Why do people hate jets?

[l Marksman God l]

 

So fun seeing some jet haters trying to show good arguments, if u want to play and not being killed by a jet go play death matches...

You may actually be good at piloting, but trolling is simply not your forte...

 

Trolling? Just saying that the whinners in this thread should play tdm's since they can't take a down a jet.

[XenoxX]

 

 

So fun seeing some jet haters trying to show good arguments, if u want to play and not being killed by a jet go play death matches...

You may actually be good at piloting, but trolling is simply not your forte...

 

Trolling? Just saying that the whinners in this thread should play tdm's since they can't take a down a jet.

 

Thats a ridicouless argument.

 

While I personally did not experience any major trouble with Jets, a lot of users here have very clearly described why Jets are a problem that cannot be countered.

 

In GTA Online a Tank can be countered by a RPG, a buzzard by a homing launcher,

However what is there to destroy Jets effectively?

As far as the people here are to be trusted a Jet can infinitely dodge the Homing launche rockets.

So the only counter to a Jet would be another jet...which is NO SOLUTION.

 

If you have an argument to add I would happily rethink my current stance.

[l Marksman God l]

RPG's, Miniguns and Heavy snipers.

[EvilPickle12]

Gonna go Xenoxx side, jets are a major problem to ground players, i try to act like a "Sky Guardian" unless someone tries to homing launcher me, that's when like I act like an azzhole, and yes, more jet griefers? More passive griefers as I'm decent at dofighting, also having marksman in your username tells me you're cheap and kill yourself when you get shot.

[shadowoperative]

The argument is rpgs...miniguns and the heavy sniper. Wait a few minutes and someone will post a video of them killing a friend in a jet to show you how legit it is.

[l Marksman God l]

Gonna go Xenoxx side, jets are a major problem to ground players, i try to act like a "Sky Guardian" unless someone tries to homing launcher me, that's when like I act like an azzhole, and yes, more jet griefers? More passive griefers as I'm decent at dofighting, also having marksman in your username tells me you're cheap and kill yourself when you get shot.

So every marksman player is a cheap player? Just like some here that say: "Every jet pilot don't play on ground" that's why i asked here for an AW 1v1 on Zancudo , which I haven't got an answer yet

[fear_the_nut70]

 

"I have issues with players utilizing the tools provided to them because I am a little bitch like that"

That's a silly argument. That's like me getting into my car and running over a bunch of people, then wondering why I'm being arrested. "The dealership provided me this tool. I was simply utilizing it for my own enjoyment. Don't blame me for being an asshole, blame the dealership for giving it to me."

 

If you play like an asshole, it's whatever. But at least own up to it.

 

 

Terrible analogy. The dealership provided the car to you so that you buy it tom to drive it from place to place, not to run people down. The jets were put into an urban warfare game armed AND allowed to be used in FM so jet people can do precisely what they are doing with them.

 

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but why someone is "playing like an asshole" because they are playing the game the way the developers intended is ridiculous.

Edited April 1, 2016 by fear_the_nut70

[We Are Ninja]

I was driving around the city and came across that parking lot your character posts up in with Lamar before your first race. I pull in, and take a moment to respond to this thread. When I look back at the screen, sure enough there's a jet passing overhead. For whatever reason, he took no interest in me. I proceed to sit in the lot and watch him do what jet griefers do. Strafing run after strafing run after strafing run...

 

Then it struck me how absolutely absurd it was. Here we have the absolute fastest vehicle in the game, capable of full 360 degrees movement, completely unfettered by the game's landscape, able to move into and out of ground weapons range at will. Flying high into the sky where it can't be touched by any of it's targets, then flying down at supersonic speeds, firing unlimited, rapid-fire, .50 caliber incendiary rounds literally blanketing the length and width of the street in fire, explosions, and the subsequent splash damage, then flying back out of range to become untouchable again...

 

That R* saw fit to include something that obscenely unbalanced dumbfounds me. That there are players that would gleefully go after players that they knew didn't really stand a chance doesn't surprise me. That these very same players would defend their actions so vehemently... doesn't really surprise me either, now that I think about it.

[EvilPickle12]

Asking for a 1-1 is the most childish thing you could say.

 

Almost all of the MR users are cheap, FP sniping, rocket-suicide, kill myself when shot, you know who you are.

[shadowoperative]

I was driving around the city and came across that parking lot your character posts up in with Lamar before your first race. I pull in, and take a moment to respond to this thread. When I look back at the screen, sure enough there's a jet passing overhead. For whatever reason, he took no interest in me. I proceed to sit in the lot and watch him do what jet griefers do. Strafing run after strafing run after strafing run...

