Too much details, too few interiors

[Fuzzknuckles]

The main reason why most interiors in V are inaccessible is simply because there is no point accessing them.

 

You can enter a shop to buy a snack, rob the cash registers or hide from cops (for a short time). But what would be the point of entering Maze Bank Tower? To use the ATM? To be spirited onto the roof so you can do a CJ and jump off?

 

Why enter a building if you cannot benefit from it? You can have a look around but it would soon lose it's appeal. The large Motel at Sandy Shores has lots of explorable interiors in great detail but it is far from interesting.

This is exactly what I've been saying. I wonder if people will accept it more coming from a moderator and whether you'll get a teary eyed victom child try and rip your opinion apart in the same way as mine was

 

*looks*

 

Ah, nope, no one nipping at your heels.

 

If GTA V had impressive gameplay and content to fully utilise the potential of the map then I'd still overlook the lack of interiors.

Right now, V fails to impress me in across all the departments. Nothing feels satisfying nor fun that I'd find myself returning for more.

I don't know how to put this in words but SP feels like a half assed, unfinished and sticking out in places that should have evolved "in this day and age", esp., when games like SA already had raised the bar.

Unfortunately, V feels nothing more than a beautifully crafted empty world to immerse myself for a few minutes driving around before getting bored due to the severe drought in the gameplay department.

But you still play it on PC with mods and still force yourself to play online with your "friends", right?

 

Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself?

[Osho]

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Osho

[slimeball supreme]

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a serious kick to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

Good. If you complain so much you should've stopped playing the series a long time ago. The less you bitch, the better.

[Fuzzknuckles]

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

Interesting.

 

Perhaps Rockstar also needs a strong message to make those who obsess over microscopic details in order to complain about them remember the bigger picture and that a game simply cannot appeal to everyone. And that after two years of making the same complaints perhaps it is the person that is obsessing over a game that they don't like that has the problem?

 

Perhaps in the eyes of many, their games ARE worthy, and they HAVE expanded on other interesting possibilities instead of trying to incrementally introduce tiny improvements to existing features that, to many, are not interesting?

 

Perhaps you need to realise that your opinions on the content of GTA are simply that your opinions and that you need to learn to acknowledge that some people will differ with you and you do not need to tell them they are wrong for having that differing opinion and try to refrain from insulting them and implying that you're somehow a better standard of gamer when you write things in such a condescending and immature fashion?

 

Seriously, reading the amount of attacks and the use of opinions as fact gives me no hope for the future of gamers. Because they can't simply engage in a discussion, they feel the need to word their posts in a way that attacks anyone that differs from them and suggests they either lack intelligence, skill, or some sort of universally agreed, Osho-approved standard knowlesdge of what is Good or Bad.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Fuzzknuckles

[XenoxX]

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

We were talking about interiors, how come you changed the title again to "future GTAs and GTA is not worthy" is beyond me.

 

On Topic:

I feel like Vs production cycle was hindered simply because of the severe amount of games that R* had to release at that time and that were in developement hell for long, Max Payne 3, AGENT, LA Noire. etc.

 

I sincerely hope that future games of them or maybe a DLC will feature restaurant and bar interiors.

[ChiroVette]

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

 

Allow me to translate this into what you're really saying:

 

So many people love what Rockstar did with GTA V. Yet the small minority like yourself, who cannot tolerate the most infinitesimal deviation from what YOU personally want from the series, are right. So ipso facto, all the other great things about V that people love simply don't count, and the series is doomed.

 

Nice.

[Raj The Rager]

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

 

I believe Rockstar knows what they're doing, considering that it's been nearly 3 years and people are still playing it. Just because you don't like GTA 5 doesn't mean the fate of the series will take a turn for the worse for everyone else.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Chamberman20

[ChiroVette]

 

Seriously reading the amount of defenses gives me really no hope for the future of this series. I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

 

I believe Rockstar knows what they're doing, considering that it's been nearly 3 years and people are still playing it. Just because you don't like GTA 5 doesn't mean the fate of the series will take a turn for the worse for everyone else.

 

 

And its amazing that some of V's detractors use such reactionary language like the post you quoted when building their many Straw Men. Look at his post:

 

 

 

reading the amount of defenses

 

That colorful language depicts a fallacy that disagreeing with part or all of the position of many of the critics of V is tantamount to defensiveness. In other words, it has a built-in derogatory meaning subliminally aimed at anyone who likes the game!

 

 

 

gives me really no hope for the future of this series.

