This strangers on yachts sh*t needs to be fixed quick

[Godovermoney]

You gotta know how to work the defenses. Turn em off when they aren't looking, and get a kill or two before turning them back on. Keep doing this, and they will eventually leave. If not you get your K/D up at least. If someone comes in by a jetski, or boat then shoot them when they get close. If they run, use the homing launcher. I do wish they would have come up with something concerning boats, or at least the ability to decide who can board and who can't.

[Str33tJustus]

You gotta know how to work the defenses. Turn em off when they aren't looking, and get a kill or two before turning them back on. Keep doing this, and they will eventually leave. If not you get your K/D up at least. If someone comes in by a jetski, or boat then shoot them when they get close. If they run, use the homing launcher. I do wish they would have come up with something concerning boats, or at least the ability to decide who can board and who can't.

The issue for most is the passive pirates...

[Jenkiiii]

 

You gotta know how to work the defenses. Turn em off when they aren't looking, and get a kill or two before turning them back on. Keep doing this, and they will eventually leave. If not you get your K/D up at least. If someone comes in by a jetski, or boat then shoot them when they get close. If they run, use the homing launcher. I do wish they would have come up with something concerning boats, or at least the ability to decide who can board and who can't.

The issue for most is the passive pirates...

 

 

That's the issue for some players, including the OP and Nutduster - 'individual' passive mode players entering the outer decks of their yacht and dicking around all day if they want.

 

It's not big a issue for me because I accept that part of being a yacht owner is having a place that other people will want to visit and admire from time to time, and you can always turn the aerial defences on and enforce passive mode on board the yacht, and the trolls can't access the cabin or bar or bedrooms either, so no big deal, but I also accept that many owners might want to evict trolling players from the decks so that they can get on with the immersion factor of owning it. Imagine a situation IRL where somebody gatecrashes your yacht and you can't throw them off? Pretty weird. But then again, if you were able to evict people at will they'd quickly learn never to bother and then you'd have a lonely old ghost ship with just you and a few mates. It's a cyclic argument, but certainly not one worth getting wound up over.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Jenkiiii

[Godovermoney]

 

You gotta know how to work the defenses. Turn em off when they aren't looking, and get a kill or two before turning them back on. Keep doing this, and they will eventually leave. If not you get your K/D up at least. If someone comes in by a jetski, or boat then shoot them when they get close. If they run, use the homing launcher. I do wish they would have come up with something concerning boats, or at least the ability to decide who can board and who can't.

The issue for most is the passive pirates...

 

I don't encounter many of those. If that happens then leave the lobby, or go inside.

[am30]

The yacht is for me and friends, not every random in a session. I find dropping proximity mines and and flicking yacht defenses off, killing the intruder and switching defenses back on get the message across that someone is unwelcome. If someone was welcome on my yacht, they'd have an invite.

 

Same with the VIP bodyguards - if I wanted someone to be a bodyguard I'd invite them but no, idiots have to follow you around or send messages begging to be a bodyguard.

[Godovermoney]

The yacht is for me and friends, not every random in a session. I find dropping proximity mines and and flicking yacht defenses off, killing the intruder and switching defenses back on get the message across that someone is unwelcome. If someone was welcome on my yacht, they'd have an invite.

 

Same with the VIP bodyguards - if I wanted someone to be a bodyguard I'd invite them but no, idiots have to follow you around or send messages begging to be a bodyguard.

Genius.

[Nutduster]

In all actuality, this discussion is more of an extension of the balconies on properties discussion. The exterior of the owned property is open to the public. That's just the way it is. You can use hyperboles all you want (ex: "it's not like I'm asking for a throne on top of maze bank..."), but that doesn't change the fact that you are indeed looking for the game to be changed in order to suit your personal wants. That in and of itself isn't the issue, the issue is that you're complaining about the way the game currently functions and essentially implying that it NEEDS to be changed to how you want because it doesn't function right as is. In reality, there are several existing in-game solutions/preventative measures in place to avoid such situations that you're bothered by. The fact that you're unhappy with those existing options is one thing, but to claim that you're not debating about it when you've clearly spent time countering people's comments is silly.

 

To summarize: so be it if you're unhappy with the way it is now, you are free to share that, but you're posts come off as a bit entitled. The way you've worded your opinion on the matter reads as if you feel you're entitled to have R* make changes because you personally are frustrated with the way other people choose to interact with you in an open, multiplayer environment.