 

Then it struck me how absolutely absurd it was. Here we have the absolute fastest vehicle in the game, capable of full 360 degrees movement, completely unfettered by the game's landscape, able to move into and out of ground weapons range at will. Flying high into the sky where it can't be touched by any of it's targets, then flying down at supersonic speeds, firing unlimited, rapid-fire, .50 caliber incendiary rounds literally blanketing the length and width of the street in fire, explosions, and the subsequent splash damage, then flying back out of range to become untouchable again...

 

That R* saw fit to include something that obscenely unbalanced dumbfounds me. That there are players that would gleefully go after players that they knew didn't really stand a chance doesn't surprise me. That these very same players would defend their actions so vehemently... doesn't really surprise me either, now that I think about it.

100% agree. All you can do is run...hide or get your own jet.

 

Neither choose is preferable.

[Hunter]

I was driving around the city and came across that parking lot your character posts up in with Lamar before your first race. I pull in, and take a moment to respond to this thread. When I look back at the screen, sure enough there's a jet passing overhead. For whatever reason, he took no interest in me. I proceed to sit in the lot and watch him do what jet griefers do. Strafing run after strafing run after strafing run...

 

Then it struck me how absolutely absurd it was. Here we have the absolute fastest vehicle in the game, capable of full 360 degrees movement, completely unfettered by the game's landscape, able to move into and out of ground weapons range at will. Flying high into the sky where it can't be touched by any of it's targets, then flying down at supersonic speeds, firing unlimited, rapid-fire, .50 caliber incendiary rounds literally blanketing the length and width of the street in fire, explosions, and the subsequent splash damage, then flying back out of range to become untouchable again...

 

That R* saw fit to include something that obscenely unbalanced dumbfounds me. That there are players that would gleefully go after players that they knew didn't really stand a chance doesn't surprise me. That these very same players would defend their actions so vehemently... doesn't really surprise me either, now that I think about it.

Of course jets were going to be included in the game. People missed them in GTA IV (and rightfully so, since they were in the much older GTA San Andreas).

 

But I think they could have done a better job making them more balanced.

 

Just making them faster would mean it wouldn't be so easy to pinpoint a person standing on the ground. Instead they don't go a fraction of the speed of a real jet, so it's fairly easy to pick people off. Fast jets could still bomb rough areas, but not with the same kind of accuracy.

 

Failing that, just slow down that cannon on the thing. At the very least, there should have been more vehicles capable of fighting them off.

 

But it's Rockstar. They're not great at "balance".

[We Are Ninja]

 

 

"I have issues with players utilizing the tools provided to them because I am a little bitch like that"

That's a silly argument. That's like me getting into my car and running over a bunch of people, then wondering why I'm being arrested. "The dealership provided me this tool. I was simply utilizing it for my own enjoyment. Don't blame me for being an asshole, blame the dealership for giving it to me."

 

If you play like an asshole, it's whatever. But at least own up to it.

 

Terrible analogy. The dealership provided the car to you so that you could drive it from place to place, not to run people down. The jets were put into an urban warfare game armed AND allowed to be used in FM so jet people can do precisely what they are doing with them.

 

See, that's my point. The dealership provided the car because I provided them money. What I choose to do with the power that I now wield (the car, in this instance) is entirely up to me. I could race it, I could donk it, or I could go on a vehicular killing spree. Whatever I choose is my decision. Back when the tank was the top dog super strap-on in the game, griefers loved them. I bought one during the billionaire days. I was then in possession of one of the "tools provided to me". The only time I've EVER called it was to take out tank griefers. To this day, I've never fired at am innocent person on foot. I've driven past crowds of people and not fired a single shot. I'd square shoulders with the griefer, and when we were done, I'd hop out of the tank. Just because the game gives you weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean you have to go around antagonizing people. That's your call.

Edited April 1, 2016 by We Are Ninja

[hyperspeed980]

Because some people use them to ruin the game experiences of other players.

[fear_the_nut70]

Because some people use them to ruin the game experiences of other players.

 

Yeah, no one else is using an implement in the game to ruin the experience for the way other players would like to play the game.

 

Good solid post right here.

[l Marksman God l]

Asking for a 1-1 is the most childish thing you could say.

 

Almost all of the MR users are cheap, FP sniping, rocket-suicide, kill myself when shot, you know who you are.

