Why do people hate jets?

[LSPDOfficerJohnson]

Just realized I never gave a legitimate response to this thread.

 

Why do I hate jets? For a very simple reason. Usually, the individual flying the jet has ruined an objective of mine that had nothing to do with PvP, causing annoyance and inconvenience to me. A prime example is driving your car around town. If I have not shot you or made any attempts to PvP you, why shoot me? This is the sole reason I hate jets.

Edited April 1, 2016 by LSPDOfficerJohnson

[Nutduster]

 

 

Exactly, that's my entire point. It's not about the game I want to play, or you want to play. It's about the game that's created when I play my way AND you play yours...

 

You know what? As much as I'm enjoying all of the back and forth in here, I'll concede that point. That one is hard to argue with. Now, whether or not R* should take action to balance the experience so that one plays style doesn't completely dominate another is another discussion entirely.

 

"egregiously unbalanced, overpowered 'tool'". To quote the dude, that's just like your opinion man.

 

Most who say this don't have the skill to combat a jet and don't want to be bothered to learn it. I used to think as you did until I watched an expert make a fool out of this jet guy (who prior to that, the jet guy was raking the board pretty good). This guy killed jet guy six times in a span of about 30 minutes until jet guy left the board.

 

I guess it's easier to just cry foul than to get good at the game.

I think that you're misunderstanding me. I've put down plenty jets. I don't run from them. But there's no denying that they're easily the most powerful weapon in the game, and that there's not really a reliable answer to the game ATM. I'm not asking that they be removed from the game or that people stop using them. I just want balance. A nice paper, rock, scissors level of balance.

 

 

That's it in a nutshell.

 

I think it's so funny reading some of the (usually obnoxious) replies to threads like this. "Git gud," etc. That contingent needs to start analyzing the issue critically instead of just assuming motives on the part of those of us who don't like jets, or think they're unbalanced. Speaking only for myself, I'm good in a jet (get many more kills than I am killed by them); I like flying them around (they're fast and powerful, what's not to like? I even fly them in empty lobbies just to zip in between buildings downtown); and when a jet kills me, I don't cry about it - I just do what is necessary to kill that guy (usually a few times). I am pretty certainly in the top 5 or 10% of players at fighting and surviving against jet attackers - not one of those YouTube RPG montage guys, but I hold my own, much more than the Average Clyde.

 

None of which has ANY BEARING AT ALL on what I think about jets' impact on the game as a whole. Like ninja just said, the rock-paper-scissors balance is what I crave, and what I think makes a game good. If rock smashes both scissors and paper, and all you can do is throw rock and get tied up in an eternal stalemate - you just took an interesting game and made it sh*tty and one-dimensional. That's the jet in a nutshell.

 

Don't make pilots play on the ground - just give the ground guys a better shot at killing jets, or staying alive while they're being attacked. I'd settle for either, but really, it should be both.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Nutduster

[BigStickMama]

Jet's are too hard to deal with for as easy as they are to spam.

 

You should have to go steal them out of the military base like you used to have to prior to Heists update.

 

All this "lol it's easy to kill jets" bullsh*t has a point, you can take a jet out. But it's not easy, and it's easy as hell to kill people in a jet, and virtually impossible to get away from one, save for passive mode. Nobody gives a hoot about your k/d's which generally come from farming kills on bad players, nobody is gonna pull +3k/d against decent players, on relatively even footing network wise; without basically being an asshole abusing wall-breaches and jets.

 

It's in the game, so I'm not really gonna fault anyone for using it. I exploit whatever I can within the game itself. But I generally only try and grief people I see grief others. And all said and done, if you don't want to get killed by someone just go passive. inb4 someone like xXx_z1_Marksman_Gawd_1z_xXx#420pt!kz feels the need to post that you're all fags if you go passive, and just 'git gud'.

