Honest question.

[shadowoperative]

If you find the game or any part of it mediocre why do you play it?

 

Hate the story, map, characters, lack of dlc why play?

 

I have rented/bought games I didn't care for and I simply returned it and never played it again.

 

Didn't replay it and certainly didn't go on the forums to mock the intelligence of those who did.

 

If you prefer IV you could play that or rent games until you find the best one for you.

 

Thoughts?

[DANIEL3GS]

I don't.

[shadowoperative]

So you are part of a forum for something you don't like and know nothing about?

[DANIEL3GS]

So you are part of a forum for something you don't like and know nothing about?

I know much about the game because i played it. And yes i made an account because i thought it was going to be a great game.

Edited February 24, 2016 by DANIEL3GS

[shadowoperative]

Fair enough. Some of us do think it is great.

[Misunderstood]

Just because I find part of the game mediocre doesn't mean I can't enjoy the rest. For example, I found the story for the first Tomb Raider reboot to be a bore the characters to be sh*t but I still played it because of the solid gameplay. Same thing with GTA V, I find the characters and story to be meh/average and in that regard, it did disappoint me but the gameplay itself is good enough that I can have enjoyment. That enjoyment increases with the fact that I can mod the living hell out of V.

[Osho]

Attack by V critics: You can't mention IV in V section, you clearly are wrong about IV.

 

Defence of V critics: We don't hate V but are comparing it with IV because IV is better even though we tell others not to mention IV.

 

 

I feel the rest of us are stuck between this back and forth attack/defenses, where praising V creates an impression that we are doing it for the sake of it and V critics think that its not worth praising V [ insert any aspect ] for it.

 

 

To sum it up, I guess some of us just need to STOP treating [ any ] games as their private property and stop acting like they have some exclusive right to shout "don't mention this or that" when looking at any topic, especially when people compare two games, which gets derailed by a small vocal minority who doesn't think that to be a "good/right opinion" against a game they favor so much.

If you take out such over obsessed fanboys, then there's nothing wrong if one prefers IV yet shares a constructive criticism against V, that's fine. I personally don't like the attacks on members who may not always look at the game in a way many would think illogical to praise V for it, but behaving aggressively in response as if one just cant have a perspective of their own to express their opinion for the game seems to derail the threads more.

I always targeted the game and Rockstar; the developer, than attack the posters who appreciate V.

This applies to those who appreciate any game equally and have this tendency to not discuss any criticism about the game, though it all depends on the topic, and the circumstances of it.

For the most part, the main point of any thread, is to have a good discussion and it would be great if we focus on the purpose of the thread and share our opinions within the confines of the said purpose or goal than attempt to stop people to give their feedback freely just because of how much you hate/dislike that in comparison to any GTA you think does better.

[chilleverest]

If you find the game or any part of it mediocre why do you play it?

 

 

If you only see V moaners then why visit the forum ? Thoughts ?

 

Also to answer the question, maybe i find some part of it fun, even though its mediocre.

Edited February 24, 2016 by chilleverest

[Fuzzknuckles]

Thoughts? I give this thread another three pages before it's locked.

[shadowoperative]

Thoughts? I give this thread another three pages before it's locked.

I will do my best to keep it open and on point.

[walkingsickness]

Thoughts? I give this thread another three pages before it's locked.

 

I give it two before it goes it takes a turn to the dark side..

[WavyWeazel]

If you find the game or any part of it mediocre why do you play it?

 

Kind of a silly thing to ask. Does every part of a game have to be 100% perfect for you to play it?

 

Most people would say no.

[shadowoperative]

 

If you find the game or any part of it mediocre why do you play it?

Kind of a silly thing to ask. Does every part of a game have to be 100% perfect for you to play it?

 

Most people would say no.

No but I have never kept playing a game if I found part of it to be mediocre.

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

Thoughts? I give this thread another three pages before it's locked.

I will do my best to keep it open and on point.

 

It's not you I'm worried about here.

[Sonnу]

Snore sucks.

 

What? It is going to be closed anyway

 

[shadowoperative]

It shouldn't be closed if there is no mud slinging and we ALL stay on topic.

[Creme_Brulee]

They probably don't like part of the game, but that doesn't meant they can't enjoy the rest of it.

I can't really talk about V because I really enjoy it, but for example, VC. The story was great, the map, the radio, the cars, but I didn't like dying and losing all my weapons, I didn't like the shooting at all, I didn't like not being able to turn the camera around freely and I definitely didn't like NPCs spawning behind me out of nowhere shooting me in some missions.

