Where do we stand? A message to designers.

[Rytuklis]

So...

It's 2016 already. In my personal life, a lot has happened - I turned 18, I got a drivers license, I got a car, and ofcourse, I can finally buy Vodka on my own .

 

Anyhow, when it comes to DYOM, I cannot say the same. I come from 2011's period of DYOM. I remember back then, it was thriving. The projects that were made were worth attention and like 80 percent of them were actually quality ones. You would enjoy playing them, as they were original and had atleast minimal effort put into it. We also were not abandoned by the DYOM developers like we are now. New features kept being introduced, and people actually had the hype to wait for something, rather than being left in the dark.

 

Now, DYOM feels abandoned. There are like two-three veteran designers remaining, and Secronom, who, sadly, no longer even designs anymore. We haven't heard from the developers of the mod for quite some time and, I am afraid, will not hear anytime soon. Good quality designers are abandoning the mod, while, I am sorry to say it, but it's true, "designers" from third world countries who can barely mutter a word in English have taken over, creating overused, boring, hardly understandable mission packs that get cancelled after two-three missions are released. I see maybe two-three mission packs worth any attention in the first page of the Mission Showroom. They fail to intergrate with the rest of DYOM, mostly being immersed in this little inner circle of their own, playing each others missions and telling each other how good the others are.

 

What has to be done? The mission pack section has to become regulated. I would be in favor of introducing the rule that there should be no topic unless atleast one chapter of the project with 5-8 missions is ready for release. That way designers would be forced to stick to their project, rather than releasing a mission or two, and then abandoning it to create another spam "mission pack".

 

The next thing is the maturity of DYOM. It's sad to see that we're now overrun by 10 year olds. And no, being a ten year old is not a bad thing, we all were one at one point (I started DYOM when I was twelve), but acting like a ten year old- that's another story. Those "designers" are acting like children, erupting flame wars and seek for attention by doing the stupidest sh*t possible ("cough" dyomek "cough"). The fact that everyone reacts so much over some overweight no-lifer kid with an asthma condition, having nothing better to do than create fake accounts and post offensive sh*t in the DYOM website, just shows how much of a f*cking child everyone is. But what can we do about it? Put an age limit to DYOM? I would love it, but it will never happen.

 

So, what can we do?

 

What I am offering is for every single old/veteran or expierienced designer to return to designing. We have quite a few designers here that are veteran, but choose to do side activities rather than design, for example, Andrej and Secronom President. I am aware that SatournFan and Jimmy Lepard lurk the forums from time to time too, and that Lukas and Doublepulse haven't completely gave up on DYOM yet (they still claim Cold Year 2 will be made.... lol).

 

Come on guys, let's show these people what DYOM is supposed to be, stop slacking on your asses and get to work! We NEED you.

 

Now, for the new designers, please read the following:

 

STOP POSTING WORTHLESS CRAP. Do not spontanously open new mission pack topics, just to abandon them two missions later. Instead, before starting a project, plan the story in your head, make sure that you know how the story will progress and how will it end, otherwise I can guarantee you 100 percent that you will end up cancelling the project. My own greatest projects were made by precision planning and actually knowning the flow of the story and how will it end. From what I heard, Cold Year was made that way too.

 

Please, put effort into your missions. Try to make them fun and exciting, rather than putting them together in five minutes. I spend an hour, sometimes even two on ONE mission. You just cannot make a good mission in ten minutes.

 

Try to come up with something unique, rather than overused and boring.

Make your topics understandable and easy to read. You can request some graphical design in the GFX requests section. They will never turn you down.

 

Please do the said, and DYOM will be great again..

 

Thank you for those who took their time to read it.

 

For those who TL:DR'ed, f.. you, you're not worth our time.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Rytuklis

[General Scrotum]

What has to be done? The mission pack section has to become regulated. I would be in favor of introducing the rule that there should be no topic unless atleast one chapter of the project with 5-8 missions is ready for release. That way designers would be forced to stick to their project, rather than releasing a mission or two, and then abandoning it to create another spam "mission pack".

 

Did that in August 2012 - everybody cried and wanted my head.

[Rytuklis]

 

What has to be done? The mission pack section has to become regulated. I would be in favor of introducing the rule that there should be no topic unless atleast one chapter of the project with 5-8 missions is ready for release. That way designers would be forced to stick to their project, rather than releasing a mission or two, and then abandoning it to create another spam "mission pack".

 

Did that in August 2012 - everybody cried and wanted my head.

 

Let the children cry. We wont care.

