The reason why you hate sharkcards?

[Eggobites90]

I am begging R* to charge me $5 per month so I can afford a yacht with fewer than 40 hours of efficient mission playing.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Eggobites90

[Shneb]

Didnt read the entire thread but I think it needs to be said.I hate shark cards because of the direction its taking us videogamers in as whole.Its only the start of microtrannys now, but where are we headed now that R* realize the "Fanboyz&girlz" will eat up every poo they do??Typical answer: "games being made half-ass" so they can add the good stuff later on at a premium price.Too late, thats already happening now. So then what?All I know is, your gonna need a credit card just to "enjoy" all videogames soon and thats sad.I dont hate how sharkcards work, I hate that its going to take the FUN(the reason I play) and turn it into work(ingame) or pay(realife) just to play the game.When a REAL money value is attached to a average time to grind ingame and you realize its easier to just pay real money then to grind, that ruins a game IMHO. I know that they are not forced on us. But I cant see R* ever dropping microtrannys soon.Its easy to see what R* did. They did some market research, worked out that the funnest thing everybody loves bout GTAs(3D era) is the FREEROAM with friends. So they made the same as GTAIV(pre-greed) but with everything costing your either real money or real life(work) hours. And it worked.P.s. I would rather paid DLCs like GTAIV then microtrannys. Oh and I mean actual DLC like GTAIV.90% of people on this forum dont understand that the phrase "DLC" and the phrase "Mandatory Updates" are separate things.R* HAVE NEVER SAID THE PHRASE "DLC" on any extra content for a reason, its not the proper term. Its called a Update.

Maybe you don't know what DLC is. You download it, it's content, therefore it's DLC. Not every update is mandatory. Patches are what you're thinking of. Updates frequently add content. Content we'd probably be paying for without sharkcards. The updates have added a lot of game changing stuff over the years and it's all been free. DLC that offers a lot less has cost a lot more in past games.

 

I don't want paid DLC. If that was the way it worked, I'd probably have to pay over a hundred dollars to get everything in this game. But I've only paid the purchase price. Shark cards are just shortcuts but not necessary.

[tjor24]

In general it's microtransactions which usually create a shortcut that upsets the balance of competitiveness. However GTA has been a glitch fest since launch. There never was balance. That's why everyone blows up your T20 without hesitation. Yes, they also cost a lot, so there's that beef. But in a perfect world you don't want them cheap where everybody has 10 million $. Since they sell, there's no reason for R* to lower the prices.

[Seenzy]

Shark Cards are just status quo for the industry now. 99% of games out there that are AAA titles will have some form of this. As a massive game studio, if you didn't take advantage of this your investors would have your ass.

 

Where it truly, irreversibly becomes an issue is when Pay-To-Win shows up. Currently, every single game item can be obtained through gameplay and as long as that's the case, I see no problem with Shark Cards whatsoever.

[LukeMayhem]

 

Didnt read the entire thread but I think it needs to be said.

Considering there are very valid points/reasons already stated in this topic, that counter pretty much every point you've made in that post. If you had read the posts, then you would realize how silly it is to post those views since it's already been discussed, such as Shark Cards are for those that don't have time to grind, & allow such busy people to have access to the content. They still have to unlock the items, but if they don't have the time in their lives to spend hours grinding to purchase said unlocked content, the cards are an alternative. For example it doesn't matter if you grind or simply buy the required amount of GTA $ for the Savage, you have to complete the Heist to unlock it regardless. Same with the Sniper Rifles, etc with ranking up.

 

"still have to Unlock the items" thats not true.

Im "silly" because its already been discussed, aw well sorry but I dont give a f%&k. Its a forum, get used to it.

Your post seems pointless, yes we know why ppl buy shark cards and if you have been playing since launch you would of realized that buying a tank at Rank 1 with sharkcard money is possible with out unlocking anything.

[LCPDOfficer#35]

I stop buying for 6 months now.

 

I only find them useful when I need quick money.