But that didn't stop me from playing.

 

This is a forum after all, it's meant to discuss things, but some people simply don't realize they're making the discussion go out of hand.

[ChiroVette]

 

So you are part of a forum for something you don't like and know nothing about?

i thought it was going to be a great game.

 

 

It is.

 

Just because I find part of the game mediocre doesn't mean I can't enjoy the rest.

 

This I can completely understand. You still enjoy the game, modding it, probably the gameplay, etc. So you post both your criticisms and your positive comments. I think what Shadow is wondering is what makes people who hate almost everything about this game keep coming to this forum day in and day out? I mean the last GTA game some of the people here enjoyed was 8 years ago! And Rockstar isn't exactly looking like they are planning on going backward toward IV's fundamental paradigm.

 

Yet, here we are, coming up on the THIRD year of GTA V being out, and there are still people who pretty much hate the game but can't stop talking about it. I know, for me, when IV was launched, I complained in IV forums for a few months and moved on. V brought me back into the series, but I am trying to imagine what it would have taken to get me to summon the will to be posting AGAINST IV, constantly deriding and attacking it, and calling its fans names, three years after it launched, say back in 2011.

 

It boggles my mind. People have the right to post, just as I had the right to back then. But I think Shadow is wondering, what would possess a person to continue in such negativity YEARS later? I couldn't summon the will to go to IV forums even three months after the game launched, because as huge a GTA fanboy as I am, I just stayed with San Andreas and other 3D era games, along with moving on to other titles, like Saints Row,. Just Cause, etc. But day in, day out, coming to a forum for a game you hate? It boggles the mind!

 

Like I said, your position I understand. You enjoy certain parts of the game and criticize others. That makes sense to me, even in areas where you and I fundamentally disagree.

 

 

 

 

If you find the game or any part of it mediocre why do you play it?

Kind of a silly thing to ask. Does every part of a game have to be 100% perfect for you to play it?

 

Most people would say no.

No but I have never kept playing a game if I found part of it to be mediocre.

 

 

I have. Parts of a game not living up to what I wanted is one thing. But a complete and total divergence from any and all things I want from a game? At that point, I am just DONE with it. Done going to the forum for it and certainly done playing it. But no game is perfect. There are several games that are a lot of fun despite issues and complaints I have.

 

 

Snore sucks.

 

 

Yes it does! Thankfully we have V!

[HaRdSTyLe_83]

 

Thoughts? I give this thread another three pages before it's locked.

I will do my best to keep it open and on point.

 

 

as it was up to you to keep the thread open... lmao

if others derail the topic, mods will close.

 

 

so Inb4lock

 

and about the topic: mind your own business. i will bitch if a want to

[Journey_95]

Just because I think that the story and characters of GTA V were rather sh*tty for the most part doesn't mean the whole game was bad.

 

The open world was great (as expected of Rockstar games), Los Santos and Blaine County were a joy to explore. The gameplay was pretty good and its amazing what the got out of they last gen consoles in terms of graphics.

 

Also some of the story missions were quite fun (Jewel Store Heist etc.), some characters were good too (Michael etc.).

 

Still I actually don't play it anymore (only did 1 1/2 playthroughs because of the negative aspects of the game), probably will again though before GTA VI.

 

 

 

As to why I come here...well why not? Overall I'm still a fan of GTA and this is an open discussion forum. Didn't know it was restricted to just fans who enjoyed V 100%. We bought the game and have a right to complain about sh*t we didn't like

 

And lol no one is mocking people who enjoyed it. People are criticizing the freaking game but you seem to think that its personal (like in the other thread where you wanted to report people...)

Edited February 24, 2016 by Journey_95

[DANIEL3GS]

@chiro i don't think it is. It's a average game and a sh*tty rockstar game.

[Badman_]

The people in this forum are too critical of GTA V. Much of the criticism is absurd.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Lamarz

[combustion]

I complain about any pathetic games I've played.

 

I also sometimes complain about any brilliant games I've played.

 

I bought it and I play it.

[ChiroVette]

@chiro i don't think it is. It's a average game and a sh*tty rockstar game.

 

Obviously I disagree. I think it is a fantasmagorical game with amazing Rockstar offering. (lol making up words today)

Edited February 24, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Blackened]

Just because I think that the story and characters of GTA V were rather sh*tty for the most part doesn't mean the whole game was bad.