[Alan Eastwood]

I get it, maybe DYOM will never be the same again but we can make the best of it as it is right now. That's why a returned because I didn't want to leave my (maybe) last mission pack hanging by herself. My missions are short ultimately but I spent a lot of time design it. Hope the others return too, 'cause I feel there is a lack of matureness and feedback over here, but I'm not a "check my mission pack SPAM" no, not anymore. There is that sheet of paper that's gone on this community and It needs to be fixed. I feel you, man. When I started designing my first mission pack "Gangster 4 Life" was critiziced by many people, doesen't matter if the critics were good or bad but they're paying attention, nowadays, none. Because there is a lack of interest and some people are getting bored of seeing the same thing.

 

I will try my best in this mission pack and maybe restore some hope.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Alan Eastwood

[theleoncj]

 

 

For those who TL:DR'ed, f.. you, you're not worth our time.

 

Ahhh crap, I'm not worth the time. Welp, GG, guys, was nice knowing you all.

 

[Super Shizuku]

I don't know why but you sounded like you complained like in few months ago until you make most of us freshmen feels angry towards you due to your "Being proud of yourself" behavior.

 

Just face it, it's hard to implement uniqueness in our own projects since most of those veterans designers had implemented them.

 

And you think I only spent 2 hours to make one challenging mission? No! I managed to create one in 3 or 4 days not only testing difficulties but also building concepts inside my mind. Believe me, without complete concept, you can never continue your works right?

 

All in all, how about you leave before more people angry at you? Nobody is forcing you to stay here anyway.

[Rytuklis]

I don't know why but you sounded like you complained like in few months ago until you make most of us freshmen feels angry towards you due to your "Being proud of yourself" behavior.

 

Just face it, it's hard to implement uniqueness in our own projects since most of those veterans designers had implemented them.

 

And you think I only spent 2 hours to make one challenging mission? No! I managed to create one in 3 or 4 days not only testing difficulties but also building concepts inside my mind. Believe me, without complete concept, you can never continue your works right?

 

All in all, how about you leave before more people angry at you? Nobody is forcing you to stay here anyway.

Why once again, people I do not even refer to are getting butthurt over something that is not even directed at them?

Do you consider yourself a 10 year old with an English knowledge less than that of a kindergarden age? Does not look like it, and neither do I, so I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, seek attention perhaps? IDK.

And no, I won't leave because you told me to. I want DYOM to be the same great thing it was when I started, and I'm not giving up just because you wish me to. You can either help me or stand aside.

 

 

 

For those who TL:DR'ed, f.. you, you're not worth our time.

 

Ahhh crap, I'm not worth the time. Welp, GG, guys, was nice knowing you all.

 

 

You know you read it you fapper -_-

Edited January 5, 2016 by Rytuklis

[KowalskiGuy]

Well, this was an interesting lecture. Now I'm watching Lukas and Rytis "discussing" on the Skype chat over it. (It stopped for now though)

 

Ahhh crap, I'm not worth the time. Welp, GG, guys, was nice knowing you all.

 

jk, I know you're at least trying to work on these things you're trying to work on.

 

And, uuuh...

 

overweight no-lifer kid with an asthma condition,

This description kinda applies to... me, but, uuuh...

Ah, forget it.

[Rytuklis]

Well, this was an interesting lecture. Now I'm watching Lukas and Rytis "discussing" on the Skype chat over it. (It stopped for now though)

 

Ahhh crap, I'm not worth the time. Welp, GG, guys, was nice knowing you all.

 

jk, I know you're at least trying to work on these things you're trying to work on.

 

And, uuuh...

 

overweight no-lifer kid with an asthma condition,

This description kinda applies to... me, but, uuuh...

Ah, forget it.

Umm... Oops. No offense tho, I love you Kowalski <3, I'd love you even more if you returned to designing.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Rytuklis

[The Odyssey]

I feel like I'm in a similar situation as you. (well, except for the fact I'm only 17. one more year until i can buy vodka lol) I discovered DYOM in late 2012 and started designing and playing Mission Packs in early 2013, and back then, yeah, the DYOM community was at a great spot. Really memorable mission packs (The Last of Us, The Platinum Circle, The Only Living Soul, The Flats) and real great people (Target13, Zizo, Jimmy, Notna, that guy who kept making accounts and getting banned for some reason) and now, yeah. there's been a decline in quality. I've felt this way for almost a year now. I love a thriving community, which is DYOM is right now imo, but I always prefer quality over quantity.

