The Next DLC Discussion Thread

[SickBoy]

 

 

 

I don't understand this whole thing about Liberty City being the potential expansion to GTA 5, surely it would make more sense for it to be Las Venturas, especially considering all that business about casinos being added. I know there was an apparent leak about LC *supposedly* being in the works, but was that legit?

 

The reason is that LC is already a complete location that only requires bringing up to date in the same way GTAV has been for current gen. R* are NOT going to create, from scratch, an entire new city simply as part of a single player DLC combined with new GTA: Online location. It's just not logical at all.

 

The only way we'll see any other location besides LC is when R* release GTA VI, and LC will probably be the DLC that tides players over until VI actually comes out.

 

But between bringing Liberty City up to date and the storm that hit it, supposedly rendering some locations severely flooded and completely changing the boundaries and landmasses, it wouldn't be *much* more different than creating a new map, not to mention, whats the point of adding an expansion to the other side of the country, as opposed to the locations that were in the original San Andreas such as San Fierro or Las Venturas?

Edited February 25, 2016 by ScottishPunk

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Are people already claiming the Xbone/PS4 are too weak to handle an expansion? Do you know how utterly stupid and how unbelievably bullsh*t that sounds? LOL Give me a break!

[Nomis24]

 

 

speak for yourself I'm all over the map

 

So am I, but usually for other boomy reasons...

 

When I am in a public lobby, which is rare, I usually go wherever there are no players, which is mostly Blaine County, or Plaleto Bay, most people are just in the city, bombing each other with Hydras and rarely ever come all the way across the map to kill me.

 

There are some players I've played with who never even knew that Grapeseed was a place, and no they were not level 5.

 

R* should just add more things to do in Blaine County/Paleto Bay, more people would most likely hang out there more.

 

I don't really understand when people are saying: They need to add more thing to do in these place. IMO there is no ''more'' thing to do in the city its just that most of people spawn there so everybody stay there to mess around/kill other players. If there was a good reason for all players to spawn in grapeseed, sandyshore or paleto bay, you would see a lot more action there in public lobbies I believe.

[reform]

One thing's for sure, if there were a few 10 car garages/properties out in Blaine County, and wildlife in the hills and forests, you'd get a lot more people out in the country.

 

 

But between bringing Liberty City up to date and the storm that hit it, supposedly rendering some locations severely flooded and completely changing the boundaries and landmasses, it wouldn't be *much* more different than creating a new map, not to mention, whats the point of adding an expansion to the other side of the country, as opposed to the locations that were in the original San Andreas such as San Fierro or Las Venturas?

 

 

IMO the flood thing is more or less just a nod to the fact that LC was also supposed to be a partial state like GTAV, but they didn't have the time and just surrounded it with water instead. Besides, that would still be monumentally different from creating something completely new. And the point would be that R* have said they want to make use of their old stuff for GTA: Online, and that's what LC would be. SF & LV simply aren't comming to Online in any form other than with an entirely new Main Title GTA game. I just don't know what else to tell you because hoping for and/or believing that SF or LV are comming to GTA online as DLC is just insane and/or naive.

Edited February 25, 2016 by reform

[eyman]

Just like real life where a majority of the population live in the city compared to a desert.

 

The Human race prefer the city because of its resources. This shouldn't be hard to understand

Same goes for GTA

[LeeH1989]

Im glad more people are chiming in saying LV N SF wont come as an expansion and wont be connected to the map, and will need a loading screen separate server, ive been saying it for awhile, guess some people like to believe their own sh*t..

[SickBoy]

One thing's for sure, if there were a few 10 car garages/properties out in Blaine County, and wildlife in the hills and forests, you'd get a lot more people out in the country.

 

 

But between bringing Liberty City up to date and the storm that hit it, supposedly rendering some locations severely flooded and completely changing the boundaries and landmasses, it wouldn't be *much* more different than creating a new map, not to mention, whats the point of adding an expansion to the other side of the country, as opposed to the locations that were in the original San Andreas such as San Fierro or Las Venturas?

 

 

IMO the flood thing is more or less just a nod to the fact that LC was also supposed to be a partial state like GTAV, but they didn't have the time and just surrounded it with water instead. Besides, that would still be monumentally different from creating something completely new. And the point would be that R* have said they want to make use of their old stuff for GTA: Online, and that's what LC would be. SF & LV simply aren't comming to Online in any form other than with an entirely new Main Title GTA game. I just don't know what else to tell you because hoping for and/or believing that SF or LV are comming to GTA online as DLC is just insane and/or naive.