 

So having failed to find any real flaws with what I said, you now will settle for just putting words in my mouth? I'm not demanding anything. I'm doing what anyone with a reasonable complaint can and should do: discuss it with fellow players first (to find out if there's a known fix or a good workaround - in this case there is neither); and failing that, lobby Rockstar politely but insistently that this is something that ought to be changed. That is the sum total of what I'm doing about this. If you think I'm doing something more, something "entitled," that's on you because it's simply not the case.

 

I do think the price tag of the yacht should be a factor in why they should do this. Not that I believe my 9 million in virtual dollars assures me anything - it's their game to do with as they want. But if they're going to provide a safe haven in free roam, it should be on board a multi-million dollar yacht before it's anywhere else. And I believe the features that come with the yacht suggest that it's intended to act as such a haven - it just doesn't work, thanks to the oily little loophole-finders that infest every nook and cranny of GTA:O.

 

On a related note, finding my yacht parked of Del Perro earlier, I figured I'd make the best of a bad situation and start Piracy Prevention with a friend. We successfully fended off the marauders for the required 10 minutes, though near the end one went passive and ran into the objective, then came off passive (only to get blasted - I wasn't letting him get away with that crap). After the event, the same group of 4-5 people proceeded to keep attacking us and/or going passive and doing animations on the deck for a long time afterward, until I finally got tired of it and airlifted us both away to do something else. Guess I brought that on myself, but it still would have been nice to be able to say, "The event is now over and it's closing time. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

Edited January 6, 2016 by Nutduster

[Shaytan]

As I understood the main reason you defend such thing is because of people that go to yours and either try to kill you or keep doing the said animations in front of you while in passive, and you think since you bought a really expensive thing you have the right to use it without being bothered by other players. Personally, I never had that much money in game, neither I want to buy a yacht because I'd rather spend it on cars, which is my favourite in-game feature. I also loved the Lowriders DLC and of course I have my own lowrider. It's not fast or safe but it's best purpose is, exactly to show it off, and meet with other players in car meetings. However, if I ever try to do so on a public session it won't take more than 5 minutes until yet another troll goes over there and destroys all the cars. Following your opinion, I spent about a million dollars putting that car together but other players don't let me use it to show off to other lowrider owners, so if there should be a way to make yachts inaccessible by undesired guests, there also should be a way to make lowriders indestructible. But that doesn't make any sense, and if I ever came here complaining about that the community would fall over me saying if I want to do a car meeting, then to go to an invite only session. Concluding, why don't you and your friends simply do the same?

[brooklyn718]

I'm so sick of random players doing what they want on my yacht. I paid 10 million for it for f*ck sake' i should be able to control who I want to be aboard it and to make things worse a stranger I killed me on my yacht today and I spawned back on the beach whilst he stayed on the yacht.

Lmmfaoooooo damn...I'm dying at work! Smdh I agree though.

[Nutduster]

As I understood the main reason you defend such thing is because of people that go to yours and either try to kill you or keep doing the said animations in front of you while in passive, and you think since you bought a really expensive thing you have the right to use it without being bothered by other players. Personally, I never had that much money in game, neither I want to buy a yacht because I'd rather spend it on cars, which is my favourite in-game feature. I also loved the Lowriders DLC and of course I have my own lowrider. It's not fast or safe but it's best purpose is, exactly to show it off, and meet with other players in car meetings. However, if I ever try to do so on a public session it won't take more than 5 minutes until yet another troll goes over there and destroys all the cars. Following your opinion, I spent about a million dollars putting that car together but other players don't let me use it to show off to other lowrider owners, so if there should be a way to make yachts inaccessible by undesired guests, there also should be a way to make lowriders indestructible. But that doesn't make any sense, and if I ever came here complaining about that the community would fall over me saying if I want to do a car meeting, then to go to an invite only session. Concluding, why don't you and your friends simply do the same?

 

Cars =/= yachts, there's simply no comparison to be made. I own several multi-million dollars cars and have never asked or wanted for them to be indestructible. But you can prevent people from driving off with them, or even getting in as your passenger, which I believe is similar. A yacht is literally an island away from the madness of Los Santos - you can't move it around (except at great expense, and only in the ocean, well offshore), and you can't attack people with it or from it, unless they come near you. It's much closer to an apartment than a car. But really it's not a 1:1 comparison with either cars OR apartments. It is its own thing and should be treated as such.