 

So in other words, because he doesn't like these things, he is now disparaging the entire series, its future, Rockstar, and any fans of the game. Why? Well, because he has no hope, therefore there is no hope.

 

Interesting, no?

 

 

 

I am really glad there's good competition in open world games emerging this gen.

 

This is a little more subtle. Here, he is indirectly intimating that the only future for sandbox games lies solely in GTA's competitors because, if this position is to be believed, GTA is done.

 

 

 

Rockstar needs a strong message to make them and those who obsess over their microscopic details to realize their games are not enough to be worthy if they don't expand on other interesting possibilities'.

 

Now the pejoratives abound! Basically in his rather limited and small view of the entire GTA community and its needs and desires, we need to send Rockstar a message by, I am assuming he means boycotting future games. Nevermind how many people not only bought the game, but are still playing it 3 years later.

 

This is the problem with SOME (not all) of the people who criticize this game. They speak in broad, widesweeping, huge brushstrokes as if things they feel and observe are tantamount to sh*tty design, a garbage game, and Rockstar being "lost" with regard to this franchise.

 

Look, not all people who are critical of this game are like this. Many, it not most, of the people in this forum who have complaints seem to be reasonable about it. But some.......just wow!

[Cheatz/Trickz]

it's been nearly 3 years and people are still trying to play it.

 

Fix'd.

[ChiroVette]

 

it's been nearly 3 years and people are still trying to play it.

 

Fix'd.

 

 

Nah, ya broke it.

 

I think most people can play it. I have never had a serious problem.

Edited January 8, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Sonnу]

GTA games always were and still are beyond any comparison despite all their bugs, fails, interior lacks etc. I have played games like Sleeping Dogs, Mafia II i.e., and like I said, GTA is better anyway. Especially Five. A one of many reasons why any other game sucks comparing to GTA is that you can edit a lot of gameplay features with a f*ck*ng notepad. And EVERYTHING else with special tools available for free and pretty understandable. You re dissapointed in lack of interiors and side missions? In glitches? Well, try Sleeping Dogs or Mafia II. I promise you will love GTA again. Lol

Edited January 9, 2016 by Sonny3787

[Raj The Rager]

 

it's been nearly 3 years and people are still trying to play it.

Fix'd.

What you should have fixed is your grammar. Edited January 9, 2016 by Chamberman20

[Osho]

^ Don't mind. At least, he's not insulting like some people do.

 

OT:

Y'know, details always impress me when they've something to tell, react and interact.

Just playing under the impression, "Aww. Look. Its soo beautiful" doesn't make the game great.

Video game is meant to be played not spend time alone doing nothing but watching all the details.

[Cheatz/Trickz]

I don't understand the fix'd meme, so i'll say you should have fixed your grammar. Even though I look stupid now

Fix'd. Yeah you do look stupid now.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Cheatz_N_Trickz

[Official General]

GTA games always were and still are beyond any comparison despite all their bugs, fails, interior lacks etc. I have played games like Sleeping Dogs, Mafia II i.e., and like I said, GTA is better anyway. Especially Five. A one of many reasons why any other game sucks comparing to GTA is that you can edit a lot of gameplay features with a f*ck*ng notepad. And EVERYTHING else with special tools available for free and pretty understandable. You re dissapointed in lack of interiors and side missions? In glitches? Well, try Sleeping Dogs or Mafia II. I promise you will love GTA again. Lol

Don't really see why you had to be all dramatic with this post.

 

Everybody on here has always agreed that GTA is much better than its competitors and there is no comparison. When Sleeping Dogs came out, everybody on here was dissapointed it didn't even remotely measure up to V, as for Mafia II, it couldn't hold a candle to IV.

 

We all know this. But this not about GTA's weak competition, or being grateful, and it does not stop us from comparing GTAs to each other or being critical of GTA games by Rockstar's own standards. Your point does not really mean anything here.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Official General

[XenoxX]

 

I don't understand the fix'd meme, so i'll say you should have fixed your grammar. Even though I look stupid now

Fix'd. Yeah you do look stupid now.

Your constant act of trolling, bullieng and meme posting makes you look stupid to be honest, its getting annoyingy

Not trying to offend but simply telling you that in defense of the others.

[Osho]

What I am saying is, take for instance: Mafia 2.

Beautiful yet the city gets boring to explore as time is passing by. I had a similar feeling but to a bit lesser extent with the vanilla GTA IV.

Also, Read - "GTA V is an incredibly shallow experience. Lots of flash, badly designed gameplay that you could button mash through, and full of pointless content"

Am I being clear?