 

Any decent player in a jet is going to be able to easily avoid homing missiles pretty much all day, once you're at speed you simple barrel and hold the aileron down and it'll just trail and blow up behind you. If anyone is seriously trying to suggest than an RPG is a good way to deal with an incoming Hydra, you're an idiot. Heavy snipers work for taking them out, eventually, it's not a quick or safe process; as someone else can simply kill you while you're trying to snipe. Don't forget home boy will be able to call in his next jet, fly over to it, bail, and hop back in a fresh one; switching in and then out of passive. While you flounder on having the damage output to really stunt his havoc. The minigun has limited range, and if you can hit the jet with that, the jet can hit you with cannons, and one of those is a much more destructive weapon than the other, OMGRLLY?.

 

They shouldn't nerf the jets (Lazer/Hydra) in terms of performance, because then nobody would use them over a helicopter. Which griefs pretty damn well too, and is basically countered by homing missiles. They should just make them less freely available. I don't think calling Pegasus and getting a Hydra ever 2 minutes or whatever the cooldown on that is, is sensible. Especially since the 3mil pricetag on it is basically pointless with money being a joke on PC.

Edited April 1, 2016 by CarpenterBrut

[YaDoesntHaveToCallMeRay]

There are how many options in "combating" or "dealing with Jets in GTAO?

 

Let's just list some!.........in no particular order of importance.

 

1. Go passive.

 

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

 

3. Go to a Invite only lobby.

 

4. Go to a friends only lobby.

 

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby.

 

6. Go to a Solo lobby.

 

There are more options, but with differing degrees of effectiveness.

 

Now, with all those options, why do you guys feel that R* must change some aspect of Jets as a whole in this game, be it nerfing the jet or making the homing missile better?

 

Could it be that it interferes with your own type of killing other players?

 

You don't want to be bothered by someone else when you are doing what you accuse other of doing.

 

You say, "Oh no! That's not the reason!"

 

Then tell us. What CAN you freely do with no interference in free roam without jets in the mix?

 

Can you hold a car show and not be in passive?

 

Can you just drive around?

 

Can you just goof off with friends?

 

Can you have friends on your yacht and in the hot tub without air defenses on?

 

WHAT?

 

I guess we'll see who deserves this name tag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hunter]

There are how many options in "combating" or "dealing with Jets in GTAO?

 

Let's just list some!.........in no particular order of importance.

 

1. Go passive.

 

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

 

3. Go to a Invite only lobby.

 

4. Go to a friends only lobby.

 

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby.

 

6. Go to a Solo lobby.

1. Go passive.

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

3. Go to a Invite only lobby. That's not a way of fighting a jet; that's avoiding a player in a jet.

4. Go to a friends only lobby. See No.4.

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby. See No.4/5.

6. Go to a Solo lobby. See No.4/5/6.

For one thing, there are actually other ways of fighting jets. For example, you can hole up somewhere and snipe, etc.

That's irrelevant though. Just because something can be technically managed, that doesn't mean it's balanced. I've beaten a Lazer with a Cargobob before - would you say the Cargobob is as dangerous as a Lazer?

My personal feeling is that the homing launcher should absolutely not be buffed (if anything, it needs nerfing), but the jet should be made fast enough that aiming is more difficult. Just like a real jet:

Can you imagine the jet in that gif having enough control to be able to spot a single person on the ground and accurately dive bomb them? I can't.

Failing that, a slower rate of fire on the cannon, or simply some more vehicles/weapons to fight them with.

I don't really care if anyone says I'm whining - I can use every vehicle in the game, and beat all of them too. It's irrelevant. My virtual penis has no bearing on this discussion.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[YaDoesntHaveToCallMeRay]

 

There are how many options in "combating" or "dealing with Jets in GTAO?

 

Let's just list some!.........in no particular order of importance.

 

1. Go passive.

 

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

 

3. Go to a Invite only lobby.

 

4. Go to a friends only lobby.

 

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby.

 

6. Go to a Solo lobby.

1. Go passive.

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

3. Go to a Invite only lobby. That's not a way of fighting a jet; that's avoiding a player in a jet.

4. Go to a friends only lobby. See No.4.

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby. See No.4/5.