 

As for invite only sessions, I've already responded to that in this thread. I use the yacht as a place to chill for a few minutes between activities in free roam. I don't want to switch sessions just to be able to do that, then switch back 5 minutes later; this is cumbersome in GTA in general (as session-hopping takes a minute or more sometimes, and going between public and invite-only takes even longer, as you have to go back to single player to do it). It's even more cumbersome if I'm playing with friends. What do I need to do then - switch back to single player, go into an invite-only session, invite my friends to the session, then invite them to the yacht, hang out for 5-10 minutes, then switch back to single player, go into a public lobby, and invite them all once more (and hope they get in)? This is incredibly tedious as a workaround for something I think should just work differently, and better.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Nutduster

[Shaytan]

No, it's pretty much the same thing. They can optionally be locked, but they can be destroyed that in my opinion can be way more frustrating in some situations. And if you feel you have the right to enjoy your boat without other players comming over, I should be able to ask the same for lowriders (which I don't, this is just a example I created to try to show you why in my opinion I think you're wrong). You find your yacht more like a safehouse away of undesired guests, I find my lowrider a showing piece of work I should be able to use to meet other players without getting it blown up. You say you don't want to switch sessions to use your yachts, I perfectly can say the same about car meetings presenting the same reasons.

[Nutduster]

They're not the same thing, for reasons which I have already explained to you. Maybe it'll sink in if I present it in easy-to-comprehend list form:

 

CARS / YACHTS

- can move around almost anywhere / cannot move except for a $25,000 fee, then only to set locations which are all out in the ocean

- can run people over and can be used as mobile attack centers to shoot and throw explosives from / have no offensive capability - if people stay on land or over 500 feet away, the yacht cannot hurt them

- are destructible / are not destructible

- are dynamic / are scenery objects

- have no luxury features (hot tub, interior w/ bedroom/bathroom, etc.) / are almost nothing BUT luxury features

- are mostly used in populated areas / are ONLY used in unpopulated areas (i.e. the ocean)

 

They are separate things and there is absolutely no reason to suggest that just because a car can be destroyed (and then replaced), that strangers should be allowed to hang out in my hot tub. The relationship between those two ideas is non-existent.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Nutduster

[Shaytan]

But can't the yachts hot tubs allow 4 (?) people to sit in? Are you that fat you won't fit in? Sorry the joke but that was the first thing that came to my head after reading your last sentence. You feel like you have all the right to feel mad because some dude is using your hot tub or doing the wank animation at your face, but I can't because I risk to get my car blown up for no reason if I leave it behind? Plus, a car that costs arround a million dollars to assemble should have some unique features, even if it lacks an hot tub. Again, although I love my Faction, I accept his fate of dying in ashes all the time, I'm just showing you how ridiculous your point is going on a game players are allowed to freely to what they want. It can totally be annoying, but is that such a big offence to you to justify all of this?

[Dylsexia]

I never really bothered much with my yacht after I bought it. It was one of those things I bought just because I had the money to buy it, and now it's just there lol. People are free to go on it but my yacht is usually in areas people don't bother to really go to. I find if you have your yacht near the beach, airport, or fort zancudo you're likely going to get a free roam troll lol.

 

Thinking about it now, I actually would want people to use my yachts hot tub and radio. At least someone will be using it lol

[Superman1233]

Until they nerf the defense system having no cooldown, continue to get trolled by passive mode players coming on your yacht while you can't do crap about it.

[hugh750]

I'm so sick of random players doing what they want on my yacht. I paid 10 million for it for f*ck sake' i should be able to control who I want to be aboard it and to make things worse a stranger I killed me on my yacht today and I spawned back on the beach whilst he stayed on the yacht.

i'm on xbox 360 but it sounds like it needs the option we have with apartments where we can tell everyone to leave.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

 

I'm so sick of random players doing what they want on my yacht. I paid 10 million for it for f*ck sake' i should be able to control who I want to be aboard it and to make things worse a stranger I killed me on my yacht today and I spawned back on the beach whilst he stayed on the yacht.

i'm on xbox 360 but it sounds like it needs the option we have with apartments where we can tell everyone to leave.

 

It does, when you are in the interior.