 

However, here's the problem - only recently have I felt a real passion for designing like I did back in 2012/2013. Not on the same level as late 2012/early 2013 but enough to motivate me to work on a mission pack. Back then, I had too much inspiration and ideas that my knowledge of DYOM couldn't keep up. So my missions, were um, sh*tty. By the time I had enough knowledge on DYOM and played plenty of missions, I couldn't enjoy designing as much as I use to and my stories felt very rushed and unispired, and I'd end up abandoning soon after committing myself to them. This was also around the time where I felt the DYOM community started to turn a bit stale. So I quit DYOM for a while. Once I returned and got a hang of the mod once again, I was ready to commit to designing missions, as I felt like I had a real passion for DYOM once more.

 

Basically, I can only imagine what it would be like if the community was like it once was, 2010-2013, with the knowledge I have of DYOM now and the passion I have comparable to my early days of DYOM. It would be great, and all it takes is a little community.

[O SHIT WADDAP?]

Alright, thank you for your advice.

[dyomek]

Look, i'm really friendly in my normal life, but when i see people flaming me for posting something, then i can get angry, you know?!

 

And Rytuklis, you're acting kinda unfair. 'stupidiest sh*t possible' it's an act of selfdefense, Mr. Genius boy! And you all started the sh*tposting, when i commented, where someone calls a 11 year old "fa**ot" and everybody starts with "OMG UR A KID, JUST LEAV DYUM, U FAG" "U R A CUTE BABEH" "U R NOT WANTD HERE, KID" "GO KIL URSELF, FAG, WORLD WIL BE BETR, KID", now, isn't that flaming and sh*tposting?

 

Oh, and cancelling projects over and over, is that i don't have time to make them, jesus f*cking christ!!!

 

And that Senior Designers are quitting DYOM, people have f*cking lives too, people get older and stop designing!

 

And n00b designers and pr0 designers and overused ideas, well everybody is allowed to make any project he wants

 

And also, Senior Designers are f*cking selfish, insulting and lecturing every newcomer, seriously, you wasted your time writing all that senseless sh*t, Rytuklis!

Edited January 5, 2016 by dyomek

[Rytuklis]

Look, i'm really friendly in my normal life, but when i see people flaming me for posting something, then i can get angry, you know?!

 

And Rytuklis, you're acting kinda unfair. 'stupidiest sh*t possible' it's an act of selfdefense, Mr. Genius boy! And you all started the sh*tposting, when i commented, where someone calls a 11 year old "fa**ot" and everybody starts with "OMG UR A KID, JUST LEAV DYUM, U FAG" "U R A CUTE BABEH" "U R NOT WANTD HERE, KID" "GO KIL URSELF, FAG, WORLD WIL BE BETR, KID", now, isn't that flaming and sh*tposting?

 

Oh, and cancelling projects over and over, is that i don't have time to make them, jesus f*cking christ!!!

 

And that Senior Designers are quitting DYOM, people have f*cking lives too, people get older and stop designing!

 

And n00b designers and pr0 designers and overused ideas, well everybody is allowed to make any project he wants

 

And also, Senior Designers are f*cking selfish, insulting and lecturing every newcomer, seriously, you wasted your time writing all that senseless sh*t, Rytuklis!

First of all, nobody told you any of those things. Stop coming up with excuses for your childish behavior.

Second of all, if you don't have time for a project, then don't start it. Simply design a chapter, and then, when you have something to show, create a topic.

 

You see, the problem is, that 6 respected, senior designers have agreed to my opinion so far. Would they agree to senseless sh*t? I doubt it. At first it was a joke, but now I very well see that you indeed are a just a kid. As I said, there is nothing wrong with being a ten year old, but acting like one is not tolerated in this community. You said you'd leave. Why are you still here? What happened? Did your weekly reserve of attention deplete? It's not our place to give you attention, that's your parent's job.

 

Just leave already and come back when you have grown some hair on your balls. That means puberty will start, and puberty mostly brings maturity as well.

[dyomek]

 

Just leave already and come back when you have grown some hair on your balls. That means puberty will start, and puberty mostly brings maturity as well.

 

Omg 18 year old logic

[General Scrotum]

Look, i'm really friendly in my normal life, but when i see people flaming me for posting something, then i can get angry, you know?!

 

And Rytuklis, you're acting kinda unfair. 'stupidiest sh*t possible' it's an act of selfdefense, Mr. Genius boy! And you all started the sh*tposting, when i commented, where someone calls a 11 year old "fa**ot" and everybody starts with "OMG UR A KID, JUST LEAV DYUM, U FAG" "U R A CUTE BABEH" "U R NOT WANTD HERE, KID" "GO KIL URSELF, FAG, WORLD WIL BE BETR, KID", now, isn't that flaming and sh*tposting?