I never once claimed to be hoping for/believe that either SF or LV were coming to online, personally i don't particularly believe LC is coming. I was simply saying, between Los Santos' proximity to SF and LV as compared to LC, it'd make a great deal more sense that if there was to be an extension/expansion to the online world, those would be the more logical choice, instead of the host location for the last game, a city literally the other side of the country.

 

And before you jump in again with "but they only have to update LC like they did to LS for current gen", IF Online were to get any map expansion, there would surely be more to follow than just add one location then save the rest for the next title, as seen from previous screenshots of R* Newswire, so either way, it's neither "insane" nor "naive" to think that they would eventually be added as well, if not before LC. Again, that is *IF* Online gets an extension to its world map.

Edited February 25, 2016 by ScottishPunk

[AUScowboy]

I'd take any map, even LC. Wouldn't be the best location for races though, way too many grid patterned streets. We could make it happen though, gtao's racing community is up to that task imo.

[LeeH1989]

I'd take any map, even LC. Wouldn't be the best location for races though, way too many grid patterned streets. We could make it happen though, gtao's racing community is up to that task imo.

Dont do them on the grid street's.... Theres plenty of other decent roads, long winding whatever really, some people like tight circuits so they'd be a variation..

[Nick930930]

 

You guys are looking at this map expansion the wrong way. The ps3/Xbox already reached their "memory capacity" a few updates ago. A full map expansion within the same instance of Los Santos just isn't possible. The ps4/xboxone already can barely handle Los Santos and are locked at 30fps. Assuming they added liberty city as an island nearby, it would require at least 25 to 50% more cpu power to render those long distance static objects alone. Also to keep track of players online with the extended map distance would require even more power.

 

If we ever get a map expansion, it will absolutely require a loading screen. You'll be able to choose which map you'd like to play on and they'd be two totally seperate areas. You'll still be able to call the mechanic and have him deliver cars, but liberty city would have brand new properties to purchase, potentially allowing players to have 3 more garages.(I say 3 because Liberty city is less than half the size of San andreas)

 

The yachts will also spawn in around liberty city just like they do in San andreas.

 

 

NOrth Yankton will absolutely never happen. It's too small and the only completed areas are areas designed specifically for the single player missions. North Yankton would need to be tripled in size in order for it to accommodate players, apartments, deathmatches, races, etc.

 

 

Liberty City is the only map I suspect we may see. I personally would rather a large map of Las ventura and surrounding areas in a large single player expansion instead. But that seems unlikely considering the dwindling player count of gtav.

Dwindling? According to R* and take two, gta online has only gained players... This Christmas was the busiest time ever for the game...

You're kidding right? You seriously think this game has more current players than a few months ago? The pc version has lost thousands of players over the past few months

[bloatedsack]

Only people who judge anything by PC numbers are too busy smelling their own farts to count anyways.

 

PS4 has been as active as ever. I consistently end up in public lobbies with 20-26 people in them during prime time. Judging by the fact that other than the occasional outlier sale this game still sells for full price 2.5 years after it was released, I hardly consider it to be waning in popularity one bit.

 

You won't get a map expansion w/o an additional GTA V or GTA VI title. Period. You won't be going there online unless you buy the title, either. You also won't see one until sales actually do start to wane, which they're not.

Edited February 25, 2016 by gfen

[Nick930930]

Are people already claiming the Xbone/PS4 are too weak to handle an expansion? Do you know how utterly stupid and how unbelievably bullsh*t that sounds? LOL Give me a break!

You are beyond delusional if you think ps4/xboxone are handling Gtav well right now. Of course they're too weak to handle an expansion. They can't even handle what's on the disc now. Don't get me wrong, I love my ps4... but I'm no idiot. It's a console and therefore is on cheaper hardware in order to sell to a larger audience.

Only people who judge anything by PC numbers are too busy smelling their own farts to count anyways.

 

PS4 has been as active as ever. I consistently end up in public lobbies with 20-26 people in them during prime time. Judging by the fact that other than the occasional outlier sale this game still sells for full price 2.5 years after it was released, I hardly consider it to be waning in popularity one bit.

That's great that you think the game is Uber popular, but here's a reality check. The actual player numbers of a game post release are consistently going down for any game. Gtav has been out for over a year on ps4, the player count is only getting lower. Are people buying it? Definetly! But are the original owners still playing? Not nearly as many as you seem to think

[LeAuxChord]

Mclaren 570GT...And a color wheel addition for painting.