If this is the case then I dont want people in front of my 1.1 mil apartment feature or no one can drive by me in my 1.5 super car....nvm sounds stupid

[MadVillain NEZ]

I'm so sick of random players doing what they want on my yacht. I paid 10 million for it for f*ck sake' i should be able to control who I want to be aboard it and to make things worse a stranger I killed me on my yacht today and I spawned back on the beach whilst he stayed on the yacht.

"Look at me. I'm the captain now"

[H x R G]

You gotta know how to work the defenses. Turn em off when they aren't looking, and get a kill or two before turning them back on. Keep doing this, and they will eventually leave. If not you get your K/D up at least. If someone comes in by a jetski, or boat then shoot them when they get close. If they run, use the homing launcher. I do wish they would have come up with something concerning boats, or at least the ability to decide who can board and who can't.

Glad to know i'm not the only one to do this hahah

[FuqOutTheWay]

 

I'm so sick of random players doing what they want on my yacht. I paid 10 million for it for f*ck sake' i should be able to control who I want to be aboard it and to make things worse a stranger I killed me on my yacht today and I spawned back on the beach whilst he stayed on the yacht.

"Look at me. I'm the captain now"you mirin' brah?

[Nutduster]

But can't the yachts hot tubs allow 4 (?) people to sit in? Are you that fat you won't fit in? Sorry the joke but that was the first thing that came to my head after reading your last sentence. You feel like you have all the right to feel mad because some dude is using your hot tub or doing the wank animation at your face, but I can't because I risk to get my car blown up for no reason if I leave it behind? Plus, a car that costs arround a million dollars to assemble should have some unique features, even if it lacks an hot tub. Again, although I love my Faction, I accept his fate of dying in ashes all the time, I'm just showing you how ridiculous your point is going on a game players are allowed to freely to what they want. It can totally be annoying, but is that such a big offence to you to justify all of this?

 

Game players are freely allowed to do what they want until Rockstar limits them doing so. That's a ridiculous argument on its face. For all the game's freedoms, it is loaded with limitations - and a lot of them are specifically there to prevent you from annoying and griefing other players too much. You can't follow someone into their apartment if they don't want you to, for instance. You can't rob the place while they sleep. You can't break into their bank account and steal their money. You can't steal personal vehicles permanently - a setting will even prevent you from driving them around without permission. You can blow them up instead, but there are multiple penalties for doing so: insurance costs and bad sport points. There are cooldowns on practically everything. On and on and on.

 

The annoyance of randoms on yachts is relatively minor, but I still think it should be fixed. And since the yacht access setting doesn't appear to do anything, I feel like it might just be a bug, not even an intentional design choice.

 

If they don't want to keep randoms off my yacht, they should at least let me have a setting to force passive mode off so I can deal with the riffraff my way. Then just fix the OTHER little problem, where anyone killed on your yacht spawns right back on it 2/3 of the time, and I can deal. At least give me one small way to discourage the trolls.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Nutduster

[MadVillain NEZ]

 

 

I'm so sick of random players doing what they want on my yacht. I paid 10 million for it for f*ck sake' i should be able to control who I want to be aboard it and to make things worse a stranger I killed me on my yacht today and I spawned back on the beach whilst he stayed on the yacht.

"Look at me. I'm the captain now"

you mirin' brah? nah not even close, I just find it amusing that I'm sure so many other yacht owners feel the same way that you do. I won't stop we won't stop.

[AUScowboy]

 

I had 3 high level players chase my $9000 bounty out to my yacht. Went inside, locked them out and waited out my bounty. I needed the cash..

Brool Cory Sto. Except Bounties don't countdown inside interiors

All i said is i waited those two people out. I went back out once they got bored, chilled untill i claimed my own bounty, breh.

[El Payaso]

 

 

So this subject still pisses off this much people arround here? Damn, just turn on that safety thing, or go into a single session to avoid getting your ego hurted.

You shouldn't have to go into invite only session just because you don't want people on your property. There's already parameters for apartments and cars. It's not asking for much for them to do the same to yachts.

But my point is, there has to be a realistic way to do so. On apartments the doors are locked, the cars you can do the same, but yachts don't have a roof or anything to prevent. For me, I only see 2 ways of preventing that:

 

1. Call Merryweather to guard you and kill anybody who gets too close, pay a reasonable price for that service;

 

2. While inside a yacht, if the owner activates the passive mode the yacht well become passive too, just like PVs, everybody else will see it as a ghost, people already standing inside fall on the water behind and can only get in with permission of the owner (with something like the apartments' bells) but until they leave the yacht those visitors cannot use weapons.