[LukeMayhem]

 

Didnt read the entire thread but I think it needs to be said.I hate shark cards because of the direction its taking us videogamers in as whole.Its only the start of microtrannys now, but where are we headed now that R* realize the "Fanboyz&girlz" will eat up every poo they do??Typical answer: "games being made half-ass" so they can add the good stuff later on at a premium price.Too late, thats already happening now. So then what?All I know is, your gonna need a credit card just to "enjoy" all videogames soon and thats sad.I dont hate how sharkcards work, I hate that its going to take the FUN(the reason I play) and turn it into work(ingame) or pay(realife) just to play the game.When a REAL money value is attached to a average time to grind ingame and you realize its easier to just pay real money then to grind, that ruins a game IMHO. I know that they are not forced on us. But I cant see R* ever dropping microtrannys soon.Its easy to see what R* did. They did some market research, worked out that the funnest thing everybody loves bout GTAs(3D era) is the FREEROAM with friends. So they made the same as GTAIV(pre-greed) but with everything costing your either real money or real life(work) hours. And it worked.P.s. I would rather paid DLCs like GTAIV then microtrannys. Oh and I mean actual DLC like GTAIV.90% of people on this forum dont understand that the phrase "DLC" and the phrase "Mandatory Updates" are separate things.R* HAVE NEVER SAID THE PHRASE "DLC" on any extra content for a reason, its not the proper term. Its called a Update.

Maybe you don't know what DLC is. You download it, it's content, therefore it's DLC. Not every update is mandatory. Patches are what you're thinking of. Updates frequently add content. Content we'd probably be paying for without sharkcards. The updates have added a lot of game changing stuff over the years and it's all been free. DLC that offers a lot less has cost a lot more in past games.

 

I don't want paid DLC. If that was the way it worked, I'd probably have to pay over a hundred dollars to get everything in this game. But I've only paid the purchase price. Shark cards are just shortcuts but not necessary.

 

Every update IS MANDATORY

[PvTails]

I never bought any sharkcards and yet I have millions for grinding and completing the Pacific Standard job.

 

I bought almost every Pegasus vehicle (including the yacht) with plenty of money to spare.

 

Also I think shark cards is a better alternative than paying the content updates instead. (Looking at you EA)

 

the only dlc I'll pay for is Single player dlc

Edited January 6, 2016 by PvTails

[Rabid Vulpix]

 

 

Didnt read the entire thread but I think it needs to be said.

Considering there are very valid points/reasons already stated in this topic, that counter pretty much every point you've made in that post. If you had read the posts, then you would realize how silly it is to post those views since it's already been discussed, such as Shark Cards are for those that don't have time to grind, & allow such busy people to have access to the content. They still have to unlock the items, but if they don't have the time in their lives to spend hours grinding to purchase said unlocked content, the cards are an alternative. For example it doesn't matter if you grind or simply buy the required amount of GTA $ for the Savage, you have to complete the Heist to unlock it regardless. Same with the Sniper Rifles, etc with ranking up.

 

"still have to Unlock the items" thats not true.

Im "silly" because its already been discussed, aw well sorry but I dont give a f%&k. Its a forum, get used to it.

Your post seems pointless, yes we know why ppl buy shark cards and if you have been playing since launch you would of realized that buying a tank at Rank 1 with sharkcard money is possible with out unlocking anything.

 

 

"Im "silly" because its already been discussed, aw well sorry but I dont give a f%&k. Its a forum, get used to it."

Oh I am use to it, just figured you understood to read through posts before you make a comment on something that's already likely been discussed.

So yes, I'm used to seeing that type of obnoxious behavior on forums.

 

 

"buying a tank at Rank 1 with sharkcard money is possible with out unlocking anything."

Actually if I recall, you have to reach a certain rank to access the Rhino (lvl 70). So you do have to unlock it via rank.

To top it off, the Rhino isn't even OP, so yeah bad example there.

Unless your speaking of a glitch....which then why the f*ck would you be bashing on Shark Cards being the easy way, & not ranting on glitching?