6. Go to a Solo lobby. See No.4/5/6.

For one thing, there are actually other ways of fighting jets. For example, you can hole up somewhere and snipe, etc.

That's irrelevant though. Just because something can be technically managed, that doesn't mean it's balanced. I've beaten a Lazer with a Cargobob before - would you say the Cargobob is as dangerous as a Lazer?

My personal feeling is that the homing launcher should absolutely not be buffed (if anything, it needs nerfing), but the jet should be made fast enough that aiming is more difficult. Just like a real jet:

Can you imagine the jet in that gif having enough control to be able to spot a single person on the ground and accurately dive bomb them? I can't.

Failing that, a slower rate of fire on the cannon, or simply some more vehicles/weapons to fight them with.

I don't really care if anyone says I'm whining - I can use every vehicle in the game, and beat all of them too. It's irrelevant. My virtual penis has no bearing on this discussion.

 

Did you miss the "dealing with" part?

[Hunter]

 

 

 

Did you miss the "dealing with" part?

 

"Dealing with" has no relevance here. Anything can be "dealt with" using such vague solutions as turning it off/solo sessions. Completely irrelevant.

 

No one's debating whether or not jets can be dealt with; it's whether or not they're balanced.

 

For example: you can deal with a modder by leaving the session - that doesn't mean you'd defend said modder being there in the first place.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[shadowoperative]

I would be down for the jet flying that fast. Since the game can't render objects at that speed the sky squeaker would crash into large building/mountain in no time.

[We Are Ninja]

For example: you can deal with a modder by leaving the session - that doesn't mean you'd defend said modder being there in the first place.

I dunno; technically a modder is using the tools at his disposal, which, arguably, makes everything he does perfectly acceptable. I mean, that's the way he chooses to play the game...

[Hunter]

Making jets quick would also mean tanks would have some vague chance of making it 10/15ft without getting dive bombed. Actually, it would probably put a stop to most dive bombing as a whole, which would immediately even things up.

 

People say "oh it's a jet; it's meant to be powerful!". That's true, but it's also meant to be fast. Really, really fast.

 

It would be a hell of a lot harder to spot someone and pick them off if you were going even twice the speed jets do now (let alone 700mph like a real Harrier). It'd also end dive bombing - something jets can use to f**k over pretty much every other type of player, regardless of whether they're on foot or in a vehicle.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Icantthinkofonew

[Furry_Monkey]

I think we need to have a solid answer for this so we can put it to bed. Can someone post a link for the rules of free roam please. I'll study them in fine detail to come to an unbiased and fact based decision.

[Hunter]

I think we need to have a solid answer for this so we can put it to bed. Can someone post a link for the rules of free roam please. I'll study them in fine detail to come to an unbiased and fact based decision.

It's evolved from "why do people hate jets?" to "are jets balanced?".

 

For the actual original topic though, I'd say this:

 

Some people hate jets because they're a bit overpowered, and some people use them to harass others needlessly.

[thedrunkestpeasant]

 

Oh wait... sorry. That's the ten commandments. Couldn't find any. Still looking though.

 

Update: I've failed my search.

Edited April 1, 2016 by thedrunkestpeasant

[YaDoesntHaveToCallMeRay]

I think we need to have a solid answer for this so we can put it to bed. Can someone post a link for the rules of free roam please. I'll study them in fine detail to come to an unbiased and fact based decision.

 

 

 

 

 

Did you miss the "dealing with" part?

 

"Dealing with" has no relevance here. Anything can be "dealt with" using such vague solutions as turning it off/solo sessions. Completely irrelevant.

 

No one's debating whether or not jets can be dealt with; it's whether or not they're balanced.

 

For example: you can deal with a modder by leaving the session - that doesn't mean you'd defend said modder being there in the first place.

So It's morphed into a balancing thingy now?