Edited January 9, 2016 by Osho

[XenoxX]

What I am saying is, take for instance: Mafia 2.

Beautiful yet the city gets boring to explore as time is passing by. I had a similar feeling but to a bit lesser extent with the vanilla GTA IV.

Also, Read - "GTA V is an incredibly shallow experience. Lots of flash, badly designed gameplay that you could button mash through, and full of pointless content"

Am I being clear?

Why do you allways link to bloggers noone knows and who are not proffesional writers at all...I once debunked the WHOLE article of one such blogger about Online....

You could have written that post yourself and it would have sounded a hell of a lot more believeable.

 

The article BARELY even reasons anything...

And GTA V has got a ton of NON repetetive content, e.g. Random Events, side missions, main missions, etc.

I do not see the problem here.

Edited January 9, 2016 by XenoxX

[Osho]

It saves my time and the trouble of typing on phone.

Besides, I only link the articles/blogs/story with whom I agree and find honest and right in their observations.

Also, my English is not that great, so it helps the readers to link to a source ( only in special cases ) that I agree completely to present it in a much better way.

[EvilDog77]

I only link the articles/blogs/story with whom I agree...

 

Why am I not surprised?

[ChiroVette]

 

I only link the articles/blogs/story with whom I agree...

 

Why am I not surprised?

 

 

Nobody is.

[Sonnу]

 

GTA games always were and still are beyond any comparison despite all their bugs, fails, interior lacks etc. I have played games like Sleeping Dogs, Mafia II i.e., and like I said, GTA is better anyway. Especially Five. A one of many reasons why any other game sucks comparing to GTA is that you can edit a lot of gameplay features with a f*ck*ng notepad. And EVERYTHING else with special tools available for free and pretty understandable. You re dissapointed in lack of interiors and side missions? In glitches? Well, try Sleeping Dogs or Mafia II. I promise you will love GTA again. Lol

Don't really see why you had to be all dramatic with this post.

 

Everybody on here has always agreed that GTA is much better than its competitors and there is no comparison. When Sleeping Dogs came out, everybody on here was dissapointed it didn't even remotely measure up to V, as for Mafia II, it couldn't hold a candle to IV.

 

We all know this. But this not about GTA's weak competition, or being grateful, and it does not stop us from comparing GTAs to each other or being critical of GTA games by Rockstar's own standards. Your point does not really mean anything here.

Bad is never good until worse happens (Danish proverb)

Edited January 9, 2016 by Sonny3787

[Official General]

 

 

GTA games always were and still are beyond any comparison despite all their bugs, fails, interior lacks etc. I have played games like Sleeping Dogs, Mafia II i.e., and like I said, GTA is better anyway. Especially Five. A one of many reasons why any other game sucks comparing to GTA is that you can edit a lot of gameplay features with a f*ck*ng notepad. And EVERYTHING else with special tools available for free and pretty understandable. You re dissapointed in lack of interiors and side missions? In glitches? Well, try Sleeping Dogs or Mafia II. I promise you will love GTA again. Lol

 

Don't really see why you had to be all dramatic with this post.

Everybody on here has always agreed that GTA is much better than its competitors and there is no comparison. When Sleeping Dogs came out, everybody on here was dissapointed it didn't even remotely measure up to V, as for Mafia II, it couldn't hold a candle to IV.

We all know this. But this not about GTA's weak competition, or being grateful, and it does not stop us from comparing GTAs to each other or being critical of GTA games by Rockstar's own standards. Your point does not really mean anything here.

 

Bad is never good until worse happens (Danish proverb)In my eyes the GTA series has already indicated through V that it has taken a turn for the worse, as far as SP is concerned. Edited January 9, 2016 by Official General

[ChiroVette]

We all know this. But this not about GTA's weak competition, or being grateful, and it does not stop us from comparing GTAs to each other or being critical of GTA games by Rockstar's own standards. Your point does not really mean anything here.

 

 

You know what the problem here is, as far as I can see?

 

It's twofold:

 

First, everyone is trying to win the argument. And let's face it, GTA V detractors or GTA supporters can no more win this argument than, say a Yankees fan like me debating over why I think the Red Sox Suck, or the Red Sox fan arguing the opposite. For better or for worse, far too many people in this forum are treating this debate as a zero sum game, so EVERYONE is reticent about conceding the smallest of opposing points and nobody wants to give an inch! I wonder how many people in the GTA community "truly hate" GTA V and how many love it so much they actually think it is without flaw?