Edited January 6, 2016 by Foreverpast

[Shneb]

 

 

Didnt read the entire thread but I think it needs to be said.I hate shark cards because of the direction its taking us videogamers in as whole.Its only the start of microtrannys now, but where are we headed now that R* realize the "Fanboyz&girlz" will eat up every poo they do??Typical answer: "games being made half-ass" so they can add the good stuff later on at a premium price.Too late, thats already happening now. So then what?All I know is, your gonna need a credit card just to "enjoy" all videogames soon and thats sad.I dont hate how sharkcards work, I hate that its going to take the FUN(the reason I play) and turn it into work(ingame) or pay(realife) just to play the game.When a REAL money value is attached to a average time to grind ingame and you realize its easier to just pay real money then to grind, that ruins a game IMHO. I know that they are not forced on us. But I cant see R* ever dropping microtrannys soon.Its easy to see what R* did. They did some market research, worked out that the funnest thing everybody loves bout GTAs(3D era) is the FREEROAM with friends. So they made the same as GTAIV(pre-greed) but with everything costing your either real money or real life(work) hours. And it worked.P.s. I would rather paid DLCs like GTAIV then microtrannys. Oh and I mean actual DLC like GTAIV.90% of people on this forum dont understand that the phrase "DLC" and the phrase "Mandatory Updates" are separate things.R* HAVE NEVER SAID THE PHRASE "DLC" on any extra content for a reason, its not the proper term. Its called a Update.

Maybe you don't know what DLC is. You download it, it's content, therefore it's DLC. Not every update is mandatory. Patches are what you're thinking of. Updates frequently add content. Content we'd probably be paying for without sharkcards. The updates have added a lot of game changing stuff over the years and it's all been free. DLC that offers a lot less has cost a lot more in past games.I don't want paid DLC. If that was the way it worked, I'd probably have to pay over a hundred dollars to get everything in this game. But I've only paid the purchase price. Shark cards are just shortcuts but not necessary.

Every update IS MANDATORYSo basically the DLC is mandatory. It's still DLC. A lot of MMOs add some content to their mandatory updates. Said content is still DLC. It's like that.

 

If they had the business model of older games those updates would just have bug fixes and not the content they come with.

[TeammateHelper]

On your left, a thread where OP is fine with shark cards.

[Rabid Vulpix]

On your left, a thread where OP is fine with shark cards.

 

I needed that laugh today.

[GKPunk]

Don't really mind sharkcards, never needed them. They are the reason we get free DLCs.

[Eggobites90]

Yeah...free. Except for those dozens of hours of playing jobs you have played countless times before to be able to afford the in-game price.

 

I'd much rather pay a subscription. If $60 for a shark card doesn't make me Bill Gates of GTA then it's not worth it.

[Rt001]

Unfortunately, these sort of things are becoming a norm. People are rolling their eyes and saying "that's just the games industry" more often. People are actually accepting it more often. Some people even like things like shark cards, in some hilarious feat of ignorance.

 

It's unfortunate. It is. And in a way I don't blame them, I imagine it can be hard for some people to dislike something that, at a glance, looks like a totally reasonable part of game design. You can grind, or you can pay. If you don't want to pay, you can grind, and vice versa. It's entirely optional, nobody has to do it, and there's nothing you can only buy with shark cards, and it supports the developers and free DLC.

 

That's a flawless, perfect system, right?

 

People do think that. And again, it's unfortunate and a little sad. But they don't really understand how the world works, and it's not really worth the effort explaining it to them. I'm glad it's still a debate, though. I'm glad people are still talking about it instead of blindly allowing it to exist.

Excuse me, but what are you even talking about? What is your point here? That people who like shark cards are ignorant?

 

Are you presenting an argument against micro-transactions? Because to me it seems they've been done rather well here, they don't shove them in your face, they don't force you to buy fhem. They exist as a shortcut for those people that want them. It would also appear that every content update/DLC released for this game since release has been free.

 

That last paragraph of yours to me seems to be talking in circles. Help me understand.

[Eggobites90]

Shark cards are a shortcut around a problem they create.

 

If R* didn't have shark cards to sell, they would have considerably less of an incentive to make items expensive, thus no need for a shortcut.