 

Oh wait... sorry. That's the ten commandments. Couldn't find any. Still looking though.

Slacker!

[Stoneman420]

People hate jets because they don't understand that GTA public lobbies have ALWAYS been about trolling, griefing and killing other players. Anyone who played GTA IV online FREE MODE quickly realised that ALL THAT EVER HAPPENNED was that people killed each other endlessly down by the airport using Annhilators & Buzzards. Now, in GTAO, jets are the go-to killing machine and endless killing, griefing and spawn killing is occuring in lobbies the world over with IT and folks are angry because they believed that GTA ONLINE PUBLIC FREE MODE SESSIONS had more to offer than mindless spawn killing. But they Don't. It's not always me. Maybe it's never you. BUT SOMEONE. SOMEWHERE. ALWAYS kills other players for no apparent reason using the most upperhanded tactic possible. And you can't avoid it. Unless you play in private sessions or go passive as other players approach.

 

I love jets. Flying them and killing with them is always fun, but when other players approach me in jets in free roam, I think; Do I want to try and kill this player and accept dying? OR; Do I definitely not want to die? In which case; homing launcher/sniper/minigun/another jet/buzzard/cover/get out of vehicle OR; go passive/get out of vehicle/take cover/leave session are my/your respective options.

[shadowoperative]

The only rule is fight with honor.

 

If you don't know what that is I can't help now.

[teagle]

The only rule is fight with honor.

 

If you don't know what that is I can't help now.

I play by 3 rules.

 

Edited April 1, 2016 by teagle

[Furry_Monkey]

The only rule is fight with honor.

 

If you don't know what that is I can't help now.

 

Does that include telling people you've been "nuts deep in your mum"? (That's a direct quote)

 

You, little boy, do not know the meaning of the word honour. If that is indeed "the only rule" then you failed miserably a long time ago.

[Hunter]

 

The only rule is fight with honor.

 

If you don't know what that is I can't help now.

 

Does that include telling people you've been "nuts deep in your mum"? (That's a direct quote)

 

You, little boy, do not know the meaning of the word honour. If that is indeed "the only rule" then you failed miserably a long time ago.

 

He doesn't know the meaning of the word fight either. Seems to think it has something to do with running to his yacht in passive mode.

 

He's just cannon fodder for jets, Savages, and whatever other vehicles lurk around lol.

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

The only rule is fight with honor.

 

If you don't know what that is I can't help now.

 

Does that include telling people you've been "nuts deep in your mum"? (That's a direct quote)

 

You, little boy, do not know the meaning of the word honour. If that is indeed "the only rule" then you failed miserably a long time ago.

 

He doesn't know the meaning of the word fight either. Seems to think it has something to do with running to his yacht in passive mode.

 

He's just cannon fodder for jets, Savages, and whatever other vehicles lurk around lol.

 

 

Very true. Luckily though, he doesn't care what anyone thinks so stating these facts won't even require rebuttal on his part. It must be so easy being so free from fear and insecurity.

[shadowoperative]

It is. Not fodder either...as you can tell I ain't afraid to go passive when a sky squeaker appears.

[Furry_Monkey]

It is. Not fodder either...as you can tell I ain't afraid to go passive when a sky squeaker appears.

 

You do not fight with honour. You run with fear and then get your childish fingers to the job of trash talking. It really is pathetic.

 

Why not fight someone from here to prove yourself to us all, once and for all. Many people have offered but you've never done it. Show us this warrior that you claim to be.

[shadowoperative]

I'll take you all to school with guns and knives...

 

Deadpool.

[Furry_Monkey]

I'll take you all to school with guns and knives...

 

Deadpool.

 

Avoiding answering the question will not make it go away. Just answer it - show us how you don't care what we think and refuse, or man up (you're not capable) and actually go through with it for once.

[Hunter]

Apparently, non - explosive round Annihilators used to spawn kill him.

 

Not surprised he doesn't want to take up any offers now.

