? I really don't remember insulting anyone, of course if I did I apologize (if anything I and other GTA IV fans were called trolls just for hating on V)

 

 

The satire is perfectly balanced with the serious parts of the story and blows the ever loving doors off of IV. It is equivalent in value to the other GTA games, not necessarily better nor worse, though.

 

To reiterate, in response to the underlined part, you called me a troll SEVERAL times for doing nothing but expressing my opinions about V.

[Blackened]

I just wanted to clarify something regarding people's "rights" to complain.

 

You don't have any rights here. You have permission to post according to the ToS and rules. This is a privately owned discussion board. This "I bought the game so I have the right to complain" is nonsense and completely irrelevant to this forum. You either post in a manner that doesn't degrade forum relations, or you are stopped from posting.

 

Simple.

 

This forum has no official affiliation with R* or GTA. You are posting here to talk with fans. Your negative opinions that are so invaluable for the rest of us, are just that - an opinion shared with fellow fans, not R*. I'm not talking about anybody who presents a decent argument, they know who they are. This is addressed directly to those who use their purchase as their "right" to sling sh*t everywhere.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Blackened

[shadowoperative]

I just wanted to clarify something regarding people's "rights" to complain.

 

You don't have any rights here. You have permission to post according to the ToS and rules. This is a privately owned discussion board. This "I bought the game so I have the right to complain" is nonsense and completely irrelevant to this forum. You either post in a manner that doesn't degrade forum relations, or you are stopped from posting.

 

Simple. This forum has no official affiliation with R* or GTA. You are posting here to talk with fans. Your negative opinions that are so invaluable for the rest of us, are just that. I'm not talking about anybody who presents a decent argument, they know who they are. This addressed directly to those who use their purchase as their "right" to sling sh*t everywhere.

Great point.

 

You had me at FANS.

[ChiroVette]

There is no problem with criticism when it is posted where it belongs, but it becomes a problem when threads which purpose is not for criticism gets flooded by people whining and bitching about the game. And it becomes a problem when people tell their opinions as facts and insult people for liking something they don't. I seriously expect a bit more maturity from those people, especially from those who complain that V is a kids game, which is completely absurd by the way. But V fans should also be a bit more open minded and not call everyone a hater just because they do not agree with the criticism. Many like to express their disappointment in an exaggerated way but there are other ways to deal with that than calling them names.

 

100% agree! And it has been historically a huge problem in this forum when people go into threads that are "positive V threads" and argue for IV and against V. It would be every bit as wrong if you and I were to go into the "GTA V whine and complain" thread and argue against the criticisms.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Threads like this are funny. Everybody leans to the "anti-complaint" side and that's exactly why threads like this don't last long. Blame blame blame. Learn how a forum works. Better yet, get your hesd out of your rectum and learn how to see things from many perspectives.

[Blackened]

Threads like this are funny. Everybody leans to the "anti-complaint" side and that's exactly why threads like this don't last long. Blame blame blame. Learn how a forum works. Better yet, get your hesd out of your rectum and learn how to see things from many perspectives.

Which perspective is the one where people's intelligence is questioned for having differing opinions?

 

Also, I'm quite sure that everyone on the "anti complaint" side has stated that the blame falls on either side. It's a collective effort to speak to each other with respect and have friendly discussion. Not dismiss those who would prefer complaining didn't take precedent over friendly debate.

 

The only reason this "us" and "them" mentality is prevelant is because members clearly created a divide in-which each side would back the opinions of their peers. There's no need for it.

 

Nobody in this section could say with truth that they'd be happy if this sh*t started happening in IV section. According to some, it would be totally fine for us to go sh*t up that area with an abundance of negativity and hosility. One might question why this happens daily here, but not elsewhere.

 

This "learn how forums work" tripe is sort of thrown out the window when you have a peek into the IV section, which whenever I do, remains mostly civilised with groups of IV regs. If this section was an indication of forums "working", why does IV section appear to be broken?

Edited February 24, 2016 by Blackened

[CarlitoDorito]

Possibly the hope that SP DLC may be released. Some people like causing themselves pain so there's that. You could say the loading screen has hidden messages telling everyone to like the game, ever since 3, GTA is actually the worst series ever, but everyone is hypnotised. There's crazier theories on the Internet which people actually believe. Some like getting value for money in the extreme, 600 hours for $60 is demanded I think. Maybe some like the game more than they would admit on a forum to avoid the abuse.

[Misunderstood]

 

 

What GTA V should have been (xDDDDDD)

[ChiroVette]

Threads like this are funny. Everybody leans to the "anti-complaint" side and that's exactly why threads like this don't last long. Blame blame blame. Learn how a forum works. Better yet, get your hesd out of your rectum and learn how to see things from many perspectives.

 

No reasonable person is leaning toward the "anti-complaint" side. You paid money for your game. You are a paying customer. You have the right to enjoy the game to whatever extent you do and complain about anything else you don't like or have niggles with or even outright hate. Rockstar is not "owed" any loyalty from customers because they are not giving their products away for free. So long as their games are sold for money, complaints are fair game.

 

I think, however, that what some on the pro-V side are reacting to are complaints that seem out of place and or seem like they are intentionally meant to start arguments. But even those are fair, to be honest. Hey, if I can write poetry about Johnny K's brains on the bottom of Trevor's shoe, and I can call it Snore all day, I won't begrudge Snore fans from having a go at V. Fair is fair.

 

You know what the difference is? At least when I go on my anti-Snore tirades, I know I'm being an ass.

 

Can the same be said for people on the anti-V side slinging just as intentionally inflammatory remarks?

Edited February 24, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Lester-The-Molester]

ChiroVette

Watch out, some don't like you calling it Snore, even though a blind-eye is turned to posts that are worse than a simple joke.