[VanessaMagick]

what? If your trying to suggest removing shark cards because it "doesn't support the developers" then your crazy. Are you one of those anti-capitalists who think all shark cards among other things are just so rich people can get richer? or are you a different kind of stupid? ( before you get all mad I only said stupid as a joke)

 

Enlighten me as well as others why is it that shark cards don't support developers?

 

 

It does support the developers. A company who rakes in the billions, sells one of the biggest franchises in the history of gaming? Not some starving indie dev that really needs your support? You can spend $1000 on shark cards and nobody at Rockstar will care, that's chump change to them. And yet people still see shark cards as a way to donate to Rockstar. Which is obviously silly because you already bought the game, probably multiple times, in the first place.

[Shneb]

Shark cards are a shortcut around a problem they create.

If R* didn't have shark cards to sell, they would have considerably less of an incentive to make items expensive, thus no need for a shortcut.

What do you expect? Single player prices?

[Eggobites90]

Perhaps not that low, but not $1 mil for a lowrider.

[dzian]

Where it truly, irreversibly becomes an issue is when Pay-To-Win shows up. Currently, every single game item can be obtained through gameplay and as long as that's the case, I see no problem with Shark Cards whatsoever.

They already are pay to win. Yes you can obtain items within the game but it takes a hugely disproportionate amount of time in relation to the cost. to do so... thus your pushed to pay.

 

Having an item obtainable without paying does not mean a game isn't pay to win. Especially when the non paying option so so disproportionate to the cost option.

 

Cash cards are cheap as he'll when you consider the in game time to aquire an equal sum.

[redman7771red17]

I don't hate them because they let suckers pay for everyone's content but microtransactions for the most part just give shady companies more room to implement stupid stuff in their games at the players expense.

 

GTA 5 has plenty of BS to show this like the fact that the faster you get a job done the lesser your reward will be which makes no sense in any context. You are literally punished for being efficient. Rockstar didn't even try to mask this artificially time stretching sh*t, it's disgusting and incredibly lazy.

The update that PURPOSELY BROKE THE ENEMY A.I

The replay button is inactive if you successfully finished a job. This is just stupid. What if someone genuinely enjoys specific jobs? Again they just want to create some stupid kind of cool down timer, totally unnecessary, MMOs don't even do this.

In game items are grossly overpriced and too many things are just rehashes because they needed to pump out filler content. Also causes slight balance issues like how they handle body armor. That shouldn't cost a fee at the start of missions.

The death fees..

 

Mass effect 3 seems to be the only game that got this right.

Edited January 6, 2016 by redman7771red17

[BlaringFiddle]

 

The death fees..

 

what death fees?

[Furry_Monkey]

The reason I dislike shark cards is that R* has incentive to make items more expensive and make earning money take longer THAN IT WOULD WITHOUT SHARK CARDS.

 

Yes technically this game and the added content is free...but personally I would gladly pay $5 or less a month and have a Hydra be $500,000.

 

What about the people that can't afford to pay for DLC? They'd not be able to play online any more. At best they'd be segregated from their friends, but we all know Rockstar wouldn't split the player base up for fear of breaking every other aspect of the game.

 

Also, can you please show proof that Rockstar have made items more expensive because of shark cards? This sounds like more of your assumption and broken logic. I bet you're one of those people that can't understand how someone can say "I always tell a lie".

Edited January 6, 2016 by Furry_Monkey

[BatFerYou]

So much logic bypass here.

 

A game that costs $60 and the maximum shark card amount is 40% more expensive than the game at $100.

 

 

No. 40% of $60 is 24. Learn to math before you rant online.

 

Delete the percentage character and put a $ before the 40 and we'll forget this ever happened.

 

Gotta respect the desperate cocksuckers that spend all their earnings on this sh*t.

 

You are the reason DLCs are free so good on you.

Oh yeah. But you're being a bit harsh for 2 reasons that come to mind right now:

 

1. not everyone has time to grind, but wants to try everything in the game. Ergo, this is a legit shortcut for them. Personally, I have no problem with that until I get spam-killed by squeakers with overpowered overpriced sh*t that their stupid parents bought cashcards to allow them to unlock. However, this only happened once, as I am scrupulous about what I do in the game. A sharkcard user is on the same level playing field as me in a deathmatch with locked weapons for instance.