[DrSweatySphincter]

 

There are how many options in "combating" or "dealing with Jets in GTAO?

 

Let's just list some!.........in no particular order of importance.

 

1. Go passive.

 

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

 

3. Go to a Invite only lobby.

 

4. Go to a friends only lobby.

 

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby.

 

6. Go to a Solo lobby.

1. Go passive.

2. Go get your own jet and destroy them.

3. Go to a Invite only lobby. That's not a way of fighting a jet; that's avoiding a player in a jet.

4. Go to a friends only lobby. See No.4.

5. Go to a closed Crew lobby. See No.4/5.

6. Go to a Solo lobby. See No.4/5/6.

For one thing, there are actually other ways of fighting jets. For example, you can hole up somewhere and snipe, etc.

That's irrelevant though. Just because something can be technically managed, that doesn't mean it's balanced. I've beaten a Lazer with a Cargobob before - would you say the Cargobob is as dangerous as a Lazer?

My personal feeling is that the homing launcher should absolutely not be buffed (if anything, it needs nerfing), but the jet should be made fast enough that aiming is more difficult. Just like a real jet:

holy sh*t that was cool. the original video?

[The Retaliator]

fight with honor.

 

 

 

Error 404: Words not found in Jet griefer databanks.

[R3CON]

In my opinion, the Hydra's introduction to the game as a Pegasus spawn is what really soured the pot for jets.

 

There was a thread a couple weeks back that questioned why the tank was nerfed and the jet was not. The Tank was a Pegasus spawn and not just something locked behind the walls of Zancudo. Thus it became the de rigueur griefer machine. Players complained this made the game imbalanced. Rockstar's response: nerf.

 

Now the Lazer has been in the game since Day One. It wasn't added in some random DLC, nor was it some feature Rockstar never intended on including. But the Lazer was never available from Pegasus. Sure if you were so inclined you could call creepy uncle Lester, but you still had to drive your ass all the way to Zancudo. Get shot down and the parade ends, at least for the time being.

 

Fast-forward to November 2014, next-gen GTA launches. New Passive Mode provides players with invincibility in all vehicles. This includes armed aircraft.

 

Heists debuts in March 2015. Another fighter jet is added to the game. The Hydra becomes the first/only armed fighter jet we can purchase from Pegasus.

 

THIS is what changed the game. Now you don't need to drive all the way to Zancudo. You don't need to hop fences or steal choppers. You don't even need to call Lester. Now you can call for a new jet, at will, endlessly from choice locations all over the map. City, country, coastline, doesn't matter. You don't even need a runway! The Hydra is available anytime, anywhere. Get shot down? So what? Just call another.

 

Despite the fact that the Lazer's been in the game since Day One. Despite the fact that the Lazer is more maneuverable and easier for novices to fly, it was the Hydra that pushed Rockstar to take action. Rockstar's response: Homing Launcher.

 

Long story short. It backfired. The HL is effective against everything except jets. Here we are today, page 16 of yet another jet thread.

 

Now at this point, post-Hydra, I think a sizeable portion of the GTA community has gotten used to the idea of having jets on command. More people use jets, more often. They're now one of the most polarizing aspects of the game. Everyone with a IP address has an idea of how to solve the jet problem.

 

Mine is to lock the Hydra at Zancudo. But after the fact...I'll concede, I'm not sure how big the drop off in jet usage will be. It might not make a big difference, if any at all. But it's a start.

 

To answer the original post for this thread, why do people hate jets?

 

Because Pegasus. Because jets benefit from current gen's Passive Mode. Because the counter-alternative Rockstar created (the HL) isnt much of a counter-alternative at all.

Edited April 2, 2016 by ikaR3CON

[shadowoperative]

 

fight with honor.

 

 

Error 404: Words not found in Jet griefer databanks.

 

Exactly. They try to grief me...they try to troll me...in time they will learn that rhey cannot control me.

 

All true players hate jets.

[teagle]

All true players hate jets.

That's simply not true.