 

The open world was great (as expected of Rockstar games), Los Santos and Blaine County were a joy to explore. The gameplay was pretty good and its amazing what the got out of they last gen consoles in terms of graphics.

 

Also some of the story missions were quite fun (Jewel Store Heist etc.), some characters were good too (Michael etc.).

 

Still I actually don't play it anymore (only did 1 1/2 playthroughs because of the negative aspects of the game), probably will again though before GTA VI.

 

 

 

As to why I come here...well why not? Overall I'm still a fan of GTA and this is an open discussion forum. Didn't know it was restricted to just fans who enjoyed V 100%. We bought the game and have a right to complain about sh*t we didn't like

 

And lol no one is mocking people who enjoyed it. People are criticizing the freaking game but you seem to think that its personal (like in the other thread where you wanted to report people...)

see this reasoning every time this conversation comes up. This "Oh, because you don't want me to complain constantly, I should instead praise it constantly?" is not sound reasoning. Nobody is saying anywhere that everybody should only post nice things and criticism should go away because it's all nasty. The point is that more often than not, GTA V critique comes in the form of "this sh*t was boring and stupid and the characters were designed by 12 year olds, for 12 year olds". There's a big difference between constructive criticism and dumping a pile of opinionated rhetoric at everybody's feet.

 

Most of the daily users here are quite capable of informed, classy discussion, but there always seems to be these 5-10 people who jump into conversations with the intention of alienating other users, usually because of a difference of opinion. Everyone here knows fine and well that nobody here expects anyone to flounder about in hopeless V praise-land. It's absolute nonsense.

 

Instead of thinking about your "rights" to complain about a product you bought, consider community interaction, friendliness. Not just "I BOUGHT THIS GAME AND GOSH DARNED IF EVERYBODY ISN'T GONNA HEAR ME COMPLAIN ABOUT IT", because put simply, your valid opinion is only falling on fellow fans' ears. Nobody at R* gives a sh*t what you're saying about their game on an unofficial fan forum.

 

Moral of the story, both sides should consider whether they should really be making potentially disparaging posts, unless of course they couldn't give a flying sherk cerd$$ about the community.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Blackened

[cryptorelic]

Well i never understood all the moan and hate about V.

I mean, you either hate it or love it, but where is the point about complaining 24/7 ?

Takes time, nerves and is really senseless. Also, there is a difference between complaining and suggesting.

(No offense to people doing it, it's just my particular view)

 

Anyways, i liked GTA V the first few months, i was hyped for it.

Completed two save files to 100% and got into the story, was nice.

I got back to IV and kind of enjoy it, i plan on replaying V someday.

(Because it just fits my personal taste a lot more, no offense)

 

I did also play Online for a few months straight, stopped after i reached a average level and had no point to continue playing.

(Because the Heists (what i most enjoyed) got no further support or updates, other activity was boring for me)

 

After all, R* did a great job, but the fanbase turned upside down, sadly. Moaning and hate everywhere.

Complaining about totally abstract and small things, things which i didn't even notice during gameplay.

Edited February 24, 2016 by DoubledRelic696

[ChiroVette]

Great post, DoubleRelic696!!

 

And lol no one is mocking people who enjoyed it. People are criticizing the freaking game but you seem to think that its personal (like in the other thread where you wanted to report people...)

 

This is starting to become true, and that is only because some of the V-haters who have traditionally been guilty of bashing people for enjoying and defending V have been thankfully warned and sanctioned! But you weren't posting here a few weeks ago, and I can assure you things were a lot different. So THANK YOU to SonsOfLiberty and the other mods for turning their attention to those elements.

 

And speaking of which, you yourself have made disparaging remarks about opinions expressed SINCERELY by myself and others. Several instances where my posts were incredibly pro-V and anti-IV, and instead of having the temerity of disagreeing with me like a gentleman, you attacked my character and accused me of trolling. And this was in the past couple of days. So unless you are prepared to STOP doing crap like that, then don't sit there with righteous indignation, posturing that nobody is mocking people who enjoy V. And by the way, your comments disparaging people who posted honestly about V were quite tame in comparison to some of the people trolling and flaming this forum's participants. As annoying as your accusations have been, you are nowhere near the worst offender.

 

 

 

 

see this reasoning every time this conversation comes up. This "Oh, because you don't want me to complain constantly, I should instead praise it constantly?" is not sound reasoning. Nobody is saying anywhere that everybody should only post nice things and criticism should go away because it's all nasty.