""""Almost all""""" and yes I do snipe in FP cause I play with good freemode players, not noobs who don't even mode when they are sniping, 1v1 is the only way of proving skill, shadow said pilots can't play on ground, and when i ask him for a ground 1v1 he is running? That's not how u show an argument.

[teagle]

 

For the sake of the argument, the term asshole is subjective. What you consider to be playing like an asshole, is not necessarily what everyone else considers to be playing like one.

Normally, I'd agree with that reasoning. But slaughtering countless people for your own amusement is almost universally frowned upon.

 

And just because rape is perfectly acceptable to a rapist, it doesn't make rape OK.

 

By that argument, everyone should do whatever pleases them; f*ck everybody else...

I just can't get behind the concept, that a player in a jet is playing the game any less legitimately than anyone else. The ability to slaughter countless "people" has always been one of the draws of Grand Theft Auto. Some may choose to play the game without killing, but that doesn't mean the ones who spend their time focusing on the mayhem are playing incorrectly. We're all playing for our own amusement; so if someone wants to play Gta, get in a jet, and kill as many people as many times as they can I just don't see how they're not justified in doing so? It's a game.

 

You mention rape, and stealing cars then mowing people down as if Gta:O has any direct connect to reality. No one is physically being raped or murdered, you're losing control of your argument when you make such outlandish comparisons.

 

If you're upset by jets in a lobby, find a new lobby, if you can't find a lobby without jets then play invite only. If you complain that you want interaction and you can't get that in invite only, then either go passive, fight the jet directly or just deal with it, that's part of the interaction in public lobbies. Some say jets ruin their experience, but Gta isn't about THEIR experience it's about the ability to create your own.

 

Frankly, when speaking about Gta:O... everyone should do whatever pleases them as long as they're playing "fair" regardless of anyone else, because it's a game. And to be clear, by fair I mean not using mods or glitches to achieve the upper hand.

Edited April 1, 2016 by teagle

[Aether]

Just for the record I'm not an MLG strafer, and I very rarely pursue ground targets. I'm not an asshole.

 

 

I just don't want to see the breed of players I belong to become more endangered than we already are(there are only a couple hundred of us if that), I'm referring to the dogfighters.

 

By the way, the lazer was nerfed during the transfer to next gen for the record. The splash damage range from the cannons was significantly reduced from 360.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Tempest

[EvilPickle12]

I play with good FM players, i TP snipe and i use bullets, not rockets, i use heavy, not marksman. If you care about KD, mine is a legit 3.64, without mods, MR, rockets or jets.

Edited April 1, 2016 by EvilPickle12

[hyperspeed980]

 

Because some people use them to ruin the game experiences of other players.

 

Yeah, no one else is using an implement in the game to ruin the experience for the way other players would like to play the game.

 

Good solid post right here.

 

Good point, but I'm still correct in saying what I said.

[We Are Ninja]

You mention rape, and stealing cars then mowing people down as if Gta:O has any direct connect to reality. No one is physically being raped or murdered, you're losing control of your argument when you make such outlandish comparisons.

Not really, I used real-world examples in a apparently unsuccessful attempt to bring some sort of perspective to the discussion. The point that I was trying to make was that when your fun interferes with someone else's fun to the point that they have to completely abandon their game, your fun is a bit much.

 

 

If you're upset by jets in a lobby, find a new lobby, if you can't find a lobby without jets then play invite only. If you complain that you want interaction and you can't get that in invite only, then either go passive, fight the jet directly or just deal with it.

I think you've misunderstood me. I don't have a problem dealing with jets. At all. That doesn't mean that they don't need addressing. I don't have any STD's either, but that doesn't mean that they're not a problem.

 

 

Some say jets ruin their experience, but Gta isn't about THEIR experience it's about the ability to create your own.

But, by that argument, it's not about YOUR experience (or the ability to create your own) either...

 

 

Frankly, when speaking about Gta:O... everyone should do whatever pleases them as long as they're playing "fair" regardless of anyone else, because it's a game. And to be clear, by fair I mean not using mods or glitches to achieve the upper hand.

This is where I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. I'm all for having a good time, but not at the expense of others. That'd make me an asshole.

[fear_the_nut70]

 

 

 

"I have issues with players utilizing the tools provided to them because I am a little bitch like that"

That's a silly argument. That's like me getting into my car and running over a bunch of people, then wondering why I'm being arrested. "The dealership provided me this tool. I was simply utilizing it for my own enjoyment. Don't blame me for being an asshole, blame the dealership for giving it to me."

 

If you play like an asshole, it's whatever. But at least own up to it.