[Hunter]

I just had a nightmare that Rockstar made the Rhino tank cost 0 $ for a limited time.

Hold me, GTAF.

 

And added some other tank types, but only in adversary modes, though.

Mmmm, that sounds lovely. Tanks all over the place, like the good old days. The age old battle of tank vs aircraft could resume.

 

 

You guys are looking at this map expansion the wrong way. The ps3/Xbox already reached their "memory capacity" a few updates ago. A full map expansion within the same instance of Los Santos just isn't possible. The ps4/xboxone already can barely handle Los Santos and are locked at 30fps. Assuming they added liberty city as an island nearby, it would require at least 25 to 50% more cpu power to render those long distance static objects alone. Also to keep track of players online with the extended map distance would require even more power.

 

If we ever get a map expansion, it will absolutely require a loading screen. You'll be able to choose which map you'd like to play on and they'd be two totally seperate areas. You'll still be able to call the mechanic and have him deliver cars, but liberty city would have brand new properties to purchase, potentially allowing players to have 3 more garages.(I say 3 because Liberty city is less than half the size of San andreas)

 

The yachts will also spawn in around liberty city just like they do in San andreas.

 

 

NOrth Yankton will absolutely never happen. It's too small and the only completed areas are areas designed specifically for the single player missions. North Yankton would need to be tripled in size in order for it to accommodate players, apartments, deathmatches, races, etc.

 

 

Liberty City is the only map I suspect we may see. I personally would rather a large map of Las ventura and surrounding areas in a large single player expansion instead. But that seems unlikely considering the dwindling player count of gtav.

What about with cloud computing then? I'm not sure exactly how much they can do with that, and I don't think they are to be honest either, but it might work. I heard Crackdown 3 uses it.

[CarimboHanky]

You're kidding right? You seriously think this game has more current players than a few months ago? The pc version has lost thousands of players over the past few months

show me stats!!!

 

im sure the thousands of players the pc version have lost was due to the banhammer droppin 20years for cheating haha

Edited February 25, 2016 by CarimboHanky

[Irish45455]

Imagine this... Las Venturas and San Fierro are for the next GTA, and the protagonist(s) have connections in LS, and when the game comes out, it would have it's own piece of the map that you can transfer your character too, and then you have LS, LV and SF on one map. I don't really see how Liberty City would play into the non story of Online... Unless it has something to do with Franklin's brother in LC.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Irish45455

[Richard Power Colt]

 

 

You guys are looking at this map expansion the wrong way. The ps3/Xbox already reached their "memory capacity" a few updates ago. A full map expansion within the same instance of Los Santos just isn't possible. The ps4/xboxone already can barely handle Los Santos and are locked at 30fps. Assuming they added liberty city as an island nearby, it would require at least 25 to 50% more cpu power to render those long distance static objects alone. Also to keep track of players online with the extended map distance would require even more power.

 

If we ever get a map expansion, it will absolutely require a loading screen. You'll be able to choose which map you'd like to play on and they'd be two totally seperate areas. You'll still be able to call the mechanic and have him deliver cars, but liberty city would have brand new properties to purchase, potentially allowing players to have 3 more garages.(I say 3 because Liberty city is less than half the size of San andreas)

 

The yachts will also spawn in around liberty city just like they do in San andreas.

 

 

NOrth Yankton will absolutely never happen. It's too small and the only completed areas are areas designed specifically for the single player missions. North Yankton would need to be tripled in size in order for it to accommodate players, apartments, deathmatches, races, etc.

 

 

Liberty City is the only map I suspect we may see. I personally would rather a large map of Las ventura and surrounding areas in a large single player expansion instead. But that seems unlikely considering the dwindling player count of gtav.

Dwindling? According to R* and take two, gta online has only gained players... This Christmas was the busiest time ever for the game...

You're kidding right? You seriously think this game has more current players than a few months ago? The pc version has lost thousands of players over the past few months

 

We haven't had a proper update since a few months and the game is still among the top 10 most played games on Steam. Iirc Take-two reported that they had their most profitable week somewhere around E&OC. The game's player-base can keep going up if they just deliver the right content, I'm not saying though that there will be a map expansion. I'm pretty skeptical about that myself. I think it kinda depends on how things go with GTA VI and how it connects with the current GTA Online etc.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Nutsack McQueen

[CarimboHanky]

...I don't really see how Liberty City would play into the non story of Online...

our characters arrive to los santos at the beginning of gtao... from where are we coming from... maybe from liberty city!

