[PS4] GTA V Time Trials

[Creme_Brulee]

3 milliseconds off verstappen's time, phew.

[Verstappen]

 

I though off-roads were dissallowed?

 

Who wins the hipster award though?

Edited August 16, 2016 by Verstappen

[doubleg213]

Also now that Braulio has posted so we have a new page.

 

I'm having to start thinking about next year as well as there are a few issues which I need to address.

 

1: The Last Gen / Current Gen issue.

 

Creating something which feels new on PS3 is getting harder and harder. I have a shed load of ideas for tracks around Mirror Park for instance and it's ideal for Time Trials with the bumps and mixture of corners etc. However I'm conscious of rounds starting to feel very samey and things possibly becoming repetitive. Plus it's also holding us back because we don't have the new props and have to limit car choice for PS4 and PC as well.

 

2: Getting any tracks made using new props etc. to be accurate between PS4 and PC.

 

If PS3 was cut adrift I'd be unsure of just how accurate we can get things between PS4 and PC, obviously on a track based solely on the props and using snapping etc. anything should easily be identical. However if tracks used the props to expand on or joining the existing roads then we may end up with some disparity between the two.

 

I may need to experiment on this with a non championship round before the year is out.

 

It may well balance out and you may get some rounds where one platform gains a little but it should even out over the year or it could be so negligible that I am really showing concern over nothing.

 

Rockstar don't seem to see any value in jobs being shared across platforms which is a crying shame as it would be brilliant to be able to publish the job on PS4 and it be available on Xbone and PC and identical.

 

3: Getting the results side easier / faster.

 

I'm going to speak with Admins and see if it's possible to get my own section within the Events forum and the ability to create locked threads myself, so I can leave the archived results there etc. which is what I was wanting to do all along. Likewise the current standings, this would hopefully mean a situation where I simply update my web server with new images and then the posts are all updated. The existing thread would then basically be a discussion thread, with the other information included separately.

 

However this would all be depending on forum staff being OK with it and if permissions could be set along those lines.

 

Summary based on above

 

Basically I'm debating whether next year becomes a next gen only setup and possibly going a bit further only a PS4 or PC thing.

 

Or in even simpler terms whether I cut back on some areas to make the overall thing better but potentially at the expense of losing a few people. The old quality vs quantity argument.

 

Alternatively we go with a Next Gen and a Cross Platform setup. So Next Gen has it's own championship but we have some PS3 based tracks which can be run by everyone.

 

Irrespective of the above I'm already thinking along the lines of cutting to 3 seasons, less rounds but hopefully with things working a bit better.

 

All of the above is also reliant on me checking user figures for each platform as well. Part of the original idea when I did this last year as just a Van Society event was as a means of giving members across different platforms and time zones a means of competing without all being online together. Any of those changes remove that basis completely.

 

 

TLDR

 

Considering making some big changes next year.

Edited August 16, 2016 by doubleg213

[catmandoza]

good work G man. I'll take 13th after only 10 laps in the zion

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

I'm buzzing I got 10th....

 

I did about 40 laps and I thought it was nowhere near enough!

[doubleg213]

 

I though off-roads were dissallowed?

 

Who wins the hipster award though?

 

No I just banned specific ones and I missed the Hot Rod Blazer when I did the list.

 

 

Sorry I missed Hipster on my results post, monkb4skunk takes the Hipster award for having the car I like most which also happens to not be all that competitive.

Edited August 16, 2016 by doubleg213

[Dock]

Not at all surprised with my position, I didn't get much time to put around the track this time, but Ill raring to go for the next congrats to everyone else

 

And with regards to the changes, the addition of the recent stunt stuff just adds even more creative and challenging elements that could be implemented, along with the improved vehicle choices as you mentioned, if the switch were made to the CG/PC version. Its your call, doubleG.

 

The idea of having your own forum section is great though, could potentially bring even more competitors and attention to the TT.

[JuniorChubb]

Congrats to Fido

 

An extra congrats to Quadro and Andy with their Zion times.

 

Thanks for another great round DubG, gutted I didn't put more effort into this round, damned creator has just swept me off to another dimension since the CS DLC.

[Quadro]

f*ck me Andy. What are you putting in your cereal to get a time in the Zion like that?

 

Congrats to the top 3. Happy with a 5th in PB - I think its my highest placing? - nope I got a 5th sometime as well.

 

In regards to next year - I believe that Old Gen needs to be shelved in order to produced more exciting and having the ability with the CG creator and the stunt additions, it seems like the final nail in the coffin. I have also heard that CG and OG have a difference in top speed, which could hamper true results. I think there was a debate on PBMO's kik about this a few weeks ago.

 

CG and PC placement of props could be done so precisely with the advanced position menu that it negates any issues with tracks not being exactly the same.

 

I love the idea of the time trials getting its own sub forum to organize and operate out of. I can't see admins giving you mod rights, but for locks and stuff, you can always report your post and they will lock it for you and clean up posts you don't want at the same time. Also, if you were to set up the excel sheet on a google doc, then you could have others help you in doing the time trials, eliminating the huge workload on your plate and having a 2nd opinion on things always helps. Attach that to a embed in the thread of choice and like you said, you won't have to do double handling with pictures and updates anymore.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Quadro

[Creme_Brulee]

f*ck me Andy. What are you putting in your cereal to get a time in the Zion like that?

 

I have also heard that CG and OG have a difference in top speed, which could hamper true results.

PC's ability to run the game at 60 fps means they get quicker lap times. That partially answers your first question and means that even removing LG there'd still be "hampered" results.