 

What you are accurately alluding to is called a Straw Man argument. That is when someone attempts to attack your position by intentionally misrepresenting, distorting, or exaggerating it. As you said, NOBODY here is suggesting that complaints not be made. But some of the critics here are asserting that its either all or nothing.

Edited February 24, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Rhoda]

You don't like V. That's fine. People are always going to complain about what they don't like, and they're also going to continue playing because we're all masochists. Plus, if everyone stopped doing things they didn't like we wouldn't have discussions. It isn't how the world works, and for as long as they don't break any rules, I'm not going to stop them.

[Blackened]

You don't like V. That's fine. People are always going to complain about what they don't like, and they're also going to continue playing because we're all masochists. Plus, if everyone stopped doing things they didn't like we wouldn't have discussions. It isn't how the world works, and for as long as they don't break any rules, I'm not going to stop them.

What you're saying is true. Disagreements fuel discussion, more often than not. The issue being addressed here is the constant, grinding and whining going on. The forum is basically a place for V haters to spew their hate, while the rest of us, discussing maturely and fairly, are left to either respond to it or work around it.

 

As I said, critique is welcomed, but it seems like that's all this section is for. Positive thread? Flooded by negativity. Negative thread? Flooded with negativity. It's constant, boring and doesn't seem particularly fair since it only seems to be prevalent in this section.

 

I could name at least 5 members who have outrun their ban for long enough. It's clear to see the individuals who have no interest in doing anything other than causing arguments and forcing everybody to listen to their cries.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Blackened

[Journey_95]

 

Just because I think that the story and characters of GTA V were rather sh*tty for the most part doesn't mean the whole game was bad.

 

The open world was great (as expected of Rockstar games), Los Santos and Blaine County were a joy to explore. The gameplay was pretty good and its amazing what the got out of they last gen consoles in terms of graphics.

 

Also some of the story missions were quite fun (Jewel Store Heist etc.), some characters were good too (Michael etc.).

 

Still I actually don't play it anymore (only did 1 1/2 playthroughs because of the negative aspects of the game), probably will again though before GTA VI.

 

 

 

As to why I come here...well why not? Overall I'm still a fan of GTA and this is an open discussion forum. Didn't know it was restricted to just fans who enjoyed V 100%. We bought the game and have a right to complain about sh*t we didn't like

 

And lol no one is mocking people who enjoyed it. People are criticizing the freaking game but you seem to think that its personal (like in the other thread where you wanted to report people...)

see this reasoning every time this conversation comes up. This "Oh, because you don't want me to complain constantly, I should instead praise it constantly?" is not sound reasoning. Nobody is saying anywhere that everybody should only post nice things and criticism should go away because it's all nasty. The point is that more often than not, GTA V critique comes in the form of "this sh*t was boring and stupid and the characters were designed by 12 year olds, for 12 year olds". There's a big difference between constructive criticism and dumping a pile of opinionated rhetoric at everybody's feet.

 

Most of the daily users here are quite capable of informed, classy discussion, but there always seems to be these 5-10 people who jump into conversations with the intention of alienating other users, usually because of a difference of opinion. Everyone here knows fine and well that nobody here expects anyone to flounder about in hopeless V praise-land. It's absolute nonsense.

 

Instead of thinking about your "rights" to complain about a product you bought, consider community interaction, friendliness. Not just "I BOUGHT THIS GAME AND GOSH DARNED IF EVERYBODY ISN'T GONNA HEAR ME COMPLAIN ABOUT IT", because put simply, your valid opinion is only falling on fellow fans' ears. Nobody at R* gives a sh*t what you're saying about their game on an unofficial fan forum.

 

Moral of the story, both sides should consider whether they should really be making potentially disparaging posts, unless of course they couldn't give a flying sherk cerd$$ about the community.

 

Maybe you are not saying that but some V fans definitely just want positive things. The guy who made the "How do you rate the characters of GTA V" thread got salty when people criticised the characters and weren't all positive. He called them "trolls" and another fan even wanted him to report some of the other users...lol.

 

Not to mention bringing up IV all the time and bashing it even though the thread had nothing to do with it.

 

There has been plenty of constructive criticism here where people explained their viewpoints (like why most characters of V sucked), its just harsher than some V fans want

You are right that both sides should calm down a bit (me included at times). But I don't think that the "haters" are the only problem here

Edited February 24, 2016 by Journey_95