Religion in a relationship.

[phunkism]

My partner should accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or else i will label them as hipsters with edgy teen phase

[mr quick]

My partner should accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or else i will label them as hipsters with edgy teen phase

agreed of hipster youth... as of even when our Lord have been to us what is.

[Abel.]

 

I only take agnostic people and atheists.

This is totally me. If I ever found myself single again for whatever reason, figuring out a way to tactfully but quickly find out if a potential partner was agnostic or atheist would be my #1 priority.

 

When it comes to religious folk, I do believe that couples of different faith can make it work. A co-worker of mine is Christian and her husband is Jewish. I know that they celebrate all the Christian and Jewish holidays with their children and extended families without any issue.

 

I'm sure your friends are good parents and provide a happy, culturally-vibrant home, but their children will not be considered Jews by the majority of world Jewry. It's nice that they celebrate the holidays with their family as I think spending time with family is important for child development, but there's no way that they can earnestly celebrate Hanukkah and Christmas, for example. Hanukkah is specifically about the survival of the Jewish people against assimilation, forced conversion and incursions into their land; Christmas flies in the face of this as it's about celebrating the birth of a savior which Jews emphatically believe not to be a savior. One day those children will have to make a choice between Christianity and Judaism, or simply renounce religion altogether. There is no middle ground here. From the age of 18 they will be eligible for a free trip to Israel, after which many Jewish youngsters choose to make Israel their home for a few years because it's a great country and they have ancestry there. Should they want to do this they will be able to, but will have to specifically renounce their Christianity and will in any case not be considered Jews by the rabbinate. In order to marry in Israel they will have to convert, indeed in order to marry according to orthodoxy anywhere they will have to convert, despite having been told their entire lives that they are Jewish. That's not to say they will be treated badly by Jews/Israelis--"paternal Jews" can do fine in Israel, make friends, join the IDF and so on (this was the case for many people coming to Israel from the former Soviet Union), but to really be considered Jews they will have to convert--in Israel Jews want to marry Jews. On the other hand earnestly choosing Christianity will mean effectively renouncing half of their ancestry. Modern evangelists talk of coexistence, of dual covenant theology, of being "Torah-true Christians" and that's all good, but at the end of the day you cannot be both a Christian and a Jew, you simply can't.

 

This article is tragic because the writer honestly thinks her daughter will be Jewish. Not only will her daughter not be Jewish, but neither will her grandchildren unless they convert, which is be a lengthy, mentally taxing and emotionally difficult process:

 

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/im-a-non-jew-raising-a-jewish-kid/

 

The chances are none of this will matter. I'm sure your friends do a great job of raising their kids and I'm not judging them at all. Given that they were willing to marry in the first place religion probably doesn't interfere too much in their lives anyway, so the children will probably forget about all this and become secular, which is fine. However, the points still stand. They have a Jewish name, they have a heritage stretching back to Mount Sinai and a connection by blood to the Land of Israel, but they are not Jews.

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2016 by Failure

[Cyper]

I don't think I would do very well if I had a partner who was religious, at least not a theist, e.i someone that believe God is watching us 24/7 hours a day, intervenes in our daily life by answering prayers, and demand us to follow his rules told in scriptures. A deist would be a case in its own, though, even though that would be a bad sign.

Those who seriously believe that it is a fact that God exist, that Muhammed flew to the heavens on a horse-like creature, or that Jesus was raised from the dead or born out of a virgin - i can't take someone like that to be intellectually serious. Neither do I consider it admirable to believe in such stories despite no good reasons to do so. Neither do I admire someone who submit herself to an authority, reject their integrity, and only follow orders without questioning. Once the religious 'absolute morality' is brought onto the table, then I don't know what to expect because religious people always surprise me with their ludicrous, often harmfull morality.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Cyper

[Jehannum]

 

 

I only take agnostic people and atheists.

This is totally me. If I ever found myself single again for whatever reason, figuring out a way to tactfully but quickly find out if a potential partner was agnostic or atheist would be my #1 priority.

 

When it comes to religious folk, I do believe that couples of different faith can make it work. A co-worker of mine is Christian and her husband is Jewish. I know that they celebrate all the Christian and Jewish holidays with their children and extended families without any issue.

 

I'm sure your friends are good parents and provide a happy, culturally-vibrant home, but their children will not be considered Jews by the majority of world Jewry.

 

 

 

The Jewry's out on that one.

My partner should accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or else i will label them as hipsters with edgy teen phase

 

sh*t, I've been in that edgy teen phase for thirty nine years, since I was five.

[Clem Fandango]

However, the points still stand. They have a Jewish name, they have a heritage stretching back to Mount Sinai and a connection by blood to the Land of Israel, but they are not Jews.

I know people whose mothers are Anglo or like Chinese that consider themselves Jewish and have never been corrected by anyone. These rules might apply in Manhattan, but they don't in Sydney and I very much doubt they do in every single community in Israel; especially considering a substantial portion of the population don't identify with Judaism at all.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Melchior