 

Oh, and cancelling projects over and over, is that i don't have time to make them, jesus f*cking christ!!!

 

And that Senior Designers are quitting DYOM, people have f*cking lives too, people get older and stop designing!

 

And n00b designers and pr0 designers and overused ideas, well everybody is allowed to make any project he wants

 

And also, Senior Designers are f*cking selfish, insulting and lecturing every newcomer, seriously, you wasted your time writing all that senseless sh*t, Rytuklis!

 

Scary.

You don't want to go there.

If you know you don't have time - don't bother to start a project.

Maybe you're right.

Maybe you're right.

So - Dutchy3010, PatrickW, SatournFan, Doublepulse, Target13, AnDRej98, The Odyssey, LnDPro, Pledge of Chaos (myself), AznKei, GalacticXp1, Rytuklis, THBP, Jimmy_Leppard etc. are all annoying f*ckers oppressing you? (Pardon me for the expression - all people listed).

Edited January 5, 2016 by Pledge of Chaos

[Rytuklis]

 

 

Just leave already and come back when you have grown some hair on your balls. That means puberty will start, and puberty mostly brings maturity as well.

 

Omg 18 year old logic

 

It's called sane reasoning. When you'll grow up, maybe you'll understand. Either way, it's better than seeking attention by announcing fake leaves. We welcome everyone, but you can't expect us to endorse you with such attitude. Rather than attacking me, why not actually take the tips I provided into consideration?

[Curtis]

seriously at this time, who doesn't want a better dyom community with people with better grammar and not some 10 year old kids.

[dyomek]

 

 

 

Just leave already and come back when you have grown some hair on your balls. That means puberty will start, and puberty mostly brings maturity as well.

 

Omg 18 year old logic

 

It's called sane reasoning. When you'll grow up, maybe you'll understand. Either way, it's better than seeking attention by announcing fake leaves. We welcome everyone, but you can't expect us to endorse you with such attitude. Rather than attacking me, why not actually take the tips I provided into consideration?

Yes, when I'll grow up, I will flame every 10-11 year old i'll see. Then, I'll be as stupid as you

[Curtis]

you already are stupider.

who the f*ck even cares about you anymore? get banned already and let's get this bullsh*t over with, you attention whore.

[dyomek]

you already are stupider.

who the f*ck even cares about you anymore? get banned already and let's get this bullsh*t over with, you attention whore.

Don't call nobody an attention whore if you are one -_-

[Curtis]

Am i the attention whore?

am i the kid hated by everyone who has no friends and is better off f*cking off? nobody likes you.

[Alan Eastwood]

Ain't you a gangster Dyomek? You supposed to be tough.

 

Gosh, you're like the live version of OG Loc.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Alan Eastwood

[Curtis]

Also Rytuklis is right, but i can't keep making missions non-stop. So i think i'm going to do it like this: one week of DYOMing and then one week of other gaming and so on.

[Huzaifa khan]

Ain't you a gangster Dyomek? You supposed to be tough.

 

Gosh, you're like the live version of OG Loc.

It means dyomek is the neigbourhood of vagos! We've to be careful now.

[theleoncj]

 

 

And also, Senior Designers are f*cking selfish, insulting and lecturing every newcomer

But I'm a good guy! :c

 

 

 

 

So - Dutchy3010, PatrickW, SatournFan, Doublepulse, Target13, AnDRej98, The Odyssey, leoncj, Pledge of Chaos (myself), AznKei, GalacticXp1, Rytuklis, THBP, Jimmy_Leppard etc. are all annoying f*ckers oppressing you? (Pardon me for the expression - all people listed).

 

 

LnDPro*

 

>..>

Edited January 5, 2016 by leoncj

[ghettospaghetti]

Well, I gotta' agree Rytuklis. Ya see, I'm a new-ish designer. I started designing in may of 2015. And I agree with a lot of what you said on this list, there are so many bad designers (Not saying anyone specific) in the DYOM site, it's just sad. I mean, what happened to English in the DYOM community? apparently is doesn't exist anymore. I feel as if I'm a minor in the DYOM community when it comes to English. I speak good English obviously, because I'm American. But I see all these designers (Again, not saying anyone specific) who can barely get out a single word of English, let alone an understandable sentence of English. I mean, if you suck so bad at English, at least try out some English classes! y'know?