 

I bet that both sides of that extreme spectrum are in some very small, infinitesimal minority.

 

But the arguments in this forum have become so polarized by everyone trying to win the debate, once and for all, and at all costs, that it often seems as if those extreme, polar opposites are the majority opinion. I have seen this myself MANY times. The GTA critics who argue against the game will invariably pounce on ANYONE who loves the game whenever we admit to some flaw.

 

"See?" they say, "the game sucks, you just said it yourself. Gotcha. You lose!!"

 

And then if a critic of GTA V admits that some facet of it is fun and enjoyable, you get people from the peanut gallery of V-supporters saying roughly the same thing in opposite:

 

"See?" they yell, "You love GTA V, admit it. Gotcha. You lose!"

 

The experience of any game is more organic than that, and it is almost NEVER one or two facets that either make or break a game for an individual. I can see some flaws in GTA V, or at least see things I wish weren't in the game or things from, say San Andreas, that I wish were. But admitting that some things are lacking in my opinion is not the same as saying that the game is poorly designed or irredeemable is my point.

 

If everyone in this forum would just take a step back and stop lobbying for their position, and I mean on both sides of this debate, discussions would be much more productive. If the GTA V fans would STOP calling everyone who complaints a troll, or spoiled, entitled brat, or whatever, and the GTA V detractors would STOP dismissing everything people love about the game as being inconsequential or bogus, discussions might actually be fun around here.

 

God knows, we all have opinions, and by all means we should ALL express them. But tolerance and meeting of the minds and even "agreeing to disagree" without disparaging comments would go a long way to making this forum as awesome as it can be.

 

Just saying.

 

In my eyes the GTA series has already indicated through V that it has taken a turn for the worse, as far as SP is concerned.

 

 

 

Edit: Just using this post of yours as an example. What's wrong with you saying this? I mean, clearly, I don't agree with you. But you are giving a fair, and well thought out opinion about what YOU want in the game and NOT disparaging anyone in the process. You haven't called people who do like V things like lazy, unskilled, bad videogame drivers, or unsophisticated. You just gave YOUR honest opinion. This should be respected not attacked.

 

Again, lol just saying.

Edited January 9, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Delycan_black]

GTA 5 is honestly boring as sh*t. The only reason I even play anymore is because of RP groups. The game gets very tiresome and for a company that spent time making your cloths drip water you mean to tell me these dip sh*ts couldn't make it to where you can drive through a bush? Idgaf about high details. This game would be a whole nother thing if it had more building you could go into online.

[ChiroVette]

GTA 5 is honestly boring as sh*t. The only reason I even play anymore is because of RP groups. The game gets very tiresome and for a company that spent time making your cloths drip water you mean to tell me these dip sh*ts couldn't make it to where you can drive through a bush? Idgaf about high details. This game would be a whole nother thing if it had more building you could go into online.

 

lol Really?

 

The game, in its entirety, is boring as sh*t, but somehow, by the incalculable power of more buildings you could enter, it would be magically transformed?

Edited January 10, 2016 by ChiroVette

[Dangerous and sad]

Although V is still a great game regardless of having f*ck all interiors. I would be very happy if we got a lot of new interiors in SP DLC.

The highlight of tbogt besides from drug wars was just chilling in masionette 9 either by myself or with armando and Henrique. Hope the bahama mamas nightclub in V lets me have a similar experience.

[American Viking]

Here's my take on it. I prefer more interiors over intricate details and it all boils down to what makes the gameplay most immersive. For example, most people will probably miss small irrelevant details like water dripping from our protagonist's wet clothing, or cars using their blinkers when turning. Yes all of that is visually appealing but you end up with a game like GTA V where everything is beautiful but it has this big empty feeling. With interiors however, an enterable 3 story building makes the game feel more immersive. It makes the player feel as if the world offers more. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed when GTA V was released and I could no longer enter Cluckin' Bells and Burger Shots. What I'd actually prefer is more interactivity in the world.

I'd like to be able to sit on park benches and ALL the furniture in the safehouses, I'd like to be able to buy food from street vendors again, play basketball in what did not feel like a "mini game", have a choice whether to give a negative or positive comment again, things like that. After all, what is details and interiors without interactivity.

[ChiroVette]

I won't argue with either of your points, American Viking and temi4328. I personally don't care much about interiors, but a lot of people seem to really want more. So it only makes sense that they should be more plentiful.

[Sonnу]

GTA 5 is honestly boring as sh*t.

No, it's not.