 

2. Yes, cash cards probably incentivize further DLC to be created by R*, but bear in mind, this game, more that two years later, is still selling copies. A lot of new copies. Personally I've bought it twice, PS3 and 4. They are in it for the long run.

 

No need for name-calling. You paid for the game, so you sucked cock too.

 

 

But you're supposed to enjoy playing the same few dozen jobs hundreds of times!

It's a game! Game = fun no matter what!

; )

This. Forever this.

And paying to upgrade your character's cash balance because you just bought the game/console brand new last week, so you can get a supercar, customise it and increase your chances of winning in a custom supercar race against those of us who have had a customised supercar since 2013 doesn't bother me.

 

Having no one to play against bothers me.

 

I dislike cash grabs, especially blatant cash grabs. I already have everything I want in the game, but for people who like to buy every new thing that comes out they'd be disappointed with the pricing. A lot of next gen games have these blatant cash grabs and it's done because people are willing to give them the money, so it's basically making money on top of the the money made off the game.

You wouldn't say that if you were the seller of the product. Welcome to capitalism.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Oh yeah, open your minds. There are worse things in the World. Who is it who said ISIS buys cash cards? I doubt it, the Caliphate wants to return a 7th century lifestyle, they didn't even have SEGAs back then. Now THAT would suck.

[Laker23]

I've never bought one, probably would if they ever have a sale that makes them reasonable prices. That's my only real gripe with them, grossly expensive for an amount you can blow through pretty easily.

[dzian]

Also, can you please show proof that Rockstar have made items more expensive because of shark cards? This sounds like more of your assumption and broken logic. I bet you're one of those people that can't understand how someone can say "I always tell a lie".

The reason things are expensive online is that it was meant to be a long term game.

 

Players simply weren't meant to be buying million dollar cars, garages and apartments in there first couple of days.

 

It was meant to be something to build up to. You'd start low with a lil 2 car garage and slowly build up from there over time.

 

It was never meant to be a case of everyone's a millionaire / driving high end super cars on there second day.

Edited January 6, 2016 by dzian

[Arachne]

Remember those times where gaming was all about games? turns out that the times have changed and almost every videogame of this decade has to involve microtransactions.Wanna know what is the worst part? those games are said to be free to play,but in reality it's pay to win,you can't win unless you use your real money...

 

 

I'm actually glad that GTAO is one of the few games that actually doesn't force you to pay for anything in order to keep playing the game.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Arachne

[BatFerYou]

 

Also, can you please show proof that Rockstar have made items more expensive because of shark cards? This sounds like more of your assumption and broken logic. I bet you're one of those people that can't understand how someone can say "I always tell a lie".

The reason things are expensive online is that it was meant to be a long term game.

 

Players simply weren't meant to be buying million dollar cars, garages and apartments in there first couple of days.

 

It was meant to be something to build up to. You'd start low with a lil 2 car garage and slowly build up from there over time.

 

It was never meant to be a case of everyone's a millionaire on there second day.

 

 

Exactly. R*'s behaviour as "Governing Body" clearly demonstrates that they are trying to achieve balance.

 

Unfortunately, when you average out everything on a massive scale, you upset those with polar extreme views.

 

There are gameplayers vexed about not making enough money quick by their own means/preferred way of playing on one had and those using technical exploits to generate cash to try new/expensive content on the other.

 

I've been here since day one, had a lot of free time to play when the game first came out. If I hadn't taken several month breaks from GTA, I'd probably be a legit billionaire with a level 600 ranking or something. Any lobby full of squeakers that got a PS4 this Christmas would witch-hunt me as some kind of "hacker" the second I spawned in because most people can't perceive beyond their own stupid perception.

[..GhosT]

Who cares about shark cards?

Just join a few public lobbies if you want cash.

[Furry_Monkey]

Any lobby full of squeakers that got a PS4 this Christmas would witch-hunt me as some kind of "hacker" the second I spawned in because most people can't perceive beyond their own stupid perception.

 

 

I've had that a surprising number of times since Christmas, and I'm only rank 280 something.