 

Terrible analogy. The dealership provided the car to you so that you could drive it from place to place, not to run people down. The jets were put into an urban warfare game armed AND allowed to be used in FM so jet people can do precisely what they are doing with them.

 

See, that's my point. The dealership provided the car because I provided them money. What I choose to do with the power that I now wield (the car, in this instance) is entirely up to me. I could race it, I could donk it, or I could go on a vehicular killing spree. Whatever I choose is my decision. Back when the tank was the top dog super strap-on in the game, griefers loved them. I bought one during the billionaire days. I was then in possession of one of the "tools provided to me". The only time I've EVER called it was to take out tank griefers. To this day, I've never fired at am innocent person on foot. I've driven past crowds of people and not fired a single shot. I'd square shoulders with the griefer, and when we were done, I'd hop out of the tank. Just because the game gives you weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean you have to go around antagonizing people. That's your call.

 

 

Nice try, but you are glossing over my point regarding "purpose."

 

Simply put, the jets were put into the game to be used exactly like they are. Your confusion has to do with the fact that jet users COULD choose to NOT use them the way they were intended, which is the exact opposite situation as someone misusing the vehicle in your tortured analogy. Time to send that idea back to formula!!

 

Here is the heart of the matter: "[t]o this day, I've never fired at am innocent person on foot. I've driven past crowds of people and not fired a single shot. I'd square shoulders with the griefer, and when we were done, I'd hop out of the tank. Just because the game gives you weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean you have to go around antagonizing people. That's your call."

 

Like most who cry about jet people, you have your code for the way you play the game and are annoyed others don't play the same way. But what does that have to do with using an implement the way the developers clearly intended it to be used (as one can conclude by the fact that there are no limitations for using it in this manner)? Nothing, that's what.

Edited April 1, 2016 by fear_the_nut70

[l Marksman God l]

I play with good FM players, i TP snipe and i use bullets, not rockets, i use heavy, not marksman. If you care about KD, mine is a legit 3.64, without mods, MR, rockets or jets.

"Mine is 3.64 legit" And I'm the one caring for KD lol if u play really good players u won't have a 3 kd ..And what's the problem of using rockets, miniguns or marksman? Some of u guys complain about EVERY SINGLE THING in gta. Jets, RPG's. FP, BP helmet, jeez get good.

[fear_the_nut70]

 

 

Because some people use them to ruin the game experiences of other players.

 

Yeah, no one else is using an implement in the game to ruin the experience for the way other players would like to play the game.

 

Good solid post right here.

 

Good point, but I'm still correct in saying what I said.

 

 

It is not a matter of right or wrong. Rather, you are simply ignoring the reality that is GTA online.

[Hunter]

By the way, the lazer was nerfed during the transfer to next gen for the record. The splash damage range from the cannons was significantly reduced from 360.

The range was buffed quite a bit too though, if I remember correctly. Didn't actually know about the splash damage though.

 

Maybe that's a route they could go down - trading splash damage for extra range?

[We Are Ninja]

Nice try, but you are glossing over my point regarding "purpose."

 

Simply put, the jets were put into the game to be used exactly like they are. Your confusion has to do with the fact that jet users COULD choose to NOT use them the way they were intended, which is the exact opposite situation as someone misusing the vehicle in your tortured analogy. Time to send that idea back to formula!!

 

Here is the heart of the matter: "[t]o this day, I've never fired at am innocent person on foot. I've driven past crowds of people and not fired a single shot. I'd square shoulders with the griefer, and when we were done, I'd hop out of the tank. Just because the game gives you weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean you have to go around antagonizing people. That's your call."

 

Like most who cry about jet people, you have your code for the way you play the game and are annoyed others don't play the same way. But what does that have to do with using an implement the way the developers clearly intended it to be used (as one can conclude by the fact that there are no limitations for using it in this manner)? Nothing, that's what.

What's wrong with using an egregiously unbalanced, overpowered "tool" to antagonize others? No offense (seriously, no offense intended...), but if you need me to explain it to you in order for it to make sense, my doing so probably wouldn't do much good. Griefing is a reportable offense for a reason. Which is odd since they've given griefer's the ultimate tool to do it with...

Edited April 1, 2016 by We Are Ninja

[Hunter]

This is how fast a jet should be going:

 

 

 

 

If jets went at this kind of speed, they wouldn't be able to easily pick people off on the ground with ridiculous accuracy. It would also probably make dogfighting more complicated and deeper.