[JoeFury1997]

Maybe our characters were in trouble with the mob or something in Liberty city so they decided to move to Los Santos for a while, I dunno.

[eyman]

GTA online doesn't have a core story. But it makes me wonder when they said gta online is constantly evolving could they have meant the years (probably not they were talking about the content). But still if I didnt know any better I would have thought gta online was set in 2016...

I'm betting $8m (GTA$ ofcourse) that Red dead's online will have a very similar layout to GTA online but we will buy horses or ford model Ts instead of Kurumas

 

[CarimboHanky]

Maybe our characters were in trouble with the mob or something in Liberty city so they decided to move to Los Santos for a while, I dunno.

the fact gtao have no story and our characters arrive in los santos from unknown location, this give R* the freedom to spin things as they please.

[Shaundi.]

I'm no idiot.

Of course they're too weak to handle an expansion.

Whatever you say, hahaha.

[Alvarez]

 

I just had a nightmare that Rockstar made the Rhino tank cost 0 $ for a limited time.

Hold me, GTAF.

 

And added some other tank types, but only in adversary modes, though.

 

Thats OK, a flare gun can practically tear through it nowadays in free mode.

 

*cue muffled screams inside the tank*

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

Are people already claiming the Xbone/PS4 are too weak to handle an expansion? Do you know how utterly stupid and how unbelievably bullsh*t that sounds? LOL Give me a break!

You are beyond delusional if you think ps4/xboxone are handling Gtav well right now. Of course they're too weak to handle an expansion. They can't even handle what's on the disc now. Don't get me wrong, I love my ps4... but I'm no idiot. It's a console and therefore is on cheaper hardware in order to sell to a larger audience.

No. You're delusional. The game runs like sh*t because the servers are crap and the game, although well polished, isn't really, well, smooth.

 

If you think V is pushing Xbone/PS4 to their limits, then I MUST know who you're purchasing your weed from because I want some of that sh*t.

[Retroview1955]

Map expansion ain't happening until and if they fix the servers. I believe Rockstar has no intentions on fixing the servers. Why would they put money into the connectivity technologies if the service is already making them a ton of money? They are thinking "it must not be that bad because people are steady joining and playing."

Edited February 25, 2016 by Retroview1955

[theNGclan]

You guys are looking at this map expansion the wrong way. The ps3/Xbox already reached their "memory capacity" a few updates ago. A full map expansion within the same instance of Los Santos just isn't possible. The ps4/xboxone already can barely handle Los Santos and are locked at 30fps. Assuming they added liberty city as an island nearby, it would require at least 25 to 50% more cpu power to render those long distance static objects alone. Also to keep track of players online with the extended map distance would require even more power.

 

If we ever get a map expansion, it will absolutely require a loading screen. You'll be able to choose which map you'd like to play on and they'd be two totally seperate areas. You'll still be able to call the mechanic and have him deliver cars, but liberty city would have brand new properties to purchase, potentially allowing players to have 3 more garages.(I say 3 because Liberty city is less than half the size of San andreas)

 

The yachts will also spawn in around liberty city just like they do in San andreas.

 

 

NOrth Yankton will absolutely never happen. It's too small and the only completed areas are areas designed specifically for the single player missions. North Yankton would need to be tripled in size in order for it to accommodate players, apartments, deathmatches, races, etc.

 

 

Liberty City is the only map I suspect we may see. I personally would rather a large map of Las ventura and surrounding areas in a large single player expansion instead. But that seems unlikely considering the dwindling player count of gtav.

I gotta pick apart this argument juuuust a bit.

 

1. The reason the Xbone/PS4 versions of GTA V run at 30fps is because 60fps was a gimicky selling point for PC.
2. A new map expansion does not mean we would require a full-on loading screen. You can force-load the GTA Online map in SP via mods and you get a very short map swapping screen. GTA Online uses a different map than Singleplayer. The GTA V / Online map manager is very versatile and can handle a lot, and would definitely be able to support another map.
3. Liberty City is just as likely as Las Ventura, or San Fierro, or Carcer City, or Vice City. We simply don't know, but we can be pretty sure North Yankton isn't coming.

Edited February 25, 2016 by theNGclan

[Hunter]

Map expansion ain't happening until and if they fix the servers.

Well that just deflates my balloon.

 

Or makes my engine fail, or whatever helicopter metaphor I can come up with.