And yeah, I'm tired of all the childish sh*t inhabiting the DYOM community. I will admit, I've made some childish missions. But they were just for fun, and they were just for sh*ts and giggles. Like 99.9% of the time, I make serious missions and MP's/SL's. I make maybe one troll mission here or there, but again, just for sh*ts and giggles. And extremely rarely too. And making original never-been-done-before plots, is definitely not my strongest bone in designing. Because most original plots, have already been done by past designers. I do think that my strongest bone in designing is, making creative/original/fun missions though. And whenever people give me actual reviews of my DYOM projects, and point out the pros and cons, it helps me to become a better designer. Because I try and improve on the mistakes. But then there's some people, who are just to childish (Not talking about anyone specific) to even take a review/constructive criticism. Remember, outright insulting your work is something, but giving out constructive criticism is another thing.

[Hdxt_Hardluck]

Well, I gotta' agree Rytuklis. Ya see, I'm a new-ish designer. I started designing in may of 2015. And I agree with a lot of what you said on this list, there are so many bad designers (Not saying anyone specific) in the DYOM site, it's just sad. I mean, what happened to English in the DYOM community? apparently is doesn't exist anymore. I feel as if I'm a minor in the DYOM community when it comes to English. I speak good English obviously, because I'm American. But I see all these designers (Again, not saying anyone specific) who can barely get out a single word of English, let alone an understandable sentence of English. I mean, if you suck so bad at English, at least try out some English classes! y'know?

And yeah, I'm tired of all the childish sh*t inhabiting the DYOM community. I will admit, I've made some childish missions. But they were just for fun, and they were just for sh*ts and giggles. Like 99.9% of the time, I make serious missions and MP's/SL's. I make maybe one troll mission here or there, but again, just for sh*ts and giggles. And extremely rarely too. And making original never-been-done-before plots, is definitely not my strongest bone in designing. Because most original plots, have already been done by past designers. I do think that my strongest bone in designing is, making creative/original/fun missions though. And whenever people give me actual reviews of my DYOM projects, and point out the pros and cons, it helps me to become a better designer. Because I try and improve on the mistakes. But then there's some people, who are just to childish (Not talking about anyone specific) to even take a review/constructive criticism. Remember, outright insulting your work is something, but giving out constructive criticism is another thing.

i'm speaking french and english a nice way i guess. i just done few mistakes while writing etc..., but i think my english better than french cuz i'm actually the best student in my class (english class) (no selfish) sometimes i get 15/20 to 18/20.

[ghettospaghetti]

Another thing: Don't give me criticism about my English/grammar, when yours is just laughable. (Not talking about You, BTW Rytuklis. Just talking about designers with horrific English)

[General Scrotum]

Let the children cry. We wont care.

 

 

 

I guess it's time for the ''No mission, no topic'' policy to return.

 

LnDPro*

 

>..>

 

 

Sorry, don't be angry...

[Rytuklis]

 

Well, I gotta' agree Rytuklis. Ya see, I'm a new-ish designer. I started designing in may of 2015. And I agree with a lot of what you said on this list, there are so many bad designers (Not saying anyone specific) in the DYOM site, it's just sad. I mean, what happened to English in the DYOM community? apparently is doesn't exist anymore. I feel as if I'm a minor in the DYOM community when it comes to English. I speak good English obviously, because I'm American. But I see all these designers (Again, not saying anyone specific) who can barely get out a single word of English, let alone an understandable sentence of English. I mean, if you suck so bad at English, at least try out some English classes! y'know?

And yeah, I'm tired of all the childish sh*t inhabiting the DYOM community. I will admit, I've made some childish missions. But they were just for fun, and they were just for sh*ts and giggles. Like 99.9% of the time, I make serious missions and MP's/SL's. I make maybe one troll mission here or there, but again, just for sh*ts and giggles. And extremely rarely too. And making original never-been-done-before plots, is definitely not my strongest bone in designing. Because most original plots, have already been done by past designers. I do think that my strongest bone in designing is, making creative/original/fun missions though. And whenever people give me actual reviews of my DYOM projects, and point out the pros and cons, it helps me to become a better designer. Because I try and improve on the mistakes. But then there's some people, who are just to childish (Not talking about anyone specific) to even take a review/constructive criticism. Remember, outright insulting your work is something, but giving out constructive criticism is another thing.

i'm speaking french and english a nice way i guess. i just done few mistakes while writing etc..., but i think my english better than french cuz i'm actually the best student in my class (english class) (no selfish) sometimes i get 15/20 to 18/20.

 

That's one terrible English teacher then. I could not even understand the description of your mission pack.