[teagle]

 

Some say jets ruin their experience, but Gta isn't about THEIR experience it's about the ability to create your own.

But, by that argument, it's not about YOUR experience (or the ability to create your own) either.

 

Exactly, that's my entire point. It's not about the game I want to play, or you want to play. It's about the game that's created when I play my way AND you play yours. Edited April 2, 2016 by teagle

[cswood]

Gonna go Xenoxx side, jets are a major problem to ground players, i try to act like a "Sky Guardian" unless someone tries to homing launcher me, that's when like I act like an azzhole, and yes, more jet griefers? More passive griefers as I'm decent at dofighting, also having marksman in your username tells me you're cheap and kill yourself when you get shot.

 

I fully admit I'm mostly terrible in a jet, but I'm good enough that when I encounter a player who spams rockets, uses the marksmen in first person and dances, or constantly kills themselves after being shot, then I'm pulling out the jet and guarding the helipad so they can't get theirs and I won't stop killing them until they go passive. Dick moves beget dick moves.

 

"But that just means you suck at ground game!" Yup. Don't care. I play to win just like everybody else. There is no code of honor in this game, otherwise people wouldn't have invisible bodies or kill themselves all the time.

 

Also this where it's good to have friends. If I do encounter a jet griefer and determine he's really good then there's basically nothing you can do but leave unless you have friends who can carry out a coordinated attack because nothing feels better than taking down a jerk with the help of your friends. Teamwork!

Edited April 1, 2016 by cswood

[fear_the_nut70]

 

Nice try, but you are glossing over my point regarding "purpose."

 

Simply put, the jets were put into the game to be used exactly like they are. Your confusion has to do with the fact that jet users COULD choose to NOT use them the way they were intended, which is the exact opposite situation as someone misusing the vehicle in your tortured analogy. Time to send that idea back to formula!!

 

Here is the heart of the matter: "[t]o this day, I've never fired at am innocent person on foot. I've driven past crowds of people and not fired a single shot. I'd square shoulders with the griefer, and when we were done, I'd hop out of the tank. Just because the game gives you weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean you have to go around antagonizing people. That's your call."

 

Like most who cry about jet people, you have your code for the way you play the game and are annoyed others don't play the same way. But what does that have to do with using an implement the way the developers clearly intended it to be used (as one can conclude by the fact that there are no limitations for using it in this manner)? Nothing, that's what.

What's wrong with using an egregiously unbalanced, overpowered "tool" to antagonize others? No offense (seriously, no offense intended...), but if you need me to explain it to you in order for it to make sense, my doing so probably wouldn't do much good. Griefing is a reportable offense for a reason. Which is odd since they've given griefer's the ultimate tool to do it with...

 

 

"egregiously unbalanced, overpowered 'tool'". To quote the dude, that's just like your opinion man.

 

Most who say this don't have the skill to combat a jet and don't want to be bothered to learn it. I used to think as you did until I watched an expert make a fool out of this jet guy (who prior to that, the jet guy was raking the board pretty good). This guy killed jet guy six times in a span of about 30 minutes until jet guy left the board.

 

I guess it's easier to just cry foul than to get good at the game.

Edited April 1, 2016 by fear_the_nut70

[We Are Ninja]

 

 

Some say jets ruin their experience, but Gta isn't about THEIR experience it's about the ability to create your own.

But, by that argument, it's not about YOUR experience (or the ability to create your own) either.

 

Exactly, that's my entire point. It's not about the game I want to play, or you want to play. It's about the game that's created when I play my way AND you play yours...

 

You know what? As much as I'm enjoying all of the back and forth in here, I'll concede that point. That one is hard to argue with. Now, whether or not R* should take action to balance the experience so that one plays style doesn't completely dominate another is another discussion entirely.

 

 

"egregiously unbalanced, overpowered 'tool'". To quote the dude, that's just like your opinion man.

 

Most who say this don't have the skill to combat a jet and don't want to be bothered to learn it. I used to think as you did until I watched an expert make a fool out of this jet guy (who prior to that, the jet guy was raking the board pretty good). This guy killed jet guy six times in a span of about 30 minutes until jet guy left the board.

 

I guess it's easier to just cry foul than to get good at the game.

I think that you're misunderstanding me. I've put down plenty jets. I don't run from them. But there's no denying that they're easily the most powerful weapon in the game, and that there's not really a reliable answer to them ATM. I'm not asking that they be removed from the game or that people stop using them. I just want balance. A nice paper, rock, scissors level of balance.

Edited April 1, 2016 by We Are Ninja