[Retroview1955]

 

You guys are looking at this map expansion the wrong way. The ps3/Xbox already reached their "memory capacity" a few updates ago. A full map expansion within the same instance of Los Santos just isn't possible. The ps4/xboxone already can barely handle Los Santos and are locked at 30fps. Assuming they added liberty city as an island nearby, it would require at least 25 to 50% more cpu power to render those long distance static objects alone. Also to keep track of players online with the extended map distance would require even more power.

 

If we ever get a map expansion, it will absolutely require a loading screen. You'll be able to choose which map you'd like to play on and they'd be two totally seperate areas. You'll still be able to call the mechanic and have him deliver cars, but liberty city would have brand new properties to purchase, potentially allowing players to have 3 more garages.(I say 3 because Liberty city is less than half the size of San andreas)

 

The yachts will also spawn in around liberty city just like they do in San andreas.

 

 

NOrth Yankton will absolutely never happen. It's too small and the only completed areas are areas designed specifically for the single player missions. North Yankton would need to be tripled in size in order for it to accommodate players, apartments, deathmatches, races, etc.

 

 

Liberty City is the only map I suspect we may see. I personally would rather a large map of Las ventura and surrounding areas in a large single player expansion instead. But that seems unlikely considering the dwindling player count of gtav.

I gotta pick apart this argument juuuust a bit.

 

• The reason the Xbone/PS4 versions of GTA V run at 30fps is because 60fps was a gimicky selling point for PC.
• A new map expansion does not mean we would require a full-on loading screen. You can force-load the GTA Online map in SP via mods and you get a very short map swapping screen. GTA Online uses a different map than Singleplayer. The GTA V / Online map manager is very versatile and can handle a lot, and would definitely be able to support another map.
• Liberty City is just as likely as Las Ventura, or San Fierro, or Carcer City, or Vice City. We simply don't know, but we can be pretty sure North Yankton isn't coming.

I have a problem with point #2. What evidence do you have to support this hypothesis?

[Richard Power Colt]

 

You guys are looking at this map expansion the wrong way. The ps3/Xbox already reached their "memory capacity" a few updates ago. A full map expansion within the same instance of Los Santos just isn't possible. The ps4/xboxone already can barely handle Los Santos and are locked at 30fps. Assuming they added liberty city as an island nearby, it would require at least 25 to 50% more cpu power to render those long distance static objects alone. Also to keep track of players online with the extended map distance would require even more power.

 

If we ever get a map expansion, it will absolutely require a loading screen. You'll be able to choose which map you'd like to play on and they'd be two totally seperate areas. You'll still be able to call the mechanic and have him deliver cars, but liberty city would have brand new properties to purchase, potentially allowing players to have 3 more garages.(I say 3 because Liberty city is less than half the size of San andreas)

 

The yachts will also spawn in around liberty city just like they do in San andreas.

 

 

NOrth Yankton will absolutely never happen. It's too small and the only completed areas are areas designed specifically for the single player missions. North Yankton would need to be tripled in size in order for it to accommodate players, apartments, deathmatches, races, etc.

 

 

Liberty City is the only map I suspect we may see. I personally would rather a large map of Las ventura and surrounding areas in a large single player expansion instead. But that seems unlikely considering the dwindling player count of gtav.

I gotta pick apart this argument juuuust a bit.

 

1. The reason the Xbone/PS4 versions of GTA V run at 30fps is because 60fps was a gimicky selling point for PC.
2. A new map expansion does not mean we would require a full-on loading screen. You can force-load the GTA Online map in SP via mods and you get a very short map swapping screen. GTA Online uses a different map than Singleplayer. The GTA V / Online map manager is very versatile and can handle a lot, and would definitely be able to support another map.
3. Liberty City is just as likely as Las Ventura, or San Fierro, or Carcer City, or Vice City. We simply don't know, but we can be pretty sure North Yankton isn't coming.

 

I wouldn't really call 60 fps a gimmick...

[theNGclan]

Rockstar marketed the PC version of GTA V with the abtility to play at 60fps. That is a selling gimick. The current generation of consoles have more than enough hardware to play at a solid 60fps, especially considering they have static hardware, meaning the games are designed specifically for that combination of hardware and the operating system the console uses.

 

As for the negation to my second reason. Play the PC version with mods, load the Online map. You'll notice it doesn't take long at all to swap the map. You can test it without mods, too. Switch to a private online session from SP. Count how long it takes from the clouds-screen to when the clouds/time start changing. Between the cloud-screen initialization and scene changing, the screen should flash black once. The black screen flashes black because the mapmanager swapped the map.

 

Source: Actually took the time to dissect the game.

Edited February 25, 2016 by theNGclan