Don't get me wrong though I'm all for not allowing LG next year.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Braulioaej

[doubleg213]

Not necessarily as we saw with round 1 which was largely dominated by PS3 players in the Osiris rather than next gen getting any boosts or gaining because the T20 spoiler actually works.

 

The difference comes from the PC cars picking up speed a little faster, but this also comes at a price because you have to brake earlier and you also can't be on the power as early sometimes because the car will react and step out of line and lose you time. I found them horrendous to drive when I first got the PC version, understeering into every corner because I was carrying a bit more speed and then big slides and losing time on exit because the thing was reacting faster so stepped sideways.

 

One of the NoDo PC guys ran some tests with locked frame rates, 30 fps and 60 fps showed consistent lap times both within thousandths of each other. The big jump is if you go to frame rates higher than that, which is why a lot of the NoDo PC events now impose a 60fps cap.

 

The RE-7B 180mph + thing is a whole different matter, but that's a glitch rather than the game working faster.

Edited August 17, 2016 by doubleg213

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

I find the 30 vs 60 fps debate doesn't make the huge difference people suggests it does.... There is a little difference, but the times are, at most, only quarter seconds, not whole seconds, especially since this was a short lap at just around a minute.

[Creme_Brulee]

Never did I say it was such a huge difference and the understeer is just a matter of getting used to. We don't know how high their frame rate is so we don't know how big of a difference it could have made either. My point was that there will never really be true consistency between platforms.

 

On LG if it's only the top speed that is affected then it wouldnt make such a huge difference either on half the tracks that were used, only those that had rather long straights or high speed sections in general.

[Retired Mafia]

So who in paleto bay is addicted to fire hydrants? There's soo many of them.

 

 

On the future of the time trials; as a last gen player i still believe this should continue to become CG and PC only. This can be sooo much better with the new props.

[Quadro]

So who in paleto bay is addicted to fire hydrants? There's soo many of them.

Good fun jumping into them on foot as well. Lol.

 

Pre update, I would say leave the guys in, but the new content just opens up a lot of possibilities for you to do maps that were just a couple of props short, or that track that needed a prop from the stunt selection.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Quadro

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

I do agree it's time for the TT's to evolve....

[JuniorChubb]

I do agree it's time for the TT's to evolve....

...into the Titties?

[Quadro]

 

I do agree it's time for the TT's to evolve....

...into the Titties?

Perhaps Ms LS can be the official grid girl?

[doubleg213]

Next round details will be up this afternoon.

 

This week has been ridiculous but once I've got this mornings deliveries out of the way I'll get everything sorted.

[bryce_bubbles]

Just out of curiosity, how many people submitted a time in the Paleto Bay TT? Is 28 the total?

Edited August 18, 2016 by bryce_bubbles

[doubleg213]

Yes, it's been the quietest round since the first two.

 

We're normally around the 30 mark and have had 67 or so people do at least one round.

[bryce_bubbles]

Oh ok. I hadn't heard of it before this round. I'll try to compete from now on though to represent my crew. #paletostrong :-)

[doubleg213]

Round 11 details are now on page 1.

 

Having ventured into PS3 creator this morning just to check a couple of things it is absolutely awful to use. I had the basic layout of this track done months ago, go in to tidy barriers etc. and make sure checkpoints line up and it just feels so unwieldy.

 

Also how do people feel about switching to email submissions in future, rather than PM on here an email with the picture attached?

Edited August 18, 2016 by doubleg213

[Creme_Brulee]

I imagine most people would rather keep their emails private. I personally dont mind but PMs are more convenient for me.

[JuniorChubb]

Also how do people feel about switching to email submissions in future, rather than PM on here an email with the picture attached?

Email is good for me but as Brau says there may be privacy issues with some people.

 

If you go PS4 only next year would PSN messages be an option as I know you are not keen on them atm?

[Retired Mafia]

Email would be a no for me

 

 

 

I do agree it's time for the TT's to evolve....

...into the Titties?

Perhaps Ms LS can be the official grid girl?

I was joker to win even more now

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

2nd Sept deadline? DAMN!

I'm on holiday from next Friday for a week, so I better get to it to get my time submitted.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Uncle Sikee Atric

[no_snacks]

 

Also how do people feel about switching to email submissions in future, rather than PM on here an email with the picture attached?

 

I find the PM system easier, as it keeps everything related to this thread in one place. Plus, I'm old (technology scares me) and don't really have a proper email account - just a couple Gmail/Hotmail accounts to let me sign up to various sites - I've probably only sent 2 or 3 proper emails in my entire life.

 

Just on the Last Gen vs Current Gen topic. We have a situation for this round that kind of bugs me. Most of us on CG have sold our Huntley S or Baller LE, as there's been two updates recently that have given us much faster SUVs. Now we'll have to spend over $300,000 to repurchase and modify one of those "slow" cars just for this trial. No big deal if you've got the $$$, but sucks a bit for those who don't. Basically, next time we run custom Supers, I'll need to spend about $2,000,000 on a last gen T20 or Osiris as I've recently sold them too. It's a problem that's going to get worse with every update and just causes more problems and headaches trying to keep everything equal across all platforms.

[Dock]

^ well half the fun in TTs is setting up new cars to the specifications of the track (imho anyway), but I see your point.

 

If you are hurting for money then find a few buds or reliable folk and do the Pacific Standard finale glitch over and over, you should be set for a while with that.

[Quadro]

Racing ain't cheap unfortunately