 

Those are good suggestions. I personally like the Merryweather suggestion more. Have them patrol in four boats around the yacht and personnel on the boat. Only those you approve can get on the yacht. It will stop randoms real quick.

[fSpiral]

But can't the yachts hot tubs allow 4 (?) people to sit in? Are you that fat you won't fit in? Sorry the joke but that was the first thing that came to my head after reading your last sentence. You feel like you have all the right to feel mad because some dude is using your hot tub or doing the wank animation at your face, but I can't because I risk to get my car blown up for no reason if I leave it behind? Plus, a car that costs arround a million dollars to assemble should have some unique features, even if it lacks an hot tub. Again, although I love my Faction, I accept his fate of dying in ashes all the time, I'm just showing you how ridiculous your point is going on a game players are allowed to freely to what they want. It can totally be annoying, but is that such a big offence to you to justify all of this?

Im sorry wut? Are you seriously trying to compare a yacht to a car? Use all the colorful language you want the core of your argument is still nonsense.

 

We're not entitled to anything but if something isnt designed right we can make noise with the intention of things changing. An example of a super petty thing being changed for convenience is the passanger option to cars, which you care so very much about. Remember when there was no passanger option? It was either everyone, no one, friends... I remember I set it to no one, but there were times on missions a random wouldnt have a car and... UGH SO ANNOYING!!! I actually had to go into the interaction menu and like omg... set it to everyone so he could get in. And once the mission was over he would kill me then jack my car and... OMG SO ANNOYING... I actually had to go back into the interaction menu and set it aaallllll the way back to no one so my car would stop uugghhh!

 

/sarcasm

 

But you see R* loves you car enthusiasts and gave you the passanger option so you wouldn't ever be troubled by such petty, simple things. Was there a solution back then? Yep. Was it easily fixed? Yep. Should the option have been there from the start? Fukin obviously.

 

Does it make sense for squeaker king 420 and his posse of 6th graders to climb aboard my yacht after ive destroyed their hydra, buzzard and killed them dozens of times as they approach demanding to be let on? They're defeated and passive mode is literlly all they can do to get under my skin. But nah... this is online in a public session and everything should be available to everyone. Except of course your precious vehicles and apartments.

[darkgreenmeme]

What happens when you direct the Merryweather Backup helicopter to protect the yacht?

[Robaldinio]

Surely this is finally the best opportunity ever to use a Merryweather airstrike? I wonder if you could even throw the flare down and then enter the cabin?

[Shaytan]

 

But can't the yachts hot tubs allow 4 (?) people to sit in? Are you that fat you won't fit in? Sorry the joke but that was the first thing that came to my head after reading your last sentence. You feel like you have all the right to feel mad because some dude is using your hot tub or doing the wank animation at your face, but I can't because I risk to get my car blown up for no reason if I leave it behind? Plus, a car that costs arround a million dollars to assemble should have some unique features, even if it lacks an hot tub. Again, although I love my Faction, I accept his fate of dying in ashes all the time, I'm just showing you how ridiculous your point is going on a game players are allowed to freely to what they want. It can totally be annoying, but is that such a big offence to you to justify all of this?

Game players are freely allowed to do what they want until Rockstar limits them doing so. That's a ridiculous argument on its face. For all the game's freedoms, it is loaded with limitations - and a lot of them are specifically there to prevent you from annoying and griefing other players too much. You can't follow someone into their apartment if they don't want you to, for instance. You can't rob the place while they sleep. You can't break into their bank account and steal their money. You can't steal personal vehicles permanently - a setting will even prevent you from driving them around without permission. You can blow them up instead, but there are multiple penalties for doing so: insurance costs and bad sport points. There are cooldowns on practically everything. On and on and on.

 

The annoyance of randoms on yachts is relatively minor, but I still think it should be fixed. And since the yacht access setting doesn't appear to do anything, I feel like it might just be a bug, not even an intentional design choice.

 

If they don't want to keep randoms off my yacht, they should at least let me have a setting to force passive mode off so I can deal with the riffraff my way. Then just fix the OTHER little problem, where anyone killed on your yacht spawns right back on it 2/3 of the time, and I can deal. At least give me one small way to discourage the trolls.

I just think you're overreacting to the whole situation, you suggested an invisible wall arround the yachts, to me that's so nonsense like you're saying you have the right no also own it's surrounding area. I suggested earlier on this topic 2 far better ideas on how to prevent people to get in your yacht, before taking things to the extreme of asking to be able to get you and your property closed on a bubble.

Im sorry wut? Are you seriously trying to compare a yacht to a car? Use all the colorful language you want the core of your argument is still nonsense.

 

We're not entitled to anything but if something isnt designed right we can make noise with the intention of things changing. An example of a super petty thing being changed for convenience is the passanger option to cars, which you care so very much about. Remember when there was no passanger option? It was either everyone, no one, friends... I remember I set it to no one, but there were times on missions a random wouldnt have a car and... UGH SO ANNOYING!!! I actually had to go into the interaction menu and like omg... set it to everyone so he could get in. And once the mission was over he would kill me then jack my car and... OMG SO ANNOYING... I actually had to go back into the interaction menu and set it aaallllll the way back to no one so my car would stop uugghhh!

 

/sarcasm

 

But you see R* loves you car enthusiasts and gave you the passanger option so you wouldn't ever be troubled by such petty, simple things. Was there a solution back then? Yep. Was it easily fixed? Yep. Should the option have been there from the start? Fukin obviously.

 

Does it make sense for squeaker king 420 and his posse of 6th graders to climb aboard my yacht after ive destroyed their hydra, buzzard and killed them dozens of times as they approach demanding to be let on? They're defeated and passive mode is literlly all they can do to get under my skin. But nah... this is online in a public session and everything should be available to everyone. Except of course your precious vehicles and apartments.

Although I am a car enthusiast and I am aware there isn't much to complain since Rockstar actually created multiple measures to protect PVs, you clearly missed the point of what I said. I was making an example of something I made clear I don't defend, imo it would be just as senseless to ask for an invisible wall arround the yachts as it was already suggested here, as if I asked the same thing for a car, arguing I also couldn't fully enjoy it because of the "trolls". That was all that I meant with my last posts.

[Nutduster]

 

 

Game players are freely allowed to do what they want until Rockstar limits them doing so. That's a ridiculous argument on its face. For all the game's freedoms, it is loaded with limitations - and a lot of them are specifically there to prevent you from annoying and griefing other players too much. You can't follow someone into their apartment if they don't want you to, for instance. You can't rob the place while they sleep. You can't break into their bank account and steal their money. You can't steal personal vehicles permanently - a setting will even prevent you from driving them around without permission. You can blow them up instead, but there are multiple penalties for doing so: insurance costs and bad sport points. There are cooldowns on practically everything. On and on and on.

 

The annoyance of randoms on yachts is relatively minor, but I still think it should be fixed. And since the yacht access setting doesn't appear to do anything, I feel like it might just be a bug, not even an intentional design choice.

 

If they don't want to keep randoms off my yacht, they should at least let me have a setting to force passive mode off so I can deal with the riffraff my way. Then just fix the OTHER little problem, where anyone killed on your yacht spawns right back on it 2/3 of the time, and I can deal. At least give me one small way to discourage the trolls.

I just think you're overreacting to the whole situation, you suggested an invisible wall arround the yachts, to me that's so nonsense like you're saying you have the right no also own it's surrounding area. I suggested earlier on this topic 2 far better ideas on how to prevent people to get in your yacht, before taking things to the extreme of asking to be able to get you and your property closed on a bubble.

 

 

I don't think you actually understood the post you're referring to. Go re-read it please. I was just listing several POSSIBLE ways to deal with it; they're not my suggestions, just a list of ways I can imagine them handling the issue to avoid it being a programming nightmare. Then I explicitly said that the one I preferred (my actual suggestion) was having a Merryweather security team on board that deals with intruders. I made a whole thread about that idea a while ago, long before this thread existed.

[Jehannum]

 

 

Now: it might be ridiculous to expect to be left alone in a public session, except for the fact that...

1. Apartments and houses are invitation only already

2. Personal vehicles can be set to invitation only

 

etc.

 

If you live in an apartment I can land on your roof and muck about.

 

If you have a car I can stand on your roof and muck about.

 

If you have a yacht I can be on your top deck and muck about.